Transits from tropical to Draconic natal

[lumina]

What do you think about those?
I was also thinking about eclipses, which are per definition related to the nodal axis, aspecting Draco natal (or Draco progressed) planets. 

What are your experiences with those? 

[Ava]

I suppose I could find something but I get tired of talking about my life.

This past full moon was conjunct my draconic sun @ 25 Taurus, and it's been an interesting and eventful time.

Transits to my draconic moon will also be conjunct my tropical Saturn; ditto for many overlaps between my tropical + draco.

What are you finding, lumina?

[lumina]

Ava

I am not sure, but I realized that we will have a total Solar eclipse at the beginning of july, taking place at 10 Cancer, and it just strikes me odd this accumulation of:

p`s and his wife`s composite: NN and Mars on 10 Cancer
our Draco composite: ASC on 10 Cancer
our composite Sun/Moon-mp is around 9-10 Cap

P`s Atropos 10 Cancer
her Sun 8-9 Aries (her Moon might fall in orb to conjunct the eclipse actually, it ranges from 29 Gemini - 12 Cancer that day)
my Pluto 9 Libra


But mostly I found it odd that our Draco composite ASC is falling there (btw our Davison DESC is also near on 11 Cancer)

[lumina]

oh forgot that one, but

in his chart

the midpoint of her and my name is on 10 Capricorn
the midpoint of his and her name is on 10 Libra

Well the Solar Eclipse will also be trine her and my name in his chart (and additionally trine my own Ceres-Jupiter, for what ever that is worth, possibly nothing. lol)

[lumina]

the lunar eclipse that follows, is just partial, but well, just makes me a little nervous with its close conjunction to Pluto.
Also it will fall onto 24 Cap-Cancer, right on P´s Venus (25 Cap), possibly in orb for his natal Juno (27 Cancer) and obviously overlaying his Draco Sun, Moon, MC (25-27 Cancer) and my Draco Pluto-MC (24-28 Cap) on the other side. Not to mention our composite Moon on almost 23 Cap.

and coincidentally I am going to see him 3 days after the eclipse. Again, though this time a lunar eclipse. On the other hand i was intending to see him on the day of the lunar eclipse in july last year, too,a nd he had to cancel (and I was being stung by a bee, which is not my favourite memory. lol).

But anyway, let`s forget about all that, what remains is the fact that the lunar eclipse falls onto his natal Venus, which is at least interesting if nothing else. Hmm I think I will have the same later that year, let me check. oh not quite, in my case it will be a Solar eclipse (on 26th december) conjunct my Venus by about 2 degrees.

[Ava]

All interesting lumina . Fingers crossed that all goes well this summer. I remember getting spooked looking at the July 16th chart. Now, knowing my daughter will be abroad then (as her trip time got moved), it makes me even more nervous, if I let myself dwell on it. Notice I'm not posting that eclipse chart. Not dwelling on it.

"in his chart

the midpoint of her and my name is on 10 Capricorn
the midpoint of his and her name is on 10 Libra"

Hilarious

Well using H's noon chart we have a composite kite w/ moon opp Pluto @ 11° Aries/Libra respectively. But that's got nothing to do with draconic...except draco comp Pallas is @ 11 Libra and if I tried I could scare up more asteroids in the 10° cardinal range, I'll bet I could. Just have too much work to do.

List of eclipses:
cafeastrology.com/eclipsessolarlunar.html

My draconic sun is @ 25 Taurus as I said above:

Prenatal eclipse before I was born:
Nov 18, 1975 5:28 PM Sun 25 Sco 57 Opposition Moon 25 Tau 57(LE)

Prenatal eclipse before my daughter was born:
Nov 19, 2002 8:34 PM Sun 27 Sco 33 Opposition Moon 27 Tau 33(LE)

The prenatal eclipses before my husband and H were born both fell on May 13th, sun @ 22 Taurus. 

This eclipse was significant:
Nov 18, 1994 1:57 AM Sun 25 Sco 42 Opposition Moon 25 Tau 42(LE)

That was just before I got together with my college boyfriend (pivotal time.)

Next eclipses on my draco sun are not too far away:

- Partial lunar eclipse Nov 19 2021 @ 27 Taurus
- Total lunar eclipse May 16 2022 @ 25 Scorpio

[Ava]

Hi lumina

I do like these prenatal eclipses for timing tools, hard not to when I saw the coincidences I listed in my personal life, above. The PEs for both H and my husband were LEs, falling on my nodal axis in you are allowing up to 3° orb. What got me all dorky-excited the first time I checked this was, the date is the exact same: May 13th.

