Karen Elson Rising Sign guess

[FruityLlama]

Its a bit hard finding photos of her that are a bit more natural as she is a top model and so most official modelling photos are heavily edited. 

I was curious about her rising sign though because I just can't place it at all. I wondered Aquarius but not sure really. It'd be interesting if she was and her moon was in her 7th as she famously married and divorced Jack White, a cancer sun/moon/saturn. 

Here are photos and her natal:



She does come across as a Leo moon to me when speaking though as she is quite a chatterbox. She speaks a lot about lack of self confidence when she was younger, but she does also have quite a lot of Capricorn planets. I don't know whether I am picking up on these instead because obviously Aquarius would give her Saturn as a co-CR, which is in Virgo and I can't decide if that feels right. 

I thought Aquarius because of her appearance but also because she speaks a bit about her supportive friendship groups, feeling like an outcast as a young'un, being fairly eccentric especially when with JW (they threw a divorce party before things turned a bit nasty for a bit). 

Venus conjunct her MC would be indicative of a modelling career, Neptune in it as well as her modelling has been very muse-y- if you google her modelling photos she looks like a completely different person in all of them its amazing. She is also a songstress now, and Neptune on 10th I think can represent people who look into loads of different career roles. 

Also, since embarking on a singing career away from Jack White she has spoken about being still compared/talked about in relation to him (moon in 7th in Leo- dealing with living in ex's shadow/perception of???) (also sorry as I am doing that now haha)

Mars-sun conjunction in Saturn- I don't know what to make of that. 

[Ava]

At first glance I thought Taurus ASC or ASC conjunct Saturn. But now I see she's a Cap sun, so that explains the Cap look in her eyes.



Definitely seems more like a masculine ASC than feminine, and solid/direct enough that I can see how the ASC might be fixed. So I like your guess. Aqua ASC seems more confident than Leo in my experience. People say Leo ASC is confident but ego concerns can get heavy. I think Aqua ASC is better at maintaining personal distance, may even shock people for fun, they know that what you see is only the surface of what you get.

I can recognize her Sag Venus there and suspect it aspects her ASC, so I like it as you have it.

But I am SUCH an amateur with this, really.

[the89freespirit]

I'm definitely getting an Aquarius Rising vibe. I know nothing about her but my first thought was that she looks like David Bowie when he was young, who was also a Capricorn with an Aquarius Rising. It's a bit tempting to say Capricorn Rising because there is a clear Capricorn element to her appearance: really angular, classical features, nice bone structure. But, Capricorn Risings look either very stern or very downbeat in photos where they're not full-on smiling. I think the Capricorn vibe I'm getting is just her Sun sign coming through because the Suns aren't as intimidating as the Risings.

Aquarius feels accurate because of that airy sort of aloofness in the photos. Her face looks "light" but there is still an iciness to her expression. I notice she's doing the same thing that I do most of the time in photos: give a little half-smile (I rarely do a full smile with teeth, which is the Saturn co-rulership, I think), stay cool, don't engage too much. It's that nonchalant, zoned-out Aquarius Rising expression; detaching from the moment and thinking of something more amusing or interesting and not caring too much about what's happening. Also, since she's a Leo Moon, I would venture that her Moon is right in her 7th, which explains her marriage (7th House) to someone with many Cancer planets (Moon). And what you said she said about herself would also fit.

[FruityLlama]

the89freespirit , thanks ever so much for that- I also wondered about Libra or Taurus ASC because I was wondering about Sag Venus being a CR, BUT I am not entirely sure it fits. An aspect to her ASC from Venus would make a lot more sense in terms of the way she carries herself.

interesting about Leo ASCs- thank you, I don't know many to be honest, only one and he is incredibly cheerful, but has a Virgo sun and Taurus moon. I think you are right though, Aquarius by itself probably has a thicker skin in terms of ego and feelings.

Jk Rowling is a Leo sun, Aqua rising and I wonder if a combination of these opposing signs together can give people this odd feeling of being confident enough in themselves to put themselves out there and accept fame, yet also portray themselves with more fragile egos. Like they swing between this axis of either being very confident in themselves or not at all.

I didn't write that eloquently but I hope I made sense haha

Also love that bit about David Bowie, now I can't unsee it!!   

[FruityLlama]

Oh my god Ava I am such an idiot, I meant to tag you in my reply about Taurus ASC *facepalm*

Ive only just noticed, forgive me and my stupidity, I am not sleeping well due to the heat


But yes, thank you both for such fab insights and your help

[the89freespirit]

Haha, I did get confused for a second, like "I didn't say anything about Leo Rising". But, I figured something like that would happen.

And as a Leo with an Aquarius Rising, I sort of see what you're saying. But I think it's more so about figuring out the difference between a superficial kind of confidence that is dependent on people's reactions and a deeper, higher-level confidence that needs no one's approval. You spend your life veering between the two until you mature. Aquarius doesn't lack confidence just because it opposes Leo. It's just as confident, if not more, but on a different octave. So, it's a combination that makes you very confident but it's about learning how to manage that self-assurance so it doesn't become either narcissistic or alienating (which is how the Leo and Aquarius superiority complexes manifest, respectively).

Anyway, you're welcome!

[FruityLlama]

Yes, that's a brilliant analysis! I was sort of trying to grasp that in my head, but sometimes I forget that opposite signs are not strictly *opposite* in nature, they are actually about approaching the same topics and themes from different angles!

[FruityLlama]

To put her moon in the 7th, it would have to be an early Aqua rising, like 1 degree- I don't know if that changes much although I have just realised she will have Saturn rx conjunct NN in there too (I know it was before anyway)... hmm that seems interesting but I need to think. Lessons in internalising boundaries in relationships?! She is very Saturn-y isnt she!