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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 6, 2018 15:08:45 GMT
Getting to know people is a journey that's never quite finished. However, if you look closely, you might see some patterns there.
I've noticed that people get to know each other through the angles of their chart. Here's how it goes (IME):
Stage 1: Your public persona - the MC. The you that is at the highest, brightest, most visible point of your chart. Sometimes this is all they get to see (if you stay acquaintances and don't progress to a deeper connection).
The first thing people notice about me is obviously the Sag MC square Venus-Jupiter. I seem really upbeat, cheerful, funny, outgoing. Carrying out impossibly large plans, getting everybody involved, etc. Typical Venus-Jupiter stuff.
Stage 2: Your everyday persona - the Ascendant. This is the you that gets cranky when you don't get your mug of coffee. The you that stops by the water cooler to chat about your day. The you that is a dressed-down, more relaxed but also a slightly more complicated version. The you that reacts to the environment, the people around you. The you that voices personal opinions.
For me, that's Moon-Asc in Aqua square Pluto. To be honest, the Pluto square doesn't rear its head until stage 3. But the moony part is in full force. It's a very quiet, receptive, moody energy - drastically different from the constant cheerfulness they were used to if they only knew me in "groups".
Stage 3: Your "partnership" persona - the Descendant. This shows itself when you've established a one on one relationship with somebody. The Descendant is how they act with not only their "significant other" but also any interpersonal relationships (including platonic ones).
Leo Dsc square Pluto is quite the drama queen, as you might imagine. Needing a LOT of attention, but also showering loved ones with that fixed, steady attention, admiration and devotion. Easily going over the top, possibly demanding. Ha. Not so attractive anymore, am I?
Stage 4: Your comfort zone - the IC. It is at this stage when they're finally "IN". They've made it to your inner circle. When you let your guard down, and they see you at your most relaxed, most intimate. This is how you make breakfast, how you behave when you dine with family. What you're like when you're just sitting at home, slouched on the couch. The you that has no need for validation or vetting.
Gemini IC (naturally also square Venus-Jupiter) is the chattiest Kathy in town. I am literally never done talking (to people that are close to me). Gemini, like Virgo, revels in minutiae, and to me, that's incredibly comforting. Knowing and sharing the minutiae of our lives.
...Buuuuut it's not over yet. This goes on in cycles as you get re-introduced to those parts with the knowledge you now have, and deepen your understanding of them. You see these facets of them in different situations, different 'stages' of life. And so the relationship deepens and grows...
This is more or less anecdotal, from the limited amount of data I have. Can't get everybody's birth times, sadly.
What do you think about this theory? What do your experiences say? How does it play out for you (and people you've known)?
P.S. Feels awkward to talk about all that, but I figured examples were necessary. Might erase later.
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Post by lumina on Nov 6, 2018 17:37:52 GMT
That is great, 12YearsABlob , totally agree! hmm MC in Libra conjunct Pluto, square Venus in Capricorn ASC in Sag conjunct Mars (12th house), Neptune (1st house) and NN, square Jupiter in 3rd house DESC in Gemini conjunct SN and obviously sqare Jupiter and oppose Mars-Neptune on the ASC, also trines Pluto in Libra if that counts and Pallas in Aqua IC in Aries conjunct some asteroids, opposing Pluto on MC, square Venus, trine Mars most tightly |
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Post by anela on Nov 6, 2018 17:39:12 GMT
I think that works for me, too. Leo MC: I'm not that dressy (although sometimes I wish I could be), but people used to get my warmth, wanting everyone to feel comfortable.
Scorpio ascendant: Also needing time to myself, used to be very private. Not wanting to burden people with things they could do nothing about.
Taurus descendant: I like to feed people, but not to be obligated to it (I see my Aries Sun in these things too, though). My friendships are just as important to me, as romantic relationships are to other people. Every year, it bugs me more and more, when people prioritize boyfriends/girlfriends, and not their family and friends.
Aquarius IC (with Pisces Mars): I don't know. I'm tired, my dog woke me up at 6:30, chasing a cat over me, and I had trouble sleeping after that. I have benadryl in me, too. Ugh.
