Random EVC

[lumina]

Just wanting to share this random EVC with you, upcoming for me on 3rd july. No special day as far as I know however. Still I kind of liked that, esp. since oppositions are basically equal to conjunctions in EVC`s (because of dealing with midpoints).




and Ava, this is the Draco version. I know you would like to see it.  

[Ava]

*applause* 'Love that draco version, with all the 4° planets/angles.

Sun = Mars = Venus, that's like having a superpower, right?

What's happening then, lumina?

[lumina]

Ava

yeah I guess, so and in Aries (on my IC btw), probably Tr Chiron is there too. And of course Sun-Mars-Venus together is really potentially sexy, too bad I am not seeing anyone! Could have been a nice energy.

It is a wednesday and it is still during school, so no clue.

I did, however, without knowing this of course, book a ticket for BOOH for the 29th june, but that is 4 days prior to this.

Well at that time it is not as obvious, but there is

Sun 1°43 Libra
Mars 1°48 Libra
Venus 0°33 Aries

Venus also trines Pluto on 0°40 Sag

So the aspects are very tight, even though Venus is not yet in orb to the Sun-Mars


plus

Jupiter 29°11 Cap
Neptune 29°20 Cap


Draco-wise:

Venus 1°38 Aries
Sun 2°48 Aries
Mars 2°53 Aries
(Pluto 1°45 Sag)

and

Jupiter 0°16 Leo (stationary direct)
Neptune 0°25 Aqua

hmm seems that the Draco Venus is going in same degree alignment with the tropical Sun-Mars then.
And tropical Venus being on the midpoint of Draco Jupiter/Pluto.

Yeah let the good times roll! lol Hmm, just read that apparently the Italian person of interest is scheduled to play STrat on that date (which I did not know when booking either), but then again those schedules can change any moment.

But it would surely be a nice energt have when seeing him again on stage, maybe as some sort of conclusion to the cycle?



he doesn`t quite relate to that though - well no not true, his EVC Mars is on 2 Cancer and I think the first time we met he had a Venus-Mars-square in his EVC (though one of the points was conjunct my EVC, seems like it is now more of a square energy.



On the other hand just when I was writing this comment here, P`s best friend`s picture was popping up in the corner of my computere, as instagram informed me he had liked a comment. Nothing out of the ordinary, but timing was hilarious, of course his natal Mars is on about 1-2 Aries. ROFL
But so is Lancelot`s Mars.

[lumina]

oh and I forgot, P`s and my Draco composite Mars is on 2 Aries too I believe.

And his Draco EVC Uranus (for 3rd july) is on 5 Aries, I think? 

Let me see. This would be his EVC for the 3rd july








Maybe it is simple as that the ticket for the podcast live event will be delivered? It said delivery in july sometime. And well I wonder if I might actually have bookded the first ticket (at least when I ordered in the number there was a -1- listed. LOL And I basically ordered just the second before it was even showing up online - but good I did, someone already was posting online that they did not get a ticket and searched for one, my aquaintance actually thinks that probably due to the new management organizing things that possibly the guestlist was already full with her personal contacts. Maybe that is a bit too negatively thought but erm, I wouldn`t be surprised if it was at least partially the case, and I do not know how many tickets there were even to be sold, but I do not think there will be much more seats in that location than maybe 20-30? anyway I do have the confirmation in my inbox, so I guess I did get a ticket, and maybe it will just be delivered on 3rd july, though for a simple ticket delivery my EVC seems a bit over energetic. lol)

[Ava]

lumina

"But it would surely be a nice energt have when seeing him again on stage, maybe as some sort of conclusion to the cycle?"

Huh? You are just getting started.

Not sure what to make of these, since it looks big astrologically, but like a regular day mundanely speaking. You'll have to remember to come back and report, on July 4th, please.

(NOT just a ticket delivery, though if you were pre-selected as one of the few guests, that does match you being Miss Sun-Venus-Mars, doesn't it? lol)

[lumina]

Ava

lol I doubt I was being pre-selected. But yeah the thought crossed my mind, I mean if someone should be there, it should be me definitely! I have not checked but in my hazy memory it would surprise me if there was even ONE episode I had not have to contribute some silly random comment to. lol


Well, the 10th august last year seemed to be a mundane day, too, until...

Of course things like that could not happen everytimes, so maybe this will just be a day where I feel energized or something, but it just looks so big astrologically. Weird.

[Ava]

lumina

"it just looks so big astrologically"

Right. Especially considering that full moon and all its aspects to your chart! (Saw the other thread)

Plus...

"oh and I forgot, P`s and my Draco composite Mars is on 2 Aries too I believe."

For real? Because you know the draco of this full moon has Mars @ 3 Aries.

My SR Mars @ 3 Aries, IC @ 4 Aries...EVC sun @ 5 Aries, EVC Mars @ 3 Cancer.

Like we're in a hall of mirrors.

Tr Pallas is conjunct my Pluto but this is "extra," so to speak.

[lumina]

Ava


"or real? Because you know the draco of this full moon has Mars @ 3 Aries.
"
Oh yes, true. OUr Draco composite Mars is on 2°22 Aries (the one with his wife`s DRaco composite is on 00 Aries actually, as their Mars is even closer to their NN).

Of course that means that the transiting Draco Mercury-Mars is on our Draco composite Mars, heralding a coming Draco Mars-return. Actually I´ve just had a Draco Mars-REturn and he is approaching one (my Draco Mars on 25 Pisces, his on 9 Aries). 

Anyway in terms of our Draco composite the coming Mars-Return happens on  well. lol - today. 