When my husband and I had a fallout when we were just acquaintances, and I wanted to email him to break the ice but was too shy, my coworker absolutely insisted that I send this email. My husband has credited him with getting us together...this coworker's birthday was May 13th.

At the time, our pr comp had his name exactly conjunct Uranus.

"the first eclipse preceding his birth was actually a lunar eclipse, but since we always consider both, and esp. the solar eclipse as starting point, his is on 29 Leo"

I've never looked into those. For me it was @ 10° Scorpio, for my husband and H both it was 9° Taurus. Candid facts before a candid world, I hope it's not going unnoticed how weird this is, especially since I didn't know real astrology until long after I got married.

That 9/10° opposition appears in my composite w/ H, Jupiter @ 9° Taurus, Venus @ 10° Scorpio (using his noon chart). Progressed composite NN @ 9 Scorpio, Jupiter @ 10 Taurus. Pr comp Jupiter hasn't moved much since his pr Jupiter is Rx. In fact his pr Jupiter is sliding backwards into conjunction with my draconic sun/PE. What's interesting is, that perfects about 20 years from now, and at that time his pr sun will be in exact opposition to pr Jupiter.

It's a curious thing, this sun-Jupiter alignment. When this reconnection began, his EVC had a sun-Jupiter conjunction in Leo, and so I started paying attention to his sun-Jupiter combined energy and how that manifests. (Today sun-Mercury is conjunct his Jupiter; great timing for me to discover this building opposition in progression.)

Anyway...

"I read that the eclipses can only trigger change, if there are simultaneous strong aspects from the outer planets to your natal (or progressed?) chart."

My progressed sun @ 28.28 Aqua last year, in a separating square to my PE, but getting hit by this same eclipse you are mentioning in February.

"in february last year there was a Solar eclipse on 27 Aquarius, but I think that was the last one. it was preceding the chat we had after a show (but by a month or so), where he brought up that idea I should book him so he could be singing in my livingroom for me. LOL Little did I know he was REALLY wanting to make that happen in some way at least, I suppose. LOL"

I sort of feel like Aqua eclipses are the royalty of eclipses, since eclipse effects can be so Uranian.

As a side note, by now we should never underestimate P's creative spirit and ability to materialize his dreams. Especially when you are nudging him to. It's like you provide some kind of spark or starter fuel.

"There were no solar eclipses on MY prenatal eclipse btw in between."

Where's that? *consulting eclipse list* Ohhh....I see. Wow, your first post-natal eclipse is right on my SN with only 0.01 orb. Hey there.

"On 14th december 2020 however there will be a total Solar Eclipse on 23 Sagittarius, conjunct my PE on 21 Sag and also my Sun-Mercury (the key planets of my eclipse anyway).
And 2 weeks prior to that a Lunar eclipse on 8 Sag. - Gemini, conjunct my OWN prenatal Lunar eclipse`s on 7 Sag- Gemini; with the LE`s Moon being exact on my natal DESC and I MEAN exact, the orb is 0°00. lol
And of course this is also conjunct my Draconic Moon on 6°56 Gemini."

Oh okay I see now, you did reveal your PE.

Well looking at this I'm reminded of a line from Gwen Stefani's song Misery: "You're in so much trouble."

LOL

But you know, after all this, we still haven't really addressed transits to 15° Aries, which is of mutual interest to both of us, as your sun is there, and my draco Venus is nearby.

There were some eclipses there in the mid-90s if you feel like revisiting that era:

Oct 8, 1995 11:52 AM Sun 14 Lib 53 Opposition Moon 14 Ari 53(LE)
Apr 3, 1996 7:07 PM Sun 14 Ari 31 Opposition Moon 14 Lib 31(LE)

I'm not going over the list with a fine-tooth comb so I may have missed something but found:
Oct 8, 2014 6:50 AM Sun 15 Lib 05 Opposition Moon 15 Ari 05(LE)
Total LUNAR Eclipse 2014 October 8 6:50:34 15 Aries 05

And I guess we're still under the influence of that last eclipse @ 15 Cap.

[lumina]

Ava

"do like these prenatal eclipses for timing tools,"
They really seem to be, don´t they?
I wasn`t even using them as such, but just noticing all those events and developments coming to an important point right around the time of the eclipses, and in particular the prenatal ones being triggered seems to be rather strong.


