First Meeting Charts (FMC) vs. It's Official Charts

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Which do you think have the most importance? 

Personally, after some relationship experiences, I'm inclined to believe that the "It's Official!" relationship charts supersede FMCs, though FMCs are invaluable on their own. 

Then I'm sure Wedding Date charts are a beast unto themselves, but I don't have one of those under my belt just yet. 

Does anyone have any data they would like to share?  

[lumina]

I think all those Charts are important, but without a first Meeting the other Charts would not exist, so if there is a birth Chart of a relationship, then it would be the Moment the two People meet for the first time. But of course the other Charts then will indicate the development. I even wonder if it makes sense to Progress the first Meeting Chart. lol

My first Meeting Chart with P is still very much in Play, and it is not an easy one. But of course other eventcharts have unfolded the theme since then.

[lumina]

Though maybe the Chart I am using as first Meeting Chart is not even the first Meeting Chart. lol Comes down to the Definition of Meeting I suppose.

[lumina]

Jun 21, 2018 18:53:14 GMT Ava said:

Jun 21, 2018 12:50:47 GMT lumina said:

I think all those Charts are important, but without a first Meeting the other Charts would not exist, so if there is a birth Chart of a relationship, then it would be the Moment the two People meet for the first time. 

But the relationship isn't necessarily born then, is it? 

Yes, the relationship is born then, just like when you first meet the world (your birthchart) the seed or potential of your development is already there, even though it is not yet manifesting it all. 

Just like that, the moment you two meet each other for the first time, the energy of the moment is written into that connection, even though it might not show itself at first. Like a New Moon representing a new beginning event hough you might not be able to see it right away, as basically the Moon seems to be absent, and only darkness all around. (is that why I feel so weird with my current Solar Return?). 

However having said that other charts coming later will of course also make themselves felt, and in fact they most probably will trigger important points in the first meeting chart. 

of course there are some more initial charts on the way, the marriage chart being a really big one representing the commitment made official and public.



Oh and of course there are different definitions of first meeting. Mine certainly is this: being in physical proximity and aware of each other and interacting, which often actually IS the chart of the first touch/ handshake. lol Or first "Hello" (said between two people, aware of each other, not a general HEllo into a room full of people; I actually wonder if the moment Jude Law was wishing the room a happy new Year, but actually just looking at me while saying this, would serve as a first meeting chart. But that would probably be overdoing it). 

I also have tried to make the moment of reconnection with P my first meeting chart, but while this one is certainly very important and indicative of a developmental leap, it simply does not make our first meeting chart obsolete. *sighs* (in fact that reconnection-chart had some features that were almost like an exploration of the first meeting chart, starting with Tr Jupiter).

[lumina]

Oh and relationship does not mean "romantic relationship" per se. Just two people, introducing their energies (for lack of better term) to each other and therefore relate to each other. If the relationship is meant to be romantic later on, the first meeting chart will also foretell this, most probably. (P`s and my first meeting chart is not so much romantic but a huge pain in the butt. lol)

[lumina]

a little bit like in his recent favourite cover song Yes I know, covering U2 is a bit of a scarilege. lol BTW I just noticed very recently that he actually put this up as a live video on the concert I couldn`t attend to last autumn, you know when he wrote me that mail that morning asking me if I was going to be there. I know I disgress, and I live in the past, but hey blame it on that Moon-Pluto-conjunction in Capricorn in our first meeting chart. lol

[lumina]

Oh and another thing I wonder even though first meeting chart is what it is, first meeting of two souls in body, but I wonder if the first time you have sex, will predict how the sexlife will be overall. Just like the marriage chart might not tell so much about the relationship per se or two people matching each other, but might have something to say about the marriage. Any "first time" is of course sort of a birth-chart of something. So in this way yes if you start dating that chart might tell something about the dating phase, but the first meeting chart will still be valid, as it is not highlighting just a specific aspect of the relationship/ relating, but giving that summary/ overview of two people together, almost like a composite.