Additionally the Draco Full Moon is on 8 Pisces/Virgo. 
In his tropical natal he has Eros on 8 Pisces conjunct my name in his chart on 9 Pisces on my Ceres on 9 Pisces, his pr Jupiter is on 8 Virgo at the moment. 
I remember there was a solar eclipse on that degree, literally exact the day after the workshop in 2017 and on the beginning of a small venue concert, and well things started to get a bit crazy basically within the month after that. lol 

Draconically our progressed Draco composite has ASC on 8 Virgo at the moment, too. conjunct P`s Draco progressed Sun on 7°43 Virgo. I also like the symmetry as I have Draco progressed ASC on 8 Taurus and his Draco progressed ASC is on 9 Cap. Actually the pr Draco composite should be in 8 Pisces therefore as this is the near midpoint, however I think astro.com just takes the midpoint of the Midheavens and then uses the corresponding ASC from an ephemeris, which I personally find an inconsistent way of calculating. But the degree is at least right, just that basically I have to reverse all houses in that progressed composite chart.


the pr Draco composite has a lot of exact alignments with our natal charts anyway, just from a glance

like pr Dr c-MC or IC on his natal tropical Mercury exact on my Neptune-NN
pr dr c Sun on 20 Cancer on my natal Vertex and Eros and near his Draco Neptune on 19 Cancer
pr dr c Moon on 25 Cap, exact on his natal tropical Venus, and opposing his Draco Sun, being on his Draco IC and my Draco MC
pr dr c Mercury on 29 Cancer, heading towards the composite DESC in the next years (also my own pr draco Moon has entered 00 Aquaarius in may I believe, and is now just shy of 1 degree and conjunct pr draco Pluto on 1 Aquarius, right on our draco composite SAturn on 1 Aqua and our tropical composite ASC on 1 Aquarius)

pr Dr c Uranus on 25 Aries, even though being a slow mover, it just 3 minutes into the degree, so must have entered it in the recent years, and well his Draco Saturn conjuncts my Draco Venus on 25 Aries exact after all, and I think our Draco composite MC is there as well


BTW speaking of our pr Venus-Mars-trine that is building 

it will be exact in may 2022 with 

pc Venus on 11°42 Pisces trine pc Mars on 11°42 Scorpio

at the same time pr c ASC will be on 00°45 Aries (having entered Aries 9 months prior) and pr c MC will be on 0°37 Cap (having entered the sign about 7-8 months prior)


The Draco Version will be like this: 


pr c Venus on 23°06 Leo trine pr c Mars on 23°06 Aries
pr c Mars just applying to oppose tropical c-Mars on 23°08 Libra, seems significant as Mars is on our NN, so maybe by then we will know what this strange Mars-NN is about. lol 


pr c Sun on 23°34 Cancer just having passed over the opposition to our tropical c Moon on 22°52 Cap (september 2021, so around 8-9 months prior).

And at that time actually our draco pr composite ASC-DESC will be on 11 Virgo-Pisces, falling right onto the tropical pr Venus-Mars-trine, by the DESC falling onto Venus, and let`s face it his natal Mars is totally in there. LOL I mean on 11 Virgo exact, it is hard to pretend I have NOT noticed that. of course his Jupiter is there as well on 10 Virgo, and my Jupiter on 11 PIsces and even Ceres on 9 Pisces might be of note, too. 


Well by the time the Venus-Mars-trine is exact the pr Draco composite ASC will have entered 12 Virgo



Anyway hmmm. Seems a little charged for whatever that means in this context. 

















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My SR Mars @ 3 Aries, IC @ 4 Aries...EVC sun @ 5 Aries, EVC Mars @ 3 Cancer.



Like we're in a hall of mirrors."

Yes, absolutely, hall of mirrors, a great metaphor!And seems kinda big for you, too!

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

K, I followed that, or most of it. This is the kind of thing I wish I understood:

"Actually the pr Draco composite should be in 8 Pisces therefore as this is the near midpoint, however I think astro.com just takes the midpoint of the Midheavens and then uses the corresponding ASC from an ephemeris, which I personally find an inconsistent way of calculating. But the degree is at least right, just that basically I have to reverse all houses in that progressed composite chart."

There's an angle ephemeris? That's news to me. This is a simple switcheroo that you are describing, but it never would have occurred to me that there's another way of looking at pr comp. Honestly my whole way of doing astrology has evolved from a lack of birth times and the accompanying lack of emphasis on houses/angles. I can knuckle down and focus on an event chart in its entirety, but in my world, most relationship charts are such approximations, there are really no houses.

"Anyway in terms of our Draco composite the coming Mars-Return happens on well. lol - today."

Happy draco comp Mars birthday.🧁

"Additionally the Draco Full Moon is on 8 Pisces/Virgo."

Yes...my draco comp sun with my husband is @ 8 Pisces so we get cupcakes, too. 🧁

"Draconically our progressed Draco composite has ASC on 8 Virgo at the moment, too. conjunct P`s Draco progressed Sun on 7°43 Virgo. I also like the symmetry as I have Draco progressed ASC on 8 Taurus and his Draco progressed ASC is on 9 Cap."

Hmmmm, well, so much is going on with these charts that if something happens, it will be a multilayered thing. If nothing happens, maybe it's just an incipient phase? Still waters run deep.

(Of course "still waters run deep" hardly seems to match the Gemini sun energy we've got now. In my house, people are talking all the time. Like, as I write, cook, and tidy up, and write again...people have been coming and going.)

"pr dr c Sun on 20 Cancer on my natal Vertex and Eros and near his Draco Neptune on 19 Cancer"

Wow, and Mars is there, if it matters?

"And seems kinda big for you, too!"

Well it's strange that my EVC sun for this full moon is @ 5 Aries. I think I mentioned before that the draco version of that July 16th eclipse has the sun @ 6 Aries; my draco comp sun w/ H @ 5 Aries. Chiron's there so, *shrug.* The whole situation is like an endless holding pattern. Well the eclipse's draco chart also has Venus @ 28 Pisces exactly conjunct our draco comp Venus @ 28 Pisces which, furthermore, is conjunct his pr draco sun @ 29 Pisces (noon chart). Listen, anyone who judges me, Pisces has special needs. It's the whole Rumi thing. "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." (*fully clothed, no alcohol)

My pr draco moon will be @ 7 Pisces for that eclipse, his pr draco Pluto @ 8 Pisces. The plot doesn't thicken in Pisces, it changes colors like the aurora borealis and disappears, or so they say.