This 13th may thing is just crazy. Well I use the 3 degree orb, because Celeste Teal suggested it in her book on eclipses, she seems to know quite a bit about those, I think Ema Kurent suggests a 2 degree orb even.


"For me it was @ 10° Scorpio, for my husband and H both it was 9° Taurus."
Again crazy. you are sort of one "destiny group" lol


/ H, Jupiter @ 9° Taurus, Venus @ 10° Scorpio (using his noon chart).
LOVE that, who would not want to have Venus -Jupiter being triggered. OH the benevolence, the deep feelings!


"It's a curious thing, this sun-Jupiter alignment. When this reconnection began, his EVC had a sun-Jupiter conjunction in Leo, and so I started paying attention to his sun-Jupiter combined energy and how that manifests. (Today sun-Mercury is conjunct his Jupiter; great timing for me to discover this building opposition in progression.)
"
Yes, Sun-Jupiter is def. a theme for you, you need to keep an eye on that.




"My progressed sun @ 28.28 Aqua last year, in a separating square to my PE, but getting hit by this same eclipse you are mentioning in February.
"
I think my pr Venus was around there for the eclipses in 2017.







"As a side note, by now we should never underestimate P's creative spirit and ability to materialize his dreams. Especially when you are nudging him to. It's like you provide some kind of spark or starter fuel.
"
LOL Yes, seems so.




, your first post-natal eclipse is right on my SN with only 0.01 orb. Hey there.
"
Hey therte!



But you know, after all this, we still haven't really addressed transits to 15° Aries, which is of mutual interest to both of us, as your sun is there, and my draco Venus is nearby.


You are absolutely right of course! 

hmm the 1005/1996 one - well it might have been around the time I was to P`s hometown, being invited to a wedding, and a nice young gentleman was giving me a ride to the station, and well my parents picked me up there and my mom was complaining about me being so rude and dismissive of that nice gentleman, and that I would never get a man. LOL Seems she was right. 
The young guy was a bit younger than me I think, might just have had his driving licence, and I remember that the car sort of had some trouble in the snowy slopes of that city, and he made me sit in the drivers seat, instructing me to do something, and was basically pushing his car so the motor would start, well he got me safely to the station after all. LOL It was not his fault I was in a deep black hole that year. 

all in all it was not a good year for me though.


as for the 2014 one, on 8th october P was having two solar arcs coming to perfection

sa Neptune conjunct Venus
sa Venus conjunct SN


will elaborate on that in a mail rather or a pm. lol

[Ava]

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[lumina]

Ava

just realizing that my pr Draco Moon is on the verge of changing sign, it will change into Aquarius on friday, and also realizing I am having of course pr Dr Pluto on 1 Aquarius with pr Draco Moon possibly touching that in about a month, and that is where our composite ASC (tropical) is, 1 Aquarius, plus our Draco composite Saturn is on 1 Aquarius as well. 

my solar return for 2021 8startin 2020) will have Moon on 02 Aquarius, Saturn on 00 Aquarius, Jupiter on 29 Cap. Well not sure about the Moon-Saturn-conjunction, that looks like a real damper, at least Jupiter is part of the conjunction, and it is sextile Venus on 2 Sag (3 degrees off my natal Mars), and well the square to my natal Uranus on 1 Scorpio, will possibly be interesting. I wonder if Saturn will stuff down any kind of excitement, or if Uranus will be the stronger one bringing a bit of fresh air into this. But that is of course 2 years away or so. lol 

Just noticed that now I am having my progressed Draco Moon going over that spot in the chart, that will come to the fore again in that future Solar Return

[Ava]

Hi lumina

I have moon conjunct Saturn in my SR for this year and can't say that I notice it.

Your pr draco moon on comp ASC ~ hmm, will have to see if anything happens.

My pr draco moon's @ 4 Pisces. Next year in May, pr draco sun @ 15 Cancer opp my natal sun with pr draco moon @ 18 Pisces conjunct my natal moon. That's pretty cool, the timing on that. Funny to think it was in the design plan all along.

[lumina]

Ava

not noticing in a good or bad way? lol Well I have to say though that while I was dreading it, when Tr Saturn was squaring my Moon, while it was not the easiest time, it was one of the most "real" times and constructive at that. this fell into the time when P was suddenly forcing me to shift my awareness of my Self, and perception of our connection, and well it marked the start of actually communicating, you know, with words and physical presence and such things. lol
Though it was just a subtle beginning, but it layed the foundation.

