Mercury & Friends

[12YearsABlob]

Ok, the title sounds like it should be about Mercury and his friends Venus, Mars and Pluto. Well, it could be.

They say that Venus shows the kind of people we like, the friends we choose - the company we find enjoyable. I have a lot of earth/water friends (coz earth venus). Good rapport with Gemini coz they (sometimes) complete a grand air trine with my luminaries and my venus is mercury-ruled.

Anyway, I was wondering if you guys have noticed any pattern involving Mercury signs/aspects among friends and people who are close to you?

Most of my close friends have water mercuries. Either that or a water mars, or mercury in aspect to Neptune/Pluto. (Should probably mention I have a water mercury too).

Invariably, these are the people that have remained in my life.

Compatible mercury signs (or aspects) give you compatible conflict-resolution styles, I suppose? That seems to be the key...

I mean, every friendship has its share of conflict. Some make it, some don't. So, I wanna hazard a guess that Venus plays into the friends we choose and Mercury/Mars decides who stays(?). The ones that don't, (for me) historically, have had incompatible mercuries.***

Counter example: One close friend, who doesn't have a water mercury, has her mercury closely conjunct my moon. "Speaks to my heart"?

What has been your experience? What works in "friend" synastry?

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*** With one glaring exception - a certain Cancer merc person who will probably never speak to me again. But it was good while it lasted, lol.

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

for me Mercury-aspects are extremely important, yes, I notice that most of my female friends who I have really good rapport with tend to have Air-Mercury (and curiously enough usually in the first decade of the sign, or the beginning of 2nd decade, but not really aspecting my Sag-Mercury on 25 degree directly). 
Even a new aquaintance of mine fits the bill, her Mercury is on 15 Libra, trine my Moon (but also square my SAturn), we are chatting a lot, but now and then it gets a little much for me, timeconsuming I mean; it`s not that I really want to shut her down, but I guess I am the one less initiative in communicating, except for some rare instances, though I enjoy chatting with her a lot. 

There is one friend with Cap-Mercury, who I`ve been talking to (mainly mailing) for many years; I do notice certain differences, and sometimes she does get on my nerves a little, and curiously it`s again me being less initiative in communicating, mostly cause I just have many peoples to chat with at the moment, and communicating with her takes a lot of focus and dedication timewise. lol 
But we do get along quite well, on the main (her Venus conjuncts my Mercury and Sun though, so that might help). 


another friend from my teenage years has Mercury in Scorpio. We were tightknit for a while, despite being VASTLY different (her Moon was also in Scorpio), very different family backgrounds and later on life-decisions (last thing I heard was that she is somewhere in southern Germany having some esoteric/Indian camp, with a sweat-log and so on. Well she certainly stayed true to herself. 
Anyway her path wasn`t mine, but that falling out was REALLY harsh, and I guess for both of us, and stretching out over a few years actually. Basically she probably wanted more (closeness/ Intimacy maybe?) than I could give, or was even aware of that she simply needed more than a simple friendship. Well I was young myself, and I couldn`t save her, and I guess she had been seeking for, I don`t know, basically everything, friend, sister, mother, soulmate, leader, companion, revolutionary, saviour, enabler etc. 
Well I wasn`t the one to be that. Anyway her Moon was squaring my Moon, and her MErcury (while trine my Jupiter-Ceres), was also semisquare my Mercury. Obviously didn`t work too well. 


As for men I curiously seem to be more drawn to fire Mercuries (especially in Sagittarius or in Aries), and also once more, first decade Mercury (actually mostly in between 5-10 degrees). 

And for some weird reason Pisces-Mercury, even being square my Mercury. I suppose the reason is that my own Mercury is disposited by Jupiter in Pisces, so I have a relation there. 


I might not be a good example though, as Mercury rules my DESC. lol So it`s very major anyway. Same goes for P, Mercury rules his DESC (and IC and 3rd house). 