K, they don't say, but my house is too hectic for me to concentrate. And I don't even want to, not about that issue. Back to you...

"And at that time actually our draco pr composite ASC-DESC will be on 11 Virgo-Pisces, falling right onto the tropical pr Venus-Mars-trine, by the DESC falling onto Venus, and let`s face it his natal Mars is totally in there. LOL I mean on 11 Virgo exact, it is hard to pretend I have NOT noticed that. of course his Jupiter is there as well on 10 Virgo, and my Jupiter on 11 PIsces and even Ceres on 9 Pisces might be of note, too."

Ha, well, you know what they say about ELEVENS.



^ "Twin Flame" bridge. (The one I often pass under is much prettier but I don't have a photo handy at the moment.)

Anyway, that is some very nice layering. And you pretty much have the rest of the year booked with times you'll be seeing each other, right? I mean, at regular intervals. Plenty of opportunity to develop all that...um...friendliness. 

[lumina]

Ava


"There's an angle ephemeris?"
Yes, you can look up in an ephemeris where the MC is, after you calculated it, and then look up the coordinates and see which ASC degree is rising for the MC you found. That is one way to determine the ASC for composites. I prefer making midpoints of the ASC`s, as there can be quite a difference. Actually I think astro.com even gives you the option how you want to calculate it, if you ant the ASC`s being derived by the midpoint calculation (adding up the two and dividing by 2) or just looking it up; it seems with the normal composite it uses the real midpoints method, but it also seems that we are not given that option with progressed Draco composites. 





" I can knuckle down and focus on an event chart in its entirety, but in my world, most relationship charts are such approximations, there are really no houses.
"
I am open to the possibilities that there are really no houses either! Sounds weird, I have been so big on houses. lol Well what I am sure of is that the angles work, and also the cusps in Placidus system, but it is possible that those intermediate cusps are really just sensitive degrees that are only activated for the time they are being transited. I mean I have had Tr Uranus going back and forth over my 5th house cusp on 1 Taurus last year, and boy did I feel that!

But however it may be aspects are definitely "ON". 

Also with composites it is difficult with the houses, too, because the composite planets are actually midpoints between natal planets, and we always take the near midpoint, which seems reasonable for P and me, as our planets seem to like to hover closish together, but for example with the Italian person of Interest I share an opposition from his Mars to my Mars. His Mars on 6 Gemini, mine on 5 Sag. Of course we can make a near and a far midpoint from that. 

the near midpoint being 179° from each other, the far midpoint being 181° from each other, and imagine he had been born the day prior, then they might have been exactly 180° from each other, how to make a near and far midpoint then? 

Well that is the reason that some astrologers already think in terms of axis more than singular positions for composite planets, and esp. when they are close to opposition between the natal charts, interprete them in both houses, so saying something like the composite Mars would be on the houseaxis of 5th/11th house. 

This is one of the reasons that in a composite the conjunction and opposition are actually a pair, as the planets are really midpoints on an axis. I still feel drawn to make some difference between conjunction and opposition, though. I mean it oculd be possible that there is an interpretative difference between a near and a far midpoint, right?

But not sure about that, both are  highly activating, and it seems that it mostly depends on the planets in question and how they are interwoven with others anyway. 




"Happy draco comp Mars birthday.🧁
"
Thanks. 


"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." (*fully clothed, no alcohol)

LOL Such a Pisces thing to even mention: no alcohol. And impressive alignment. 




My pr draco moon will be @ 7 Pisces for that eclipse, his pr draco Pluto @ 8 Pisces. 
Interesting. I wonder how that feels, I mean P`s Draco Moon in Cancer is opposite my Draco Pluto in Cap (on his tropical Venus), so I am always curious how that might feel to him. Well possibly evoking a deep seated urge to be as far away from me as possible, which is difficult as his Draco Moon is ALSO conjunct my Draco IC on his tropical Juno.  
Actually that must be difficult. period. Me or my IC bringing out that Cancer-Moon in him, and his IC bringing out Pluto in me. well my Draco Pluto on his Draco IC, is another of those Moon-Pluto-things. 
Tropically it is more mellow as we only have a loose 4 degree wide trine of his Pluto to my Moon. 


"Ha, well, you know what they say about ELEVENS.
"
ROFL




"I mean, at regular intervals."
Yeah, kind of. Actually I think once or twice per month. lol


Not sure about the friendliness factor. we will see. 

[lumina]

Ava

Another random evc, though possibly there might bei an Event that day.


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[lumina]

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

I'm so behind on everything...

"I mean it oculd be possible that there is an interpretative difference between a near and a far midpoint, right?"

I assume so, because of the qualitative differences of the signs. I mean, having a composite sun in a certain sign means something to me. And if you have, say, a Cap and a Pisces together, their energy is going to be "transpersonal" like Aqua, more than it's like Leo, though I guess people can argue anything.

"Interesting. I wonder how that feels, I mean P`s Draco Moon in Cancer is opposite my Draco Pluto in Cap (on his tropical Venus), so I am always curious how that might feel to him. Well possibly evoking a deep seated urge to be as far away from me as possible, which is difficult as his Draco Moon is ALSO conjunct my Draco IC on his tropical Juno. "

My draco Pluto is conjunct my husband's draco moon in Aqua, and he never wants to be away from me. Maybe P doesn't want to be away from you, either. You're usually leaving first. Of course, I am saying this casually, and when I first met my husband, he had no interest in me. We could have gone forever without getting any closer I think, except I (Pluto) sort of pushed the ball in motion. Who can resist Pluto?