But then again Tr Saturn was in scorpio, and that means at the time it was squaring my Moon it was ALSO making a grand trine with my Juno and Saturn and was conjunct our composite MC.

So who knows whaat was really responsible?


Actually HE was having a Moon-Saturn-conjunction in his last Solar Return now that I think of it. lol

He was having

SR Saturn 29°49 Sag
SR Moon 1°38 Cap
SR Sun 26°57 Sag
n Moon 28°39 Sag
n MC 28°19 Sag

and of course squaring his

n Saturn 26°42 Virgo
n DESC 25°38 Virgo
SR Chiron 24°24 Pisces

and trine SR Uranus on 24°40 Aries near the 11th house cusp of his SR


Some orbs might be a bit widish, but the Moon-Saturn-symbolism was definitely there, and of course he has the square natally.

also his SR Moon on 1 Cap was trine his natal NN on 1 Virgo as well, and his n Vesta on 2°59 Taurus, it is closish to his natal Mercury/Venus-mp which is around 2°30 Cap or so, though it was even closer to my Mercury/Venus and Sun/Venus-mp and on my Vesta, but well, this is not about me. lol


Anyway I do think, for all the really hard work he was putting into his... work, and after a year, where he was slacking off more than just slightly, well just feels like last year, at least in terms of his career, he found a "direction" and "purpose" again. I am not sure he felt it the year before, but last year must have been a realyl good one, I mean he was coming "home" to his summer-home so to speak, nah, but what I really mean is that he was given the chance to play the role of his dreams, after he had tried out for this some years before, but did not get it, and this time he got the chance, and except for his director, not many could imagine he could pull this off (well I believe he can pull ANYTHING off if he puts his mind to it. lol But I guess I am one of the few ones). And he did, he was I think surpassing even his own expectations, and he was of course proud when he was winning that award (for some reason, no matter how popular he is, he is not awarded much in the business. It is curious.)

And of course at the end of the year, though that might have already been part of his new Solar Return, the ongoing one, he was creating that new showformat so to speak, and I have not heard ONE critical voice in the reviews about it. Not ONE. It is so well received, in a small circle of course, but still. and the concerts are selling pretty well, even for the concert in june of next year there are already at least a third of the tickets sold. So that is pretty good I think.


Anyway so form the outside perspective there was hard work involved but also the reward of it, becuase he did a terrific job and put his energy there.


As for the personal life I have no clue of course.


That is interesting with your Sun-Moon-DW, I wonder if the Draco Sun/Moon-mp will overlay with the tropical Sun/moon-mp at a time that year?

[Ava]

Hi lumina

Well that's interesting about moon-Saturn, I'm glad P has fared well with it. I guess I had that conjunction through the beginning of college (tr Saturn in Pisces) and maybe that's one reason I wanted to drop out. And regret not doing so. Seems I had to learn to steel myself (no Pisces moon hypersensitivity allowed) to get through all the sordid drama I was confronted with.

This year I've gotten reeled into politics, and I thought I was over and done with all that, but extreme situations are claiming my attention. My Cap stellium friend just sent me a super long email full of political observations and it hits the spot, like a massage for my mind, so maybe this is a function of my Cap stellium SR.

Tr Venus in Taurus adds to the savoring of simple earthy delights, like spending a lot of time on one topic, ruminating, slow-baking the topic.

Of course my Ceres @ 1 Gemini is also "eating up" all the sun-Mercury in Gem excesses, at the moment.

"That is interesting with your Sun-Moon-DW, I wonder if the Draco Sun/Moon-mp will overlay with the tropical Sun/moon-mp at a time that year?"

Oh, cool observation. Draco sun-moon MP will be in Taurus squaring natal sun-moon mp in Aqua.

[lumina]

Hi Ava

yes, getting into politics, esp. how it affects the people and nations is definitely apt Moon-Saturn-symbolism. Glad you have a friend with whom you can share those political discussions and observations.

I find it so hilarious that you share a reverse nodal axis with M,a nd also that you both have Ceres at 1 or 0 Gemini. Well HERS is squaring P`s nodal axis, and actually it is opposing her own prenatal eclipse on 1 Sag. Turns out their prenatal eclipses are square each other (hers on 1 Sag, his on 29 Leo).