Progressed draconic chart

[Ava]

I know this sounds too obscure to be meaningful. 

But my husband's draconic sun is progressing in conjunction with my progressed sun. 

That got my attention. I must've seen that before and forgotten and just stumbled into it again, and I'm shocked (again). 

Now I wonder what else has been going on with these. (?)

My pr draco sun is currently @ 13 Cancer....the transiting sun is about to hit that....I'll let you know if anything happens, though it might be Cancerian, aka minor events contained within a hard shell, nothing to speak of in public. Who knows. 

In the meanwhile....

If you're interested in checking this out, do you have any findings to share?  

[lumina]

I think that if Draconics are meaningful (and they are! we know that) then the progressed Draco would be as well, in relation to the Draconic meaning of course (so applying a North NOde-twist to anything that comes up).

The only reason I am not always checking it, is that sometimes it seems just too much too juggle. But that doe snot mean it is meaningless, just that I am getting overwhelmed.

This weekend Transiting Sun is going over my progressed DSC - albeit the tropical one. and my progressed Saturn. oh well.

[lumina]

this is P`s natal draco chart with my progressed draco chart in the outer ring.



poems by Christopher Marlowe


the reverse: my natal draco with his pr draco

poems by Christopher Marlowe

[Ava]

Wow, lumina - how on earth did you make those? It's like a miracle!!



Right, I know what you mean, just too many types of charts to look at. But we seem to do okay, taking them one at a time.

P's pr draco Mars on your draco sun, in ARIES. Well then.

His pr moon-ASC on tr Saturn, roundabouts?

I don't know if we can just snap together tropical and draco however we wish. It's experimental as far as I know.

[lumina]

no miracle. I had the progressed charts for saturday already saved and just made a Draco chart from them.

yes, pr Mars on my Draco sun, but separating, it`s still applying to my Mercury though.

his pr Moon-ASC on 7 Cap, separating from my tropical Venus on 6 Cap, and I think Tr Saturn is at 5 Cap.

And sure we can snap together tropical and draco, it`s what we always do with the natal draco charts as well. Of course we are getting like a gazillion charts to look at which is why I probably would just check for direct overlays (conjunctions, possibly oppositions).

Funny enough my pr Draco Moon is at 17 Cap, opposing my own natal tropical Saturn on 17 Cancer, whatever that means.

[lumina]

I also like the partile conjunction of Venus-Uranus in the progressed Dracos. And one more time Uranus-Juno is coming up how strange. seems current timeframe is dominated my Uranus-Juno. I have it in solar arc, on saturday is an Uranus-Juno-conjunction in the transits, and actually in my diurnal chart this conjunction will be exact to one minute of arc. which just means that the transiting conjunction peaks just around my time of birth. lol (though I think that was actually on friday)
Also, my diurnal chart is going to have Aqua-DESC, ruler Uranus conjunct Juno in the 10th house of my diurnal chart, partile conjunct my natal 5th house cups, and having this partile opposition to my natal and pr Uranus.

Since this is the ruler of the DESC, making all this, it seems to come from an external source, another person, an encounter, or the way I relate to other people.

the chartruler on the other hand will be more hidden that day, in Cancer, in 12th house of diurnal chart and in my own natal 8th house, and of course applying to a conjunction with my natal Saturn, and conjunct my progressed DESC in partile conjunction for these two days.

Saturn vs Uranus? as a theme I mean?

sorry it does not have anything to do with the dracos. lol

[Ava]

So back in March I got word that maybe my ex would like to talk to me again.

I tend to use a 5:30 am birth time for him because I vaguely remember him telling me that, but it could be my imagination (VERY vague "memory"). With that birth time, on that day, he had pr draco moon-Mars exact @ 6°44 Aries.

Which is interesting because our draco comp sun is at 5° Aries, and we've proven ourselves highly sensitive to that degree in the past.

Or maybe it's all random number juggling. (?)

But I don't think so.

Edit: Oops I had this screen up and didn't see that you'd written. Reading now....

[Ava]

lumina

"no miracle. I had the progressed charts for saturday already saved and just made a Draco chart from them."

OHHHH, I've really under-used that "Add these data to My Astro" command.