I like these EVCs but feel like we discussed them before? Oh...it's just that the sun-Venus-Mars stays all clustered together for a while. Really nice configuration...tr Mercury-Mars on your tropical EVC Uranus looks like fun. What is this event, or, if you don't want to tell, who will be there?

EVC Venus-IC conjunct tr Chiron. I'm kind of tired of Chiron, it's like a shell game, trying to see if the experience is hiding under the "awesome time" shell or the "sad and painful time" shell.



Good thing you and I both have our pr moons in Libra, because like Ami said, Libra moons have no feelings. (I think I've got her Teaching right?) So it's not like anything will have an effect, not within this airy atmosphere.

Anyway....what did I miss, with these charts? Anything intriguing stand out for you?

[lumina]

Hi Ava ,


". And if you have, say, a Cap and a Pisces together, their energy is going to be "transpersonal" like Aqua, more than it's like Leo, "
yes, but that only applies if the planets are in the same quadrant. For the planets being in Cap and Cancer, for example that would not apply. 

The conjunction and opposition are alignments in a composite that are the result of the same underlying priniciples, so there is no difference there, and I believe they are both equally "activating". 

However I do perceive the conjunction and opposition in a composite, while equally stimulating and equal in importance, as different in an interpretative sense. I mean having a progressed Fullmoon is certainly a different phase of a relationship as compared to a progressed New Moon. 

Actually I might just come around to view the conjunctions and oppositions general as having New Moon and Full moon character in terms of the different planetary energies. 

I think, at least for EVC`s, this has to do with the aspect phases, if an aspect is waxing or waning. 

For example for the random EVC chart there is my Venus on 5 Aries, a day later it jumps to 5 Libra. 
When I saw that the Italian person of itnerest actually has an EVC Mars on 4 Cancer and transiting Venus is exactly conjunct it that day, I realized that of course transiting Venus was on 4 Cancer, too! and that means it applies to an opposition with my natal Venus. 

The midpoint of 4 cancer and 6 Cap is closer to Aries than to Libra, because it is a waxing opposition, not yet having peaked, and that is why my EVC Venus is in Aries. 

however that changes the moment the opposition of transiting Venus is perfect, peaks and then starts waning again,w hich happens on 8 July, when Tr Venus is on 6-7 Cancer and therefore the EVC Venus switches to the other side in Libra. 

It also means however that there is a certain moment, when actually there is no near or far midpoint, when the same planets are exactly opposite each other. 



Maybe P doesn't want to be away from you, either."
Or he wants very much away, after all it is an opposition. lol
Actually it is possible that his wife`s Draco Moon is conjunct his Draco Pluto (with a noon time her Draco Moon is at 17 Taurus, and his Draco Pluto is at 20 Taurus)


"What is this event, or, if you don't want to tell, who will be there?
"
I was just notified yesterday that there will be an event organized by the Bat out of hell for 7th july, some sort of unplugged performing of songs of the ensemble. Well I guess not everyone will be there, just a handful few of the cast, performing songs live and unplugged. It is actually for free, but you were asked to enroll there, as the location is rather small i guess (obsidian lounge, no idea, it is in the theatre, but I have never been there actually. lol). Well yesterday there was a lot of chaos, as no confirmation was being sent out and then the tickets were already sold out. Well I wasn`t that anxious, I sent them a mail, that I did not get a confirmation for, and instead of lamenting on instagram or facebook, I just sent another one a few hours later, and instantly got a confirmation. so seems I booked a ticket to be there. lol 

Funny enough this was the date of the fanmeeting last year. 

that event really just came totally out of the blue, so I was looking up my EVC, esp. since I remembered that a few days before I was having this stellium of Sun, Mars, Venus, well Sun, Mars, opposing Venus. But it is on that day and the next one that transiting Venus is transiting over the midpoint of this opposition exactly. Wonder if the Italian will be there. well it is not a given, but then again, he likes doing these sort of gigs, so it is not impossible. unless he has other things of course. 

But that surprising event popping up kinda fitting, as on that day I will have EVC Uranus on 3 Leo opposing EVC Pholus on 3 Aquarius with 3 minutes of orb or so. and well Tr Mars on EVC Uranus exact. 





And I hear you about Tr chiron. lol It has been transiting my IC on 4°58 Aries. 



"Anyway....what did I miss, with these charts? Anything intriguing stand out for you?"
Yes, the ammassing of planets through all levels, EVC, natal, transits, composite on the degrees from 3-6, resulting in very compelling midpoint pictures and aspects. 

Well the conjunctions and oppositions certainly being the "backbone", but connecting to several other planets, and at the time the concert begins my EVC Moon coming into completing some aspect pictures, and will go out of orb once the concert ends I suppose. lol Seems oddly.... specific. 

[Ava]

Jun 19, 2019 10:31:05 GMT lumina said:

The conjunction and opposition are alignments in a composite that are the result of the same underlying priniciples, so there is no difference there, and I believe they are both equally "activating".

However I do perceive the conjunction and opposition in a composite, while equally stimulating and equal in importance, as different in an interpretative sense. I mean having a progressed Fullmoon is certainly a different phase of a relationship as compared to a progressed New Moon.

I guess it's beyond me. I respect your point of view but will probably just keep taking the astro.com composites at face value.

I think what I was getting at about the transpersonal signs isn't really about the quadrant or any division, just the fact that the zodiac matures in a way that's hard to describe. It gets more complicated as it goes along? I don't want to insult anyone but just nodding to conventional astrology. This is why I think our comp sun is in Capricorn, not Cancer. I think all the rationalizing with data, and making it all scientific, would bore a Cancer.

Another simple example, if I'm Aqua Mercury and so is the person I'm talking to, it's pretty obviously an Aqua Mercury style of communication, fitting of the composite Aqua Mercury, and not like a composite Leo Mercury.

Where it gets weird is, if you are always going in zodiacal order as a rule, so the midpoint between Taurus and Pisces is Libra, not Aries, then it's like you are taking the long way for dubious reasons. Might as well let the near midpoint be the "real" one?

