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Post by Ava on Jan 28, 2019 13:16:13 GMT
Chart for my location: New moon on the Saturn/Neptune midpoint, I think that's extraordinary. Here, the ASC/DSC conjunct last full moon eclipse (on my 0° Leo Saturn), MC conjunct my Jupiter. Tr Mars-Pluto square hitting my 23 Aries Chiron though.......geez. Gotta remember to hold my fire. No life-changing decision within my control ought to have a Mars-Pluto square on my Chiron, the red flag is just too obvious, and I'm either using astrology to help my life or I'm still not getting it.
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Post by Ava on Jan 28, 2019 13:30:05 GMT
Midpoints
Cardinal 1-2°: Venus = Jupiter/Saturn 21-22°: Pluto = Saturn/Node, Juno/Neptune 23-24°: Mars = sun/Venus, moon/Venus 26-27°: Node = Mars/Uranus
Fixed: 15-16°: Sun & moon = Saturn/Neptune 27-28°: Juno = Venus/Mars
Mutable: 18-20°: Jupiter = sun/Mars, moon/Mars
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2019 14:03:51 GMT
Right on my Moon on 17 Aqua. Well Saturn/Neptune could be very good or very nasty. In a good sense it could help materialize some dreams. Maybe it helps that Saturn and Neptune are sextile each other. Venus is on my Vesta and my Sun/Venus and Mercury/Venus-mp and on the Ariespoint of course. Pluto on my Sun/moon and Moon/Mercury-mp Mars on my Mars/Jupiter-mp Node on my Moon/Venus-mp I forgot about the others. Of course it means that my Lunar Return for february is going to have a New Moon. this is my lunar return for february
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2019 14:14:31 GMT
And I wouldn`t want to change with P`s lunar return chart, really not. It`s probably not quite as dramatic as it looks, but well, Saturn-Pluto on the IC, I wouldn´t be too keen on it. Actually it looks a bit like heaven and hell, with all the heaviness there, but at the same time there is of course that nice Venus-Moon-conjunction, Venus being chartruler and the LR ASC falling into his intercepted 7th house natally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 14:15:00 GMT
Since I learned to do it I will now post it all the time 😂🤣 My evc That 7th house looks crazy.
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Post by Ava on Jan 29, 2019 12:55:26 GMT
lumina - Your LR with the new moon on the IC looks like an emotional recharge; I wonder if transiting angles hitting your moon will bring extra emphasis or drama, for that month where your moon is conjunct LR sun and IC. Please live dramatically and report back later. Well it actually looks more introspective with all planets in the lower hemisphere, 3H Pluto ruling the chart. Maybe your absences will be felt or you make an impact with what you don't say? (Leo MC opp new moon). To be honest I haven't put much stock in LR charts, I hardly ever look into mine, and can't list any examples off the top of my head where "The LR chart was just so telling." My current LR is cool though, with Scorpio ASC, Pluto conjunct sun exact in the 2H. Heavy Pluto makes me feel like I am being pressure-cooked, but in the 2H, at least there's some grounding and serious consideration of long-term goals. But this could also just be the regular transit of tr Saturn on my sun, or my SR with moon conjunct Pluto. Anyway, P's Saturn-Pluto on the IC, square 7H Mars, doesn't look too happy, but it's cardinal signs, so there is the will to make the best of it, or pretend at least. But that does look like domestic hardship, maybe partly because of the 3H moon-Venus trine Uranus? Communicating affectionately and openly, however he wants? But I'm in over my head, guessing all over. What do you think? You have a lot more experience with these. @intuitivefish That EVC is impressive, with the big 7H stellium of sun-Uranus-Venus in Aquarius. Is it possible that a whirlwind romance is starting up, something that consumes all your time and is really exciting?