[lumina]

Hmm just having fun with that idea, so the first time he and I interacted, like I wrote something, he wrote something, online, would be the predictive chart of the online communication? In this instance ours look like that. lol


It is probably a coincidence but it took place almost exactly a year after our "reconnection-moment" (just 2-3 days before the exact year was passed. lol)





Temporarily at a loss for words. Excuse me, why I finish laughing. (oh and naturally it would put our first meeting chart`s Jupiter onto the MC, and the reconnection-chart actually had Jupiter exactly opposite this, so this "online-initial-chart" seems to be something..lol)

[lumina]

Well HE picked the moment, I am not to blame!

(Funny enough the ASC is very close to my name in my own chart, which is at 16°58 Taurus if I do recall it rightly, and those funny 16 Scorpio-Taurus and sometimes Leo come up ALL the time, hauntingly even. and here once mroe. I wonder if the reason for this is that we have AStraea on our MC on 16 Scorpio in the composite with Eros-Priapus on 15-16 Taurus on the IC?)

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Jun 21, 2018 12:38:57 GMT Ava said:

Ok

The inner wheel here is the FMC with my husband, the outer wheel is when he asked me on a date. 




While the first meeting chart has some interesting conjunctions to our natal charts, and the FMC sun is conjunct our wedding sun (married almost exactly a year later), the first date chart is monumental. All those early Scorpio planets t-squaring Taurus Saturn (ruling my sun) and Aqua Neptune (ruling my moon), forming a tight fixed grand cross with my own Leo Saturn. 

Also, first date Uranus had moved Rx into tighter orb with my Aqua progressed sun then, my husband's Leo sun-Uranus, my Scorpio Uranus, my ASC-DSC axis (if my chart's right) and his progressed ASC-DSC axis, which was right on top of my natal axis. Catch all that?

Not sure how I fell down this particular rabbit hole, but I didn't see these charts until almost 15 years after I got married, and of course....Uranus is a gift that keeps on giving....the discovery was mind-blowing. 

Well I love Mars/NN in Virgo.. surely that must be on a planet of his, or even possibly opposite your Moon? That's a great motivational kick from first meeting to initiating a date Pluto/Moon is also gorgeous, and such a great cocktail with paired with unconventional relationships. Then you got Venus/Uranus too. So there's never a dull moment, you both keep each other on your toes. 

I like the idea of transiting Jupiter being around your Moon at this time.. the Moon, being so yin, so receptive, and Jupiter in sidereal representing the husband. Just dreamy. 

Also LOVE that Sun/Moon/Juno/Lilith stellium with Saturn as an opposition. I'm sure that alone speaks to the longevity of your marriage. What I find fascinating is how ever present 0/29 degrees is in both charts. Endings (your old lives) and new beginnings (coupled life) 

[lumina]

Ava

I love your first date Chart for sure, that intense Moon-Pluto-conjunction (while we have it in our FMC, I sort of like yours more. LOL) and especially the Sun-Venus-conjunction in Libra possibly also conjunct Juno, but definitely in a stellium with her.

Tr Jupiter on your Moon is interesting, too, I agree with athena , potential of real good emotional Feelings. Well in P`s and my FMC Tr Jupiter was the chartruler and conjunct our Composite Moon exact (on my own Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex and near his Venus and squaring his Pluto).

Well it was Retro in the Chart AND in fall or Detriment in Capricorn - the Retro probably indicating the "Need to come again, pull back, return, coming back later to finish unfinished things"

(Curiously that was pretty much literally the first Thing he said to me online, asking me to "come in again". LOL )


In our reconnection-chart, Tr Jupiter was on 20 Cancer (about 1-2 degree opposite the Jupiter of the first Meeting Chart), it was Retro AGAIN, possibly signaling the actual "return" (this is from horary Interpretation, there Retro planets are interpreted as going back, thinking twice, pulling back sometimes, and at some times also indicating a second coming, coming back.

