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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 21:35:09 GMT
This is Greta Thunberg's chart. Quite remarkable with the Sun at the Ascendant. Someone who makes a very strong impression on others without even trying. Sun and Moon widely conjunct - will and emotions are aligned. She is single-minded and knows what she wants and how to get it with less inner conflicts. Very driven and motivated. With respect to the environment asteroids - she has Poseiden and Varuna in prominent places - Poseiden conjunct Moon, Varuna opp Sun on DSC. and Oceana conjunct Venus! Prominent Varuna and Poseiden or Oceana seem to be common to environmental activists and events. In the Paris accord EVC, Varuna and Poseidon opposed each other on the AC/DC axis. Also Artemis conjunct Pluto in 11th trine Jupiter. Jupiter expands/strengthens the influence Pluto would exert in the public arena in a good way. Oddly, like Greta, I too have Venus conjunct Oceana (no they don't move together) in Scorpio and Varuna is on my MC. Nice to know we have these in common. I think Venus conjunct Oceana in Scorpio perhaps means dedication to or regard for oceans/earth. In Greta's chart, these are conjunct Mars, therefore, a spur to action. Again, as in Sun conjunct Moon, desire and action are aligned.
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Post by Ava on Oct 8, 2019 2:04:19 GMT
I kept hearing her name around but I'm out of the loop with mainstream & social media. So after your post I watched her "How dare you?" speech. Loved it. Most people apparently did not, and took issue with her "acting." Reading the comment section under that video was a sobering experience. How do you communicate when the planet is dying? Anyway, thank you for posting her chart with the asteroids & commentary, it's very interesting. Her Cap stellium is conjunct my sun, and I say things along these lines to my children, complaining that school system doesn't put a heavy enough emphasis on the need to save the planet. http://instagram.com/p/BqrNLgWhOPq
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 8, 2019 16:45:47 GMT
I don't have an issue with Greta or her message as such, but I found her speech to be a little transparent in all honesty. When it comes to environmental topics and the way they are portrayed in the media- for example, Greta's latest escapade, riots or protests in cities etc etc, I do think there is something we can all take from it. I do believe we shouldn't be as wasteful as we are in the west, I mean just look at how much food is wasted daily. I am very much in favour of preserving the green belts and reducing your carbon footprint as much as is feasible. However, I do think it's another thing that the media and certain people take and run with hysterically. I know Greta is asking for politicians to do something about climate change but I don't know what it is she wants anyone to do exactly.
My only question is with regards to how much humans are responsible. And I prefer to listen to climatologists and earth scientists on this, although I find that the predictions of the earth's climate keep changing. One minute we're heading towards an ice age, the next we're convinced we'll see the desertification of Wales, or something.
As an ordinary member of the public, I can only do what I can but I find the celebrities and spokespeople of today tiresome, hypocritical and demanding. Unrealistic to boot.
Astrologically, she has a similar chart to someone I used to know who has a massive stellium in Capricorn spanning across their 1st and 2nd house, along with Venus in Scorpio at the same degree I think. They are very much into socialism and attended a few political rallies or whatever they were when I knew them. They quite liked dictating their views and got awfully enraged when I didn't agree with them, which upset me a bit because they became a little personal in their exchanges with me. They liked making me feel like a baddie and it got a bit awkward at times, hence why we no longer speak. I think a lot of Capricorn can manifest as a certain type of bossiness when the native is younger. I couldn't tell them anything without them dishing out their disapproval. A lot of "you should, you should". But anyway. I think it is reflective of that Saturnian discipline and structuring which isn't a bad thing. She is still young and seems to be exercising this concentrated energy quite openly and as I said, there's something we can all take from environmental speeches but not everything. Her Scorpio 9th house is very apparent!!