Our Mercury-synastry is insane, and possibly speaks of the strange rapport we`ve developed over the years, and how it just never gets boring to me. 

my Mercury is conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC.
his Mercury is conjunct my Mars, NN and ASC and squares my Jupiter

his Mercury is also exactly sextile my Pluto, while my Mercury is more widely sextile his Pluto (3-4 degrees)
my Mercury is also widely conjunct his Neptune (just under 5 degrees). 


But the most challenging aspects in our synastry I feel also have to do with Mercury, and I see those in 

my Neptune exactly conjuncts his Mercury
his Saturn exactly squares my Mercury

Of course this is part of major natal aspects (as my Neptune is squaring my Jupiter-Ceres, so part of why I am confusing to him, is that I AM confusing myself. lol) 

And his Saturn squares his own Sun-Moon (and Neptune more widely), so the restriction that sometimes happen are "homemade" so to speak and having to do with his own Saturn-Sun and Saturn-Moon-tension. Maybe some sort of desperate attempt to keep control? Don`t know. my Sun-Mercury is free floating, and just expressing itself without really thinking about anything. Seems to be different for him with the Saturn looming in the back of his mind all the time. 

But it seems the stellium there of his Sun-Moon to my Sun-Mercury is just too strong to shut down the communication line for long.

Also remembering that I share that aspect with my new aquaintance (my Saturn squaring her Mercury), I actually don`t intend to shut her down, but sometimes there are time-restrictions, like I have other things to do as well, and cannot talk to her all day, even though some days I would really prefer that to fulfilling my obligations. Maybe it is at times similiar for P. 

[Ava]

Thanks for these interesting topics 12YearsABlob .

The people I talk to most tend to have sun, moon, or Mars conjunct Mercury.

I think that's because it makes them more talkative.

I have Gemini Mars aspecting my sun and moon, so I appreciate verbal stamina. I thrive on long letters, long phone calls (once in a while), long walks while talking.

This morning I was on the phone with my best friend until 4:30 am. Five hour conversation, with wine. We used to stay up all night talking on school nights in high school, and we'd always get to this point where we were kind of unhinged and in a semi-dream-zone, enjoying each other's loose coherence, the way we'd struggle to make sense no matter how far out the conversation got. (She's a late-degree Pisces sun-Mercury)

Another friend from high school has her Pisces Mercury exactly on my moon, and she and I used to stay up talking all night at slumber parties, and I noticed that we didn't really start bonding for real until about dawn, when we got into a deeper flow.

My Mercury is septile Neptune.

Thing is, tight trines to my Mercury have a special ring to them that can be so immediate and personal, that my standoffish Aqua Mercury recoils a bit, and may manufacture artificial distance. My Mercury opposes Saturn, my progressed Mercury was in Capricorn most of my life, and I'm still driving my mind at a slower speed than other air Mercuries might be comfortable with.

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

12YearsABlob

for me Mercury-aspects are extremely important, yes, I notice that most of my female friends who I have really good rapport with tend to have Air-Mercury (and curiously enough usually in the first decade of the sign, or the beginning of 2nd decade, but not really aspecting my Sag-Mercury on 25 degree directly).

Air and Sag energy get along splendidly. I can see that! Also, you have an air moon, so that probably adds to it. Some of the writers I like have Sag mercury (my ex did too). You guys are hilarious!

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

There is one friend with Cap-Mercury, who I`ve been talking to (mainly mailing) for many years; I do notice certain differences, and sometimes she does get on my nerves a little, and curiously it`s again me being less initiative in communicating, mostly cause I just have many peoples to chat with at the moment, and communicating with her takes a lot of focus and dedication timewise. lol

Haha! Yeah. Cap mercuries pack the most meaning into every sentence that they can. Nothing is frivolous, no word wasted. And they have a dry sense of humour that I just love.

