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Post by Ava on Oct 18, 2018 12:43:57 GMT
A nice introduction to the topic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntisciaAnother article: cafeastrology.com/solstice_points_antiscia.htmlBasically: Antiscia = Points that are equidistant from 0° Cancer and 0° Cap (summer and winter solstice) Contrascia = Points that are equidistant from 0° Aries and 0° Libra (vernal and autumnal equinoxes); these oppose the antiscia To obtain a list of these without having to calculate: - At astro.com, select Munich Rhythm Method for the Chart Drawing Style - Click PDF Additional Tables at the top left of the chart - Scroll down to "Antiscia"....the first column is contrascia, second column antiscia
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Post by FruityLlama on Nov 7, 2018 17:26:53 GMT
I see connections mainly between my natal Venus, Saturn and ASC with these. My natal venus is at 8 degrees Aries (My mother's Saturn is the same, exactly conjunct) My antiscion Saturn is 8 deg. Aries too! Ant. Venus 21 Pisces Ant ASC 8 Sag Natal 21 Cancer But then Antiscion Venus exactly trines natal ASC and conjuncts natal Saturn-MC conjunction, whilst Antiscion ASC exactly trines natal Venus and Ant.Saturn! And conjuncts n.Vertex. I don't know what this means though. Ant. Mercury opposes my bf's Sun too. Everything else is in Aquarius basically, so should I probably watch my back around Jan-Feb time?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 7, 2018 19:56:57 GMT
Omg. Mind = blown. My antiscia/contrascia for Moon-Asc is 6°-7° Scorpio/Taurus.
Yep, those are close to some frequently occuring degrees.
For my Sun it's 5°30' Pisces/Virgo, which also makes sense.
Do we count natal aspects to antiscia/contrascia as well? Can you compare somebody's antiscia/contracia to somebody else's natal planets?
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Post by lumina on Nov 7, 2018 20:05:24 GMT
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Post by lumina on Nov 7, 2018 20:16:50 GMT
There are some transits to my chart today via antiscia
Tr Mercury on the antiscion of my Sun/Moon-mp Tr Saturn on the antiscion of my Mercury (and Sun very widely, 1°27) Tr Pluto on the antiscion of my Neptune and NN
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Post by Ava on Nov 7, 2018 22:45:01 GMT
Thank you! Quoting that article: That's interesting...it's automatically a cardinal type of connection. So it stands out?
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Post by Ava on Nov 7, 2018 22:51:03 GMT
My natal venus is at 8 degrees Aries ... My antiscion Saturn is 8 deg. Aries too! There's a mini reading in the article lumina posted, about Venus-Saturn connected through solstice points in the natal. If you care to check that out, I'm wondering if it rings true for you?
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Post by Ava on Nov 7, 2018 23:08:47 GMT
Do we count natal aspects to antiscia/contrascia as well? Can you compare somebody's antiscia/contracia to somebody else's natal planets?
Yes, I think that's significant? Have to learn more. edit
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Post by FruityLlama on Nov 12, 2018 20:32:17 GMT
Ava Hi Faith, I had a look at that link lumina kindly posted. I think it does resonate, in fact it mirrors my 10H Venus placement which I always thought was the key to my missing Venus-Saturn aspect in the natal! I mean like, I always felt my Aries Venus was honed by something and assumed it was the 10H placement. It could also be this antiscia of course. I do have perfect ideals of beauty and how things should look in my mind though. Aspiring to bring it into reality can be difficult. My mother helps, she hones the Venus-Saturn energy quite well. I do believe its all about structuring beauty and honing it. A friend of mine has the opposition natally (Aries Venus- Libra Saturn) and believes wholeheartedly in objective standards of beauty and that society should adhere to them when it comes to architecture, art and fashion as do I think this a lot of the time.
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Post by Ava on Nov 13, 2018 13:11:55 GMT
Thanks for answering FruityLlamaCome to think of it, I have some objective beauty standards, too (Venus trine Saturn, Venus conjunct draco Saturn, Venus contraparallel to Saturn). Not a great fan of any creation that looks just plain ugly. I was telling my son yesterday that I never had interest in The Walking Dead because the aesthetics of it put me off. I get upset looking at houses for sale because the structures can be so ugly, street view (like, asymmetric window patterns that make the house look unfinished or overly private, because where you expect a window, there's just a wall...this is probably more of a problem in the US...I'd imagine building codes are stricter in Europe.) Also I could almost cry seeing some of the furniture and decorating choices these people make (Libra Pluto and Pisces moon connected through antiscia).