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Post by Ava on Oct 8, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
I know Greta is asking for politicians to do something about climate change but I don't know what it is she wants anyone to do exactly. She mentions technicalities but I didn't keep track of them and don't consider them essential; she argues that it's on the Powers That Be to be alert to the planetary crisis and take measures to resolve it. I think most governments are so largely influenced by corporations and industry that asking the government to curtail industry is sort of like asking it to commit suicide. It won't. Climate strikes don't really appeal to me, because everyone has to drive to get there. I have a lot of thoughts about saving the environment but I think most of them would be even more radical and less popular than Greta's, so I don't really talk about it, I just have tended in these directions... Like, being a stay-at-home mother was partly an ecological decision. I wanted to use cloth diapers, make food from scratch, garden, go off grid...it was a total experience that I'd envisioned, and a lot of my friends have lived that lower carbon footprint life. If we think of the Native Americans.....you know, it was *a lot* of hard work and sacrifice to keep this land pure for so long. Living in teepees through the winter, hauling water and so on. Other civilizations progressed to make it easier to survive but created "ruins" in the process. There weren't many ruins on this land, and that was very deliberate and a main focal point of their whole lives: preservation. It's not like I can preach anything now, we are not off grid, not zero-waste. edit Pls don't quote
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 23:06:30 GMT
Ava , very nice to hear of your efforts to live simply and less wastefully. It takes courage to do so and resist pressure to achieve, consume, look good and adopt status symbols. I am struggling at the moment against the pressure to change my old car. I reckon using my old small car instead of buying a new one, even if a hybrid or an electric one, is more ecological particularly as I don’t use it much. FruityLlama , you may have heard of the degrowth and post-growth movements. These are based on ecological economics, anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist ideas. A radical change is needed to keep the temperatures from rising by 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels (IPCC calculations). www.degrowth.info/en/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-growth
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Post by Ava on Oct 9, 2019 3:41:05 GMT
Thank you @astrokeen. And I can relate to those struggles...being torn between using something to its maximum lifespan, getting the most use out of it, or simply going for the newer object sooner. It's hard weighing all variables or sometimes even getting hold of the necessary information.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 9:44:21 GMT
Thank you @astrokeen . And I can relate to those struggles...being torn between using something to its maximum lifespan, getting the most use out of it, or simply going for the newer object sooner. It's hard weighing all variables or sometimes even getting hold of the necessary information. Exactly! Just read this today about how destructive a change over to electric cars will be. The only way forward is to use fewer cars: "This year, a group of leading British scientists submitted a letter to the U.K. Committee on Climate Change outlining their concerns about the ecological impact of electric cars. They agree, of course, that we need to end the sale and use of combustion engines. But they pointed out that unless consumption habits change, replacing the world’s projected fleet of 2 billion vehicles is going to require an explosive increase in mining: Global annual extraction of neodymium and dysprosium will go up by another 70 per cent, annual extraction of copper will need to more than double, and cobalt will need to increase by a factor of almost four—all for the entire period from now to 2050." fp-reg.onecount.net/onecount/redirects/index.php?action=get-tokens&js=1&sid=&return=https%3A%2F%2Fforeignpolicy.com%2F2019%2F09%2F06%2Fthe-path-to-clean-energy-will-be-very-dirty-climate-change-renewables%2F&sid=bsce4vg2p49eqok746r277eub4
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Post by Ava on Oct 9, 2019 14:56:20 GMT
I agree @astrokeen -- fewer cars, back to basics (bicycles, mass transits, walking more).
That's pretty upsetting about the electric cars. I haven't researched them, just scratched my head wondering how they are more environmentally sound than gas/diesel vehicles, when so much electricity is still being generated by burning fossil fuels.
A lot of it goes back to how we perceive ourselves...hopefully the transit of Chiron in Pisces helped people see that we are all connected, so status symbols don't really accomplish all that much. I think awareness of water pollution increased during Chiron in Pisces. Maybe Chiron in Aries will bring fire-healing, like more advanced waste incineration, trash-to-steam plants, and other energy solutions. Even using one's own (Aries/self) energy to accomplish things instead of relying on electricity and fuel somehow, that could be revolutionary on the mass scale.