Jun 19, 2019 10:31:05 GMT lumina said:

Seems oddly.... specific. 

Ha, and pretty delightful, all things considered. Hope it's a great time!

Well I am still not sure about these EVCs, I am so basic, I just look for stellia and conjunctions. Because I showed you an extraordinary case of a perfect configuration in synastry, and nothing happened then, so I'm still recovering from that disappointment (disappointed that the astrology failed, not that the event didn't happen.)

[lumina]

Ava,

"Where it gets weird is, if you are always going in zodiacal order as a rule, so the midpoint between Taurus and Pisces is Libra, not Aries, then it's like you are taking the long way for dubious reasons. Might as well let the near midpoint be the "real" one?
"
The thing is, they are both "real". Just one is the near midpoint and the other the far. In cases like you mentioned the choice is easy and seems reasonable, shortest route so to speak (though is even that thinking beyond doubt and questioning? Why is the shortest route the more fitting one?). 

Anyway every circle has always two midpoints, and where it gets tricky is if the planets are making a perfect opposition, then there actually is no real near or far midpoint, cause the midpoints are equidistant from each other. 

Actually a case would be P`s and my Jupiter, or the Italian`s and my Mars. IN the first case P`s Jupiter is on 10 Virgo and my Jupiter is on 11 Pisces, they are opposite each other clearly, and yes, we can make a near and a far midpoint of those, as astro.com does, it is on 10 Gemini, and I think it fits, that is not the issue here, but actually to even call it near and far seems to be a bit.... questionable. As the distances are so close to each other: 179° vs. 181°. 

Does a Gemini Jupiter make more sense than a Sag Jupiter if we have the natal Jupiters in Pisces and Virgo? 
It gets hairsplitting at that point I think, or up to personal taste (both make sense as a matter of fact). 



As for EVC`s the conjunctions in those charts happen only because the transiting planets have the same distance to each other as the natal planets. or the synastric planets. That is all what the EVC conjunction is saying: the current astro weather in the transits is an accurate replica of your natal make up. 

And the EVC oppositions happen the same way, they, too reflect the same distance between natal planets or synastric planets, so there is no difference there. 
I think there might be a difference though, I mean there must be a reason why sometimes the transit-mirror results in a conjunction and sometimes in an opposition; I suspect, but have not researched it, it might have to do with where in the zodiac the transiting reflection of the natal happens. Which brings me probably back to the distinction "before the perfect oppostion - waxing" and "after the perfect opposition - waning". Probably that is one of the reasons. but not sure yet. 

HOwever in terms of reflecting the natal aspects, conjunctions and opposition in an EVC are the same. 


As for other aspects in the EVC`s, I just take a mental note of them when they are exact and when they connect to conjunctions. Though I noticed that oddly enough there seems to have been really good events between P and me when my EVC MOon was in Pisces exactly trine his EVC Saturn in Scorpio. 

What happens with other aspects is that they do not reflect the same distance of the natal or synastry, but add a factor to it. 

For example on the Adventureland concert we had 

my EVC Jupiter on 2 Aqua trine his EVC Eros on 3 Gemini (which curiously neough had been on my EVC DESC that moment we talked. lol)

in our natal synastry my Jupiter conjuncts his Eros. 
in the transiting chart Jupiter was trine Eros. 

I think probably this is weaker, even much weaker, but I just find this interesting. 


However having said all that I really do think that eventful EVC`s NEED to have an exact conjunction, it is the hook-factor. 




 "Because I showed you an extraordinary case of a perfect configuration in synastry, and nothing happened then, so I'm still recovering from that disappointment (disappointed that the astrology failed, not that the event didn't happen.)"
I know what you mean. I´ve had this too at the end of may, you remember? 

On the other hand when I bumped into P last summer, and there was my EVC Pluto conjunct his EVC Venus, and his EVC Mars conjunct my EVC Venus. 

Well the first case also reflected a real natal aspect, while my Pluto does not aspect his Venus synastrically (well it probably does with a minor aspect. lol), we BOTH have the square natally, which is showing up in the composite, too, so there is a strong theme of that anyway. 

and int he second instance his Mars widely trines my Venus (and obviously there was a transiting trine between Venus and Mars that day, too, or else we could not have the eVC conjunction, and actually it had to be in the reverse aspect phase, meaning in our synastry his Mars comes first in Virgo and trines my Venus in Cap, and in the transits it was Venus first in LIbra trine Mars in Aqua - only if the order is reversed we get a conjunction or opposition in the EVC or composites, if it were the same order, the exact aspect would have repeated - a trine, as happens in our natal comnposite with Venus-Pluto, as in both natal charts Pluto comes first and then squares Venus further down the zodiac, had one of us had it reversed, with a Venus in Cancer for example, then the composite aspect would have become a conjunction or opposition).

Anyway just wondering if maybe that might be a difference? That the eVC`s are stronger if they point at underlying actual aspects (like conjunction, trine, square, sextile, quinkunx, opposition, semisextile possibly) instead of just replicating just any angular distance, like 17 degrees for example. 

Which would be a bummer, as my Sun and Venus are not in aspect but just simply 10 degrees apart. lol Though my Venus and Mars are semisextile, which I am inclined to treat as an apsect, though I do not yet know how strong it would be.) 

on the other hand I think on the Adventureland concert his Mars conjunct my Uranus in the EVC showed, and synastrically there is no aspect there, hmm 50°, might be a septile actually, but that is rather esoteric. Yeah it seems in orb, in the 7th harmonic charts my Uranus is on 9 Taurus, his Mars on 17 Taurus, which is 8 degrees, and therefore the natal septile is just a bit over one degree of orb, hmm)

Well there was also my EVC Jupiter opposing his EVC Mars even more exactly, and Tr Jupiter was on 23 Sag opposing Tr Mars on 22 Gemini, clearly reflecting our synastric opposition of my Juptiter to his Mars. 