For the curious (those who are reading), if you don't know already, you can progress a chart, save it, then work with it like a natal chart, creating synastry bi-wheels.

"And one more time Uranus-Juno is coming up how strange. seems current timeframe is dominated my Uranus-Juno. I have it in solar arc, on saturday is an Uranus-Juno-conjunction in the transits, and actually in my diurnal chart this conjunction will be exact to one minute of arc. which just means that the transiting conjunction peaks just around my time of birth. lol"

WHOA!! Well what the heck?

Okay I see there is Juno-Uranus @ 2 Taurus, don't know the minutes. This is happening with tr sun opp my natal pretty exactly.

DRACO VERSION @ 26 Sag, how funny And the draco moon's going to be there that day, too.

Interesting about the dracos, though 12H activity can be rather boring for a spectator like myself.

"the chartruler on the other hand will be more hidden that day, in Cancer, in 12th house of diurnal chart and in my own natal 8th house, and of course applying to a conjunction with my natal Saturn, and conjunct my progressed DESC in partile conjunction for these two days."

Well still waters run deep.

I hope he auctions off something very cool, and you win that auction, by the way. It'd just be nice to have his stuff around (don't you think?)

[lumina]

Ava

"Okay I see there is Juno-Uranus @ 2 Taurus"

Well I am going to be there a day earlier actually, decided rather impulsively getting there on friday already.

Actually I realized mostly, when the assitant was asking me if I could be earlier and do the first shift barbecuing (I told her that I am totally not useful when it Comes to practical things like that though, and that I wouldn´t be able to make it earlier), that it would be really difficult with getting there. I mean I would make it, but I wouldn`t be able to check into my Hotel before the Event, so I would have to wear the clothes from the Train, and I Kind of do not feel comfortable with that thought. And luck had it that (at a different Hotel, the one I was staying in the first time 4 years ago fro the whitsun Festival) there was one room left for friday to saturday (everything is actually sold out, so I was surprised, someone must have cancelled). Of course it means I will have to Change Hotels on saturday, but I can do that after the Barbecue, and I am sure I can leave my bag at the first Hotel until after the Barbecue, so that seems to be the better alternative. And since I am already being there, I thought of going to see Les Miserables on friday already, of course I am going to be on a worse seat then, but it surely will beat sitting alone in the Hotel that evening. lol

Maybe that was already the Manifestation of Uranus-Juno, me making a rather unpredictable decision. Not sure what that has to do with Juno though.

Interestingly Ceres is transiting the beginning of Virgo, so somewhen from friday-sunday, there will be an Exact Grand trine of transiting Ceres in Virgo, transiting Uranus-Juno in Taurus to my natal Vesta on 1 Cap. (I guess rather thursday/friday than saturday/sunday)

"DRACO VERSION @ 26 Sag, how funny And the draco moon's going to be there that day, too. "

Oh I did not know that! Yes you are right, on our Composite Sun and opposing Draco Composite Venus on 25 Gemini.

Actually I had a glance at the draco Chart of saturday, and the beginning of the Event has Draco ASC on 26 Aries, exactly on our Draco Composite MC, and of course my Draco Venus and his Draco Saturn-DESC are on 25-26 Aries as well.

another funny Thing is, that Draco Venus will be on 20 Aries that day - and the last time we were talking after a Composite Tropical Venus was on 21 Aries. LOL (on our Draco progressed Composite Mars on 21 Aries and Draco Composite Uranus on 21 Aries).

Hmm, our Draco composite seems to have

pr c Mars (21°48 Aries) conjunct c Uranus (21°37 Aries) - with Uranus, not just being the chartruler of Tropical composite (chartruler of Draco composite is Moon) but being the most elevated planet just 4 degrees before the MC-

Also of course opposes the composite NN on 20°46 Libra (and his own Tropical Pluto on 21°23 Libra)

Uranus again I suppose. Not predictable.

oh and just for good measure our Draco composite Juno is on 1°33 Taurus, opposing my Tropical Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio, and conjunct my Tropical 5th house cusp on 1°35 Taurus (and his Tropical Vesta is on 2°59 Taurus), so the Transiting Uranus-Juno on 2 Taurus hits that as well.

