chiron transits the sun

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I know this may belong in asteroids but as it is a question on how a transit hits the sun I put it here.

I am just over a tr chiron square natal moon transit and it was a very emotionally trying time. Now it is around the cusp of my 5th/6th house and opposing my sun(the exact opposition will happen in coming days) near end of 11th. I do have some health issue and I believe I have silent reflux. It kind of affects my breathing(well, at least my perception of breathing). Natally my chiron is rx in 8th. This started happening after i had my son.

Weird thing today my father called me early this morning. He never really calls that mobile phone because its expensive(lives across the border) so usually we text. I think about him alot and wonder how he is/worry about him etc. He and also my brother would be experiencing the opposition to their moons or are about to. My brother lost his job recently(but did get a new one soon after). My sister will be experiencing the conjunction very soon. My bf and son both experiencing the square.

Has anyone experienced the opposition to their sun?

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[anela]

Whenever Chiron was in Libra. I don't know when that was. Hang on.
Probably 1996/1997. That was tough, in a way. I was trying to get over my social anxiety, though. Trying to make friends online. It was in my 12th. I had kind of an online relationship with someone (no sexting, which is probably why he made a really dumb excuse, and ghosted me - I mean it was *really* dumb). That's around the same time that my sister met her husband online. 

That's also around the time when I was feeling exhausted, had been juicing three times a week, not to lose weight, but to be healthier, and I hoped to make me eyesight stronger. Instead, I ended up underweight, and mum demanded to know if I was anorexic. When I finally weighed myself that Christmas, after she bought me a tiny pair of jeans that fit me (I hadn't expected them to), I started to eat doughnuts, because I only weighed 89lbs. Either that, or when it moved into Scorpio - I think by that time, it was in my first house. 

[lumina]

I am never quite sure how to interprete Chiron, beyond that I observe he seems to bring all vulnerabilities to the table. But how that goes, could be either way. Sometimes it seems more about the wounding and shame principle, sometimes more about the acceptance and healing.

That is psychologically however.

But Chiron is of course very strongly related to physicality, his name means: Hand, after all, and I noticed strong effects of "physical touch", not necessarily sexual, but could be of course.

And extending that of course he would have to do with health in the broadest sense and also health issues, I suppose. But I do not know when or how that would take effect.



I must have had the opposition very early in life (I was born under the applying trine to Sun, well it was not yet a trine, 5-6 degree orb, or just a widish one). Actually just having an idea, that has almost nothing to do with the thread in question, but could it be that we are being also influenced/ affected/ "shaped in our perception" by the first transiting (or progressed) aspect that two planets make after our birth (in the first year of life or so), so in my case that would have been Tr Chiron trine my Mercury and Sun (when I was about 5 months old, well not knowing if that was of any importance, well my parents celebrated their first wedding anniversary around the time the aspect was exact for me)

I do seem to have a certain draw to people whose Sun is conjunct my Chiron within about 3 degrees (mostly before my Chiron though), but that could be because my Draconic Sun-Mercury is there as well (4-5 degrees ahead of my Chiron).

And I noticed that while they leave a deep impact somehow, I do not relate to what other people tell how these are painful and wounding and defensive interactions, to me they feel like having a lot of growthpotential, that I actually welcome. Maybe because my Chiron and my Sun share the same element and are not "pulling into different directions"?


Though I noticed some pattern maybe, or just random coincidence, with Chiron (and sometimes Jupiter) involvement in the cases of grandparents passing away, well in my life at least. (through progressions and solar arcs), though Moon-Pluto might also have been descriptive.

Just wondering aloud.



Sorry distraction over, and getting back to the question.


Tr Chiron opposite my Sun, mmmh

Ahh that is interesting, that happened in a year I consdider MOST important/ significant in my growing up years.
Actually right around the time Tr Chiron was opposing my Sun-Mercury I decided it was time to "fall in love". LOL Or just having that curiosity about that strange thing called love I guess.

