Underneath it all..draconic moon

[Ava]

Would love to know what others are thinking about the role/function of the draconic moon in general, and your own placement in particular...if you've thought about it.

Some say the draconic chart is our pure, unmolded self... it's who we were, before we were subjected to our external environment and trained to adapt within it.

If that's at least somewhat accurate...does the draconic moon represent our native internal environment? Inborn emotional predispositions?

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Whenever I feel a bit unhinged, I am inclined to remember my draconic Cancer moon (no offense to Cancer moons). Yet I still feel like I don't have a solid grasp on how it really works...how it might appear to others. Is it a palpable undercurrent? Like everyone notices my Cancer moon traits?

A little bit off topic...

My draco moon is conjunct tropical Saturn and is probably attuned to that whole storehouse of fear that Saturn is working off of (Saturn energy...we have to be aware of the dangers, to find lasting solutions, so we can extend whatever we want to extend...) My draco moon seems to sense all the threats to longevity and maybe that creates attachment issues, like "You're basically already gone, I see the trajectory." Non-attachment might be considered a spiritual advantage when it's done right, but this is something else, less focused.

Anyway....

Thoughts on your draconic moon?

[anela]

Mine is in Virgo, still conjunct Venus. I'm not sure what to think about it.

[FruityLlama]

I do sometimes struggle with defining the draconic chart, I must admit..probably because I have heard that it's also the past-life self and the past LIFE and I'm not experienced enough to translate that chart into what I may or may not have been doing in a past life. However, your definition I think covers even that and is more comprehensive:- "it's who we were, before we were subjected to our external environment and trained to adapt within it...does the draconic moon represent our native internal environment? Inborn emotional predispositions?"

My draconic moon is at the end of Virgo @ 29* conjuncting my early dr. Libra Sun. I'm trying to think of how I could have been molded from a late Virgo moon to an early Taurus moon in this lifetime. I'm sloppy with details because I'm painfully aware of my slow-ness at doing things like a typical Taurus moon, so I have tried throughout my life to hurry up with things, but making a total mess of it because I failed to look at all the details. Perhaps I am not being true to myself in this sense, but if I read other interpretations of my chart, it seems that my lessons in this life are actually to be more broad in my approach, look at the bigger picture and not be so practical (one interp I read on Scorpio NN actually).

I am a neat freak and germaphobe at heart, but I've learnt throughout life that in cases like cleaning, I needn't be so uptight- the world isn't going to end if I don't tidy this up right now. I was born to Venusian/Virgoan people also, so I don't know if the draconic moon, along with other stuff might represent our astro-genes in some way?
Mum: Libra sun, Venus conj. Virgo ASC, Dad: Sun conj. Venus, Virgo Mars conj. Uranus+Pluto. Just realised Dad's natal Mars is one degree away from my dr. Moon!

My partner is quite the opposite of a neat-freak and my tolerance to mess really is tested living with him and he again, is quite Virgo influenced (Mercury, Venus and Mars...CR being Venus too!). Whenever I am chuntering about this, I am also reminded of my draconic moon!! And of course no offence to Virgo moons, plus I know there is more to this placement generally than your bog-standard "cleanliness and detail oriented" interpretations of it (you must get so sick of it Virgo Moons, I'm so sorry!) but these are incidences where I think back to my draconic chart and how the heck it resonates. Virgo seems to be an important sign in this life that helps me develop into the Taurus I know I was born to be pahaha (oh dear god shut me up!)


Going back to my Virgo/Venusian parents and upbringing, and I suppose like all children we internalise our immediate lessons or skills from our caregivers and then develop them or incorporate them into the personality we develop as we grow up. So like you said really. I couldn't tell you how I got from 29*virgo to 4* Taurus though, I suppose I must have decided comfort was more important than efficiency but I know that's not always true! PLus, I'm not actually sure what to make of it being at such a late degree to be honest. Maybe emotionally, I'm going through all the earth signs first- the next life will have me be a Cap moon!

