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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 1:28:52 GMT
Apologies for the atrocious pun. I just had to.
IME, natal Sun-Moon aspects can make somebody quite "lunar". Their lunar selves are fused with their identity in such a way that they cannot be separated. Not lunar in the Cancerian sense, necessarily - but purely the qualities of the *moon*.
In a way, this compels them to be authentic with their self-expression. It also gives their moony selves prominence - in that they can be warm, nurturing, etc. Downside: it can make them really subjective, even when the aspect is in "objective/logical" signs. They may not see themselves that way, but they can be. Also, they like having their little 'tribe' or 'family' around them.
This might be true for other aspects, but at least for the the conjunction, trine & sextile - they go around adopting 'family' their whole lives. If not, they can make people comfortable around them - as if they're old friends.
The conjunction calls for being invested in something they care about. If their heart's not in it - it will show (unless heavily constricted by Saturn/Pluto or in a 'hidden' house).
The trine / sextile folks don't even notice this part of themselves. They feel like everyone must be this way.
With the opposition, they sometimes feel uncomfortable in that role, so they suppress it. Or it gets overwhelming if they allow that side to manifest. But at the same time, a part of them longs to express it. Driven to nest and 'take care' of the young/sick/weak. They might find they are surprisingly good in that role, and it doesn't 'take' anything away from them.
The square needs a lot more work, but eventually it makes them wiser. Initially, there might be a resentment towards lunar qualities - perceiving those as 'weakness'. But once integrated, they can be wonderfully compassionate.
What are your experiences? Do you have or know somebody who has Sun-Moon aspects?
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Post by vds on Sept 22, 2018 12:17:26 GMT
I think Sun/Moon in "harmonious" aspect gives precisely that, harmony and confidence. Themes of identity/being and belonging are essential to them. It's not about the community, the narrative always circles back to them.
Life seems to be unfolding around New Moons, no need for exact conjunctions. Decisions based on hunches. People are calm around them. Great deal of likeability.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 22, 2018 12:29:39 GMT
I am a new moon baby with a close conjunction of sun-moon as is my sister! I guess so, my sister is sweet but her shyness and general detached nature makes her come across as rude sometimes, to be honest. She has a circle of friends who have been there since childhood though. I make friends easily and do resonate with the idea of collecting people around me haha. I have a posse everywhere (hope that doesn't sound too obnoxious), only trouble is, people are hard to keep in touch with  |
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Post by Ava on Sept 22, 2018 14:20:05 GMT
"Downside: it can make them really subjective, even when the aspect is in "objective/logical" signs. They don't see themselves that way, but they can be."
No, I know I'm subjective.
Edit: I've been reading The Secret Language books for years.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 15:06:36 GMT
Ava, Hmm, that's nice. I have an exact trine and had no idea I was subjective until after my teen years. :ETA: Oh I see what I wrote. I meant they don't *always* see themselves like that, I should probably correct the phrasing.  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 15:07:53 GMT
only trouble is, people are hard to keep in touch with I know right! That bugs me too. If I had my way, I'd like to keep a close circle of childhood friends like your sister.
But it's really hard to hold on to people. Or maybe that's just a personal struggle.
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Post by Violets on Sept 22, 2018 15:30:41 GMT
"With the opposition, they sometimes feel uncomfortable in that role, so they suppress it. Or it gets overwhelming if they allow that side to manifest. But at the same time, a part of them longs to express it. Driven to nest and 'take care' of the young/sick/weak. They might find they are surprisingly good in that role, and it doesn't 'take' anything away from them."
Yes. Spot on (and squaring my NN in my 4th house to boot). My mom also has the opposition, and I can say this has been true for her as well, from my observations.
Personally, as pesky as Uranus and Saturn have been lately, they've both also been making trines to my Moon, so for the time being this has been easier to integrate for me. Transiting NN has also been making a trine to my natal NN, so that's also a plus.
Anyway, I've noticed that people with smooth aspects between Sun/Moon, or conjunctions, really are completely at ease with their domestic lives.
What I've read about the opposition is that it grants objectivity rather than subjectivity. I find this true for myself, but that could be other placements/aspects at work.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 17:15:46 GMT
What I've read about the opposition is that it grants objectivity rather than subjectivity. I find this true for myself, but that could be other placements/aspects at work. Oh it very well could! These are just hunches/observations (of a limited set of people, I might add). So it's nice to hear what does and doesn't ring true for other people. Thanks for your input! Your mom had this aspect too? And yours is squared by a 4th house NN - wow, that's a lot of stress on the luminaries.