Hmm I will have to keep an eye on that with future EVC`s if they might maybe be "stronger" or more impactful if there is an actual underlying aspect.

[Ava]

Hi lumina

"though is even that thinking beyond doubt and questioning? Why is the shortest route the more fitting one?"

Well I just like working with the signs. Most obvious example in my case is, I'll always have a composite sun in Scorpio with Virgos. That's a nice, shorthanded way of saying that it's intense in a Scorpio-like way.

"Does a Gemini Jupiter make more sense than a Sag Jupiter if we have the natal Jupiters in Pisces and Virgo?
It gets hairsplitting at that point I think, or up to personal taste (both make sense as a matter of fact)."

Well maybe that's just the answer: consider the whole composite as a reflection of the different axes. So my composite sun with Virgo is not merely Scorpio, but the Taurus-Scorpio axis, and all that the axis entails. Hmm.

" Which brings me probably back to the distinction "before the perfect oppostion - waxing" and "after the perfect opposition - waning". Probably that is one of the reasons. but not sure yet."

I remember focusing intently on that a few years ago, looking at charts to try and decipher why EVC plants would flip. Maybe it should have been obvious, but I would be looking forward to someone's EVC sun advancing to a certain point, but then it would become an opposition before it got there.  So, transiting sun applying to opposition with natal sun makes an EVC sun on one side, and when the transiting sun separates from the opposition, the EVC sun goes to the other side...simply put, it's always a reflection of the near midpoint, I think that's how it is?

"Though I noticed that oddly enough there seems to have been really good events between P and me when my EVC MOon was in Pisces exactly trine his EVC Saturn in Scorpio."

Interesting..well I'm slated for this tonight: my EVC moon will be @ 0 Pisces trine H's EVC Saturn @ 0 Scorpio. Hooray, it's a laboratory!! We'll see if he contacts me. My guess is, he won't. It feels like one of these month-long silent periods. Though tr Venus is about to conjunct my Mars, on the summer solstice...with our name asteroids tightly conjunct. 

Astro.com just magically stopped working for me, it's like the veil has been shut on this inquiry. Well   *sticking my tongue out at Fate* have it your way, I didn't care one way or the other anyway, how about that?

Me with me tr Mercury-Mars opp Pluto attitude problem.   

"in our natal synastry my Jupiter conjuncts his Eros."

Why did that just suddenly strike me as so hot, yet you say it casually? lol

"On the other hand when I bumped into P last summer, and there was my EVC Pluto conjunct his EVC Venus, and his EVC Mars conjunct my EVC Venus."

Having coffee? 

"Anyway just wondering if maybe that might be a difference? That the eVC`s are stronger if they point at underlying actual aspects (like conjunction, trine, square, sextile, quinkunx, opposition, semisextile possibly) instead of just replicating just any angular distance, like 17 degrees for example."

Sounds good. Also I think there are themes in the relationship according to the composite chart. I mean, my composite with H has the sun opposing Jupiter widely, but because this opposition rests on the nodes, I think that makes it more prominent. We reconnected when he had a sun-Jupiter conjunction in his EVC, it's like he was up to the task of being inflated, though I think he barely premeditated the reconnection, as he got word from our friend that it was possible to talk, and emailed immediately...that's my understanding, that it all happened in one morning. 

Oh, astro.com is working again, so I am allowed to ask The Oracle for specific degrees:

19.05 Leo, our friend's noon chart sun..ah and I see now she is definitely a Pisces moon, the moon was in Pisces all day
22 Leo, his EVC Jupiter
23 Leo, his EVC sun (noon chart)

So nah, he was actually late contacting her, he should have done it with his EVC sun on her sun. lol Unless I'm missing some details. He asked what my reaction was when I learned we could talk again, and I told him all about that (nice to see him smiling) and forget to ask, "So what was your reaction?" 

21.50 Libra, my EVC sun
23 Libra, his EVC Saturn, exact on my natal sun-Saturn midpoint
24.08 Libra, my EVC Venus

Well let me just rewind the tape. There was an eclipse a week before this, and my EVC with that eclipse (are these especially meaningful?) has those planets in closer formation, from 17-19 Libra, quincunx EVC moon @ 19 Taurus on my natal SN. Eclipse EVC NN @ 28 Virgo trine EVC Jupiter-Neptune @ 29 Cap (I LOVE that they were exactly conjunct when this happened!) Bear with me, but his eclipse EVC has

20 Virgo NN, on his noon chart sun
20 Leo, his EVC sun (squaring my nodes exactly, by the way)
20 Cancer, tr sun-moon eclipse

-> I never would have selected the day he wrote, as the day he was going to write, based on all the EVCs I've looked at so far.  

"Well there was also my EVC Jupiter opposing his EVC Mars even more exactly, and Tr Jupiter was on 23 Sag opposing Tr Mars on 22 Gemini, clearly reflecting our synastric opposition of my Juptiter to his Mars."

Did you get a hug? So many concerts lately, I forget which ones are hug-concerts and which aren't. 

"Hmm I will have to keep an eye on that with future EVC`s if they might maybe be "stronger" or more impactful if there is an actual underlying aspect."

Yeah, we are in it for the long haul with EVC research, I think. Draconic EVCs also need to be examined for the full picture. I do wonder how good we might get with predictions, using these. I guess only time will tell. And while I'm thinking of it, thank you, I do appreciate all your insights and working on this with me. 