Oh, MC is trine Jupiter, Mercury, and Neptune.
IC aspects the same.
Ascendant is conjunct Uranus, and trine Pisces Mars.
Descendant is right around my Moon/Jupiter and Venus/juputer midpoint. I think.
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Post by anela on Nov 6, 2018 17:42:12 GMT
Yes I do think people's first impression of me might be "Aries" because I am just keeping it light...sometimes I seem out of sync with the crowd which hints at the fact that I fight the status quo. I also feel like I have this Pollyanna air about me. When people seem to take issue with it, my Cap sun square Pluto is laughing in the back room of my mind. This is totally a game of playing with perceptions. Yes, public life is like a playground to me. Oh, I miss being a pollyanna. |
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Post by lumina on Nov 6, 2018 17:44:47 GMT
Aquarius IC (with Pisces Mars): The importance of friends is indicated here, too, with Pisces also there, I suppose more relating to some sort of soul-family, or spiritual family, or friends are considered to be family, or at least wanting that very close bond to your friends. Sometimes Aqua IC is also an unusual home as in unusual circumstances of living, like living on a boat, or together with friends, or even living together with family even if being grown up, many many possibilities actually. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 6, 2018 18:17:50 GMT
Ava , Thank you! I just feel kinda silly writing that, lol. Will keep it up though.
Does Leo Asc, like Sun-Asc aspects, introduce an inner need for authenticity? Like an inner directive to present yourself authentically to the world. But having Pluto involved with the Sun complicates it, because that operates in private, with the feeling that "the real me is too dark for you, so I better keep it light"(?)
lumina , Thanks for your input. That's really cool. You know, back at The Other Place, I thought you were kind but firm, and fair. There was a quiet, no-BS vibe that wasn't in-your-face. Fits so well with Libra MC conjunct Pluto (square Cap Venus).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 6, 2018 18:19:00 GMT
The importance of friends is indicated here, too, with Pisces also there, I suppose more relating to some sort of soul-family, or spiritual family, or friends are considered to be family, or at least wanting that very close bond to your friends. Sometimes Aqua IC is also an unusual home as in unusual circumstances of living, like living on a boat, or together with friends, or even living together with family even if being grown up, many many possibilities actually. ^Yes.
Also, anela , I believe those two signs are the most involved with their animal friends. I know how attached you were to your dog. |
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Post by lumina on Nov 6, 2018 18:32:22 GMT
I meant to Point Out the animal Friends, too, but Then forgot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
12YearsABlob , such an enjoyable and interesting thread ! Thanks  .
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 6, 2018 23:01:07 GMT
Thanks, @astrokeen. |
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Post by lumina on Nov 7, 2018 6:28:32 GMT
12YearsABlob thanks for the feedback. Well I`ve been unsure how the Pluto shows in my chart for years, but I think you´re right, it`s also very evident in dealing with pupils I guess. I am definitely all for "hearing the other side", but zero tolerance for dishonesty, disrespect (of me or others), manipulation-games, the blame-game etc. Oh and I practically never raise my voice, I just don´t need to (and consider yelling as a sign of weakness anyway); pupils sometimes have remarked on a certain look in my eyes though, and most are clever enough to realize that this is a "you better not go any further with that nunsense now"-look.  Oh and I sometimes diseappear in full view (from my colleagues), I do like to socialize but at some times it`s like I disappear into another dimension while being in the same room. Most realize this is a "I need my space and quiet time now"-thing and stay mostly away, except the Libras and Scorpios, who feel for some reason that this exactly the time they should be approaching me. Oh and a certain Gemini, who will just never shut up. She`s a lovely colleague though, so she shall be forgiven.
