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Post by Ava on Sept 27, 2018 19:41:06 GMT
Today's transits: 4 Aqua Mars 4 Aqua SN 5 Aqua Black Moon Lilith Anyone feeling Lilithian...Lilithlike? I am. Story in the next box.
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Post by Ava on Sept 27, 2018 19:50:02 GMT
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Tr Lilith conjunct Mars on the SN, sextile to my Aries Lilith
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Post by lumina on Sept 27, 2018 20:13:01 GMT
But you used the mean Lilith, hmm, not the natural one (well she is on 1 Aquarius today). The natural one was squaring the Moon-Uranus-conjunction today, which I find very fitting,t oo. I have also noticed mean Lilith "fitting", even though she is actually not "right". But everyone seems to use her. But it`s like with the mean nodes, just an averaged position not an actual one. Dunno. I tend to keep both in my view actually.
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Post by Ava on Sept 27, 2018 20:44:20 GMT
Thanks for the correction lumina. I just clicked on "Lilith" at astro.com and got that. I always just do that. I figure it's gotta be useful for something. I'm not patient enough to deal with the Lilith complexity, I have Jupiter in Aries. But here it is: Asteroid Lilith: 1181 Black Moon Lilith/Mean: h21 Black Moon Lilith/Osculating/True: h13 Dark Moon Lilith: h58 black-and-the-moon.myshopify.com/blogs/news/lilith-the-shadow So I entered h13 in the asteroid field and it tells me Lilith (O) is @ 5 Aqua, about 0°06 from Mean Lilith. Really "Mean Lilith" sounds most appropriate.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 28, 2018 0:35:21 GMT
There were supposed to be different stories about the three Lilith's - dark moon, black moon, and asteroid. I'll link the article if I find it. As far as I remember, the "dark moon" was the most wounded one of the three. But yeah, I never know which ones to use.
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 4:13:50 GMT
H21 is apparently the correct one.
EDIT Well possibly the true Lilith is true, too, not sure, I just read that it is almost never true. it is however for what it was defined for. At the time of Moon being farthest from earth - apogee - Lilith needs to be exactly conjunct Moon, which is true for the natural Lilith but also the true Lilith, however not for mean lilith.
Same is true for Priapus, for the times Moon comes closest to earth - perigee - priapus, both natural and true, are at the exact same spot, while for other times they can be different. so not easy to decide.
If we decide to use true Lilith (h13), however, we also have to use true Priapus (the one astro.com gives is the natural/ interpolated one, the counterpart to natural/ interpolated Lilith) - true Priapus is always opposite true Lilith (unlike the natural/ interpolated pairing).
I can´t say for sure which one is right, just know that the mean one is not. lol
As for Dark Moon, I never use it, as it is completely fictional, like astrologers made it up, probably with good reasoning, but still we have so many actual existing objects as well as calculated points, that I am not really wanting to spend my time with dealing with objects that could be there or could be not there.
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 5:47:36 GMT
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 6:35:14 GMT
P`s interpolated Lilith is in Virgo, his true Lilith is in Leo (opposing my own with just 23 minutes of arc).
When he gave me this surprising hug at the end of the meeting in july, Tr true Lilith was exactly conjunct the Tr IC (in Aquarius, of course). lol Tr NN was on true Priapus and MC exact (6 Leo - 6 Aquarius: The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky - A Child Is Seen Being Born Out Of An Egg: it is one of my favourite axises, becasue of the nice Sabians. lol)
Last monday, Tr Lilith was on 00 Aquarius in partile conjunction to our composite ASC and making a T-square with Tr Uranus on 1 Taurus and my own Uranus on 1 Scorpio, along my 5th-11th house axis. Oh boy...
Next time I am going to see him on a concert Tr Lilith will be at the same degree as it was when we bumped into each other and then had coffee, on 9 Aquarius (on my natal Pallas), and conjunct our pr composite Sun.
