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Post by midnight on Jul 30, 2019 21:57:02 GMT
Hi all. Does anyone have any experience or thoughts about this aspect? Relationship is romantic and goes on for a long time, but it's kinda on/off. A lot of tension, arguments (Mars/Pluto DW, Mercuries square), but they just can't keep apart. What stood out is this NN/Chiron as I don't recall seeing this aspect before. Both Chirons are quite active in this synasty actually (Chiron/Luminaries stressful aspect DW). Attachments:
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Post by midnight on Jul 31, 2019 11:44:48 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jul 31, 2019 12:35:22 GMT
haha, that was the best and smartest answer anyone could give Ava : Only abuse indicates and abusive father. midnight sorry I have absolutely no clue about Chiron-NN-conjunction in synastry. Never really come across that (though P`s Draco Chiron conjuncts my tropical NN, but no clue about that either) |
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Post by lumina on Jul 31, 2019 12:43:32 GMT
And on making the mistake to read the whole thread, I just felt how HAPPY I am that we are out of there and can do some levelheaded down to the ground real astrology here, without getting trapped in that narcisstic astro-drama-circus over there.
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Post by Ava on Jul 31, 2019 13:01:28 GMT
midnight - really curious about that thread but LL is blocked at my house for some reason. Was I on there speaking nonsense?  I was looking at this synastry last night and my mind trailed off wondering how much it matters that blue's sun is conjunct red's SN, but widely. And then of course, red's new moon on blue's NN. So....definitely it's a kind of luminary-node DW situation, but maybe it's felt more like a vague sense of rightness and belonging, rather than a sure sense (that might be attained with tighter orbs???) I love the matching Venus-Jupiter conjunctions, and they are sextile...so, I guess the composite Venus-Jupiter is conjunct blue's ASC? Conjunct the composite moon? If a relationship's composite moon-Venus-Jupiter were on my ASC, I think I'd have a hard time pulling away, too. Whatever happens, it's like you KNOW there is a wealth of good feeling there to tap into. Red's sun is not far from that composite stellium, I don't think? But yeah, Mars square Pluto DW is no joke.....And blue has a difficult chart, with a Scorpio sun-Mercury opp Chiron, squaring the nodes. Blue also has Uranus in the 4th house, a difficult natal placement when it comes to feeling at home, establishing a home life; there are inconsistencies and upsets. Blue's Uranus trine red's Pisces Saturn might be one of the longevity anchors here...especially if blue has an Aqua DSC (I can't tell)...if Uranus rules blue's DSC, then their natal Uranus becomes a key relationship planet. Furthermore, red supplies late Cancer planets to form grand trines with blue's Uranus, AND blue's Uranus sits on red's SN. It does look magnetic and electric, also captivating, with blue's moon-Saturn opposed by red's Pisces Saturn. I just prefer to see some nice aspects between the luminaries in any synastry. I think the nodes can somewhat take the place of luminaries, as the nodes represent the moon's pathway and the eclipse cycle...red's Taurus NN trine blue's moon could offer some earthy warmth. But it's not enough to satisfy the soul craving. One might think, with enough time and effort, the craving will be satiated, but I don't know....it just looks like there is something left to be desired here. ... Not sure what to say about Chiron-node aspects. I suppose it's a case where a certain pain dynamic or pain/healing cycle becomes the way forward in shaping one's destiny. I have the square with my husband and son, both of whom are Aqua Chiron, squaring my (and my husband's) Scorpio NNs. I think all Aqua placements are a bit "lone wolf," so in this case, Scorpio's integration attempts can prove futile, and even being asked to conform to Scorpio's wishes might be grating to Aqua Chiron. In this case where blue's Taurus Chiron is conjunct red's NN, it seems there could be real problems in establishing material comfort that satisfies both partners. But I'm not sure, since Chiron can also represent healing. Taurus Chiron can be very, very soothing, and blue has this on the MC, as a prominent feature. That falls in red's 4th house....seems like red might not be able to get enough of that energy and may ask blue to just stay home and unload it all on red, rather than giving this away to everyone. ~ wild guesses ~ I have tried chart reading many times just to get practice and see if I'm on the mark at all...but I still feel like I don't know what I'm doing. So please let me know if any of this seems accurate. Hope others have insights to offer. 