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Post by lumina on Jan 29, 2019 13:34:38 GMT
Avathank you. "your LR with the new moon on the IC looks like an emotional recharge;" Yes, possibly. "I wonder if transiting angles hitting your moon will bring extra emphasis or drama, for that month where your moon is conjunct LR sun and IC." Well that would happen once each day this month, I think there would need to be something else triggering this, like transiting Sun or Moon also making an aspect to the transiting angle on that LR Sun and IC. "Please live dramatically and report back later. " #always. LR ASC falls into my 11th house, conjunct my 3rd house ruler Uranus by 3 degrees, so possibly conversations and group processes playing a role. "3H Pluto ruling the chart." 3 H Pluto can sometimes be a bit, well less compromising than usually. For example the separation from LL happened with 3H Pluto in LR, and there are other similiar examples like that. "To be honest I haven't put much stock in LR charts, I hardly ever look into mine, " That is probably why you don´t put much stock in them. Honestly speaking it is probably the one return-tool, that is the most reliable in my cases. Also often things happen just around the day of the LR, and I noticed that a 3H Moon is often coming up in months with a lot of interconnecting, not just communicating, the other placement that seems to stand out is Moon in 10th or 11th house, and of course on the angles. Also usually the angles of the LR in particular are partile conjunct planets in people`s charts that somehow feature in my lunar return. "My current LR is cool though, with Scorpio ASC, Pluto conjunct sun exact in the 2H. Heavy Pluto makes me feel like I am being pressure-cooked, but in the 2H, at least there's some grounding and serious consideration o" long-term goals. But this could also just be the regular transit of tr Saturn on my sun, or my SR with moon conjunct Pluto. " Of course Return charts are foremost transit charts and bringing the background transits into stronger focus. Sounds intense. You could post your lunar return chart, too. "Anyway, P's Saturn-Pluto on the IC, square 7H Mars, doesn't look too happy, but it's cardinal signs, so there is the will to make the best of it, or pretend at least. But that does look like domestic hardship, maybe partly because of the 3H moon-Venus trine Uranus? Communicating affectionately and openly, however he wants? But I'm in over my head, guessing all over. What do you think? You have a lot more experience with these. " Yeah, noticed that, too. some sort of inner conflict going on there, maybe needing an outlet. But we`ll see.
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Post by Ava on Jan 29, 2019 16:19:49 GMT
Thanks for the feedback and insights, lumina. You could post your lunar return chart, too. Edit: Actually the more I look at my next two LR charts, I am a little concerned about something possibly seriously negative happening, hopefully just being a novice, and superstitious. But I was laughing it off at first....now I am not really sure if it could be a laughing matter. So I'll just wait and see with this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:24:15 GMT
@intuitivefish That EVC is impressive, with the big 7H stellium of sun-Uranus-Venus in Aquarius. Is it possible that a whirlwind romance is starting up, something that consumes all your time and is really exciting? AvaI am not sure though, since there is no new man in my life and the one that was in my life well its complicated and I think it cannot start up in that way that soon even if it were to be over a period of a month, not sure, too complicated.
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Post by lumina on Jan 29, 2019 19:08:09 GMT
Ava nah, nothing to get scared of. It`s just a chart for a month, the lunar return. Well you are undergoing very major transits currently, You have been through the Pluto transit to your Sun, and having it come up in a lunar return exactly maybe means that something from that time is up for "revision" or just reminiscent of that, usually it is the planets though, that are angular in the lunar return AND aspecting the Moon closely that are carrying the "weight and meaning". Also you are undergoing that transit of Neptune to Moon, and possibly the lunar return, in which the transit is either partile or coming to conjunct an angle, will simply point at the month, when the effect will be most evident. Nothing to worry really though. Well I mean, in 2006 I was having Tr Pluto conjunct my Sun (and MErcury) exact, Tr Neptune conjunct my Moon, Tr Uranus on my Jupiter/Juno-mp (moving back and forth between Jupiter and Juno). It was when I first saw P (and him me, albeit there was no communication on that open air). Well at that time of the "first glance" I was also having sa Pluto semisquare Sun 0°12 s (mirroring the Pluto-Sun-transit which was exact that month) sa Pluto trine Jupiter 0°05a sa ASC square Pluto 0°01 a (hilariously my sa ASC was exactly square HIS n Pluto a few months ago in july/ august 2018) sa MC= Mars/Pluto 0°06a sa Venus = Pluto/AC 0°07s sa Mars = Pluto/MC 0°11 s Sa Saturn = Uranus/ASC 0°11 a sa Neptune = Moon/ASC 0°05a sa Node = Moon/ASC 0°12 s my pr Moon was on 6°30 Aries back then as I just see, hmm, now my pr Moon is moving through Libra, and will be at that exact degree in Libra in april. But anyway even with transit Pluto on my Sun and Transit Neptune on my Moon (to be honest when I first saw him, Tr Neptune was closer and actually exact on my Atropos, 1-2 degrees off the Moon), there was nothing desastrous or catastrophic about that year. It was a very important lifechanging year, not just because of P. Honestly speaking as jolted as I was back then, I did not REALLY realize the impact, or rather pushed it back, and I did not see him again until 2 years later, when we actually met (with talking I mean. lol). I was undergoing a lot of soul-"purging" though that year, addressing, pulling from under the carpet, old emotional residue, beliefs etc and they were pushing for reevaluation (esp. my denial of