On the private concert/ barbecue (the result of the auction in july) Tr Lilith will be on 25 Capricorn, exact on his natal Venus.
hmm and on the occasion when we took that picture, curiously enough Tr Lilith was conjunct Tr Mars on our composite ASC exact, making a perfect T-square with Tr Uranus on 1 Taurus and my Uranus on 1 Scorpio.
All being on 1 degree of the respective signs. Tr Uranus was also conjunct our composite Atropos at 00 Taurus of course.
Hmm all in all just for the recent events, I think the transits of true Lilith seem to be more matching the situations.
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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2018 11:30:21 GMT
Which one is the natural Lilith lumina ? "If we decide to use true Lilith (h13), however, we also have to use true Priapus (the one astro.com gives is the natural/ interpolated one, the counterpart to natural/ interpolated Lilith)" I didn't know astro.com even offered Priapus. Can't find it. All I know is h22. Edit: Oh I see....so mean = interpolated = natural? Three words for one of the Liliths.
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 17:46:35 GMT
Priapus is h22.
Mean Lilith is the average position
Natural and interpolated are the same ones (h21)
However I am wondering if maybe the true Lilith is really the true one after all?
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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2018 18:59:13 GMT
^ Thanks However I am wondering if maybe the true Lilith is really the true one after all?
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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2018 19:12:32 GMT
Everything about Black Moon is super confusing. The article I quoted above has this illustration: WTF?
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 19:43:02 GMT
Calculating the Motion of the moon s a Nightmare.
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2018 19:45:46 GMT
Parallax IS of course also a Big subject. When i still had my Software, i was researching IT, But esp. In Terms of progressions the normal moon seemed to Match the timwframe better.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 28, 2018 21:14:18 GMT
Yeah, I think that was the one..!
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Post by anela on Sept 28, 2018 22:49:31 GMT
Yes! Part of it is politics, but it's connected to my personal life, and how I feel about aging (and how aging women are treated), and so on.
I finally started to cry this afternoon (late), and I really need to get out of here, but dad said he was falling asleep in the driveway, when he got home. I told people last night, I was ready to burn it all down (politically). I'm so pissed. And more of my friends have come out about being assaulted at various times in their life, never told anyone before, or only told their spouses. Two more spoke about things last night, and on facebook, because they've had enough, too.
I lost my sister to a man who tried to sleep with me, and turned around and told her that I was delusional, jealous, and trying to break them up. That I'd misinterpreted his actions, whatever. I was upset yesterday, remembering that dad encouraged me to go up to their apartment, almost two years ago, when we took my sister back home, and then to shake this douchebag's hand. I couldn't wait to wash it, and to get out of there. I was so upset at the time, and still am. It's the same old shit, over and over and over. Women expected to put up with things. Like someone destroying their family, because he couldn't take having screwed up, and just admit it. Think of the men!! *rolls eyes*
So, um, yeah. That's me. Having just read a facebook post from someone who said a friend of his is a teacher, and stated they overheard teenage boys saying this: "What are you going to do this weekend?" "I'm going to pull a Kavanaugh!" followed by hand slaps and laughing. Because the GOP has let them know that they aren't expected to be decent human beings, especially if they're teenagers.