The year started most weirdly with a very strong dream that I still remember, part of it was that the planet Neptune exploded, which meant I couldn`t go "home" but had to stay on earth. LOL
I remember that dream so clearly as if I had dreamed it yesterday, and that was like 30 years ago!
There were some more dream images involved, but the blowing up of Neptune (it was not a natural but a "made" explosion) really stuck with me, probably made me go deeper into that astrology-thing. It really started then. And was maybe the first time I was disobeying my mother in that, as for a long time it was clearly forbidden, to do astrology, to me, which did not keep me from doing it though. lol I know of course that she was afraid, she also noticed me getting into the whole spiritual business, and there was not only a light side to it, but also the nightmarish one about the automatic writing and this damned board business, and at some points, just reading minds of my younger friend. Just knowing things I wasn`t supposed to know, sometimes even knowing things she was not aware she knew, but later it turned out I had been right, when she asked her parents. Just little things. And then there was the bigger alarming stuff, I am not going to get into. Like this older friend experimenting with meditation and well past life hypnosis or something, none of us took it serious, but she once did it with me, and well this afternoon was rather shocking, I guess. I do not remember much of it, and she has never shared what I had been doing or saying, but apparently it shocked her to the core.
Too strong stuff. I vaguely remembering her mumbling something about Adam and Eve and Jesus and well neither of us was really religious (though at that time I regularly dreamed of Jesus, which is a weird thing to say I guess, but hey I´ve always dreamed of angels now and then, too, and had some rather remarkable dreams, that I remember most for the athmosphere in them, that Easter dream back then was quite something, too).
Anyway no clue, where there is light, there is darkness, and as there was much light during that time, the darkness also present almost cost me my sanity.

I guess I was always just having a much too vivid imagination, but those years from 1988 - 1991/ 1992, there was much fear and nightmares, too. Just like when you feel that what you thought the reality was crumbles. An experience like it was told in the Matrix later I suppose. Perceiving the world in many layers shining through each other sometimes covering each other, is not always a good thing to actually settle on live in ONE dimension. lol (Even though also back in the day an old guy was telling me something about me having free access to the 8th dimension or something, but having temporarily forgotten how but I would remember. Well sometimes old guys tell things like that, but this was one of two occasions, when a person basically vanished in front of my eyes. or rather I had been looking down, just a few moments, chewing on the words, and when looking up just seconds later he was gone, it was a free place, I should have seen him leaving. But he just had disappeared. Just like the woman I had been having that chat with at a lonely beach in Ireland in 1993. there was only grass there and sand and beach, and yet, I did not see her walk away, she was just gone. But my IRish friend tells me things like that sometimes happen, to her a church manifested when she needed one, and she never found it again, and people told her later it did not exist - anymore- there was a church there once, but not for a hundred years or so.No clue. it were odd times).


When Tr Chiron was opposing my Sun-Mercury it was in my 7th house, and simultaneously Tr Saturn-Uranus were conjunct my Sun-Mercury.
And tr NN on my Draconic ASC in Pisces, squaring my Sun-Mercury.

oh boy there was

Tr Chiron 25 Gemini

my Sun-Mercury 25 Sag
Tr Saturn 25 Sag
Tr Uranus 27 Sag

Tr NN 25 Pisces





Hmm what made Neptune explode though?
Around the time, maybe a bit before, Tr Neptune was conjunct my Venus and then square my Pluto.

Tr Jupiter conjunct my Chiron in 4th house.


I do not think I was experiencing health problems though, except for my obvious mental instability. lol



Oh and recently I had Tr Chiron square my Sun-Mercury

first hit to my Mercury exact: June 2016, but not perfecting to my Sun jsut yet

april and october 2017

february 2018


Definitely important times for me, but this time Tr Chiron in my 3rd house, and I think it has more to do with my thinking pattern/ communication, but not so much with health issues for me. Maybe the houseplacement plays a role? I mean where transiting Chiron is?

[lumina]

Oh yes, right, about Neptune - not in the transits but in the solar arcs back then
like last year it had been a "Let`s change signs together" in the solar arcs in 1988, mostly interesting solar arc Moon entering Pisces!

