Post by lumina on May 28, 2019 10:40:48 GMT
Well, it seems that authors cannot agree on how to call them. lol
I am not talking about the 12th harmonic chart however, but about this here
Been reading this article, and it is interesting esp. in terms of synastric applications (not sure I would follow the twinsoul-train-of-thought-though)
Unfortunately the author calls the sub-divison Dwads, while others call it duads, but it is what is meant int he table.
revpamcrane.weebly.com/the-dwad.html
For erecting a real Dwad-chart, the time of birth should be close to exact, as there would be a difference in degrees, for example the sun moves 1 degree per day, which can make a difference of 12 degrees in the Dwad-chart.
for the calculation it is rather easy so, you determine which Dwad/Duad-sign your planet falls in, and then for every 5 minutes into that sign, you add one degree in the Dwad chart
For example: my Venus is on 6°07 Capricorn
At 5°00 Capricorn the Dwad of Pisces starts. So my Venus is 1°07 or 67 minutes into that sign. 67 divided by 5 is approximately 13, so my Dwad Venus is on 13 Pisces (a degree that seems to be highly sensitive in men, it is weird how many of those I have connected with had their Venus or pr Venus on 13-15 Pisces.
That is for the calculation, but well I also wanted to share this little essay that I just stumbled across in the depth of my computer, and that I wrote in 2012. It is seriously fascinating what kind of examples I picked, as this was before I even knew about P and the woman who was going to be his wife. But I actually picked her Mercury as example. LOL And when picking my natal Pluto/ Dwad/ Duad Sun as example, of course I did not know that her Sun would be exactly opposing this, or that the Italian person of interest has a Duad Sun conjunct my own! Or that P has his Duad Sun conjunct his natal Pluto, too, albeit a bit further in the sign.
mine is D-Sun 11 Libra conjunct natal Pluto 9 Libra
his is D-Sun 23 Libra (on his Draco ASC) conjunct natal Pluto 21 Libra
But anyway so these were my thoughts from 7 years ago, A Saturn cycle
"Duads – Their application to the chart
Positions of Radix and Duads
Applying Duads to the Radix chart is like you are directing a magnifying glass onto a certain sign.
While the planets in the same sign always share basic traits of that sign, there still can be certain modifications of that expression be observed.
Though these modifications have other reasons, too (different aspect picture, houseposition, parallels etc.), I want to focus on the Duads here.
It can be said that Duads colour the expression of the particular sign, adding another nuance.
Example:
A mercury in Aries communicates in direct and sometimes bold ways; he tends to speak first, think later, and especially doesn´t he have concern about other people´s thoughts or how his ideas are received, when he is fired up mentally.
If this Mercury is in Sagittarius Duad (20°-22°30 Aries) , this kind of enthusiasm and directness gets even more emphasized and he might even offend other people with the vehemence he is expressing his ideas that might make them feel as if they have been run over by a train (of thought).
However if his Mercury is in Libra Duad (15°00-17°30 Aries) things are a bit different. He is still direct and straightforward in his enthusiasm, but the Libra influence softens his edges considerably and adds grace and charm to his way of communicating. He will be able to bring his point across in a more diplomatic manner.
But the Duads are not just simply an “addition” to the Radix position. It seems rather that they represent something that is “inside” or “underneath” the exterior – and dominan- expression of the sign qualities.
Example:
In my chart Venus is in Capricorn and Pisces Duad.
I certainly relate to others in a quiet, controlled, reliable way and may seem pretty selfsufficient and as having high standards.
Even though this is true, it doesn´t tell all of the story. Undertneath that rather pragmatic, careful and apparently realistic kind of relating style, the dreams of and desire for Romance and soulbound relating are boundless.
It is almost as if the Saturnian reasonable, grounded approach protects a hidden vulnerability and idealism.
In that respect the Duad chart on its own would describe a more internal personality, though it has to be seen in context of the Radix planets, which of course play lead guitar!
Staying with my chart as example:
My Radix has Sun in Sagittarius in 1st house conjunct Mercury, while my Duad Sun is in Libra in 8th house. (equal houses for Duad chart).
I am that honest, idealistic analytic, independent person that my Sun describes, for sure.
But when you look a little closer, youll see that there`s something else behind it. Inside I am much more relationship oriented than the constellation of my Radix Sun makes obvious.
Since Mercury is in Libra Duad conjunct Duad SN, which resonates with Radix SN in Gemini conjunct DESC, it is clear why I am so interested and compelled to the field of synastry; analyzing relationships using astrology is just MY thing.
Another interesting aspect is how inside my 2nd house Aquarius Moon “hides” a Moon in Leo Duad exactly conjunct Duad DESC.
Conjunctions between Radix and Duads
These conjunctions represent meeting points and the Radix position acts as a portal or channel to allow direct access to the Duads.
Example:
My Radix Pluto on 9 Libra conjuncts my Duad Sun on 11 Libra
Whenever something touches my Pluto, it also triggers my Duad Sun.