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

another friend from my teenage years has Mercury in Scorpio. We were tightknit for a while, despite being VASTLY different (her Moon was also in Scorpio), very different family backgrounds and later on life-decisions (last thing I heard was that she is somewhere in southern Germany having some esoteric/Indian camp, with a sweat-log and so on. Well she certainly stayed true to herself. 
Anyway her path wasn`t mine, but that falling out was REALLY harsh, and I guess for both of us, and stretching out over a few years actually. Basically she probably wanted more (closeness/ Intimacy maybe?) than I could give, or was even aware of that she simply needed more than a simple friendship.

Omg.. I am a Scorpio mercury and I have exactly this problem. Always need more closeness/intimacy than they are willing or able to give. Although in my mind, it is only 'friend stuff' that I'm after. Like, I don't need them to buy me flowers or anything, lol. But I am a Venus-Jupiter person, so my 'friend stuff' itself tends to go way overboard, perhaps? There are some that prefer friends maintain a healthy distance, while they each go on living their lives. So, they might not agree with me, or feel that I'm being weird.

But overall, I'm trying to see it from the perspective that such fall-outs are/were for the best. We can't be the sort of the friend that the other one wants us to be. And removing myself from the situation means that at least I won't be imposing. Easier said than done, of course!

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

As for men I curiously seem to be more drawn to fire Mercuries (especially in Sagittarius or in Aries), and also once more, first decade Mercury (actually mostly in between 5-10 degrees). 

And for some weird reason Pisces-Mercury, even being square my Mercury. I suppose the reason is that my own Mercury is disposited by Jupiter in Pisces, so I have a relation there. 

Oh yes, Jupiter-Mercury rules!! The normally shy and returng Pisces Merc might feel more open and accepted in your presence. I know that I feel a lot looser and more open in the presence of a nice Jupiter aspect to my Mercury.

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

I might not be a good example though, as Mercury rules my DESC. lol So it`s very major anyway. Same goes for P, Mercury rules his DESC (and IC and 3rd house). 

Our Mercury-synastry is insane, and possibly speaks of the strange rapport we`ve developed over the years, and how it just never gets boring to me. 

my Mercury is conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC.
his Mercury is conjunct my Mars, NN and ASC and squares my Jupiter

his Mercury is also exactly sextile my Pluto, while my Mercury is more widely sextile his Pluto (3-4 degrees)
my Mercury is also widely conjunct his Neptune (just under 5 degrees). 

Pffft. That's not wide! Mercury-Neptune must be beautiful! My Neptune was conjunct one of my professors' mercury and I admired the crap out of him. Every word he spoke was gold.

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

But the most challenging aspects in our synastry I feel also have to do with Mercury, and I see those in 

my Neptune exactly conjuncts his Mercury
his Saturn exactly squares my Mercury

Sept 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT lumina said:

Also remembering that I share that aspect with my new aquaintance (my Saturn squaring her Mercury), I actually don`t intend to shut her down, but sometimes there are time-restrictions, like I have other things to do as well, and cannot talk to her all day, even though some days I would really prefer that to fulfilling my obligations. Maybe it is at times similiar for P. 

Yeah, sometimes Saturn doesn't mean to be stifling - it just comes across that way. My Saturn opposes somebody's moon and I love them to death. Normally I listen and enthusiastically participate in all of their rants and moods. One day, I was spaced out myself and not really responding like I usually do. That day, they took a tentative step further. Aired their most unfiltered, controversial sentiment to date. And I was still kinda of in a puddle. They heard silence on the phone and thought I disapproved. I scrambled to correct myself, but the damage was done! Sensitive moon retreated into polite niceties. (You can imagine how much Scorp mercury likes "polite niceties"). Anyway, I hope they trust enough to open up again. The point of this slight tangent was - that I know you don't mean to sound critical or distant, or however it is they view you. An aware Saturn can still come off as hard-to-get-through-to. Just the bloody aspect...

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 9, 2018 15:47:08 GMT Ava said:

I have Gemini Mars aspecting my sun and moon, so I appreciate verbal stamina. I thrive on long letters, long phone calls (once in a while), long walks while talking.

