Guessing ASC again

[FruityLlama]

Hello, 

I was just wondering what your thoughts were for this person's ASC? I am trying to get better at it. I've been following the very informative thread below and I initially thought Libra ASC, but now I am toying between Scorpio and Leo. 

Her name is Olivia Jean and is talented, though I am not fan of her music, I do find her chart interesting.

This woman is a musician at third man records, Jack White's record label so that's how I came across her. Apparently she is not well liked by fans, bless her, I don't know why though. I'll post a video of her too- she doesn't come across all that bad does she? (There are rumours about her breaking up JW's marriage, but I don't know...the hate she gets is still horrible though). 
With that said, I don't know if Scorpio ASC would be appropriate with her retrograde pluto there creating strong reactions from people?


   

[Ava]

Definitely a powerful ASC, I couldn't really handle much of her this morning.

Scorpio...or maybe Cap ASC on Mars-Saturn?

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lol.. .similar to Ava I saw her pics and went "oh boy" with a sigh. She does give off a super powerful aura, it's very loud, in your face, doesn't seem like it would accommodate your energy in a room because hers is just so overpowering (I could totally be off but these were just the first impressions I got)

Maybe her Uranus is on my ASC? My mom has this with me and she has a similar in-your-face-devil-may-care vibe. This would make Olivia an early Cap rising.

Ha, her and I actually have fascinating synastry. My Saturn on her Venus, her NN on my Moon (our Moons conjunct at that), my Neptune on her Mars. We were born in the same year. I am but a mere plain Virgo Rising and I don't have similar energy to her, so she's definitely not a Virgo/Libra/Cancer/Taurus rising imo. 

[FruityLlama]

Your impressions are so interesting, thanks both for responding.  I do know what you mean, but I also think she is good at controlling it though, sort of. She seems like she doesn't want to talk about her music very much, kinda guarded. 

Ava  did you feel that after listening to her talk or her music? I cannot listen to her music for long I must admit. Its a bit shrilly

athena  Yeah, she seems to caricature herself a bit aswell, just going off her style. Everything is large- her hair, heels etc. I thought Leo because of that and the fact she looks a bit like a lion sometimes but then that might just be the eyeliner haha!

I find her a perplexing wrt people's reactions and how she is in interviews. She does seem subdued and quiet, but she gets so much hate. I must be several years behind on the gossip because I have no idea where it stemmed from.

Her Uranus is 8 deg Capricorn- do you have an early Virgo rising athena?

Re. synastry:- Oh gosh that is cool! I noticed her Cap stellium fits along my 6th and 7th house, with her Venus sitting within the 7th. Funnily enough, this opposes Jack Whites Moon exactly, which sits on my ASC! Also, her Saturn is right on my DSC, whilst Jack White's is exactly on my ASC and their Saturns obviously opposing each other exactly! I wonder how I would react to them if I met them in person haha, it sounds like a terrifying planetary sandwich 

Oh by the way, I am sure you are not a 'mere plain' anything athena !! Virgo risings are lovely and so classy imo, my mum is one ^_^

RE: Choices for ASC/Ramblings
But I see what you both mean, okay, I will rule out Virgo, Libra, Cancer and Taurus. I don't think Aquarius rising fits her either though. I don't think she is a lunar rising...maybe a 12th houser? She said in the video she likes to write moody songs but I guess that fits in with the plethora of Cap she has in her chart.
I feel like an Aqua ASC would be more loved though to be honest.

Maybe I should rule out Scorpio too as you both said her aura was quite powerful? Not that Scorpio isn't but do you mean her aura was powerful in a fiery or enigmatic way? I can't decide personally. Scorpio and Caps can be similar to me sometimes (I think someone else said that here too, was it KarkaQueen?)

-Sag would be outspoken don you think? I have a friend who also has a stellium in Cap, including moon, but is a Sag ASC and is bubbly personified, so I guess maybe this wouldn't be applied to Olivia either. 

-Gemini- I also think this would be more obvious in her manner, but then I have a friend who is a Gem riser and you wouldn't think it at all. The only thing that gives it away is the fact that she multitasks and overbooks herself quite a lot haha. Olivia does play multiple instruments though... 

-Leo seems to fit well, but I don't know what your thoughts are on this? I do feel like a Capricorn ASC with that stellium overlaying the 12th and 1st house might actually explain the strong reactions people have to her quite well. My Cap stellium friend with Sag ASC has the stellium across the 1st and 2nd, mostly 2nd I think and people do react fairly strongly to her, but I think the Sag ASC makes her come across as 'too much' sometimes and that might be why. She is otherwise quite popular. 

If Olivia had a Cap rising and all that stuff across the 12th and 1st, it might motivate those negative reactions because the Cap ASC doesn't alleviate it, if you know what I mean?

Not that Cap ASC's are miserable or anything, I am just drawing a comparison to my Cap friend with the Sag ASC and Olivia. 