On a side note, I love that my dr. CR is Jupiter at 8* Taurus though, conjunct my natal Sun exact... that is spooky! I'm so vibrant and happy-go-lucky underneath it all haha!! *jokes*

It's interesting that for both of us Ava our draconic and tropical moons are a trine sign from our natal moons!

[FruityLlama]

Just checked my parents' draconic charts and my Dad has 4 planets in Libra haha it's insane...!
His dr.Moon is either late Taurus or early Gemini. His natal one is in Cancer somewhere.

Mum's dr. Moon is at 1* Scorpio. Her natal moon is at 29* Scorpio already. Her life has been intense and she herself has said sometimes there has been a karmic feel to things and she isn't even 100% into all this. She said it felt as though life pushed her into the career she has for instance. I can't help but feel the difference between her early Scorpio moon and late natal one is karmic in way..like life really did push her to the other end of the Scorpio scale. Perhaps there were things she has to do before embarking on her Sag journey next time..

Both parents had problems relating to their parents also by the way.

[Ava]

Thanks for all your thoughts FruityLlama I wouldn't quite know how to guess about the Virgo to Taurus moon process either...if Virgo is "nature" and Taurus is "nurture"....I do think it's nice they are in complementary signs.

In my case, Cancer moon to Pisces moon, I've assumed that I was a needy child, I remember thinking everything was a disaster all the time around me (I was VERY accident prone with my pr moon in Aries in my early life...concussions, stitches, a dog attacked me...) and I remember being really high maintenance and everyone resenting me and telling me to essentially chill out.

And that's how I got the Pisces moon. 

Edit - there is probably a lot more to it that I don't understand

"I can't help but feel the difference between her early Scorpio moon and late natal one is karmic in way..like life really did push her to the other end of the Scorpio scale. Perhaps there were things she has to do before embarking on her Sag journey next time.."

Wow, interesting way of thinking!

"I am a neat freak and germaphobe at heart, but I've learnt throughout life that in cases like cleaning, I needn't be so uptight- the world isn't going to end if I don't tidy this up right now."

That is actually cool, that you are a draco Virgo moon and fitting that stereotype.

" I don't know if the draconic moon, along with other stuff might represent our astro-genes in some way?"

Well I think the whole draconic chart is intriguing that way. In my case, I have no idea where the late Cancer moon would come from, though.

Might come back with more thoughts if they happen to come to me.

[lumina]

how funny that the three of us have trining Moon-signs in Draco-tropical.

I am adding the air element. Tropical Moon in Aqua, Draco Moon in Gemini (conjunct my tropical DESC exact)

now we only need a Fire-pairing. lol

[12YearsABlob]

^ Ha. Diversifying the sample here... No fire, but now we have squared moon signs. Only by sign, not degree.
Draco Taurus moon square natal Chiron, trine Venus, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, NN. Of course, in draco, the chart aspects don't change so it still squares dr Pluto.

I would definitely *like* to be a Taurus moon. In reality though, I fluctuate way too much to be that way. Although I am cozy like one, if I say so myself, lol. And "gimme food" will be carved on my gravestone. (Maybe that's just Moon-Asc).

Ava , I can see your Moon-Saturn theme for sure..! In the sign of Cancer, that would be about family issues (as if moon & Saturn weren't already about family & security issues). But I think in Cancer, that is handled differently than, say, an Aries moon conjunct Saturn. The family unit and our position in it is already a Cancer theme, so perhaps there's a natural acceptance of the struggle. Moon-Saturn people go one step further and expect struggle, so they're never surprised when hardship hits. That's where the famous stoicism comes from, I guess... 

[anela]

I'm not a neat freak. Fruity, your d. Moon is conjunct mine. I can't remember the exact number.

I used to wonder if I was a Taurus Moon, because mine is at 0, and the first time my chart was done (from a book) it came up as Taurus. I tend to love Taurus Moons, and can relate to some of the things about them, but my progressed Sun was also in that sign for a good portion of my life.

[Ava]

Jul 27, 2019 1:33:06 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

 And "gimme food" will be carved on my gravestone. (Maybe that's just Moon-Asc).

LOL

For the longest time I've said I wanted "She just wouldn't stop eating french fries" engraved on my tombstone. Draco Taurus sun.