Omg, verbal stamina, you reminded me.. My gemini mars friends and I do talk for hours on the phone. And my current Gem mars friend has established a record for the longest call. She's the only one who got me to face-time. It was like spending the day with each other - which we both miss.

Sept 9, 2018 15:47:08 GMT Ava said:

This morning I was on the phone with my best friend until 4:30 am. Five hour conversation, with wine. We used to stay up all night talking on school nights in high school, and we'd always get to this point where we were kind of unhinged and in a semi-dream-zone, enjoying each other's loose coherence, the way we'd struggle to make sense no matter how far out the conversation got. (She's a late-degree Pisces sun-Mercury)

Aaah, conversations that run all night - those are the best.

Sept 9, 2018 15:47:08 GMT Ava said:

Thing is, tight trines to my Mercury have a special ring to them that can be so immediate and personal, that my standoffish Aqua Mercury recoils a bit, and may manufacture artificial distance. My Mercury opposes Saturn, my progressed Mercury was in Capricorn most of my life, and I'm still driving my mind at a slower speed than other air Mercuries might be comfortable with.

Yeah, the trines might set off the natal opposition to Saturn. So, even though they "wake up" your mercury, as you say, they also "wake up" your Saturn. Who doesn't appreciate free-flowing anything.
Maybe it takes time for the flow to set in? I dunno when (or even *if*) the Saturn is balanced out... Does it do better with or without tight aspects to your mercury?

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

"Air and Sag energy get along splendidly"
Yes, Sag is probably the airiest fire sign (must be the mutable quality)


."Also, you have an air moon, so that probably adds to it."
Yes, I can see that.

"Some of the writers I like have Sag mercury (my ex did too). You guys are hilarious!
"
Thanks.


"Haha! Yeah. Cap mercuries pack the most meaning into every sentence that they can. Nothing is frivolous, no word wasted. And they have a dry sense of humour that I just love.
"
Exactly. I do love the humour, but sometimes Cap Mercury does not quite get my sort of thinking/ joking, taking things more literal than I mean them. But all in all it is very okay for me. I mean any Cap placement is okay for me, maybe cause my Venus is there. Curiously Cap-Moons are the exception, not getting warm with them. Pun intended.  






"Always need more closeness/intimacy than they are willing or able to give."
The thing is I actually have very deep profound friendships, there is little of the usual superficial friendship stuff (those are aquaintances, not friends), but in that case she was asking too much, including me seeing that her path would have dragged me into some serious trouble (drugs, running away, some sort of martyr-complex etc. - it sounds harsh, but there is a limit to my tolerance of substance abuse and losing oneself in delusions. And she was always bringing along other individuals that were, well, let`s just put it this way, my red lights went on, especially the last guy she wanted to "save" from the evil society - well society can be nasty, but it was just too black-and-white, anyway in this particular case I had major red flags, and it was the only time I ever denied talking to someone - again, as he had asked me to, when meeting him per chance, though we had been going over the same issues repeatedly - she was already gone and moved to the next "case" at that time. But even though I definitely brushed him off and told him to never contact me or my family again and yes I was being not nice, but I just suddenly had that strong feeling I had to protect my family. Strange, no clue why I was feeling that that moment, something was just so majorly off, but from experience I knew there was no way to get through to him, unless also enabling his warped way of thinking. I didn`t really think he was dangerous, he never even yelled at me, so that was probably my biggest regret, that while I felt the need to protect my family, in particular my brother who has the Down-syndrome, I wasn`t realizing just how bad things were. I did when reading his name a few weeks later in the newspaper, after him and another aquaintance murdered a handicapped person, whom they were loosely aquainted with "just to see how it feels to take a life".
I certainly had not seen that in him, but still, well the other guys that friend dragged along weren`t quite as drastically losing it, but they definitely were bad news too. And I´ve gotten nto more dangerous situations with her along than at any other time in my life. And at times it was a really really close call, getting out of these I mean. Partly the reason was her absolute faith in guys who spelled trouble to anyone else (to her they were saints or victims in need of being saved, because the evil society was ... I don`t know what. 
HOnestly speaking I am lucky to have had such a stable background, which probably was one of the things that made her seek my friendship, because she didn`t have that. She wouldn`t listen to any other perspectives than her own though, and from some point on it started getting dangerous for me, so I think it`s good she left my life.)