[lumina]

hi  Ava, 


"Well maybe that's just the answer: consider the whole composite as a reflection of the different axes. So my composite sun with Virgo is not merely Scorpio, but the Taurus-Scorpio axis, and all that the axis entails. Hmm.
"
Yes, that is probably the case. I do think however the near midpoint will "reign suppreme",, but maybe I am just thinking that cause I am used to that thinking. Well some astrologers already consider the axis. Anyway, the other midpoint, for you in taurus, might still vibrate, but maybe less obviously so? 
And just wondering, could it be that midpoints are not "equal", but that the closer the planets are together in the natals, the stronger and more clearly pronounced the near midpoint becomes? and if the planets are closer to the oppositions, it is more approaching a 50:50 distribution in strength?
That is HIGHLY theoretical and probably overdoing the thing of course. lol




"So, transiting sun applying to opposition with natal sun makes an EVC sun on one side, and when the transiting sun separates from the opposition, the EVC sun goes to the other side...simply put, it's always a reflection of the near midpoint, I think that's how it is?
"
Yes, that is how it is, well at least how astro.com treats it. 

I actually tested it out, down to the minutes and seconds, what happens when the same planets become exactly opposite, I mean, degree, minute, second. lol 
Astro.com at some point just flips it, even though technically there is a point when there IS no distinction between near and far midpoint. However if the planets are very close to opposition, like with the Jupiter for P and me, they add after the planet in the box underneath the chart "plus opposite house", and therefore refer to the axis I guess. 
It seems they are using an orb of 10 degrees for this, so if the planets come as close as to 10 degrees of a synastric opposition, astro.com will refer the planet to the opposite house as well and in this way refer to the other midpoint, too. 



"Interesting..well I'm slated for this tonight: my EVC moon will be @ 0 Pisces trine H's EVC Saturn @ 0 Scorpio. Hooray, it's a laboratory!! We'll see if he contacts me. My guess is, he won't. "
wouldn`t it be hilarious, if he did! lol 

But seriously i think if the trine "worked", then probabl against the backdrop of the also existent conjunctions.  



"It feels like one of these month-long silent periods. Though tr Venus is about to conjunct my Mars, on the summer solstice...with our name asteroids tightly conjunct.
"
That is quite a statement there!

So he wll write. tonight. I just made my mind up about it, it feels like he just made the decision to do so. 

I mean I have no clue really, but hey, maybe we can compell him to do so by talking about it?  




"hy did that just suddenly strike me as so hot, yet you say it casually? lol
"
LOl well yes, I love that aspect, though not sure how it really should be interpreted, Jupiter is not so much sexual I guess. lol but it certainly is a nice one, and it is part of a stellium

my Pholus 6 Pisces
his Eros 8 Pisces
my Ceres 9 Pisces
his "my name" 9 Pisces
my Jupiter 11 Pisces

opposing

his Amor 9 Virgo
his Jupiter and his name 10 Virgo
his Mars 11 Virgo



too funny how there was a solar eclipse on 8 Pisces, in 2017, that started our "applying connection". lol 


gotta interrupt now, but will be back later









"On the other hand when I bumped into P last summer, and there was my EVC Pluto conjunct his EVC Venus, and his EVC Mars conjunct my EVC Venus."



Having coffee?



"Anyway just wondering if maybe that might be a difference? That the eVC`s are stronger if they point at underlying actual aspects (like conjunction, trine, square, sextile, quinkunx, opposition, semisextile possibly) instead of just replicating just any angular distance, like 17 degrees for example."



Sounds good. Also I think there are themes in the relationship according to the composite chart. I mean, my composite with H has the sun opposing Jupiter widely, but because this opposition rests on the nodes, I think that makes it more prominent. We reconnected when he had a sun-Jupiter conjunction in his EVC, it's like he was up to the task of being inflated, though I think he barely premeditated the reconnection, as he got word from our friend that it was possible to talk, and emailed immediately...that's my understanding, that it all happened in one morning.



Oh, astro.com is working again, so I am allowed to ask The Oracle for specific degrees:



19.05 Leo, our friend's noon chart sun..ah and I see now she is definitely a Pisces moon, the moon was in Pisces all day

22 Leo, his EVC Jupiter

23 Leo, his EVC sun (noon chart)



So nah, he was actually late contacting her, he should have done it with his EVC sun on her sun. lol Unless I'm missing some details. He asked what my reaction was when I learned we could talk again, and I told him all about that (nice to see him smiling) and forget to ask, "So what was your reaction?"



21.50 Libra, my EVC sun

23 Libra, his EVC Saturn, exact on my natal sun-Saturn midpoint

24.08 Libra, my EVC Venus



Well let me just rewind the tape. There was an eclipse a week before this, and my EVC with that eclipse (are these especially meaningful?) has those planets in closer formation, from 17-19 Libra, quincunx EVC moon @ 19 Taurus on my natal SN. Eclipse EVC NN @ 28 Virgo trine EVC Jupiter-Neptune @ 29 Cap (I LOVE that they were exactly conjunct when this happened!) Bear with me, but his eclipse EVC has



20 Virgo NN, on his noon chart sun

20 Leo, his EVC sun (squaring my nodes exactly, by the way)

20 Cancer, tr sun-moon eclipse



-> I never would have selected the day he wrote, as the day he was going to write, based on all the EVCs I've looked at so far.



"Well there was also my EVC Jupiter opposing his EVC Mars even more exactly, and Tr Jupiter was on 23 Sag opposing Tr Mars on 22 Gemini, clearly reflecting our synastric opposition of my Juptiter to his Mars."



Did you get a hug? So many concerts lately, I forget which ones are hug-concerts and which aren't.



"Hmm I will have to keep an eye on that with future EVC`s if they might maybe be "stronger" or more impactful if there is an actual underlying aspect."



Yeah, we are in it for the long haul with EVC research, I think. Draconic EVCs also need to be examined for the full picture. I do wonder how good we might get with predictions, using these. I guess only time will tell. And while I'm thinking of it, thank you, I do appreciate all your insights and working on this with me.

[Ava]

Hi lumina

"I mean I have no clue really, but hey, maybe we can compell him to do so by talking about it? "

LOL, for the record, it doesn't really matter. My own sense of rhythm is, I say "Happy Holiday" (whatever the occasion) and within a few days, there's a "Thanks"...he's already demonstrated that his rhythm is not like that. Even if he answers in a timely way this time, I already know it's going to be "off" again in the future, so it makes no difference. And I don't like that, but I like him, so this is just part of the relationship, if we can even call it that. More like a conversation between people who used to have a relationship.