I guess, depending on orbs, I may also have draco moon square natal Chiron. 

Thanks for your thoughts on my moon-Saturn. Compared to a lot of people less fortunate than myself, I have no room to complain about anything. 

Edit, just rambling about childhood

[12YearsABlob]

<3 That's rough, Ava. I hope the "expect hardship" wasn't insensitive - I just meant they already *know* life sucks and are mentally prepared for that.

[12YearsABlob]

Jul 27, 2019 11:07:53 GMT Ava said:

For the longest time I've said I wanted "She just wouldn't stop eating french fries" engraved on my tombstone. Draco Taurus sun.

Haha! Draco Taurus high-five. Or lazy hug.

[lumina]

on my own Draco Moon in Gemini, well I am certainly not flighty or whatever people would attribute to Gemini, however from my childhood on I have been a story-teller, and story-listener, I would in kindergarten tell the craziest stories, and people would never know if they were real or made up. WEll they WERE real (they were a potential reality, granted, most of the times they were not real in THIS dimension, but grown ups are just soooooo limited in their linear thinking. LOL).

My mom also told stories about me as a 3-4 year old getting fits of rage and screaming and kicking the ground when she took me shopping and after I calmed down (she basically let me rage) and she asked me what the reason was I apparently said: "I am so dumb. You can read everything and I can read nothing." I still hate it if people talk in a foreign language and I do not understand what they are saying.

And of course I am constantly analyzing relationships, the way people relate to each other, how I relate to the world and the world to me (Draco Moon in Gemini on my tropical DESC).

Also my parents would tell me a lot of stories when I was little, as a ritual. And my Dad never read stories to me, he just asked me to name three things and would make up a story from these. Unfortunately I never got to hear any story twice because he always forgot until the day after.
My mom`s part was mostly singing me songs, the usual children songs and also this one here: There once where two royal children
1. There once where two royal children
Whose love was like none ever seen
But they couldn't come together
There was two much water between.

2. She said: "My love could you handle
To swim over here to my side
I'm going to put on a candle
So you can follow its light."

3. That overheard a false norne
Who, whilst listening, pretended to sleep
And than she put out the candle
The young man drowned so deep.

4. It was on a Sunday morning
All hearts were filled with joy
All but that of the princess
Who missed her beloved boy

5. "Oh mother, my dearest mother
My head is heavy with pain
I'll go for a walk to the lake
My poor hearts peace to gain."

6. The mother went to the church
The daughter walked on straight
Until she found the fisher
At the shoreline of the lake.

7. "Oh listen my good fisher
If it's great wealth that you seek
Bring me my lovely prince
From the waters so dark and deep."

8. So he threw his net in the water
Deep down 'til he reached the ground
And kept on fishing until
The Kings dead son was found.

9. It took him a very long time
Until he found the dead
"Now look, you lovely maiden
There you have your royal lad."

10.She kissed his pale dead mouth
And embraced him so tenderly
"Oh, if only you could speak
My young heart would be free."

11. She leaped into the lake
To leave the world of men
"Farewell my father and mother
For we'll never meet again."

12. The bells of the church were ringing
And many tears were shed
There lay two royal children
And both of them were dead.
lyricstranslate.com


Well my Mom is a Scorpio.
Of course she wouldn`t sing all the dreadful stanzas to me, I think usually the first 2 stanzas.

It is a bit creepy though as her own brother drowned when he was 2 and she was 4. Anyway, that ballad definitely was imprinted in my brain, I am still find myself it humming or singing from time to time. (Draco Moon opposing tropical Neptune and conjunct tropical Varuna; I also nearly drowned myself; when I was about 2 years old or so I jumped into a swimming pool, so Ava , in a way it was sort of very ironical when P was calling over to me: "Don`t jump". lol Might have been a long time ago, but I DID jump once, though there was no water beneath the wall last week. lol Well when I was a kid, I would also have a series of dreams, having me jump down from high places, usually roofs, of course with the fear of getting hurt or end up dead, but just been a recurring theme, as was being in a house on fire when I was even younger. Very weird dream life as a kid and teenager.)