This friendship was a special case though, not everyone with Scorpio planets is like that. And I do understand why certain things happened or why she was thinking a certain way, but well, I also was just 15 or 17 years old at the time, and certainly not able to help her (even though her mother tried to enlist my help, transferring her responsibilities to me, but even at 15 I was not accepting that).



"Pffft. That's not wide! Mercury-Neptune must be beautiful!"
Oh yes, Mercury-Neptune IS beautiful. We have the DW conjunction and therefore also the conjunction in composite. And on good days it is just magical, on bad days however it`s.... Neptunian. LOL
Actually we also have Sappho conjunct Mercury exact in composite and Neptune 2 degrees away, we probably could write stuff together. lol


"My Saturn opposes somebody's moon and I love them to death."

My best friend`s SAturn opposes my Moon, though with 5 degrees, my Saturn squares her Moon exact. I think I am probably more the Saturnian wet blanket there.
However, it is also, well my friend`s Saturn is in 3rd house, my Moon is in Aqua, she always felt inferior in terms of intelligence or mental capacity and adored that in others. It took a long time for her to see her own skills she has in that regard. She of course never was inferior in that regard, she is one of the most intelligent and educated people I know, with a very structured approach to mental things. 
But esp. in the beginning she said she was envying me even for being so uncaring about what other people think of how I think or what I am doing (usually nothing people expected from me in a certain age). Of course her Draco Sun conjuncts my Moon as well (and my Draco Sun conjuncts her Moon in Aries - I always admired her strength and energy and ability to just do things, and just to note, she has just an independent mind as I have, she just does not always see it about herself).


"They heard silence on the phone and thought I disapproved."
Yes, I also tend to feel silence as disapproval, which is of course nuts. Silence is... silence. lol
There are so many reasons for silence. 



"(You can imagine how much Scorp mercury likes "polite niceties")"
Yes I can. My mom has MErcury in scorpio, too. lol


I hope you can resolve that issue. 


Interestingly now that I was talking about my best friend, P seems to be sometimes a little, I don`t know, he jsut emphasizes all the time how educated and wellread and intelligent his best friend is, while he is little educated and a bit weak in terms of orthography. Sometimes he seems to transfer that thinking to me, too, and it didn`t help things that he learned I am a teacher. lol 
He is extremely intelligent and educated btw, not academically maybe, but that is just one sort of education. He is just interested in so many things and is the only person I have ever met who very convincingly pointed out as one of the good points about having several shows playing around the same time that he is "allowed to learn several scripts". LOL Pretty much everyone else sais how much of a drag that is, learning so much, and he can`t get enough of it. 

I also found it interesting, when we were talking last month, the question came up if the term "Latin teacher" or "teacher of Latin" would be the right term, he was having a very clear opinion on that and got very passionate/ intense in telling me that "this is the right form, I am absolutely sure." LOL 
He is so mutable in everything, but THAT, that was apparently absolutely important. Unfortunately I am a Sag-Mercury myself, and have the foot-in-mouth-syndrome, I did not really get at first that this was really important to him, for what reason ever, maybe to somehow prove to me that he knows something well, which somehow was connected to MY job. Unfortunately I did not get that, also, because about the terminology? I don`t really care. It`s just not important to me how it is called. It is not important to me how words are being written (it is in a process of fluid change anyway), and it certainly is not a sign of a lack of intelligence or education to me, if you don`t know how something is being written, or where a colon has to be put. 

But it seems it is important to HIM, maybe not even the thing itself, but that he KNOWS it and that he gets a confirmation of that, that he knows something well; and well my Mercury totally did not get it that time around; it only dawned on me when he started right after our talk, to constantly edit out his posts on facebook (he has stopped by now luckily. lol), just to correct his spelling!