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Post by whisperix on Nov 7, 2018 9:23:57 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 7, 2018 11:07:37 GMT
12YearsABlob thanks for the feedback. Well I`ve been unsure how the Pluto shows in my chart for years, but I think you´re right, it`s also very evident in dealing with pupils I guess. I am definitely all for "hearing the other side", but zero tolerance for dishonesty, disrespect (of me or others), manipulation-games, the blame-game etc. Oh and I practically never raise my voice, I just don´t need to (and consider yelling as a sign of weakness anyway); pupils sometimes have remarked on a certain look in my eyes though, and most are clever enough to realize that this is a "you better not go any further with that nunsense now"-look. Yep, that's Pluto on the angles alright. The intimidation factor. Pretty cool superpower to have. You can change everything with your vibe. No words necessary. Oh and I sometimes diseappear in full view (from my colleagues), I do like to socialize but at some times it`s like I disappear into another dimension while being in the same room. Most realize this is a "I need my space and quiet time now"-thing and stay mostly away, except the Libras and Scorpios, who feel for some reason that this exactly the time they should be approaching me. Oh and a certain Gemini, who will just never shut up. She`s a lovely colleague though, so she shall be forgiven. Haha! They just lowkey love that energy. |
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Post by the89freespirit on Nov 9, 2018 16:41:30 GMT
I really love this, 12YearsABlob . The idea that the Midheaven, not the Ascendant, is the actual first impression feels pretty spot-on. I do think that the Midheaven is the actual "mask" of the chart because we usually know that we're doing it. It's most obvious, as well. I have a Scorpio Midheaven sextile Venus. I do notice that I can be intimidating to people who don't really know me. But, that is because I focus on developing and expressing my power/depth/insights into people. I am also a real mystery in my public dealings (I'm the rare Millennial to have no social media at all). I like being an enigma that has to be figured out. With Venus sextile my Midheaven, people do generally see me as really nice, though, even if I freak the same people out. I try to keep it classy and relate to people well. When people first get to know me, I feel like I get two extremes: either I make them really nervous or they think I'm the sweetest person ever (neither of which is exactly warranted  ). I do also think being seen as particularly good-looking (Venus) plays into those reactions, as well: intimidating people or being idealized by them. Meanwhile, the Ascendant is who you are, the natural sense of self beyond the mask. As an Aquarius Rising, I am that cool, aloof individual but I am also zany, random, and a big dork; not scary or anything at all. I love to laugh. My actual self is airy and light-hearted yet very contradictory. I think I can generally give off something very intimate and interconnected because of my MC (I feel like I go to the opposite Scorpio MC end of the spectrum and share an overwhelming amount about myself online yet there's still so much I don't share) but it's actually not that easy to connect to me. I need a lot of space, more than most, I feel, and I am independent to a fault. I also feel weird and unlike others, so I only build consistent closeness with very few people, all while being cool with most people. It's nice that we have the same Ascendant, 12Years, with lunar energy involved. My Moon is square my Ascendant. I definitely have my moods and I get really in-my-head and distant when dealing with them. I love to observe and reflect. I totally agree with the Leo Descendant thing of being more affectionate and passionate when people get close, as well as more demanding and dramatic (also thanks to actually having a Leo Sun in this house). I have a Taurus Nadir and it's actually the angle that is hardest to understand in terms of how it plays out. I have always been rather lazy and indulgent around the house, eating all the food, wrapping up in a good blanket, laying around for hours just watching good movies or television or listening to music. I just want a little nest that is very chill and quiet. No disturbances, please. I only feel that kind of comfort around people who can be low-key and grounded. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 9, 2018 16:59:30 GMT
Glad you liked it, the89freespirit ! Thanks for the detailed description, makes you come alive here. *high-five*, fellow Aqua Asc. I'd like to pick your brain about the square to the moon someday.
P.S. However, I don't think any of our angles is a 'mask', they're all part of us. Layers that are revealed under different circumstances. You embody that Scorpio MC sextile Venus, from what I've seen. |
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Post by the89freespirit on Nov 9, 2018 17:17:45 GMT
Yes, 12YearsABlob, having the Moon in Scorpio square Aquarius Ascendant is interesting, for sure. I have definitely evolved in my expression of it and don't feel as erratic or volatile as I did several years ago. I used to be completely unpredictable if I was in a particular mood. Now, I process those feelings more quietly and internally yet it still comes off as aloof and odd a la Aquarius. If I'm feeling moody, I just automatically stand out within the room and really throw people off, even when I don't want to. It's kind of annoying, haha.