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Post by FruityLlama on Nov 13, 2018 18:08:25 GMT
AvaOh my gosh, me too! It made me feel ill as well did that show. It made me stick to a vegetarian diet for several months in my school years haha! Yeah, I totally get you. I prefer my aesthetics regarding architecture and housing to be more traditional. I really dislike modernist stuff that's neither pretty. useful or even just amazing or thought provoking. Some modern art tries to do that of course, but it doesn't work for me. Cardboard boxes stuck on a wall or unplugged tv's in a corner of an art gallery is not nearly as thought provoking or heart wrenching as the 19th century portrait of tortured soldiers fighting in wherever..you know? I had this experience in an art gallery once and could not believe two such things were both considered "art"! I know I sound like a miserable git, but I think it demonstrates the Venus-Saturn connection well.
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 13:54:55 GMT
luminaScience question Solstice points and declinations are related somehow, right? The sun's @ 23.5 N on the summer solstice, 23.5 S on the winter solstice. If person A and person B each have their suns equidistant from a solstice, their suns' declinations will probably match?
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 15:14:45 GMT
Yes, works only With planets in the ecliptic though, so Sun and the calculated Points.
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Post by Ava on Jan 3, 2019 2:54:13 GMT
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Post by Ava on Jan 6, 2019 19:01:08 GMT
Thinking of possible themes that connect antiscia sign pairs? And maybe when these signs are unified, they create a certain type of synergy....just some raw ideas here:
Gemini + Cancer => both ruled by quick planets, Mercury and the moon respectively. So this combination might be about first impressions, being able to read people or respond instinctually.
Taurus + Leo => loving the finer things. Leo light (sun) shines beautifully and makes things more beautiful for Taurus appreciation.
Aries + Virgo => the innocents, purity
On the other end of the axis....
Sag + Cap => grandeur
Scorpio + Aqua => the investigators. Scorpio sees into things in order to advance; Aqua is already advanced but still appreciates what Scorpio thoroughness brings to the table. Scorpio is more emotionally driven so it uncovers emotional data that Aqua could overlook.
Libra + Pisces => peace and harmony
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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2019 16:02:59 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jun 28, 2019 18:45:42 GMT
Ava , very interesting. and yes all solstice points have their balance point at an Aries point (any of the four cardinal points actually) Moon/Pluto sounds very intense. Astute observation with the midpoints, too, of course that is true, solstice points have their midpoints at the 00 cardinal degrees. Now the question is: are solstice points important because their midpoint is on these important degrees? Or are these midpoints important because of the solstice points? in my own chart I have a solstice point between Mercury and Venus, in particular (1°09), not terribly tight, but tight enough. The Mercury/Venus-mp is at 00°35 Cap. The other midpoints near the AP are Sun/Venus 1°02 Cap (they are of course also roughly on each others solstice point, with a bit of orb) conjunct Vesta on 1°22 Cap and my Draco chart has Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer (Jupiter on 1 Cancer, Ceres on 29 Gemini) Saturn/Uranus 29°00 Sag,
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Post by lumina on Jun 28, 2019 18:47:45 GMT
btw the midpoints of Sun/Mars in your and your ex charts partile opposite each other is a big thing synastry/composite-wise, at least according to David Cochrane.
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Post by lumina on Jun 28, 2019 18:50:23 GMT
Ava , curiously I just see that in the Draco chart my Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer P`s Juno/Ceres 0°58 Cap
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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2019 20:29:24 GMT
Thanks lumina , "my Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer P`s Juno/Ceres 0°58 Cap" Nice So you count mixed midpoints? Your Mercury/Venus mp, rather soothing to my sensitive moon/Pluto mp? "Now the question is: are solstice points important because their midpoint is on these important degrees? Or are these midpoints important because of the solstice points?" Hmm...like "solstice points" is just a fancy/dramatic way of saying "AP midpoints" ? "btw the midpoints of Sun/Mars in your and your ex charts partile opposite each other is a big thing synastry/composite-wise, at least according to David Cochrane." Yeah...maybe more emphasized for us since it's on the Aries Points, and constructed of Sun trine sun Mars trine Mars Sun square Mars DW edit
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