Apart from that from the time we met he`s always liked to teach/ show me things (Luckily I love being taught. ), but that could be more the Jupiter-part. 
Also, he loves correcting me, it is weird, but it feels like this is really satisfying to him. LUckily it it is for me, too. lol I am sometimes a tiny little embarassed, but mainly my Mercury is so unafflicted, I guess I just know that even I can make mistakes and it does not make me a lesser person (that is the positive thing NOT having Saturn in relation to your Mercury, your feelings of your own usefulness is not affected by that SAturn-shadow). 
Sometimes, esp. online, he likes to have that strict tone with me, but it is strangely playful and to me sometimes feels downright flirtative. LOL It is SO Weird, and probably this has to do with both our Venus being in CApricorn and his is even trine Saturn on the DESC. 

The one manifestation of his Saturn I do not like is silence really, that is something my Mercury cannot deal with too well, and then my Moon quinkunx saturn comes into play, getting into worry-mode. lol 
Most of the times he has his reasons though, I mean he cannot be talking to me alll the time. He`s got other obligations in his life. 

[lumina]

BTW since Ava mentioned progressions.

my pr Mercury has been in Aquarius since 1996, and it went retro this year, so I guess it will stay in Aquarius all my life.

P`s pr Mercury is also in Aquarius, though not that long; since 2012.

This year his pr Mercury will perfect the conjunction to my pr Sun on 10°30 Aquarius on 26th september.
They will stay for a few days in a 0°00 conjunction (until 2nd october), but of course even after that will stay for some time closish. (today they are applying by 2 minutes).

using an 1 degree applying and separating, this conjunction was building from 29th april 2017 (his pMercury 8°04 Aqua, my pSun 9°04 Aqua), which is downright funny as a few days before that, he was very publicly giving me back my caketin, tht I had left at a workshop some weeks before, and was talking for some minutes about, well, basically me and the fact I was baking a bananabread and how this could be wrapped up, also weighing up the pros and cons of a caketin as to aluminium foil, and event hough suggesting wrapping it up in foil next time (next time?) finally coming to the conclusion that using a caketin was good in terms of environmental concerns, and praising me for this. lol
Just one of the more obvious examples of him trying to lecture me, and then somehow it became a Self-lecture. I didn`t even say anything, I was too perplexed.

But well his pr Mercury on my pr Sun - he made me (Pr Sun) topic of his talking (pr Mercury). lol
Well with my natal Mercury on his natal Sun I am talking about him all the time myself.

then this conjunction will perfect this month, and will fade out of 1 degree orb at 24th february 2020 with my pr Sun at 11°56 Aqua and his pr Mercury at 12°57 Aqua.

But well I think it showed, we`ve never been talking more to each other than in recent months.

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

The thing is I actually have very deep profound friendships, there is little of the usual superficial friendship stuff (those are aquaintances, not friends), but in that case she was asking too much, including me seeing that her path would have dragged me into some serious trouble (drugs, running away, some sort of martyr-complex etc. - it sounds harsh, but there is a limit to my tolerance of substance abuse and losing oneself in delusions. And she was always bringing along other individuals that were, well, let`s just put it this way, my red lights went on, especially the last guy she wanted to "save" from the evil society - well society can be nasty, but it was just too black-and-white, anyway in this particular case I had major red flags, and it was the only time I ever denied talking to someone - again, as he had asked me to, when meeting him per chance, though we had been going over the same issues repeatedly - she was already gone and moved to the next "case" at that time. But even though I definitely brushed him off and told him to never contact me or my family again and yes I was being not nice, but I just suddenly had that strong feeling I had to protect my family. Strange, no clue why I was feeling that that moment, something was just so majorly off, but from experience I knew there was no way to get through to him, unless also enabling his warped way of thinking. I didn`t really think he was dangerous, he never even yelled at me, so that was probably my biggest regret, that while I felt the need to protect my family, in particular my brother who has the Down-syndrome, I wasn`t realizing just how bad things were. I did when reading his name a few weeks later in the newspaper, after him and another aquaintance murdered a handicapped person, whom they were loosely aquainted with "just to see how it feels to take a life".