The relationship between Radix planet and Duad planet on the same position in the zodiac is similar to the musical theory of overtones.
If one basic note is hit, it will sound loudly, but simultaneiously an overtone will start to resonate and hum, too, though more in the background (it is only a metaphor here; as the actual theory of overtones probably relates more directly to the astrological harmonics, but as metaphor it will suffice).
Now you have to listen closely to discern the overtone from the basic note, but you will certainly experience it on an emotional level. You will feel it. Both – basic note and overtone- create the whole experience of the sound.
Without the overtone a note would feel flat and onedimensional. Without the basic note you probably would not even hear the overtone, or just very very quietly.
The vibration of note and overtone give a feeling of fullness, completeness. You don´t know what it exactly is that you hear, but both create the acoustic experience and work together as unit, with the Radix position in the foreground taking the lead, while the Duad hums in the background.
Coming back to my example:
It is through Pluto and plutonic experiences that I access my “background note/ identity”. If someone else puts a personal planet onto it, he would trigger my Duad Sun and I feel a vague hard to grasp sense of identification with him, which may surprise me, especially if his Sun doesn´t vibe with my Radix Sun.
There might be a deep resonance with their Radix planet on my Duad Sun, though not easy to consciously understand or verbalize.
Sometimes the harmonizing is with both, Radix position and Duad position of the same planet.
For example someone else´s Radix Sun on 7°25 Libra vibrates with my Duad Sun on 11 Libra, albeit a bit widely, and my Radix Sun on 26 Sag vibes with his Duad Sun on 29 Sagittarius. In this case both of us might feel as if we really “get” each other, maybe feeling understood completely for the very first time (on the solar level in my example).
There also might be considerable fascination, as the Radix person seems to exhibit very openly and naturally the qualities that the Duad person has inside, and which Is usually taking second place to their own Radix position of the Duad planet that is being triggered.
If this connection of Radix to Duad positions between two charts is made of complimentary energies like Sun and Moon, or Venus and Mars, the attraction might get extremely strong, though sometimes inexplainable.
But to even get to my inner identity (Duad Sun), one has to go through my Radix Pluto first. Thus the conjunctions in my chart means that my Pluto carries a bit of my identity inside or a part of my identity is plutonized. I need kathartic and intense experiences to even feel this inner side of my identity. Therefore my Sun has a bit of a Plutonic feel.
In my case you can´t get one without the other.
So actually if someone aspects my Pluto, it is not a Pluto aspect alone, but it is a Pluto-Sun-aspect that is triggered in me, with a Pluto being very big and obvious, but bringing a much less obvious Sun-quality with it.
"
I am not talking about the 12th harmonic chart however, but about this here
Been reading this article, and it is interesting esp. in terms of synastric applications (not sure I would follow the twinsoul-train-of-thought-though)
Unfortunately the author calls the sub-divison Dwads, while others call it duads, but it is what is meant int he table.
revpamcrane.weebly.com/the-dwad.html
For erecting a real Dwad-chart, the time of birth should be close to exact, as there would be a difference in degrees, for example the sun moves 1 degree per day, which can make a difference of 12 degrees in the Dwad-chart.
for the calculation it is rather easy so, you determine which Dwad/Duad-sign your planet falls in, and then for every 5 minutes into that sign, you add one degree in the Dwad chart
For example: my Venus is on 6°07 Capricorn
At 5°00 Capricorn the Dwad of Pisces starts. So my Venus is 1°07 or 67 minutes into that sign. 67 divided by 5 is approximately 13, so my Dwad Venus is on 13 Pisces (a degree that seems to be highly sensitive in men, it is weird how many of those I have connected with had their Venus or pr Venus on 13-15 Pisces.
That is for the calculation, but well I also wanted to share this little essay that I just stumbled across in the depth of my computer, and that I wrote in 2012. It is seriously fascinating what kind of examples I picked, as this was before I even knew about P and the woman who was going to be his wife. But I actually picked her Mercury as example. LOL And when picking my natal Pluto/ Dwad/ Duad Sun as example, of course I did not know that her Sun would be exactly opposing this, or that the Italian person of interest has a Duad Sun conjunct my own! Or that P has his Duad Sun conjunct his natal Pluto, too, albeit a bit further in the sign.
mine is D-Sun 11 Libra conjunct natal Pluto 9 Libra
his is D-Sun 23 Libra (on his Draco ASC) conjunct natal Pluto 21 Libra
But anyway so these were my thoughts from 7 years ago, A Saturn cycle
"Duads – Their application to the chart
Positions of Radix and Duads
Applying Duads to the Radix chart is like you are directing a magnifying glass onto a certain sign.
While the planets in the same sign always share basic traits of that sign, there still can be certain modifications of that expression be observed.
Though these modifications have other reasons, too (different aspect picture, houseposition, parallels etc.), I want to focus on the Duads here.
It can be said that Duads colour the expression of the particular sign, adding another nuance.
Example:
A mercury in Aries communicates in direct and sometimes bold ways; he tends to speak first, think later, and especially doesn´t he have concern about other people´s thoughts or how his ideas are received, when he is fired up mentally.