As bad as things are, it's interesting to see how humanity pulls together to try and clean up after itself and evolve.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 8:53:16 GMT
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 12, 2019 13:38:25 GMT
Ava That's what I mean, about doing what you can but I don't think it's right that people should be chastised for having higher carbon footprints. Not everyone has the ability to choose to work closer to home for example, or have the privilege of having a garden. I am trying to grow some veggies myself as a hobby but a busy work life means I also have to buy veg as they come and go out of season and our weather here isn't fantastic for that sort of thing. If I had more time at home, and a proper garden I would be able to put more energy into things like that but I can't at the moment. I can only grow potted stuff as well, but they're still shooting apart from the chillis. I agree on the plastics issue though. I look at swedes that are wrapped in cellophane and I just think...WHY? I suppose it's for hygiene too though, although if you're boiling them you'll get rid of any germs won't you. I sometimes look at markets which have all the veg and fruit out in the open and think...someone could have coughed or sneezed all over that. And in the summer you see flies sitting on them so I can see it both ways. If the plastic could be recycled then its not so bad..but... how many emissions are produced in order to make the material re-usable? How many emissions are produced when making buses, bicylces and boats as alternative transport means? I sometimes think you can never win with this really. Twice a week I have to drive 45mins to another hospital in the Trust, but I car share with my friend who also works there. Once a month in the near future I will start taking over the outreach clinics which is a bit annoying for me, but someone has to go there because it's more convenient for older people who need help but can't come into the main towns. That means more driving though. I use a laptop, TV, a phone all of which I'm sure add to my footprint but at the end of the day I am on a low starters salary, I'm working full time and I'm paying rent, bills etc. Sometimes I have to just resort to the easier options which often includes driving to the shops etc. I have a laptop because I needed it for my studies, a phone for obvious reasons and a TV just because I want one. My mother, before becoming an endoscopy nurse was a community nurse for 20+ years and had to drive all over the place to get to people who were in need of care. She was part time so she did it 3 times a week, but there were colleagues who did full time of course. If we are concerned about C02 then why don't we concentrate on conserving the green belts, planting trees, recycling and all that? I don't think fewer cars are a realistic solution. We have an ageing population in this country who rely on people being able to get to them quickly whether it be by car, ambulance, helicopters etc. Not sure if this is off point slightly, but my point is that, like the post-growth movement that @astrokeen cited (thank you), we should look at what does work. More so, we cannot start telling other people how to live their lives or talk about the climate without having any practical solutions. In 1975, the media presented us with the notion that the earth was actually cooling due to the amount of C02 in the atmosphere. The writer made clearly a mistake about the effects this would have- it was written by Peter Gwynne by the way, a science writer. The earth may well have been cooler, but that has obviously changed and it will do again. The hysteria that accompanies every change though won't. The indoctrination of young earth scientists/students/whoever won't either and do you know why? Because fear sells!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
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Post by Ava on Oct 12, 2019 16:58:43 GMT
I agree FruityLlama - "I sometimes think you can never win with this really." Not the way things are, anyway. We're all swept up in broken systems. Hope nothing I said came across as chastising. I said: "I've chosen the ones I'm most comfortable with (like working right across the street, rather than driving far)...others choose what they are comfortable with..." ...as a nod to the fact that I think most aware people are doing certain things to protect the environment, if only donating to environmental causes...I think most people try. The whole recycling program wouldn't exist except most people are on board with it.
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 15, 2019 17:26:39 GMT
No I didn't mean you were chastising Ava, sorry I was generalising when I said that. I was thinking of other things I've seen and heard relating to this topic.
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Post by Ava on Jun 24, 2020 2:19:38 GMT
13982 Thunberg
Mine's @ 13 Sag, tightly conjunct Neptune
Hers @ 4 Pisces in that huge first house
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