Well in that Chart Jupiter was in the sign of its Exaltation, which is sort of nice, and obviously conjunct my Vertex and far Sun/Moon-mp and his Draco Neptune. (and our Davison Moon is at the same degree)

At the time of the first Workshop, Tr Jupiter was on 19 Libra, squaring These Jupiter-positions. Hu? What is going to happen once Tr Jupiter hits 20 Aries I wonder now? lol (and of course once it Comes back to Capricorn as well)

(Of course at that time of the Workshop, Tr Jupiter was opposing Tr Uranus on 20 Aries along our Composite nodal axis with his Pluto on 21 Libra and my Chiron on 20 Aries)



Anyway back to your Charts - I do think that the Mercury-Saturn-conjunction in the first Meeting Chart makes itself felt though, at least from what I recall from what you have been writing about, especially one or two years back.

Also the Venus-Uranus in the FMC speaks of your whirlwind romance for sure, even though it seems wide. How wide is the conjunction?

[lumina]

I was also thinking ... and I think the most recent "phasal chart" (starting a new "phase of connection" between P and me) was probably when I was attending the first workshop with him; I used not the beginning time of the workshop, but the moment at the end of it, when we had a few moments and he was suddenly giving me a hug. Which was definitely a new thing. lol

(it was also taking place a few hours after my Solar Return and before his Solar return. so pretty much our composite solar return)


This is the chart of that moment





This is MY event composite with it: 






HIS event composite with it




How come I Never saw that one before? I Mean of ALL charts I keep on randomly checking, and I glossed over that important moment? lol

[lumina]

Hi Ava

"He has Mars conjunct Pluto square his nodes."
Yes, it is almost funny that I was having Venus conjunct Neptune in mine.

"Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do"





okay, maybe not that matching, but I will take every opportunity I get to post random videos. lol 


 
". And this is a good case study for EVC synastry: his MC conjunct your Venus-Neptune-Uranus (square YOUR nodes)."
Yes, and on his own n Venus on 25°55 Cap.
Seems that for me Venus-Neptune-(Uranus) was a skipped step, and for him Mars-Pluto.


"ort of a crossroads moment of connection.
"
I think it was. 



"Jupiter was stationary direct @ 23° Scorpio,"
Really? I did not know that? BTW P`s Uranus is on 23 Scorpio, and our composite Valentine-Lust-conjunction is on 22-23 Scorpio opposing Juno on 22 Taurus. lol

Hmm, stations are always emphasizing something, interesting. I wonder when Jupiter will be direct on it again.
Seems this will be the case in october. 


"I started getting "buzzy" about possibly hearing from H, then on the day it turned retrograde, pretty certain that's when my friend called to let me know about the upcoming funeral and how she had to contact H after she hung up the phone with me. "
That is sooo textbook. Retro planets being about coming back to something, dealing with unfinished business, reevaluating, returning.
BTW the last time P and me were talking fact to face (in march) Mercury turned retrograde ON THAT day. lol (on 16 Aries, so it was on his wife`s Mercury-Venus-his name conjunction and also on her Draco Chiron and my Draco Sun-Mercury, and opposing P`s and my composite Pluto tightly)

"The Venus-Uranus conjunction is less than 4°, with Venus @ 15.25 Aqua, Uranus @ 11.30 Aqua. And you know, I have several planets around 15°, so Venus is rather significant there.
"
Yes definitely major factor!




"7H stellium with Scorpio moon-Mercury on the DSC, Cap Mars on the MC, and you two can make a simple business transaction seem hot."
LOL
Always a weird second layer to what is being said.

"But oh, sun-Saturn...yeah....*groan* Nothing's ever easy.
"
Exactly. And he seems to need Sun-Saturn, or Moon-Saturn for that matter. Well the first meeting chart had an exact square of Sun-Saturn and trine of Moon-Saturn. 
and on both previous fanmeetings Moon was conjunct Saturn (just the first time in scorpio, the second in Sagittarius) and nope this time Moon is NOT going to be conjunct Saturn (*mumbling to myself* Not going to mention, Moon is going to be conjunct Uranus and Juno that day.)