"Interesting about the dracos, though 12H activity can be rather boring for a spectator like myself. "

Yes, I expect it to be a completely introspective only reflective Thing, nothing like an outer Event. msotly just in my head I guess. lol

"I hope he auctions off something very cool, and you win that auction, by the way. It'd just be nice to have his stuff around (don't you think?) "

Well, only if it is something I would really want.

[lumina]

to be honest, I find it easier to check the Draconic progressed Composite, just because it is fewer Charts to be kept in my mind. lol And also mostly we are interested in how something affects the relationship/ Connection, so it makes sense too. Alternatively I would check what is being hit simultaneously in both Charts to see what might be relevant to the synastry directly.

For example in Tropical

his pr Mercury is applying in a partile conjunction to my pr Sun on 10 Aquarius - and the transiting Mercury-Mars-Opposition will be closish (though not exact, I think it might be in a range of 1-2 degrees? though it could be the Tr Mercury will be exactly opposite)

Anyway this might be relevant in some way, while the transiting Saturn conjunct my Venus might be just relevant to myself.

(and actually his wife, as it activates her T-square of Neptune on 3 Cap as Apex to the wide Opposition of Sun on 8 Aries to Juno on 4 Libra and her Moon is somewhere in the beginning of Cancer, so while not necessarily at the Moment, Transiting Saturn is moving along that Grand cross for the whole year; he doesn`t really have anything outstanding int he early cardinal degrees, except his Karma on 3 Libra and his Ceres on 7 Aries - I do Keep those in the back of my mind though, still having a tight watch on Ceres, about how important this dwarfplanet might be and if I have always underestimated ist Impact)

[12YearsABlob]

Jul 3, 2018 19:28:27 GMT Ava said:

I know this sounds too obscure to be meaningful.

Not at all!

(Off the top of my head) You know, when I moved here - my progressed draconic Moon was closely conjunct natal IC!! How cool is that? Quite literally a 'change of home'. Pr dr Pluto was exactly on nPholus. PrDr Uranus on drDsc, oppositing drMoon (original draco moon, or natal draco moon? lol I dunno what to call it, sticking with dr for now). And I think pr Dr Jupiter was squaring my drSun.

Will look into this a bit more and be back with more examples, hopefully.

[Ava]

lumina

"Well, only if it is something I would really want."

That is so Cap Venus conjunct transiting Saturn! Or maybe it just seems so, in comparison to my Sag Venus conjunct Neptune, where I would pay for and keep his bubble gum wrappers or any object. Useful for telemetry.

But let's see, you have tr draco Venus coming up on your pr draco comp Mars, draco comp Uranus-SN? Well you're meeting up at least....that already says something.

"oh and just for good measure our Draco composite Juno is on 1°33 Taurus, opposing my Tropical Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio, and conjunct my Tropical 5th house cusp on 1°35 Taurus (and his Tropical Vesta is on 2°59 Taurus), so the Transiting Uranus-Juno on 2 Taurus hits that as well."

Who knows what this is foretelling but I'm going to be optimistic and say your bond will be acknowledged pretty openly. Already the stage has been set for that.

"to be honest, I find it easier to check the Draconic progressed Composite, just because it is fewer Charts to be kept in my mind. lol And also mostly we are interested in how something affects the relationship/ Connection, so it makes sense too."

I guess so, unless there's a tight synastry conjunction.

But I haven't looked at pr draco composites much. First thing that comes to mind is, when I learned H might want to talk again, our pr draco comp sun was and is exactly @ 20 Taurus, exactly on my SN. But as time goes by I'm thinking it gets sillier and sillier for me to expect anything to come of that and to even mention it. You understand where I'm coming from, right? Not clinging to hope, but wanting to use the event to learn astrology.

"I do Keep those in the back of my mind though, still having a tight watch on Ceres, about how important this dwarfplanet might be and if I have always underestimated ist Impact"

*nodding* I haven't given it too much thought, either.

[Ava]

12YearsABlob

Thanks for the examples.

Pr draco moon on IC, and you've told me that in some ways you feel more comfortable or "at home" in this new environment. PrDr Uranus on natal draco ASC-DSC axis, well maybe you've seen yourself differently, being in a new place, and that factors into your relationships, with some ups and downs because of it (not putting up with same old cr*p, to look at it optimistically.)

