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Post by Ava on Oct 5, 2018 12:06:38 GMT
This may be my favorite Jewel Mayberry video - she released it the other night:
As she explains in the comment section, the video is for all Mercury-Pluto aspects, including the trine.
I have a wide trine and recognize myself in some of that.
Well I have a tendency to catastrophize and don't always realize I'm doing it. Pluto squares my sun, harbors its resentments.... maybe Mercury just easily sees and processes that.
The singularity she speaks of occurs when Mercury-Pluto people realize their negative thought patterns, correct themselves, and then their corrected selves can keep self-correcting at an increasingly accelerated pace.
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Post by Violets on Oct 5, 2018 17:29:57 GMT
I ❤ my Mercury trine Pluto.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 18:37:36 GMT
Something she doesn’t mention is with these aspects... words kill. These ppl know how damaging words can be and they are more cautious as they get older.
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Post by Ava on Oct 7, 2018 0:08:09 GMT
Something she doesn’t mention is with these aspects... words kill. These ppl know how damaging words can be and they are more cautious as they get older. She did say that, pretty sure. I think Mercury conjunct Pluto people can also be damaging with their silences, body language, and just the way they time and orchestrate things. Non-verbal communication might be where they stand out most...it's what they won't say, and how they guide you to look at, and think about, that empty space. "Consider what I'm not telling you, and why I wouldn't." I've fallen prey to manipulations like this and it takes consciousness to realize how to break away from it, how to not just be fixated and entranced by the puzzle itself. Sure they are brilliant (often), but I don't have to think of it their way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 3:59:06 GMT
I didn't mean the manipulation, the awareness of words.
One example is Machine Gun Kelly who said in 2012 that Eminem's daughter was "hot as f*ck" and he was then banned on Eminem's radio and other places.
Many mercury pluto people grew up without the awareness of the impact of their words. When they said something as just a reckless joke, it provokes the kinds of storm that they remember for their dear life and as they grew older, they eventually learn that when they say certain things, ppl can possibly take it the way that they dont when others say the exact same things.
The cautiousness, the silences are not JUST the manipulations but also the fears that when they bottom out all they have to say, there is a whirlstorm ahead. Now of course at certain time in their life, they will have something damning to say and they intentionally say them with the full awareness that an earthquake might entail. But that is when they are older.
As children, they didn't know when they said "uncle Jack looks ugly in those pants" they got beaten up really badly while their siblings never got yelled at with their jokes.
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Post by Ava on Oct 10, 2018 12:42:49 GMT
Many mercury pluto people grew up without the awareness of the impact of their words. When they said something as just a reckless joke, it provokes the kinds of storm that they remember for their dear life and as they grew older, they eventually learn that when they say certain things, ppl can possibly take it the way that they dont when others say the exact same things. Interesting. Well do you think that could lead to a general dislike of people? "You all are too sensitive. I open my mouth and you recoil. So F you, anyway." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:28:25 GMT
Ava I can’t obviously speak for all mercury Pluto ppl. I have aqua mercury square Pluto and I don’t really think like that. I don’t hate ppl for being sensitive. It’s sorta like sun-square Pluto too. I don’t hate ppl for being weak or sensitive or trying to cover up or get lost n whatever illusion they have. But I do see things as more black and white. I’m not confused at all and when I state things, even on this forum, I’m aware ppl take it harder than what I meant. It’s like I have all my criticism of every sign but I don’t actually hate any of them. The problem with Pluto hard aspects is that we are supposed to learn our own power and just because we’re not aware of our power doesn’t mean others aren’t. Since we are quite provoking with words, prob a good thing we tread carefully . The time I said things like “uncle jack was lying when he said xyz...” when I was young, there was a moment of silence from the adults and then I got hated on for ponting it out while in my head it was just..., obvious. So yes sometimes ppl hate us because they think we’re supposed to know better before opening our smarty pant mouth. Also word choices need to be considered carefully. For example, instead of saying “you flew there to see that guy”, some mercury-pluto ppl would dramatize it as “you crawl all the way over there to see that stupid supposedly boyfriend of yours.” FYI...James Comey is a merc-pluto
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 10, 2018 17:22:54 GMT
