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Post by lumina on Jul 5, 2018 13:07:41 GMT
solunars has great interpretations of Transits (though Jim Eshelman only uses sidereal zodiac, but the description of the Transits to a large part matches my experiences as well, there are never 100% though. lol) solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=239quoting his Interpretation of Tr Pluto to Sun "PLUTO aspecting Natal SUN Your total experience of yourself, of who you are, is changing, evolving, perhaps bringing significant outer changes in the structure of your life as well. New phases begin while others are brought to a close. Major goals become even more major, and near a climax. A dominating, inconsiderate side of you may emerge as you pay, for a while, less attention to what others feel, think, and say than to what you inwardly know to be true. Of primary importance, though, is your increasingly in-turned self-awareness, and clearer perception of your inner identity, goals, and life-purposes. Old illusions cannot be maintained as easily as before, so this "recreation of self" may demand some hard confrontation of reality. IN BRIEF: Self-redefinition. Separation from old elements of your life. Awareness turns inward, perceiving selfhood more directly and reverently. Old doors close, as new ones open. Requires alone time to get acquainted with transformed identity and goals." And it seems then that Tr Pluto is on your DESC, so relationships will be impacted in a Major way "PLUTO opposite Natal ASCENDANT Dramatic changes now occur in the most personal areas of your life, particularly in intimate relationships. You are overhauling your attitudes about relating in an inner struggle to break free of old patterns, though possibly by manifesting their most difficult, incompatible elements in a current relationship. Whether you choose this route, you seem now to require a passionate intensity from any pair bonds. Interpersonal issues are handled by direct confrontation. Separation is probable if an existing relationship is not flexible enough to adapt while strong enough to contain the full force of your turbulent self-examination through projection. You seem to emphasize the competitive, separative aspects of relating; but a profound alliance is now possible in any relationship based on commitment and high regard for both people’s feelings, as well as individual rights. IN BRIEF: Dramatic changes, particularly in close relationships. Turbulent self-examination through projection. Issues handled by direct confrontation. Emphasis on competitive, separative aspects of relating; but a profound alliance is now possible." Of course this is just something to check up within a larger Approach, i guess I would first try to get a Feeling for what the eclipse might bring to life in relation to your Sun-ASC, and you will only know that if you check the aspects your Sun makes natally and the Transits to Sun, esp. of outer planets, beginning with Tr Pluto. And if progressed planets are in strong exact aspect to your Sun, those will be affected, too.
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Post by enneline on Jul 5, 2018 19:41:15 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jul 5, 2018 21:30:33 GMT
Thank you enneline . I suppose I don`t do professional readings because of the obligation-character. Here I can just verbalize some thoughts, when I am in the mood, but I don`t have any obligation to do so. And of course prof. readings are very timeintense, and I would never get to an end I suppose. lol I am also not as certain I am right, as it might sometimes come across. Speaking of the eclipse, for P this one is exactly squaring his natal Pluto (ruler of 8th house in 7th house), overlaying our composite NN, and the eclipse itself is opposite our composite Moon, with Tr Pluto just having pulled away agian from it - for now - about 2 degrees before the exact hit. Tr Pluto is exactly opposite Davison Moon however (and the eclipse is falling right there), and well also activating my Thors hammer of Vertex-Eros square Chiron and both sesisquare Mars (Tr Pluto is partile semisquare Mars, just a minor aspect, but those little tension aspects can be quite something, you never really take them into account until they hit you. lol) Tr Pluto is also conjunct my solar Arc ASC (on my natal Sun/Moon-mp), and interestingly enough P`s solar arc Mars is moving into a conjunction with his natal Pluto - not yet in exact orb, but I think about 1 degree applying. Next year should be interesting for him, also cause at the same time he is having solar Arc Pluto on 1 Sag (it just entered Sag a few months ago) squaring his natal nodal axis on 1 Virgo and obviously also his Priapus on 00 Pisces, and Eros/Psyche-mp around there too. Funny enough when we first met I was having solar arc Mars square natal Pluto (and solar arc Uranus conjunct natal Mars - well I should have taken that more seriously. lol) Anyway it seems that the eclipse is activating his whole picture, even a tad prematurely. No clue how an eclipse squaring natal Pluto feels, but it is just one degree or even partile, so it seems important. and of course he is having Tr Pluto square natal Pluto at the moment, and after that Tr Pluto will move on to conjunct his Venus, yeah looking ahead to some fun times he probably is. He`s left his Uranus-phase behind (with solar arc Uranus transiting over all his Sag-planets, Sun, Moon, MC and squaring his SAturn-VErtex-DESC) and seems to be entering a Pluto - phase, while in between there have been some interest NEptune-arcs (solar arc Neptune conjunct Venus and opposite Juno and so on). Tip of an iceberg, but like usually in charts with stellia, or exact 4th harmonic aspects, everything gets hit at the same time! Well Saturn was yesterday (last year, Tr Saturn over his Sag-planets), Pluto is coming to town. NO clue how he feels about that. Except for the fact that he has Venus square Pluto natally he is not really all that Plutonic, or he is only plutonic in respect to Venus and 7th house. Anyway I guess this