I have to study these more, too.

Some random findings:

- My pr draco Venus on the day I met my husband was @ 15 Taurus, exactly on his SN. My pr draco moon @ 25 Taurus, exactly on my natal draconic sun. My pr draco sun @ 20.00 Gemini, inconjunct my nodes with no orb.

His pr draco Neptune @ 18 Pisces, exact on my pr draco Uranus and natal moon. Weird. He also had sun-Mercury-Mars-DSC on my natal DSC (opp his sun).

- When my oldest son was born, my pr draco IC conjunct natal NN with just 0.23° orb, assuming my chart's right.

- Sorry to be morbid but w/ my parents' deaths...my mother's pr draco sun @ 14 Pisces exactly conjunct tr draco Neptune. At that time, my pr draco Uranus @ 18.12 Pisces (my rectified moon is @ 18.12 Pisces).

My father died with his pr draco sun tightly conjunct natal sun-Mars in Libra. Square tr draco sun in Cap.

Yeah, starting to think there is something to this.......

[Ava]

My husband and I have our draco composite sun @ 8 Pisces, and when we got married, my ex H had pr draco sun-Pluto @ 7-8 Pisces. I'm sure this must've killed him.

Just wishful thinking...

No I'm kidding but that is kinda weird.

Edit, H's natal draco Mars-Venus @ 8 Pisces, so whatever he was going through then must've been pretty intense. 

===

Okay speaking of him...

In a few years (2021) his PrDr sun will be @ 0 Aries. At the same time, my PrDr moon will be at 1 Aries. Our PrDr composite has my name @ 0 Aries, opp Jupiter @ 1 Libra.

PrDr comp has his name @ 19.54 Leo, tightly squaring my nodes (0.06 orb). His PrDr chart has my name @ 15 Aries on my Jupiter and draco Venus. 

His PrDr moon in Taurus will be more or less on my SN and draco sun....our PrDr Venus @ 25 Taurus exact on my draco sun. This is conjunct the PrDr sun @ 23° and trine Cap Mars @ 21°. Grand trining his natal Virgo sun. 

His PrDr Venus @ 4 Taurus exact on his SN. My PrDr Mars @ 4 Scorpio exact on his NN. My PrDr Venus @ 16 Gem exact on my natal Mars.

All this with my PrDr sun @ 16 Cancer opposing my natal sun. 

[lumina]

Ava

"That is so Cap Venus conjunct transiting Saturn! "
Haha, maybe.

"where I would pay for and keep his bubble gum wrappers or any object."
I am counting on fans being like this! lol Which is why I think any merchandise from HIS hands would auction off well, even if the people have the stuff at home a dozen times already. lol
Well, for me a bubble gum wrapper is just that, a bubble gum wrapper. 
However I have to admit that I of course kept his handwritten Thank-you-note of last year. Yes I am sentimental like that, and it reminds me that yes, there is something special/ unique, at least one time there was. 
I remember that day so well (it was 15th march 2017), but I guess mostly cause I had been at an acting workshop all day, where I had go beyond my comfort zone, and allowed physical closeness/ touching at some points! It was outrageous. LOL 
So this day was even intense and eventful before, but I thought it was a really sweet and touching gesture. Might also have had to do with us having a little midnight chat some nights before. LOL He tends to get mellow the more often there is contact, and tends to close up, if there is none. But anyway yes I can be sentimental like that, I very often am, but only if things mean anything to me, and a bubble gum wrapper wouldn`t. 


"But let's see, you have tr draco Venus coming up on your pr draco comp Mars, draco comp Uranus-SN? Well you're meeting up at least....that already says something.
"
Yeah I guess. Though right now I don`t feel it. Actually everything for the last week has just felt surreal, like I stumbled in some kind of bizarre twilight zone. 
But he makes me do things I never thought I would, like creating a poster with project informations which took me like over an hour. lol I should be better doing this being a teacher and all. The funny thing is I am sure noone expects that of me, it would be totally enough to just print out the informations from the internet, I wouldn`t have to save it to my computere and work on it and then put it onto a huge poster. Not even sure this is a good idea. Maybe it`s just too much. 
Actually I do sometimes wonder. Why am I doing all of this? Well it`s a good project after all that deserves all the support it can get. 