(solar arc Juno entering Aries, solar arc Saturn into Leo)

Two years later, when things got really crazy,

solar arc Neptune and solar arc NN exact on my natal Sun-Mercury on 25 Sag


and some other very relevant stuff, transiting Chiron was not doing anything in my chart that year. unless we count the oppositon to Solar Arc Sun-Mercury on 11 Cap - which we actually SHOULD count, it is a shadow transit, as it is called, and connected to the time when transiting Saturn was making the aspect to the natal Sun-MErcury. And well it fits.



However in this instance there was actually a physical accident, sort of, Just having sudden problems with my knee and the only time I ever had to use crutches in my life, noone really knows what it was exactly. the doctors weren`t agreeing, and I was not agreeing with them just doing surgering to LOOK what might be wrong.
I think it was just difficulties with the changes during puberty, but it makes sense, having knee-issues, while solar arc Sun was receiving an opposition from Chiron and being in Capricorn (solar arc Sun I mean). It also forced me to spend time at home, listening to music, and going very much inward.

It also seemed to be during those years, that it took real effort to "stay in body", remembering all the dizzyspells and partially remembering involuntary astral-travels, I guess not totally, just the beginning of it, or just my perception, but however it was, I did not feel really anchored within my own body. like I was just very loosely connected with my body and the earth itself.

Which is actually something that just happened when meeting P. Part of the shock of meeting him was also, that basically from the first moment on, I was anchored in my self, and in the Here and now, which I had never really experienced before.

Neptune conjunct ASC is never really part of the physical I suppose. lol


But I have come to appreciate that very much, this Here and Now feeling, being present in the moment, just like actually participating in my own life instead of observing it from God knows where. lol


There are nice things about the whole dreamy spiritual thing, but honestly I prefer it this way. Being "em-bodied", I mean that is why we are here, right? NOthing against a bit floating around in fantasies and even spirituality, but the basis should still be firlmyl connected to the earth.

[Ava]

Hope you start seeing improvements in your health vg. I know my health suffered whenever I had a baby, if only from lack of sleep and then being physically depleted (nutrients go to the baby while pregnant and nursing). Also I think I was a bit immune compromised (worrying about the baby/ no sleep.) Overall it just takes a toll on the whole body and we do need a lot of time to relax and recover after giving birth, but few of us really get that. But anyway, some of my health issues just resolved on their own over time. I contracted an insect-borne illness shortly after my youngest son was born, it's an infection that usually resolves itself quickly, but in my case it dragged on for years (causing swollen lymph nodes)...probably just because my body was worn out, so healing was slower. But now I'm about 90% better.

All this to say I hope there is systematic improvement overall as you recover from giving birth.

anela - 89 pounds?! Holy crap....glad you survived!

lumina

Interesting stories. So it was Chiron in Gemini opposing your sun, and you dealt with issues of paying a price for learning too much: stress with your mother about exploring forbidden territory, becoming somewhat ungrounded in a sea of information about other dimensions and realities, and so on?

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As for me, Chiron in Cancer opposing my sun, let's see:

cafeastrology.com/chironsignstables.html

1988-1991, it was in Cancer.

1989 was my opposition, and this was my mother's Chiron return. Well it's interesting this was Cancer and literally a maternal and family affair:

16 Cancer, my mother's natal Chiron
17 Cancer, my father's natal Pluto
14-17 Cancer, my sister's sun, Mercury, and noon chart moon

13 Cancer, my SR Chiron for 1990, year my mother died.

When she passed, tr Chiron @ 26 Cancer on my draconic moon and transiting south node @ 28 Cancer.

Yeah I guess that's all self-explanatory. Sorry to be dramatic but this is the main thing that happened in that time frame.

[lumina]

Ava

yes, makes sense.

Also it is possible that Chiron always/ generally has to do with "abandonment" at least in the first phase of the developmental process. After all he was abandoned and rejected by his mother and was sort of "growing up alone".
Also astronomically Chiron is the bridge between the personal and the transpersonal planets, but a bridge usually is pretty "alone", not really belonging to ONE side, but leading from one to the other. There is this extending boundaries and exploring new territory while also being part of the old one, theme.