But anyway even though they were not artists, there was this intellectual-creative-fantasy-inspiring vibe.

And also as a kid I was obsessed with the idea of twins, very certain I was having a twin(brother) and that my parents were just hiding him from me, and when I was 5 or so, I started dreaming of seeking him (Usually seeking him in towers. lol)

Maybe that is the Draco Moon in gemini. It is also conjunct my SN of course (3 degree orb).

[Ava]

Jul 27, 2019 11:46:34 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

<3 That's rough, Ava . I hope the "expect hardship" wasn't insensitive - I just meant they already *know* life sucks and are mentally prepared for that.

I think I do expect hardship and that wasn't insensitive. (But thanks for the <3 )

I'm prone to catastrophic thinking. People have been bewildered by this. It can be about anything, really. In relationships, I would be quick to assume it's over, they never cared, they were just humoring me...so I would be quick to bolt. I've heard from several guys, something along the lines of "What happened to you, to make you this way?" (Transiting Venus is conjunct my draco moon and Saturn now, and I'm definitely down in the quagmire about certain relationship issues, as you know. One thing goes amiss and it's like the whole Jenga tower falls.) Then, just in the everyday sense, if my son is fifteen minutes late coming home from work, I'm pacing the window carrying my phone, about to call the police and report a missing person. 

That kinda thing.

lumina , I love your post above, thank you! 

But what a crazy song. Why are kids' songs often so dark? 

So, everyone on this thread has natal luminary-node aspects of some sort, right?

Interesting.......

[anela]

Jul 27, 2019 17:45:04 GMT Ava said:

Jul 27, 2019 11:46:34 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

<3 That's rough, Ava . I hope the "expect hardship" wasn't insensitive - I just meant they already *know* life sucks and are mentally prepared for that.

I think I do expect hardship and that wasn't insensitive. (But thanks for the <3 )

I'm prone to catastrophic thinking. People have been bewildered by this. It can be about anything, really. In relationships, I would be quick to assume it's over, they never cared, they were just humoring me...so I would be quick to bolt. I've heard from several guys, something along the lines of "What happened to you, to make you this way?" (Transiting Venus is conjunct my draco moon and Saturn now, and I'm definitely down in the quagmire about certain relationship issues, as you know. One thing goes amiss and it's like the whole Jenga tower falls.) Then, just in the everyday sense, if my son is fifteen minutes late coming home from work, I'm pacing the window carrying my remote control phone, about to call the police and report a missing person. 

That kinda thing.

lumina , I love your post above, thank you! 

But what a crazy song. Why are kids' songs often so dark? 

So, everyone on this thread has natal luminary-node aspects of some sort, right?

Interesting.......

I do the same thing. I didn't hear from dad all day yesterday. Tried to call him several times, late in the day/early evening, and only got his voicemail. Same for his work phone, which he uses to scan things, and occasionally call. Nothing. I flipped out when he finally called me back, close to 8pm.

Someone told me recently, that brains are funny things, that I don't seem to realize how fortunate I am. Weird that they would think that, because every so often, I try to point out that I do recognize how fortunate I am *in ways* - but I'm alone a lot, and I've dealt with a lot, and that factors into my brain not cooperating. It's only here and there that I actually feel fortunate, when I manage to fully relax. I'm not unaware of the fact that I'm taken care of (right now), but my life has sucked regularly. 

I have Moon and Venus conjunct the South Node, and Mars square, so yep. Luminary-nodal aspects. 

[Electrode]

My draconic moon is in Capricorn. Not sure how to apply it.

In my young childhood my dad always said I was super talkative, would talk to everyone, always have a smile on my face, be happy all of the time. Apparently, I just wouldn't shut up lol; my mom would tell me stories of when girls would come over to visit or talk to her, I would grab their arms and kiss them up and down like on Tom & Jerry when Tom sees a girl cat he likes (I was like really young, five years old, maybe a little younger/older). If I didn't get what I want I would throw massive fits, screaming, throwing myself on the ground. My dad makes it seem like I became the devil if I didn't get my way lmao. 