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Post by midnight on Jul 31, 2019 22:26:24 GMT
haha, that was the best and smartest answer anyone could give Ava : Only abuse indicates and abusive father. Haha yeah, that was a great answer. I don't think the topic starter got it. Pity Ava can't read the thread as it's a great reminder how toxic the atmosphere in there is. |
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Post by midnight on Jul 31, 2019 22:55:21 GMT
But yeah, Mars square Pluto DW is no joke.....And blue has a difficult chart, with a Scorpio sun-Mercury opp Chiron, squaring the nodes. Blue also has Uranus in the 4th house, a difficult natal placement when it comes to feeling at home, establishing a home life; Funny you mentioned these aspects, since me and my husband also have Mars/Pluto DW (sextile(1) and square(7)). I myself have it natally. I also have Uranus in 4th and my Moon is (conj IC) opposite Chiron. A bit similar theme in this case. You are right about this aspect. I'll be honest, I don't know these people well. I commented in one FB group that I believe in astrology, so this woman wrote me in a private message. She seemed very disressed and hearbroken. Their relationship is on the rocks and it has been on/off for years. I told her about many positive aspects that they have, like Venus/Moon DW, Venus/Jupiter DW, Venus/Venus, but also mentioned not so pleasant ones like that Moon opposite Saturn and square Mercuries. I think, her Scorpio Mercury may be too harsh for the Leo Stellium guy. It squares his Moon and Mercury. Good thing, those Venus aspects are there to smooth things out. I need to reasearch that Chiron more. I also have an active Chiron synastry with someone, including Chiron/Moon DW (possible DW since I don't know their TIB) and it's not cute at all. She is not sure about the TOB's. She literally told me "he was born in the late afternoon" and "I was born some time after midnight but not too long after". Oh and yeah, those Nodes/Sun DW seem karmic. That topic about "love is pain" is probably about these people  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 1, 2019 2:19:15 GMT
I think, her Scorpio Mercury may be too harsh for the Leo Stellium guy. It squares his Moon and Mercury. Good thing, those Venus aspects are there to smooth things out. Well, conversely, he could be unintentionally triggering her own mercury-related insecurities. If I'm reading this right, I know someone who was born a few days before blue, and they have a Mercury-Chiron opposition squaring the nodes. They also have mercury retrograde, like miss Blue. Looks like she has that mercury-chiron opposition too, and with mercury so close to the Sun, it's hard to separate the "mind" from oneself. Mercury retrograde is quite gun-shy, but Scorpio mercury can be harsh when triggered. Anything in contact with Chiron is a sore spot... I'm not a fan of the DW mars-pluto squares - especially since one has Mars-Jupiter and the other Mars-Neptune natally. It seems like the Mars-Neptune person will repeatedly give in to the other and be heartbroken at the end when there's no real compromise happening. However, it could also be that the Mars-Neptune person is sneaky and drives the Mars-Jupiter person batty. I'd have to see the composite to see how this DW plays out in their relationship. Additionally, Blue has Venus-Saturn (even though they have Venus-Jupiter, Saturn seems to squash that, IME). The outer planet seems to have more influence, in a double aspect. The reason I bring this up is, Venus-Saturn can also have self-esteem issues. So you have one person with a lot of insecurities and another that can't seem to fathom why they make everything so complicated. :ETA: Of course, there's a lot of good aspects too, this isn't a comprehensive analysis. Just focusing on the issues, since the rest were covered already.. |
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Post by Ava on Aug 17, 2019 15:28:05 GMT
I was at the library yesterday and decided to use the public computer to check out this thread. I wasn't expecting my own ending there. After seeming patient through most of it, I just threw up my hands and said something like, "Ami doesn't even know how to read natal charts!! How does she even charge money for readings?" LOL, I remember that I had what I felt were good reasons for saying that, and I wouldn't have said that unless I felt that I could back the statement up with hard evidence. But I suppose I sounded crazy to anyone who didn't see what I had just seen. I think she had just asked a really, really basic question, like "What's a quincunx?" or something. But Randall shut me down before I could post links. So happy to be out of there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 0:29:36 GMT
I have my chiron on someone’s north node. Chiron to me is always about unburdening. So helping me inburdening makes this person feels like they’re achieving their north node purpose
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Post by anela on Aug 20, 2019 0:36:48 GMT
I don't think it helps in synastry. I like the people whose Suns and Mercuries are conjunct my Chiron (and therefore my own Sun), but I think it hurts in ways. Not maliciously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 2:08:09 GMT
Well Chiron is pretty much hidden pain. Whoever brings it out to the surface will cause some level of hurt but also you have to deal with it yourself before you can heal anyway. When transit chiron is on your personal planets, you’re also unburdening the stuff you hide, the facades you carry, the little lies you tell yourself. It’s not hard hitting like Saturn or Pluto because chiron doesn’t mean to judge, it’s meant to heal.
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Wonder if the topic was created during the Mercury Rx haha 