them. lol). oh it was also the year I came to LL. No matter how it ended, I definitely call THAT a fated meeting. lol (and it was a great connection until it wasn`t anymore). But yeah, I do remember, that I was scared shitless in particular of the Pluto-Sun-transit before, basically thinking I was going to die. lol I mean the nagging thought was really persistent, but well death does not always means, the own physical death, even though I have certainly been not the same after the transit as I was before, and the symbol of death was curiously there, too. Just remember that I stumbled across something a certain musician/ performer did, an independent theatre-experience, and one of the most gruesome parts of it, albeit done in that melancholic-romantic-sense almost, was that he was getting ripped out his heart from his chest by his lover, every freaking night on stage. I wonder how THAT felt for HIM! (Well Tr Pluto was conjunct his Sun as well - and nope, it wasn`t P; but somebody else). But yeah that was definitely Pluto-Sun being active (in a luckily creative way, not a physical one ). of course today with more years of experience under my belt I know that any Neptune-transit is much more to be feared than any other planet. LOL Before it gives you that magic feeling, Neptune usually numbs everything. and dissolves, whatever it touches, and you know something is off, or weird, or whatever, but you are feeling like crawling through fog, nothing is really clear. At least with Pluto you know where the crap comes from (from under the carpet usually, or the underworld of your feeling/ past/ etc.), but with Neptune, it is like sleepwalking. Though I have had some interesting dreams, and seriously magic experiences with Neptune along, but only after spending some time with it and adopting a let-it-come-let-it-go attitude. Sorry for my ranting, but well, also I just realized that there is quite some theme emerging in the overview of the time I was crossing paths with P for the first time. So much Pluto that year! LOL
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Post by Ava on Jan 29, 2019 21:57:56 GMT
Hi lumina , Thanks for taking the time to soothe my fears. "there was nothing desastrous or catastrophic about that year" Well you had SA Pluto trine Jupiter so, like a guardian angel, only it was a whole planet. Guardian planet. Tr Pluto on my sun was honestly like nothing. No big deal at all. I think the transiting conjunction might not hold a candle to the natal square in intensity? And I've been there, done that, and always do that. A few things are concerning me, I won't go into all of them, but the LR for March has a packed 8th house in Pisces, and I worry about family deaths, definitely always a possibility when your family is old like mine and also enormous. Specifically I worry about my Pisces luminary family members for some reason, even though it's MY lunar return, not theirs. But my Pisces uncle is very old and my brother keeps mentioning him, so it feels like "a sign." Not going to dwell on it but I think things DO rev up in the supernatural sense in March. Last March was mind-blowing for me. This March looks even moreso, according to the LR.
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Post by anela on Jan 30, 2019 6:30:04 GMT
Going by this, for me: oops, the other chart you posted. Sun/Moon conjunct my IC, sextile Neptune. Mercury sextile Mercury and my Ceres/Chiron/Sun. Jupiter trine Mercury and MC. Venus sextile Uranus/ascendant. Sextile mars in Pisces. Mars conjunct my Ceres/Chiron/Sun and widely my Mercury. That must be partly what I'm feeling. Saturn opposed my Saturn, but past it a few degrees. Inconjunct my MC? I had no idea it had moved that far already. Square my Mercury by 4 degrees. yay. Uranus both conjunct my ceres/chiron/Sun and descendant widely. Pluto in a square to mercury but moving away from it. Moving towards my ceres/chiron/sun. I just whimpered a bit. Nodes square ceres/chiron/sun. vertex conjunct my own by 2 degrees. Chiron sextile moon/venus/SN. ceres conjunct NN, square Mars. trine Jupiter. opposed moon/venus/SN. Vesta conjunct my own Vesta and Mars, square moon/venus/SN, trine Uranus/ascendant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 3:18:08 GMT
I've been feeling like a truck has mowed me over this week and now it all makes sense, New Moon alighting on my natal Moon at 0°45
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Post by Ava on Feb 2, 2019 14:06:24 GMT
Ugh, hope you feel better athena, once the new moon gets underway. anela"Pluto in a square to mercury but moving away from it. Moving towards my ceres/chiron/sun. I just whimpered a bit." That does look dreadful. Might bring positive transformation, though? I mean, even if you hit rock bottom, there's nowhere to go but upwards after that. Tr Pluto squaring my natal Chiron, well I feel tough after Pluto left my sun behind, like "Oh hey, I can handle stuff" but if anyone knew my frame of mind at certain moments these past few weeks, they'd see how fragile I am, vulnerable to my own demons still, and only finding relief in my ability to zone out and go numb when worries pile up too high. --- This cold snap gives me cabin fever and I haven't set any intentions for the new moon, because I am just trying to survive, grin and bear it (I loathe cold weather). Well if anything I'm setting my jaw about "I have to move someplace warmer" and keep saying that to my husband but so far he's not budging either. It's like everything is frozen, from the driveway to our mentalities. *shrug*
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Post by anela on Feb 3, 2019 4:44:48 GMT
I was unfriended by someone I've known since I was two, after she got into an argument on my facebook page, with another friend. I didn't see any of it - I had a problem with my foot and ankle feeling like they were going numb, on the way home from a quick trip to a couple of stores. We stopped at the DVd place for movies, dad walked one of the dogs, I got in the shower, and I was about to put in one of the movies, when I quickly checked FB and found all of that.