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Post by lumina on Sept 22, 2018 17:17:55 GMT
Isn`t everyone subjective? Doesn`t that come with being a "Subject"?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 17:19:52 GMT
Isn`t everyone subjective? Doesn`t that come with being a "Subject"? Haha! Totally. IMO, it's a sliding scale. Some people are relatively more objective, or able to see themselves and others more "objectively" than others. You're right though - I dunno if absolute objectivity is possible (unless we're talking about non-neurotypicals).
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Post by Violets on Sept 22, 2018 17:28:28 GMT
Isn`t everyone subjective? Doesn`t that come with being a "Subject"? Yeah, I'm not Spock, lol. I just don't personally identify with subjectivity as one of my more noticeable shortcomings. Personally, I can be unreasonable, controlling, and self-centered, but I'm quite aware of it (the self-centered part can lend itself to being subjective, however). |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 22, 2018 17:34:04 GMT
^Yeah, I think it comes through in the vibe. For instance, if a normally 'objective' person comments on me or offers some criticism, which might not be phrased quite right - I don't feel offended - because I can tell it's not a personal attack. It's just the truth as they see it. Guess my Libra sun appreciates someone's ability to be unbiased.
I, on the other hand, can be unreasonably crabby and let my mood cloud my judgment or 'opinions of the day'. Having a water mercury probably adds to that tendency.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 22, 2018 20:45:13 GMT
Violets you just reminded me- I used to have a theory also that those with stressful aspects tended to have difficult domestic lives- I saw it mainly with the minor stressful aspects like inconjunct or semisquare. Like, where parents were divorced. An ex of mine had an opposition sitting on my AC-DC axis. He was troubled generally but seemed to be affected by his parents situation a lot. Same for an ex-friend who has the semi-something (either a libra or scorpio moon to a virgo sun) But I don't know if it holds up, I disregarded that theory a while back but I can't remember why haha!! Also, my man Jack white is a new moon baby too. He is probably quite a nice person, but he has been in the news for some bust-ups hasn't he? I guess thats a pretty negative example of subjectivity kind of clouding judgement!! Another ex friend (I had two in life who were really horrible), a new moon baby like me but in Aries used to show off about her apparent 'perfect' family and how they lived in the posh area of town and were just great etc etc. This pissed off the Virgo sun a lot and there would be screaming matches at lunchtime. I mean they were like 13 at the time, as was I, but I guess it sort of ties in with this discussion though and what you were saying Violets. However, I don't think my sister really likes us all that much. She is a new moon baby but out of sign. She is a 0* Leo sun conjunct 29* Cancer moon, so I don't know if that alters things or not. Also, just as a side, I always thought those with trines were physically attractive. The women are usually very glam, especially if its a water trine, for example, Liz Taylor, Cheryl-had-a-baby-recently-with-Liam-Payne, Margot Robbie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 21:05:26 GMT
FruityLlama so funny you're talking about new moons. I have no idea why but I ALWAYS manage to befriend New Moon people. I've also noticed that, more often than not, they usually have siblings that are new moons too! My last boyfriend was a new moon in Capricorn with a brother who was a new moon in Sagittarius One of our members here is a new moon in Pisces with a sister who is a new moon in Libra One of my favorite people ever is a new moon in Aries (surprisingly his sisters are not new moons though) Weirdly enough I recently met someone who is a full moon in Taurus/Scorpio. Based on my few interactions with them, I think I just get along with new moons much better. My theory is that people with new moons come from parents who love each other DEEPLY. None of the new moons I know have divorced parents. I always wonder why I gravitate them so much since my Sun/Moon are not aspected together (they're just square by sign)
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Post by vds on Sept 23, 2018 10:19:42 GMT
I am a new moon baby with a close conjunction of sun-moon as is my sister! I guess so, my sister is sweet but her shyness and general detached nature makes her come across as rude sometimes, to be honest. She has a circle of friends who have been there since childhood though. I make friends easily and do resonate with the idea of collecting people around me haha. I have a posse everywhere (hope that doesn't sound too obnoxious), only trouble is, people are hard to keep in touch with Yes! Friendships easily formed. That's fascinating but I noticed families tend to run in similar aspects. Your parents, supportive to each other? Lemme just find an interesting, food-for-thoughts link... astrofix.net/brainstorm-sun-moon-astrology-aspects/ |
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 23, 2018 13:06:15 GMT