I mean I know they have different luminaries too, but Aquarius is co-ruled by Saturn isn't it? I would not be surprised if Olivia's dominant planet in Pullen was Saturn!!

[FruityLlama]

Oh mind you, athena you said early Cap, so I guess again like my friend she would have stuff in the 1st and 2nd.

Sorry I am rambling I know haha
I find this activity kind of fun though. I know its not very intellectual but I am not good enough at astrology to go any deeper than the basics haha

[the89freespirit]

I think she's a Capricorn Ascendant. I cannot totally articulate why right now but that is just what my gut is telling me. Her energy just seems very solid, sensible, bottom-line. I only watched a little bit of the interview but I wouldn't call her energy very loud or over-the-top. She seems like a strong personality in that get-down-to-business Capricorn way. Also, she looks like a Capricorn: angular, simple, classic features.

[FruityLlama]

the89freespirit

Thanks so much for that. I agree having pondered a bit more. Leo maybe doesnt suit as she isnt "flashy"/opinionated haha. She has that Capricorn look in her eyes too, similar ish to Karen Elson from the last thread.

Ill put her as an early Cap ASC- Im still undecided as to whether stuff should be in her 12th or not though..

Also, presuming theyre dating, it would make sense regarding Jack Whites astro taste in women haha
He seems to like Capricorn(Saturn)/Scorpio/Leo luminaries for sure but I guess we can throw in angles too haha

Apologies, I am going through a phase if you hadnt guessed. He is on tour right now and instagram is full of pictures and gossip and suchlike. Im such a saddo 🤣🤣🤣

[the89freespirit]

Haha, I understand. I feel like Capricorn Risings are easy to spot, once you're not operating under the stereotype that they're boring sourpusses. It's like they're always on a job interview or something, which is why I find it so clear to recognize them when they're famous and actually being interviewed. Also, would she have a Scorpio Midheaven or Pluto in the 10th? That would explain making her project revolve around themes of murder and death and saying how hard it is for her to make happy music. Making a name for herself by exploring the dark side of life. It would fit.

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Actually she kinda reminds me a bit of Taylor Swift... yes she’s probably a Cap rising.
Also Chiron in 7th.,.

Like when she said I didn’t know how I come up with that. It’s almost self admiration but not in your face. I’d rule out firey or airy placement asc. The fashion is very cappy

[FruityLlama]

Oh gosh yeah you're both right, I keep forgetting about the MC. And that might also explain her being a target for sort of... bad gossip or whatever, especially when Pluto is up there too.

@theunknown that's true, because Taylor Swift also likes to write quite pessimistically doesn't she.

I'll have to remember that about them seeming like they're always in an interview the89freespirit !

I'll redo her chart and post it here. Soeaking of Cappy ASC though, who believes Ariana Grande to be a Cap ASC? Coz I really don't see it but apparently she is one. I can't think how she fits with the sort of stoic ASC traits..

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Well Ariana is totally one. She said no one ever worked as hard as she did, which a really cappy to me.

All the cappy asc I know always make it sound like they overcame insurmountable challenges, never got any help from anyone, never once admit their faults.
And yet they have this awkward overly sensitive to criticism kinda presentation...

Sorry even my cappy stellium doesn’t like them. They are a lot to deal with at time.

I love Ariana grande tho.

[FruityLlama]

Interesting, thank you @theunknown I haven't met any in real life so I don't know them well enough but I'll bear that in mind. Wow, I don't know why but Ariana seems so much more like her luminaries but again, I am not familiar with Cap ASC so I'll take your word for it haha

Do you think there is a difference between Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn and Cap ASC because I have heard JW talk ALOT, as in his interviews are basically all about how he sets boundaries for himself, and makes sure he meets his own challenges etc, sort of does things alone etc. I just put it down to that conjunction but there must be a difference right?

[the89freespirit]

I actually doubt that Ariana is Capricorn Rising, too. She was apparently once thought to be a Virgo Rising and I think that fits her better.

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Aug 22, 2018 2:25:20 GMT the89freespirit said:

I actually doubt that Ariana is Capricorn Rising, too. She was apparently once thought to be a Virgo Rising and I think that fits her better.

Well the Capricorn time is based on her father. She doesn’t smile in pictures which is an earth trait. She also keeps one fixed image. (High ponytail).

Actually the 3 ppl I know irl who have cap rising also have certain specific faces/images they go to. It’s not adaptable like Virgo or comfy/abundant like Taurus. Cap risings keep the same chosen apparearances for a long time because.., well it works.

Shirley Manson is a cap rising cap moon. She had a period of time having the same high ponytail (just not long). And she keeps the same image for a long time.

Also Ariana dyed her hair silver to honor her gramma styles in “focus” video I believe. And Pete Davidson has a stellium in Scorpio with moon in Capricorn