The internet cut out as I was posting...I wrote a lot too  but basically, I have the opposition 24 Tau- 29Sco, and my mothers moon is right on my pluto (29 Sco). She taught me how use body language instead of words to stand up for myself such as the long hard stare because I was never confident with words. For me this aspect makes me want to communicate effectively with everyone, not just skim the surface but be meaningful. However I also realise that in times of distress particularly, people need different things. Some like to do the talking, others want to listen to realistic solutions, others need guiding towards a different way of thinking. This opp. straddles my 5-11H so I think it reflects that global consideration and trying to adapt, perhaps creatively to different people. I am intuitive with people but I sruggle to articulate sometimes whereas mum is. I am not cruel or cold in my words as far as Im aware and people don't see me like that (well I hope anyway). I only say that because I make a point of being open and warm and friendly as this was how I was raised by my parents and they made a point of it too. I was actually a very friendly kid when not in school, but I am shy now though and a bit introverted. |
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Post by anela on Oct 10, 2018 22:08:18 GMT
Many mercury pluto people grew up without the awareness of the impact of their words. When they said something as just a reckless joke, it provokes the kinds of storm that they remember for their dear life and as they grew older, they eventually learn that when they say certain things, ppl can possibly take it the way that they dont when others say the exact same things. Interesting. Well do you think that could lead to a general dislike of people? "You all are too sensitive. I open my mouth and you recoil. So F you, anyway." I don't have it natally, but I have the square by transit. I've always been aware that words can be hurtful, but there are times when I just don't care anymore. And then I think, "I'm too emotional, I need to back off". But that doesn't mean that I didn't mean what I said, it's just that there is generally more to people than what's going on at that moment. I wish I had people around me to talk to. I miss my mum so much. If I was bothered by something before, I would talk it out with her, or my sister. I won't be done with the square, it will move on and hit my Ceres/Chiron/Sun. That doesn't sound at all good. |
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Post by Ava on Oct 11, 2018 1:05:01 GMT
FruityLlama, I get those impressions from you online: that you strive to make communication deep and meaningful, without offending people. I think you do that well. It's not easy! anela❤️ *hug*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 1:54:03 GMT
FruityLlama well yeah I don’t think we all are rough either. Pluto anything can be traumatic and Pluto mercury can indicate plutonic experiences with siblings .., whatever that means. There can be strong bond or extreme hatred or lack of trust. The sign of mercury matters too. If you have mercury in Scorpio conjunction Pluto, it might not be as in your face. I also have mercury conjunct Saturn so double doses of ice on top of my communication... no whip cream or cherry on top for me 
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 11, 2018 5:35:03 GMT
Ava, thank you, that means a lot! And no is not, I am always second guessing myself haha @theunknown ooh you know what, my sister has pluto in 3H as well. I don't know, our relationship can be a little odd sometimes and I sometimes perceive hatred from her which upsets me but I have never spoken to her about it. I have the opposition with mercury in Taurus. I sometimes feel overbearing with her because I am never quite sure where I am with her so I think I just mask my insecurity by being goofy with her, and maybe a little opinionated which I think she hates me for. My sister has a 10 degree square but I don't count that myself.
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Post by Ava on Oct 13, 2018 13:40:41 GMT
Celebrities with Mercury conjunct Pluto:
Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Robin Williams, Miley Cyrus, Billy Ray Cyrus, Edward Norton, Saif Ali Khan, Paul Walker, Paul Reubens, Ryan Phillippe, Patrick Stewart, River Phoenix, Tim Burton, Patrick Swayze, Stanley Kubrick, Madonna, Freida Pinto, Melissa McCarthy, Adam Sandler, Abraham Lincoln, Sylvester Stallone, Keanu Reeves, Ryan Reynolds, Martin Sheen, Mark Strong, Donnie Wahlberg, Jenna Elfman, Whitney Houston, Ringo Starr, Mick Jagger, Bruno Mars, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Jerry Garcia, Kate Bush, Gwen Stefani, Trisha Yearwood, Belinda Carlisle, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Claudia Schiffer, Jennifer Nettles, Rachael Ray, Giada De Laurentis, Michael Buble, Amber Rose, Kelly Ripa, Ivanka Trump, Jesse Ventura, Bob Hope, Alex Trebek, Christian Slater, James Cameron, Zac Efron, Matt Damon, Ken Starr, Lionel Barrymore, John Mayer, Scott Patterson, Alexis Bledel, Tom Colicchio, Charles Darwin, Aaron Hernandez, Moe Howard, John Glenn, Serena Williams
Poets/authors: Longfellow, Roethke, E. Barrett Browning, Arthur Conan Doyle, Ian Fleming, Paulo Coelho, Maurice Sendak, George Orwell, Andrew Sullivan
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Post by Electrode on Oct 19, 2018 16:44:02 GMT
The signs involved and the other aspects Mercury has also play an important role. I would think having Mercury in Scorpio in aspect to Pluto or an Earth Mercury is far more calculating than say Aries Mercury in aspect to Pluto. An Aries/Fire Mercury may just blurt things out without thinking them through, therefore not really being aware of the impact it has on others. Mercury in Capricorn or Scorpio however would be much more calculating and think of things to say to purposefully get under your skin; they're not typically as impulsive.
I know for sure it's like trying to figure out where to hit where it hurts. Laser-focus.
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but basically, I have the opposition 24 Tau- 29Sco, and my mothers moon is right on my pluto (29 Sco). She taught me how use body language instead of words to stand up for myself such as the long hard stare because I was never confident with words. 