Now I am none of those things. The more I think about it I am not sure as to whether it is just me or if I have become like this because of my fucked up childhood.

[12YearsABlob]

I wanna meet five-year-old you.

[anela]

Jul 28, 2019 2:31:27 GMT Electrode said:

My draconic moon is in Capricorn. Not sure how to apply it.

In my young childhood my dad always said I was super talkative, would talk to everyone, always have a smile on my face, be happy all of the time. Apparently, I just wouldn't shut up lol; my mom would tell me stories of when girls would come over to visit or talk to her, I would grab their arms and kiss them up and down like on Tom & Jerry when Tom sees a girl cat he likes (I was like really young, five years old, maybe a little younger/older). If I didn't get what I want I would throw massive fits, screaming, throwing myself on the ground. My dad makes it seem like I became the devil if I didn't get my way lmao. 

Now I am none of those things. The more I think about it I am not sure as to whether it is just me or if I have become like this because of my fucked up childhood.

I was talking to my dad tonight, on the way home from the bookstore, wishing that I could be as talkative as the guy behind the counter. He's really chatty, but doesn't always know what to do with me, because I generally freeze and don't talk much. Sometimes I'll smile, or laugh at something he's saying to those of us in the cafe, sometimes I'll say goodnight on the way out. I said to dad that I used to be chatty, but mainly when I was small (I was sociable, talked to everyone). 

Oh, and thanks to that guy being so chatty and loud-ish, I know that he's an Aries, April 18th, two years younger than me. I think he might have a Leo moon, but I can't remember the chart that I took a peek at, after hearing him mention it. 

[Ava]

Electrode

Thanks for replying...all that does sound more like a stereotypical Gemini moon trine Aqua sun...flowing, easygoing, and funny.

From the time I met you, you were mature beyond your years. All Aquarians are intelligent, but I think your sobriety lines up with Capricorn energy pretty well. And maybe it was a factor in any fits you may have had, about not getting your own way. Cap is like that.

Most of the Caps I've talked to have mentioned a need for physical release when their emotions hit a certain point. My Cap moon sons took up martial arts and one would like to be a professional fighter.

Even playing an instrument might qualify? Cap can get overly pent-up so is always looking for catharsis. Hopefully or ideally whatever comes through in that catharsis is valuable somehow, as it represents the deeper spirit. 

[Ava]

anela

"I do the same thing. I didn't hear from dad all day yesterday. Tried to call him several times, late in the day/early evening, and only got his voicemail. Same for his work phone, which he uses to scan things, and occasionally call. Nothing. I flipped out when he finally called me back, close to 8pm."

I would have had a nervous breakdown by then. Cell phone society is too rough on my nerves, lol. I mean, it was better when we just knew there was no way for people to conveniently contact us.

[Deleted]

Tropical moon 29 deg Gemini, Draco moon 10 deg aries(it opposes my tropical sun by ab 4 deg and trines my tropical MC/IC and tropical juptier/uranus).

Natally my moon trines ASC, pluto and saturn and opposes neptune and squares my sun(a bit wide ab 6 deg), it also sextiles venus and mars. So it hits alot of my chart lol. 

My moon lies in the 9th house. My draco moon lies in my tropical 6th house. My natal chart shows that my 6th house is empty, but i am a bit of a workaholic(my 6th house ruler mars and chart ruler venus  is my 10th but I guess the 10th house is more career, not the day to day work. 

Anyway, i would say i work very hard, I think i should earn my cash, and im always terrified of losing my job regardless of how likely or unlikely that is. I can handle personal emotional upsets(ie breakups) better than i would if i lost my job. It provides security to me - as a place to live and food but it can also help to take my mind of things. I would say im into the details with my work, it needs to be perfect otherwise i dont see the point. Working got me through alot of personal upsets. I dont work when i go home, i leave at a normal time most days, so i am able to separate work and home. When there is downtime and not much to do at work i get very frustrated, and dont understand why others dont look that bothered by it. 

My Dr moon lies in my dr 9th house and overlaps my tropical 6th house - I have emigrated twice(once for love) and only moved when i definitley had a job to go to. 

I'm a very fussy eater as well. 


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