Also, I do agree with you on that in the sense that the word "mask" can have a negative connotation, like it's something fake or inauthentic. I do think that every angle is a genuine part of you, to some degree or another. I just meant that if one were to call one of the angles a mask, like people do so much with the Ascendant, I would say that the Midheaven is.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 9, 2018 18:07:04 GMT
Yes, 12YearsABlob , having the Moon in Scorpio square Aquarius Ascendant is interesting, for sure. I have definitely evolved in my expression of it and don't feel as erratic or volatile as I did several years ago. I used to be completely unpredictable if I was in a particular mood. Now, I process those feelings more quietly and internally yet it still comes off as aloof and odd a la Aquarius. If I'm feeling moody, I just automatically stand out within the room and really throw people off, even when I don't want to. It's kind of annoying, haha. Ha, interesting. So the square makes it difficult to handle because the way you process feelings and the way you carry yourself are so different (or used to be).. Also, I do agree with you on that in the sense that the word "mask" can have a negative connotation, like it's something fake or inauthentic. I do think that every angle is a genuine part of you, to some degree or another. I just meant that if one were to call one of the angles a mask, like people do so much with the Ascendant, I would say that the Midheaven is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 20:43:40 GMT
i read this thread the first time but had to think about it for a while. I have an angular chart (stellium in 10th, pluto in 7th, chiron on IC). But i feel like a Taurus ASC in every way lol. The way you say stage one is the MC is interesting because everybody seems to suggest the ASC. I think stage 1 is also a bit of ASC because we all want to present ourselves to the larger world in certain way, but we are also on the guard and trying to relate to others every day. Funnily, I only show my taurus ASC if someone is in my face making an actual conversation with me, otherwise, it's all MC. I agree IC is the last part, but you know I have pluto on my desc so I put ppl through the ringers before they get to me. P/S glad to see you writing more threads, 12YearsABlob . I think you should keep writing more ... it almost feels like you have a lot inside you but you just keep them there. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 9, 2018 21:08:23 GMT
Thank you for your input, @theunknown ! i read this thread the first time but had to think about it for a while. I have an angular chart (stellium in 10th, pluto in 7th, chiron on IC). But i feel like a Taurus ASC in every way lol. The way you say stage one is the MC is interesting because everybody seems to suggest the ASC. I think stage 1 is also a bit of ASC because we all want to present ourselves to the larger world in certain way, but we are also on the guard and trying to relate to others every day. Funnily, I only show my taurus ASC if someone is in my face making an actual conversation with me, otherwise, it's all MC. Ha, right - when you're personally involved! What you said rings true - that we also function from our Ascendant when we're trying to relate to people.. I agree IC is the last part, but you know I have pluto on my desc so I put ppl through the ringers before they get to me. *snort* Yeeeeep.  That is only necessary. P/S glad to see you writing more threads, 12YearsABlob . I think you should keep writing more ... it almost feels like you have a lot inside you but you just keep them there. Aah, thank you. I don't know if I have much to say but if it seems like a somewhat coherent idea, I write. Otherwise, I am terribly shy; in spite of Sag MC, lol. Scorp mercury square Saturn - you can imagine. ... But don't worry, most of my ideas are inane. For instance, "your pants will never grow tight if you don't wear any". Stay tuned for more gems like this. |
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Post by Violets on Nov 10, 2018 16:00:19 GMT
I haven't read through the comments yet, but yes, seriously brilliant, 12YearsABlob. Spot on, in my opinion. For me, my Uranus opposite MC can be a little out of people's normal experiences. If they're around me for a while (usually through necessary interaction, partly because I really dislike making plans with people), they experience my Aquarius Mercury opposite Asc, which can also be a little odd. It's usually around the Mercury conjunct Dsc that acquaintances really begin to appreciate hanging out with me. My Uranus conjunct IC in Scorpio is pretty difficult to access, so I prefer to keep most people in my Dsc zone. |
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). I do also think being seen as particularly good-looking (Venus) plays into those reactions, as well: intimidating people or being idealized by them. 
That is only necessary.