If this Mercury is in Sagittarius Duad (20°-22°30 Aries) , this kind of enthusiasm and directness gets even more emphasized and he might even offend other people with the vehemence he is expressing his ideas that might make them feel as if they have been run over by a train (of thought).
However if his Mercury is in Libra Duad (15°00-17°30 Aries) things are a bit different. He is still direct and straightforward in his enthusiasm, but the Libra influence softens his edges considerably and adds grace and charm to his way of communicating. He will be able to bring his point across in a more diplomatic manner.
But the Duads are not just simply an “addition” to the Radix position. It seems rather that they represent something that is “inside” or “underneath” the exterior – and dominan- expression of the sign qualities.
Example:
In my chart Venus is in Capricorn and Pisces Duad.
I certainly relate to others in a quiet, controlled, reliable way and may seem pretty selfsufficient and as having high standards.
Even though this is true, it doesn´t tell all of the story. Undertneath that rather pragmatic, careful and apparently realistic kind of relating style, the dreams of and desire for Romance and soulbound relating are boundless.
It is almost as if the Saturnian reasonable, grounded approach protects a hidden vulnerability and idealism.
In that respect the Duad chart on its own would describe a more internal personality, though it has to be seen in context of the Radix planets, which of course play lead guitar!
Staying with my chart as example:
My Radix has Sun in Sagittarius in 1st house conjunct Mercury, while my Duad Sun is in Libra in 8th house. (equal houses for Duad chart).
I am that honest, idealistic analytic, independent person that my Sun describes, for sure.
But when you look a little closer, youll see that there`s something else behind it. Inside I am much more relationship oriented than the constellation of my Radix Sun makes obvious.
Since Mercury is in Libra Duad conjunct Duad SN, which resonates with Radix SN in Gemini conjunct DESC, it is clear why I am so interested and compelled to the field of synastry; analyzing relationships using astrology is just MY thing.
Another interesting aspect is how inside my 2nd house Aquarius Moon “hides” a Moon in Leo Duad exactly conjunct Duad DESC.
Conjunctions between Radix and Duads
These conjunctions represent meeting points and the Radix position acts as a portal or channel to allow direct access to the Duads.
Example:
My Radix Pluto on 9 Libra conjuncts my Duad Sun on 11 Libra
Whenever something touches my Pluto, it also triggers my Duad Sun.
The relationship between Radix planet and Duad planet on the same position in the zodiac is similar to the musical theory of overtones.
If one basic note is hit, it will sound loudly, but simultaneiously an overtone will start to resonate and hum, too, though more in the background (it is only a metaphor here; as the actual theory of overtones probably relates more directly to the astrological harmonics, but as metaphor it will suffice).
Now you have to listen closely to discern the overtone from the basic note, but you will certainly experience it on an emotional level. You will feel it. Both – basic note and overtone- create the whole experience of the sound.
Without the overtone a note would feel flat and onedimensional. Without the basic note you probably would not even hear the overtone, or just very very quietly.
The vibration of note and overtone give a feeling of fullness, completeness. You don´t know what it exactly is that you hear, but both create the acoustic experience and work together as unit, with the Radix position in the foreground taking the lead, while the Duad hums in the background.
Coming back to my example:
It is through Pluto and plutonic experiences that I access my “background note/ identity”. If someone else puts a personal planet onto it, he would trigger my Duad Sun and I feel a vague hard to grasp sense of identification with him, which may surprise me, especially if his Sun doesn´t vibe with my Radix Sun.
There might be a deep resonance with their Radix planet on my Duad Sun, though not easy to consciously understand or verbalize.
Sometimes the harmonizing is with both, Radix position and Duad position of the same planet.
For example someone else´s Radix Sun on 7°25 Libra vibrates with my Duad Sun on 11 Libra, albeit a bit widely, and my Radix Sun on 26 Sag vibes with his Duad Sun on 29 Sagittarius. In this case both of us might feel as if we really “get” each other, maybe feeling understood completely for the very first time (on the solar level in my example).
There also might be considerable fascination, as the Radix person seems to exhibit very openly and naturally the qualities that the Duad person has inside, and which Is usually taking second place to their own Radix position of the Duad planet that is being triggered.
If this connection of Radix to Duad positions between two charts is made of complimentary energies like Sun and Moon, or Venus and Mars, the attraction might get extremely strong, though sometimes inexplainable.
But to even get to my inner identity (Duad Sun), one has to go through my Radix Pluto first. Thus the conjunctions in my chart means that my Pluto carries a bit of my identity inside or a part of my identity is plutonized. I need kathartic and intense experiences to even feel this inner side of my identity. Therefore my Sun has a bit of a Plutonic feel.
In my case you can´t get one without the other.
So actually if someone aspects my Pluto, it is not a Pluto aspect alone, but it is a Pluto-Sun-aspect that is triggered in me, with a Pluto being very big and obvious, but bringing a much less obvious Sun-quality with it.
"