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Post by Ava on Sept 29, 2018 0:20:16 GMT
anela I'm starting to think that what goes around comes around, even with sexual misconduct...most guys who are just your everyday brand of sexually aggressive, they try and live normal lives, have normal aspirations. But from a distance it usually looks like their lives unfold as if everything is a bit out of control. I mean, I guess that lack of impulse control is going to bite them in the a$$ in other areas, too...bad business deals, bad choices of partners, etc. edit
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 10:21:41 GMT
anela and Ava I actually understand both of your points. On the one hand it is distressing, this degree of disrespect, even in every day situations, which is making the ground for later abusive situations to happen. On the other hand women are not powerless, as you said, Faith, and at some point I decided I am not going to identify as a victim any longer. I cannot change what happened in the past, but I can do my best to NOT let it overshadow my present decisions (though of course there is influence there, but whenever I notice that shadow, I step back, and try to reconnect with the "real me", asking what the unshadowed Ceri would do or think in this situation, and trying to act accordingly). I think that is what the Lilith myth actually really tells us; by going away, out of the situation, out of the relationship, out of this society, and by focusing on herself (not what others think or do or expect of her), she takes back her power. Of course society does not like a woman who does that, cause it means there is really no way to control her anymore. (they can try of course, with all kinds of restrictions and in most cases it becomes a certain "slut-shaming" or just that (unfair) judging and gossiping - which btw mostly is done by women! -, but the Lilith part of a person, is beyond that, as she can easily see through what lies behind all of that: fear and envy/ jealousy - well we have other parts to our personality who consider being accepted some form of survival-guarantee, which is why the Lilith portion of us so often struggles against the Moon, Venus and Saturn-energies within us or even projected onto us. For Saturn Lilith must be a nightmare come true! - I think Chiron is maybe one of the rare other energies, who really gets Lilith, though he chose a different path, but hey they are both living in a cave, pretty far away from humanity/ society - that tells us something! They are both dealing with issues of abandonment in terms of society). I start babbling. Well my Lilith, no matter which one, is in Aquarius, and I guess it shows. lol I might be more about the "refusing to succumb to social rules" kind of LIlith-type than the one seeking revenge, so my view on her might be coloured through that. (I am well adapted socially, and yet, I guess I just don`t play by the rules, as is expected. Never did the things that were expected of me socially WHEN they were expected of me. Not having a driving licence, not being married, not having children - for starters, when I was younger, I was leaving talks/ meetings, once I started getting bored with the conversation, which could be considered pretty rude I guess. Nowadays I try to just change the course of the conversation, so I am not bored that much. But I still am getting bored with most conversations easily. Which is one of the reasons I like being around P so much. he`s never ever bored me. Not ONCE. And that is quite something to say! It sounds so shallow, but I cannot deal with mental boredom very well, it seems to paralyze my energies somehow, like I am feeling downright comatose at some point, mentally speaking, and I try to keep those situations to a minimum, which might mean I have to violate some social rules at times.) EDIT Talking bout that urge to not want to feel like a victim in any kind of way, took on pretty silly proportions, even when I was a little child. It was already there. My mom was telling me about that, how, at a n age of 3 or 4 already, whenever she would scold me about something, or when I had trouble with other kids and they would maybe even hit me or something, I would just stand there, stare them right in the face and laugh. I might have been dying inside because I was really hurt, but I would just laugh at whoever was trying to "get to me", making them in a way feel insignificant (and of course even angrier. Not always the best course of action, if you want to be safe physically in some situations, as I learned). Unfortunately this has a negative side, too, as if you get in such a habit, expressing or letting show certain vulnerabilities becomes like a show of weakness, that you try to avoid. But it is not ALWAYS a bad thing showing you have vulnerabilities, for example with people who are inherently good (yes they do exist) or people who really care about you, they do deserve being let in sometimes, and not always hitting a wall. I definitely had to learn to make a difference there, when to have my guard up and when maybe it was better to let it down a little. Still learning about that I think.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 10:38:44 GMT
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Post by Ava on Sept 29, 2018 11:49:11 GMT
Sorry if I ever bored you lumina Hazards of the internet I feel that negative emotions are largely useless, unless there's a way to channel them into something constructive. Maybe it's fortunate for my health that I have Lilith (true and mean) trine Venus, and Mercury = Venus/Lilith midpoint (mean). When I dwell on a memory and start to feel the fire-breathing dragon Aries Lilith energy rising, usually I try and just forgive the person (True Lilith trine Neptune), or kinda just relish the notion that karma is real and their payback is coming (Jedi mentality, Lilith trine Neptune again). In the video I posted above, she said "Aries Lilith always wins." I will take that crown, thank you. Acceptance speech: "And most of all, thank you to all my fellow Aries Lilith people, for collectively working towards giving us the #1 position. Thank you for kicking a$$, thank you for burning down the house with your amazing and unparalleled fury. Proud to be one of you."
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