That's appalling. Such depravity.. And you have quite a bit of Neptune yourself too, don't you? That's why your instincts were spot-on. Although in this case, I'm thankful you didn't know the extent of it at the time, would've caused you more stress.

And yeah, I feel you.. there's a big difference between being close and letting yourself get taken advantage of (or in the worst case, putting yourself in harm's way). 💓

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

I certainly had not seen that in him, but still, well the other guys that friend dragged along weren`t quite as drastically losing it, but they definitely were bad news too. And I´ve gotten nto more dangerous situations with her along than at any other time in my life. And at times it was a really really close call, getting out of these I mean. Partly the reason was her absolute faith in guys who spelled trouble to anyone else (to her they were saints or victims in need of being saved, because the evil society was ... I don`t know what. 
HOnestly speaking I am lucky to have had such a stable background, which probably was one of the things that made her seek my friendship, because she didn`t have that. She wouldn`t listen to any other perspectives than her own though, and from some point on it started getting dangerous for me, so I think it`s good she left my life.)

Yeah, she had lots of issues to sort through and you must have seemed like a safe harbour. And even if you give someone like this well-intentioned advice - it's usually not received well.

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

This friendship was a special case though, not everyone with Scorpio planets is like that. And I do understand why certain things happened or why she was thinking a certain way, but well, I also was just 15 or 17 years old at the time, and certainly not able to help her (even though her mother tried to enlist my help, transferring her responsibilities to me, but even at 15 I was not accepting that).

Hmmm... that could easily lead to an unhealthy level of co-dependence. Teenagers are more prone to such transference, especially ones from an unstable background. One can only hope, as she got older, she would have grown out of those patterns..

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

"Pffft. That's not wide! Mercury-Neptune must be beautiful!"
Oh yes, Mercury-Neptune IS beautiful. We have the DW conjunction and therefore also the conjunction in composite. And on good days it is just magical, on bad days however it`s.... Neptunian. LOL
Actually we also have Sappho conjunct Mercury exact in composite and Neptune 2 degrees away, we probably could write stuff together. lol

I know right, I've never encountered a DW conjunction before. I'd love to be in your headspace.

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

My best friend`s SAturn opposes my Moon, though with 5 degrees, my Saturn squares her Moon exact. I think I am probably more the Saturnian wet blanket there.
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Of course her Draco Sun conjuncts my Moon as well (and my Draco Sun conjuncts her Moon in Aries - I always admired her strength and energy and ability to just do things, and just to note, she has just an independent mind as I have, she just does not always see it about herself).

You have some really strong connections!

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

"They heard silence on the phone and thought I disapproved."
Yes, I also tend to feel silence as disapproval, which is of course nuts. Silence is... silence. lol
There are so many reasons for silence.

Hmm... Yeah. Some are more prone to fits of silence.

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

I hope you can resolve that issue. 

Thanks, lumina . I hope so too.

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

Sometimes, esp. online, he likes to have that strict tone with me, but it is strangely playful and to me sometimes feels downright flirtative. LOL

It totally is! That's how Virgo mars flirts.

Sept 9, 2018 19:43:47 GMT lumina said:

The one manifestation of his Saturn I do not like is silence really, that is something my Mercury cannot deal with too well, and then my Moon quinkunx saturn comes into play, getting into worry-mode. lol 
Most of the times he has his reasons though, I mean he cannot be talking to me alll the time. He`s got other obligations in his life. 

Yeah, I hear you. Silences that I do not understand drive me up the wall. It's something that builds over time, perhaps? How comfortable you are with each others' silences. In the beginning there are so many possibilities, easy to stress ourselves out wondering what it is.