I think in Chironic terms it means that there is really no matching rules/ paradigm but that he/ she has to define their own method/ rules/Pattern/behaviour, as clearly the old is falling away in a sense, but the new one is not yet established (because Chiron is the one helping establishing it). It`s like where Chiron is you cannot rely on whatever has come before (including role models like parents etc.), you have to venture out there on your own, and maybe because noone can really give you that guidance, this is why people feel so vulnerable and insecure when it comes to Chiron.

In my case I was venturing into the field of astrology, and I had to do it alone. In particular my mother was vehemently against it, she by now somewhat accepted it, as long as I am not talking too much about it (but do not get me started on tarot cards, red flag for her. lol)

I have accepted that it scares her and that it is something that I cannot share with her, beyond a very tentative elaboration.
Well she accepted it so far, even though she doesn`t understand it, at least to a certain degree. Basically she was reassured by the scientific approach I followed and when she recognized it in an astrologer on TV, who apparently left a good impression on her (meaning she thought that astrologer was also more scientifically interested than a doomsayer. lol)

But I am aware that this is a very superficial acceptance, and scratching at it, might open a can of worms. I am just accepting that it is something that somehow scares her because she cannot understand it, and I leave it at that.


my involvement in the musical-theatre is the other thing that she can`t deal with. I think she thinks of me as a fangirl/ groupie, and that is almost the worst kind of label she can think of. For her. She likes the cultural aspect, but cannot understand why anyone would watch a show twice (too funny that P actually asked me that, too, when we talked last summer. LOL Almost like being grilled by my mom, well his Saturn-DESC is on her Moon, his Mars-Jupiter is on her Mars, and her Venus is not far off.)

Let me not get into Bat out of hell!!! though curiously I think in this instance they both have given up. lol my DAd does not understand it either, but he is more tolerant in letting me do whatever I like. his Virgo ASC-Saturn seems to be in a good balance with his Aquarius Sun-Venus-Jupiter. 

Well they of course know about some of the things other fans do, and for my mother it is just horrific thought her daughter could do something like that, like baking a cake for an actor, or basically travelling with the actors to see them multiple times, or doing SElfies with them, or ironing their clothes (lol well I have not done THAT so far, I hardly iron my own clothes after all.   ). 

Curiously enough she KNOWS about the bananabread I made, but like me she insists on that being a different thing because I did it for the whole group. Of course. lol 
Though P seems to have thought it was just a gift for him, that he was simply sharing with the group. I have a sneaking suspicion that he might be right.  

Or instagram - wow, the debates we had about that already. But while for my formative years I was just taking over her way of thinking, this has changed in recent years, and at least to a certain degree I do not see anymore why I should NOT express my appreciation, how appreciating somebody else (even without getting anything back) would belittle myself. Or as my mom would say: Don`t you have any pride or dignity? 

Keeping admiration inside makes me more dignified? And I believed that for years, too!!
What a nunsense, really!

I am an expressive person, if it comes to appreciation, if I follow my instincts, so why always always fighting those instincts? Love or admiration or appreciation of somebody does not come with a pricetag, not in my world. 
I give it and show it because I feel it inside and it is a good way of feeling about somebody else, and why not letting them know they are appreciated for their work? 

Does that make me less valuable and worthy? 
Honestly, yes, some people might actually think so and act accordingly. But those are not people for me or who match my frequency. Surely at some point it is nice to get something back, but primarily, this appreciation is unconditioned and unconditional and that is how it is supposed to be and when it makes me feel good. 

Maybe that is where my Sagittarius-nature comes out or even my DRaconic Pisces-Aries-mix. BTW my Sun is on my parent`s composite Chiron, they both have it in Sag. my mom`s Chiron on 29 SAg (my DAd`s on 18 SAg), so I guess my Sun-Mercury is a real challenge for her. Neither of my parents have any real SAgittarius-traits or planets. 

And then they have two children with stellia in SAg, me with Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC and Sun-Mercury, and my youngest brother with Neptune on the MC and then of course Moon-Jupiter-Uranus in Sag right on my Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC. 

So yeah, a challenge I think. 


But speaking for myself, it just feels more naturally to say what is on my mind, and sometimes that is something like: "I was so completely overwhelmed by the energy you exuded on stage, that I am still recovering from it. Awesome job!" 