eclipse is going to drive us all a bit insane. Also Celeste Teal writes this on eclipses: "The degree of an eclipse remains hot for some time due to the influence of the nodal factor that more or less turned a regular New Moon into a Super New Moon, or an ordinary Full Moon into a Super Full Moon. That degree is prone to stimulation from other transiting planets following the eclipse. The period of time that the degree remains sensitive often lasts three years or more. So, an eclipse falling on a natal planet supercharges that planet and it becomes quite sensitive to transits for a good while. In other words, more major events may come about when this eclipsed natal planet is transited by any other planetary body than if it had not been eclipsed. Ideally, each transit should be monitored. Transits of Mars and Saturn were traditionally considered to be most notable as they crossed an eclipsed degree. Mars stimulates and starts events connected with an eclipse. Mars is quick on the draw, often premature. Saturn consummates the eclipse conditions. Mars frequently activates an eclipse shortly following the eclipse, although Saturn's transit may come much later. Of course, ancient astrologers had no opportunity to observe the transits of the outer planets as they crossed an eclipsed degree. Research shows that each of the planetary transits can be traced to coincide with spectacular events as they stimulate an active eclipse, just as Mars and Saturn do." Following this train of thought, esp. the second paragraph, events should happen pretty closish to the eclipse, as Tr Pluto exactly opposite the eclipsed degree, so there is not much loss of time to wait for his transit over the eclipse, he is already there! Tr Mars won`t reach the eclipse-opposite-point for quite some time. I am curious how the transiting NOde moving over the actual eclipse degree (20 Cancer), which will happen in april/ may 2019, will behave, or if there will be any noteable effects and results. I mean the nodes are the ones deciding when an eclipse should happen by their proximity to the New or Fullmoon, so they should be a special thing, when transiting the eclipse degree, if there is osmething to that theory at least.
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 5, 2018 21:41:57 GMT
I will post back later after the event as these points straddle my ASC/DSC by 1degree...
ill probably just make me become stressed tbh 🤣
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Post by Ava on Jul 5, 2018 21:58:15 GMT
lumina , thanks for the info. "The period of time that the degree remains sensitive often lasts three years or more. So, an eclipse falling on a natal planet supercharges that planet and it becomes quite sensitive to transits for a good while. In other words, more major events may come about when this eclipsed natal planet is transited by any other planetary body than if it had not been eclipsed. Ideally, each transit should be monitored." Right..... 20.33 Cancer, my son's sun 20.30 Cancer, my comp Mars w/ my husband 20.33 Cancer, my comp Juno w/ my husband 21 Cancer, our comp ASC w/ rectified birth time === In case anyone's interested, draco chart for the eclipse: ^ East Coast, USA
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 22:17:41 GMT
This makes some pretty good aspects in my chart.. just at a glance
sextile my Sun (5°) sextile my ASC (5°) opposite my Saturn (5°) trine my Pluto (4°) trine my Mars (1°)
That last (last) Full Moon on May 29th wrecked havoc on my life, so I'm hoping the healing properties of Cancer + the eclipse factor will do some much needed smoothing over. Granted this will be in my 10th house, but I'm hoping my personal life gets some benefits too.
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Post by Ava on Jul 6, 2018 2:28:25 GMT
athena - thanks for reminding me, if I use wider orbs then it looks more positive. Eclipse trine moon & NN...grand water trine.
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Post by lumina on Jul 6, 2018 7:21:15 GMT
Aspects to eclipses are 2, up to 3 degrees (for conjunction/ opposition). If it doesn`t hit anything, it doesn`t hit anything. But be sure to include your progressed charts. Also trines, sextiles are nice, but won`t really be a sign of big events happen, though I believe that IF there are tight dynamic aspects to your natal chart AND the soft ones, than those can serve as a cushion, to make the transition a little smoother. Ava I would count the trine of the eclipse to your Moon and of course to your nodal axis, it has just 1-2 degree orbs, right? Just taking your natal into account, the impact won`t be as immediate and strong as for others, who are more directly hit, but might be more a gradual change taking place. HOWEVER, you do have solar arc Venus on 19 Capricorn which is of course conjuncted by Transiting Pluto. and obviously hit big time by the eclipse. Seeing that your solar return has an exact Sun-Venus-conjunction, I really wonder what is going to happen in your love life, your emotional being and your relationships that year. If you weren`t already married I`d say time is ripe for an allconsuming extremely transformative and passionate falling in love experience, and that Solar Eclips and Pluto are heating the solar arc Venus up even more. It`s interesting, frank Clifford calls transits to Solar arc placements "shadow transits" when content that youve encountered before (Possibly in a bit of a different way) will come up and sort of have to be addressed again. The original transit would have been Transit Pluto on your natal Venus. Whatever happened then, something of it is resurfacing again, possibly to try a different approach in dealing with it. I think that would take you back to 1998 if I recall it right. (I do recall that with Tr Pluto on my Mars-ASC my maternal grandfather died, and with Tr Pluto on my solar arc Mars and/ or ASC my paternal grandmother died - not the kind how we want those shadow transits to work. Of course the deaths were accompanied by something far more in terms of personal changes, processing etc.)