Waiting for the rest of your reply, just wanted to touch on that.

[lumina]

Ava

Having coffee? "
Yes.



"Sounds good. Also I think there are themes in the relationship according to the composite chart."
Yes, definitely think so, too.

" I mean, my composite with H has the sun opposing Jupiter widely, but because this opposition rests on the nodes, I think that makes it more prominent."
Also agree. I have a similiar thing with P in our composite, as Mars and Pluto are sort of near the NN, but pretty widely conjunct, but I wonder if the Nodes pull them together, and then there is Moon and Venus , loosely conjunct, but esp. their midpoint is very closely square the nodal axis, and of course there are the partile MOon-Mars and Venus-Pluto-squares.

Pluto 15 Libra
NN 20 Libra
Mars 23 Libra

Venus 16 cap
Moon 22 Cap


We reconnected when he had a sun-Jupiter conjunction in his EVC, it's like he was up to the task of being inflated, though I think he barely premeditated the reconnection, as he got word from our friend that it was possible to talk, and emailed immediately...that's my understanding, that it all happened in one morning.

That is so cool actually! And I like Sun-Jupiter, yes, inflated maybe, but also a lot of warmth.







"and my EVC with that eclipse (are these especially meaningful?)"
I`ve been thinking about that myself some days ago. And it would make sense. I mean if eclipses, if aspecting our natal chart, have strong effects over a longer time period, then the EVC should be equally telling and strong!
Though there still would need to be some "pointer" for when the potential manifests int he outer world.

Well about 24 hours after P and me had coffee there was this total solar eclipse, and in my EVC with it Venus had moved to 20 Scorpio, the same degree as his EVC Mars, 20 SCorpio. When we met the day before, it was still applying, with my Venus on 19 Scorpio (albeit also EVC ASC on 19 Scorpio).

On the other hand when we met, his EVC Venus and my EVC Pluto were both on 29 Scorpio, for the eclipse EVC his Venus had moved to 00 Sag already.


But I have been thinking about that, when realizing that the next time I am going to see him will be 3 days AFTER a lunar eclipse (on his Venus.)
I have not delved deeply, but noticed that

my EVC Priapus conjunct his EVC NN on 9 Leo (though both are probably still in orb 3 days later, though I think Priapus might be already on 10 Leo then)

my EVC Sun will of course be conjunct his EVC Sun, on 10 Libra
my EVC Venus on 11 Libra will be conjunct his EVC Sun on 10 Libra, by 0°41 separating, 3 days later it will be out of the partile orb, though still closish, actually that means that the conjunction must be exact some days before the eclipse I believe.

Well I guess there will be some close aspects on the actual date, too. Actually I think I remember I am going to have a Mercury-Venus-conjunction on one of the two days.

Yes, on the first day I will see the play my EVC will have

EVC Mercury 12 Libra
EVC Venus 12 Libra
opposite
EVC Chiron 12 Aries

And EVC Sun on 11 Libra

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Also

EVC Pluto on 00 SAg
EVC Juno on 00 Gemini (it will just have entered that sign)

---------------

EVC Lilith on 5 Pisces
opposite
EVC Eros on 5 Virgo

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EVC Jupiter 28 Cap
EVC Neptune 29 Cap
- just conjunct and applying with 0°58



---------------------------------

he will have Sun on 11 Libra, on my Sun of course
not on the same degree as my Mercury-Venus, though, even though close

------------------------

EVC Venus on 22 Aries
EVC Chiron on 22 Aries

what can I say? We seem to always have some Chiron factor inbuilt (we also met with Tr Chiron conjunct Tr NN exact. lol)

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On the second day

his EVC Sun will be on 12 Libra
conjunct my EVC mercury on 12 Libra

however my EVC Venus will already be on 13 Libra then


for both of us that means that EVC Venus is separating from opposing/ conjuncting EVC Chiron.


AT some point on the second day his EVC Ceres and EVC Moon will be both on 3 Aqua opposing my EVC Uranus on 3 Leo
the day before actually his EVC Moon will be transiting my EVC Jupiter-Neptune

and then his EVC Moon will also visit his EVC Neptune on 4 Aquarius, opposing his EVC Juno on 5 Leo


And I guess some more.


Well a week before his EVC Juno will conjunct my EVC Uranus and opposing his EVC Neptune exact, but well, that is not when I am going to see him





"EVC Jupiter-Neptune @ 29 Cap (I LOVE that they were exactly conjunct when this happened!)"
Yes me, too.
And incidentally I am going to have this one this year. Possibly I have already had it, as Jupiter was retrograde. let me check.

well eVC Jupiter and Neptune were exactly conjunct on 27 Cap in january, and and actually they are conjunct on 29 Cap right now, and then again in september on 28 Cap




"Did you get a hug? So many concerts lately, I forget which ones are hug-concerts and which aren't. "
Lol Yes, I did. He took me by surprise actually, by the way he was exclaiming my name, pulling me into a hug, asking me if I had already an autograph, signed by all of them, which I negated, and then pulling one from somewhere (he obviously had some left) and whle the other signatures were already on there (he msut have prepared some, or asked them to sign some in advance?) and then signing it himself that moment and putting it into my hand, before i even had the chance to say I did not want one. lol This happened all so quickly, I felt like he seriously didn`t give me any time to even take a breath in between. lol He had me quite a bit surprised and baffled there, as he is usually much calmer or slower in acting it seems. but then again he probably was still pumped with the adrenaline from the show and as I suspect one or the other drink already. LOL


" And while I'm thinking of it, thank you, I do appreciate all your insights and working on this with me. "
Yes, I thought the same.

I guess we put the Mercury-Pluto-opposition to good use.