vds Yes, true! I should also mention that on my mothers side, I have four cousins, all female and at least two are also new moon babies. We have one who is an Aries new moon and another who is a Virgo new moon. One is a Gem sun, Leo moon, so potential sextile there. I can't say I know them especially well, but I know the Aries new moon, who is the oldest is very popular and sweet from what I remember of her. My parents are supportive of each other, but it depends on certain situations. My mother doesn't always feel supported when for example, neighbours or friends, or family even, try and pull a fast one and just use them- my mum can tell straight away and urges Dad to support her in sticking up for themselves but Dad won't do that because I think he doesn't see it that way and is happy to help even when he is being taken a mug for, y'know? But apart from those kinds of situations, I'd say they are fairly supportive of each other, yeah. Neither parent has Sun-Moon aspects by the way, though my maternal grandparents are very close and supportive even though my mum is a Libra sun, Scorpio moon at 29*. Her brothers are a Scorpio and Cancer. athena , how strange! That's interesting about the full moons- I like them a lot, I know there are some here (Violets I am looking at you!) I think the difference for me is that with an opposition there might be that feeling of there always being something under the surface that you'll never get a grip on. Something mysterious. I don't know if you perceive this too? I'm just throwing more people out there now; I had an ex, who I regretted breaking up with actually, who was a new moon in Gemini. One of my favourite youtubers is a double Gem, not quite a new moon but similar kind of energy I guess. A friend at Uni who I liked, but also clashed with was a new moon in Cap, I think, or at least was a double Cap anyway (well, an entire stellium in Cap actually, with only Venus, Mars and Jupiter excluded). Friendships were easily formed with these people too, always hanging around in groups and hoards, although the Cap used to feel she didn't make friends easily. I used to feel like that too, until I realised that's not true, I just used to expect deep, strong connections with people instantly and was frustrated upon realising no one has time for that, they just want superficial surface level camaraderie, which is also fine.
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Post by Violets on Sept 23, 2018 14:27:01 GMT
12YearsABlob I know what you mean. I'll also note that I have a current pet peeve running with the people around me for excessive subjectivity, lol. That would include my mom, who also has the opposition. So maybe objectivity is represented somewhere else in my chart (like I said, I'm not Spock, heh). But yeah, we're all capable of not seeing a situation fully due to our own emotions. 
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Post by Violets on Sept 23, 2018 14:49:15 GMT
FruityLlama I've read that people with hard Sun/Moon aspects usually come from families where the parents were at odds with each other. I can say that's true for me, my mom, and my mother in-law (my mother in-law has the square).
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Post by Ava on Sept 23, 2018 15:24:49 GMT
Not sure how to jump in, or where, since I have so many thoughts....
But I think sun-moon people are sometimes self-reflective to the point where we are highly objective about ourselves, partly because the moon is sympathizing with the sun, removing or diminishing the need for outside validation or input. Sometimes this can make a person bolder when discussing their flaws...they don't fear public opinion because they are intact and cannot be dismantled.
Amongst some friends who do not have sun-moon in aspect (not speaking of ALL of them!) I've seen more obsession with what people think of them, body image issues, defensiveness, hyper-reactivity to social situations.
Now my best friend, another close friend, and daughter, none of whom have sun-moon natally, have all told me recently that they think I am too formless or something. Too much a social chameleon, as if I am trying to appeal to everyone, because I am insecure.
Maybe?
I don't FEEL insecure as I go through those motions. Maybe if they were to act like that, they would be driven by their insecurities? But for me, I actually consider myself adept at networking, and it comes from a genuine place. My moon in Pisces universalizes, my Cap sun tries to make connections build and last. If my ego seems vacant, maybe that's because it is? (?) I'm usually pretty flexible about being accused of stuff, criticized, torn down, because part of me doesn't really give a f*ck whether I've made mistakes or not. Everyone does. So who cares if I'm in that club?
What BOTHERS me is if I've thought I was doing right, being kind, etcetera, and someone turns around and accuses me of misconduct. Then it's not about my ego, but despair that my radar seems broken...I wasn't picking up warning signs. Now THAT sucks. For me, with my particular sun-moon combination, that is the main vulnerability. To invest too much (Cap) in what my intuition tells me (Pisces) and have it backfire. That's like being robbed of my core strength, a slice right through that "invincible" sun-moon alliance. And their midpoint is in Aquarius, and these revelations/rejections are usually shocking and unexpected, with a lasting impact (fixed).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 23, 2018 15:38:43 GMT
FruityLlama I've read that people with hard Sun/Moon aspects usually come from families where the parents were at odds with each other. Yeah, and they say that harmonious Sun-Moon aspects mean that your parents had a great relationship. I have the trine and this is not true for me.
Now I wanna add that maybe they *thought* they had a great relationship. Coz mine were very dysfunctional, but they saw nothing wrong with it...
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