I can't win, even when I'm not the one arguing. What the freaking f&*k??? So much for a quieter February.
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Post by anela on Feb 3, 2019 5:07:44 GMT
And she blocked me. I hate everything. I'm so sick of this crap.
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Post by Ava on Feb 3, 2019 13:09:27 GMT
I was unfriended by someone I've known since I was two, after she got into an argument on my facebook page, with another friend. Hope she comes to her senses later. Though to be honest if someone unfriended me for that, at this point in my life I think I wouldn't even care. I'm battle-hardened on the internet's war grounds, and almost nothing online even surprises me anymore, because people don't completely understand each other here.
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Post by lumina on Feb 3, 2019 22:27:18 GMT
my evc with the New Moon his evc with the New Moon just thought it was funny how his Sun-Moon coincides/ collides with my Sun-Mercury-(Ceres): lol
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Post by Ava on Feb 4, 2019 13:01:09 GMT
^ Is stelliums a word? Or is it stellia? lumina , strange how you & P have so many planets clustered together. New moon and draco new moon (18 Libra) grand trine my 16 Gem Mars and I was talking too much yesterday. Well I'm out of my comfort zone talking about occultic topics but my daughter and her friend were asking me questions. I guess if I didn't habitually keep those things quiet, there wouldn't be so much to say once I'm in the mood. So I console myself that I'm not always like that. Tr moon in Aqua going over my Mercury was probably a factor. Horoscopes:
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Post by lumina on Feb 4, 2019 14:25:29 GMT
Ava stellia would be the word. interesting what you were mentioning about talking, my Dad was asking me 2 days ago or so about what an ASC really is, and my mom was partly helping out, partly listening. I do not remember my dad having ever asked me about it, and I was quite surprised, because as far as I see it my Dad knows EVERYTHING (Aqua Sun, Virgo ASC conjunct Saturn trine the chartruler Mercury in Cap. He just really knows everything. Period. lol) But they apparently were watching some documentary (probably about how astrology has it all wrong, because astronomers simply fail to understand the difference and that the zodiac astrologers used to refer to, was more or less symbolic to make it easier for people to connect to, but that what they REALLY did was splitting the circle into 12 equal parts, just calling them the zodiac names for reasons of simplicity, but they could have just given them numbers as it would happen in this day and age, but that the tropical zodiac astrologers use simply is just a measuring circle around age and NOT the real astronomical zodiac with the starsigns, the constellations. Though of course there are different branches of astrology I know. lol) and in that documentary the ASC was being mentioned but not explained (bad research in my book, if I name something I have to at least give the definition, especially if it is not common knowledge.) But yes, it is only very rarely I am talking astrology outside the online world. I sometimes do, but it has been a sore spot in my youth with my mother in particular, until she realized I do it the "scientific way", which apparently is better than another way. lol Well she also once asked me to look into the chart of a friend of hers, for a birthday gift, but I came back with posing some very personal questions to my Mom about her friend, and if she REALLY wanted me to do a horoscope. Well my Mom retracted it, and was pretty shocked because of the direction of the questions I was asking, as her friend just had started to open up to her about those things. The chart was just screaming trauma, to be honest. Trauma, well hidden under a perfect glossing surface, and what I saw did not seem to fit the image the woman presented, and I was thinking I was messing up the astrology, so I was asking my mom. She would´n`t get into detail, but we agreed that we better did not poke in those sore spots of her friend.
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