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Post by Ava on Jul 6, 2018 12:41:50 GMT
WOW lumina - incredible! Thanks for pointing this out to me, I definitely would have missed it. Venus-Pluto reminds me of the song "Wrecking Ball" so I'm listening to that. LOL Well I definitely was some kind of wrecking ball back in 1998, and I don't mean this in a good way. Tr Pluto on my Venus. This could be made worse by the fact that I have Venus-Pluto in my heliocentric chart and Taurus/Scorpio nodes, Venus & Pluto dispositing them. Something is on the horizon with those double eclipses on my sun and Saturn early next year. This could be foreshadowing it. I just have no idea what on earth it could be, apart from something really bad and not worth looking forward to. Fingers crossed......
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 6, 2018 16:05:40 GMT
^ That's interesting. I just looked up my solar arc chart, need help interpreting it.
Can someone please explain solar arcs to me? And how they differ from progressions?
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Post by Ava on Jul 6, 2018 16:24:47 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 6, 2018 16:26:45 GMT
Cool, thanks! I'll read up on it. Good on ya for posting that - saved me some googling.
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Post by lumina on Jul 6, 2018 17:27:21 GMT
Today ia the Last Quarter square of sun and moon. The crisis Point plunging US Into the Arms of the Eclipse, or the all consuming abyss of Pluto 😂 in the diurnal of p and my composite IT IS exact to the Minute lol. Grand Cross with composite venus-psyche square. Guess the Show will BE intense
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Post by lumina on Jul 6, 2018 17:29:10 GMT
Venus-pluto square. Psyche IS somewhere else
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 13:23:23 GMT
It will be on my babys DSC(his next LR also has his DSC and ASC switched within the same degree as this upcoming eclipse), as well as my Dr Sun. I will be experiencing my Juno return at the same time(its at the apex of a YOD), and I had my venus return today. Natally the eclipse will be in my 9th house(i have cancer intercepted there), but it looks like relationships are going to be impacted for me. We will see.
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Post by lumina on Jul 8, 2018 6:31:50 GMT
"WE will See" IS probably the best to approach an Eclipse.
Btw did anyone experience Something interesting bthis friday or saturday in the Quarter moon, Something Like a crisis Point or wrapping Up or understanding some past stuff, AS IT was a Last Quarter moon? Probably this pertains mainly to those with planets around 14 degree of Cardinals signs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 10:03:11 GMT
I had a weirdish experience Saturday, was nearly accused of shoplifting, I guess looking around the huge store for a worker to ask a price made me seem suspicious, does this count lol. But, was also very emotional all day a kind of empty feeling. Friday not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 11:39:11 GMT
Yes I did...I told my bf that until all this stuff is sorted we cannot be a couple anymore. Realised that his dr jupiter is around 15 deg libra too. He is making alot of effort to change my mind and doesnt think im serious... Weird few days....
Also I was the victim of card fraud last night. Luckily my bank blocked my card and informed me otherwise i wouldnt have noticed til its too late....it wasnt a big loss but still. Never happened to me before....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 11:57:16 GMT
vgSorry about all that, does sound like it shook everything up for you. Hopefully from now it gets better for you
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Post by Ava on Jul 8, 2018 15:05:31 GMT
"WE will See" IS probably the best to approach an Eclipse. Btw did anyone experience Something interesting bthis friday or saturday in the Quarter moon, Something Like a crisis Point or wrapping Up or understanding some past stuff, AS IT was a Last Quarter moon? Probably this pertains mainly to those with planets around 14 degree of Cardinals signs. Dat's me. Well for one thing I finally worked up the nerve to write to my friend from childhood and ask her about our mutual friend whose father just died. I have a weird complex.....insecurity.....that made this very difficult for me. I mean for all my boldness and extroversion there's a part that is shy to the point of paralysis, I won't make phone calls or take too many social risks. Anyway, there was a Uranian-feeling moment and I thought, "To hell with it, I need to know," and then waited a few days for her to reply, which felt a bit like a crisis..........thinking "Damn, I won't get a reply." It's just that these friends mean a lot to me but we drifted apart over the years. The stakes are kinda high-- I would LOVE to have them back in my life. Fortunately my friend did reply, all is well, we're making plans for the three of us to go out for dinner together. Whew
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