And yes I am aware that you are not supposed to say something like that out loud, but I am just tired of always keeping it all bottled up inside, and I mean it was something good, right? there are of course limits to what I would say.  



Hmm, Tr Chiron is on my IC right around now. lol

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

I hope I can fix it in my brain, what you said about Chiron and striking out on our own. It just makes perfect sense.

I don't quite understand your mother's point of view about being very much into musicals/the arts, there have always been patrons of the arts, including royalty. But parents tend to feel guilty if our children seem to get into anything that appears as a "rut," or inertia, some repetitive habit that's not exactly productive. But it's all relative. My habit of looking at chart after chart is probably the height of time-wasting in most people's opinion. Yet I think they are wasting time reading newspapers or playing golf. Who's to say what anyone should do?

Moon-Mars on the NN in Cancer today...everyone just follow your bliss, K?



I think it's fascinating your sun is on your parents' comp Chiron.

My parents' comp had 10 Gem Chiron opp 9 Sag Mars-Psyche. My paternal grandmother's sun @ 9 Gem, noon chart, and my parents' relationship was a pain to her. My sister's draconic sun @ 10 Gem (conjunct Mercury and the moon as I said above). Well I guess this is off topic, and I can't really speak of how my parents' relationship affected my sister anyway as she is 9 years older than me, so all her formative experiences took place before I arrived.

Oh speaking of Sag Mars though...

"But speaking for myself, it just feels more naturally to say what is on my mind, and sometimes that is something like: "I was so completely overwhelmed by the energy you exuded on stage, that I am still recovering from it. Awesome job!"
And yes I am aware that you are not supposed to say something like that out loud.."

My Sag Venus is wondering who out there is judging us when we speak this way.

Yeah I guess I don't care because there is no pleasing everyone.

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Thanks for the responses sorry it took me a while to come back. In the days leading up to the exact opposition I felt very tense and agigtated, getting annoyed over silly things. I was also frustrated with my bf in those few days but showing it in a I guess non direct way. He could tell something was up and kept asking me whats wrong so I just wrote him an email with my "issues" and tbh doing that i felt alot better about that area. Things that were not completely his fault but in more in the ways things were handled.

I was also feeling some frustrations at work and showing it in a way as well(was complaining to one colleague im closer to). The night of the opposition(it happened it the middle of the night) I had thought about how I might be coming across and didnt thing it would be as positive as i may like. So the next day I was more positive on things(i think so anyway lol) in how I came across. I also met my new boss and I came home that day in a more upbeat mood.

The following day after that I had a visitor(a relative) that im close to but who I havent seen in a while as they live abroad. I found out that they had some health issues recently, in relation to scarring (they had some follow up appointments and it hasnt worsened) but the scarring they have that is there I understand is permanent.

I did have a dream that night, i kind of expected that I would. It was night time and i was walking on some grass and i could feel something behind me. Someone was buried underground under the grass just below the surface and the sat up( it was someone with a long hair/beard kind of viking/norse character. When i woke up I did look at the time then the transits and i had been having the opposition at 37'. The opposition just happened before chiron entered my 6th I guess it is like in this case it meant bringing things to surface. It will exact opposite again when it goes retro so will see.

My LR 6th had chiron in it and I took some time off to take care of my son as he got sick and couldnt go to daycare. Hes better now. Also the last time LR chiron was in the 6th he was unwell then too which we had to take time off.

I do think sometimes chiron relates to pain/responsibility brought by other people too(not necessarily intentionally), but also that we have to go through some tears sometimes to benefit something. I dont know. Jury is still out on what it means though for me.

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[Ava]

Thanks vg , I love how you remember and capture so many details. Glad there were no serious bad effects -- that is a really creepy dream though.

I'll have an exact sun-Chiron square in my SR chart in 2024; if this forum is still here I will try and report back.

[lumina]

Very interesting and detailed description, thanks for that vg

Ava ,

I`ve been throught these solar returns


last year`s SR:
Sun: 25°56 Sag
Chiron: 24°23 Pisces


this year:
Chiron: 27°56 Pisces


Actually this year it is closer in P`s SR
Sun 26°58 Sag
Chiron 27°56 Pisces