Unfortunately I am also having a cold since today. lol WEll last time I got a cold after I left there, now I am bringing my cold back there, seems somehow cyclic. lol 


"Who knows what this is foretelling but I'm going to be optimistic and say your bond will be acknowledged pretty openly. Already the stage has been set for that.
"
Hmm, not even sure about that. Right now I am completely out of any crush-zone, for some reason. So not even sure if there is a bond left. well there is a bond left of course, we apparently like supporting the same good cause and have that thing in common that we think he is a great performer. lol 
Well your Venus-Neptune might not like it, but I am just in that realistic mode, and no, I do not feel upset or sad about it. Just that "It is what it is" kind of pragmatism. 
I guess I just lost that dreamy-factor or whatever it could be called. No magic rose coloured sparkly dew or dust. Just the stark reality, which is actually intriguing, it`s something I`ve never encountered before. But of course a little more fantasizing would be nice, but that isn ot in my cards, at least not right now. 

I guess it is Tr Saturn on my Venus. lol 
and on his Draconic Moon-ASC, so he probably feels that reality-thing, too. 

Though it is most wondrous and I marvel at the strong connections that there are at the moment, like pr Moon exactly conjunct each other`s natal DESC this weekend, or this month. Or his pr Moon conjunct his pr ASC on my natal DESC exact. 
my pr Venus on his natal Priapus-SN and Eros/Psyche-mp, in Pisces. 

of course his pr Venus is also exactly trine my pr Saturn, on his Solar Return DESC, and my natal Saturn conjuncts my Solar Return dESC this year, and actually my pr DESC is 2 degrees conjunct my Solar Return DESC as well, and this weekend Tr Sun is transiting there, most closely to his Solar Return DESC and my pr DESC. 

Maybe in this instance it is more the realism and separativeness of Saturn I sense, instead of anything more dreamy. To be honest I am not even THAT keen on seeing him again. Don`t know, feels just weird. But then again Tr Uranus opposes my Uranus and trines my Vesta, might just be a little freedom-oriented at the moment, fiercely independent, and cannot risk to have my delusions of centredness and safety and All-by-myself, being shaken up or shattered. lol 
I do look forward to seeing the show tomorrow though. Everyone tells me it is great, also everyone tells me they cried tons of tears, well I am not the kind of really crying at musicals or films (unless injustice is portrayed, but that is more like tears of anger and frustration, or in Moulin Rouge, it is really pathetic, I am crying everytime, I know the scene is coming up but I still cry every freaking time! And not when she dies, but when Ewan Mc Gregor breaks down and starts crying THAT is what brings tears even to me, if someone else cries, so as long noone cries on stage I am safe I think. lol)

"I guess so, unless there's a tight synastry conjunction.
"
Yes, our Draconic Venus-Saturn-conjunction falls onto our Draco composite MC. I suppose that means it is an important one. 


" You understand where I'm coming from, right? Not clinging to hope, but wanting to use the event to learn astrology.
"
Yes I understand that very well. 

[Ava]

lumina

No crush at the moment? Maybe seeing him on stage will bring it back to life........

"Actually everything for the last week has just felt surreal, like I stumbled in some kind of bizarre twilight zone."

Ah, we have this sun trine Neptune stuff going on...sun-Jupiter-Neptune grand trine...and the moon was just in that mix.

Yesterday was surreal for me. We were on my college campus two hours' drive from here, in the rain, and no one else was there --- not a single soul. It was really like a dream scenario, very fun, too.

"I guess I just lost that dreamy-factor or whatever it could be called. No magic rose coloured sparkly dew or dust. Just the stark reality, which is actually intriguing, it`s something I`ve never encountered before. But of course a little more fantasizing would be nice, but that isn ot in my cards, at least not right now."

I can relate cuz my pr Cap Venus opp Saturn has felt like that....I don't watch romance movies, hardly ever, and I have been a little color blind to romance.

I wasn't expecting that of you though...or at least, not so sudden and complete-looking. Tr Aries moon square your Venus? Well I don't want to pry or astrologize everything.

But we'll see.