Synchronized Solar Arcs

[lumina]

Most astrologers say that there are some things to consider with solar arcs:

1. Only check them against the natal (since each planet is moved with the Motion of the Sun, the aspects among solar arcing planets within a Chart will stay the same)

2. only check hard aspects (because only those will propell you to Change or indicate a Major Event to happen)

3. Never EVER compare them to another person`s Chart.

4. the orb never exceeds one degree, actually it is even less

While I agree with that in term of predictive personal astrology to see what Major Events are looming around the Corner -

- for me that would be

sa Mars square n Chiron 0°37 a - it has just begun and will be exact in around 7,5 months, so approximately december

sa Chiron opposite n Mars 0°53 a - exact in around 10-11 months, so may 2019?

- and oh the joy, right, to have it as a DW. lol Better get down to tackle this one, but it had to eventually get activated I suppose. I do have a natal Thor`s Hammer of Chiron square Eros on Vertex and both sesisquare Mars, so there you go. lol

sa Juno opposite n Uranus 0°08 a - possibly exact next months, so somewhen in july (Juno as well as Moon have just changed signs to Taurus and Aries respectively a bit more than a year ago. of course they did. LOL)

sa Vertex square n Mars 0°34 s - exact around 7 months ago, so last december

sa Eros square n Mars 0°04 s - well exact pretty much now or at least last month (so my whole Thor`s Hammer has moved to activate itself, by aiming at my poor Mars, which is the Apex planet anyway. lol)

sa Psyche opposite n Pluto 0°47 a - around 9 months from now so next March, while it is still wide in orb, I can already feel the hypersensitivity coming with that, if that is what indicates it. of course sa Psyche is at 8 Aries right now which is a sensitive Point for me anyway.

BTW 3 years ago my Black Moon was at that Point opposing n Pluto (in 2015 I think) and Boy did I feel that one! LOL

sa DESC conjunct n Vertex 0°12 a - exact in 2,5 months approximately, so july/August - naturally. ROFL

sa DESC conjunct n Sun/Moon-mp 0°15 a - August

Sa DESC conjunct n Eros 0°17 s - around 3 months ago, so february/march

Cheers! LOL

Well I guess there could be quite something being said to that, in Terms of Events -

But as I said while I agree with the eventoriented-check up - and btw the orb is even closer, usually Events happen in a span of 6 months before and after the exactness, which means 0°30 applying and separating -

I don`t see why we could not use them for synastry purposes either. I mean if I am undergoing an important influence by my solar arc, then someone Close to me will be affected by that, too, just by the way I am responding to it.

Just like now with my natal Chiron so under scrutiny and in the Spotlight - and BTW my Chiron is natally in the 4th house, Vertex-Eros in 8th house, Mars in 12th house - those are super raw Placements, and not really all that demonstrative. 4th house chiron for what it ever means, definitely makes one Feeling very vulnerable and exposed when being pulled out into the open too much or too surprisingly, though of course it is exactly what that Chiron Needs. But first Response would be withdrawal, defensiveness and possibly a slightly paranoid behaviour, out of Self protection, lest anyone else might see the weak spots in the armour.

and with Chiron in aries and mars being part of it, well did I mention defensiveness? LOL

Also warring too much inside the own headspace (Mars in 12th house). I wonder what Eros is doing there, okay, I know what Eros is doing there and why he is being there. lol

Curiously this reminds me of the song P used to sing on his concerts so often, this stanza:

" You have suffered enough
And warred with yourself
It's time that you won"

That "warring with yourself", well I identify with it!

Anyway I am so unfocused today it seems, but what I mean is that yes synastric solar arcs DO work (if the orb does not exceed 1 degree), and I would ALSO check trines for example, as if you have a synchronized solar arc, and one Person might have the solar arc coming into conjunction to a challenging planet like Saturn or so, and the other Person has an exact trine to this, it might help as subtle supportive influence in the Background.

Synchronized Solar arcs are those aspects between solar arc planets in a synastry that are exact to 1 degree as I said.

Like Person A has currently solar arc Sun at 5 Taurus, and the other one has solar arc Venus at 5 Taurus, or Scorpio or something like that, These will never Change over the course of life, but where it becomes important is that they will always be activated SIMULTANEOUSLY and this becomes really evident if one of them becomes conjunct, opposite or even square a natal planet, though I think Transits can activate those, too. esp. if there are solar arc planets and natal ones involved.

For example:

my parents have an synchronized Sun (her)-Moon (him) Opposition with just 0°10.

At the time of their marriage this fell from 26 Scorpio - 26 Taurus. This was also within less than half a degree of her natal Vertex-axis.

They also had his SA Venus conjunct her natal MC-NN , her SA DESC falling onto his natal Sun, her SA Venus conjunct his n Mars and so on.

her SA MC-NN just having entered 00 Aries some months Prior to that.

so I definitely think there is something to the solar arc synastry, as well, even if not including synchronized solar arcs, but if both People have a solar arc planet tied to the same natal planet (temporarily) in one Chart (or both), then this seems to me quite a Major Happening and worth closer Investigation.

 

[lumina]

Ava ,

"they treat it like it's no big deal, so it's no big deal to me, either. "

It definitely IS a big deal, and of equal importance to progressions.

BTW astro.com has added the Option to pull up the Solar arc as single Chart and also together with the natal (without progressions - which I find simply too confusing). I wouldn´t mix Progression with solar arc either, though of course the same natal planet can be triggered simultaneously by a progressed and a SA planet. in this way they are of course interconnected. But something like pr Venus conjunct SA Mars, erm, no.

2Anyway, I think your line of reasoning above also applies when we compare one person's composite with a time or event (EVC) with another's. "I'm in this headspace...you're in that headspace." 2

'YES absolutely! I find that pretty illuminating, too.

For example P`s and my EVC`s for the last concert (whitsun) had:

°his EVC ASC 29 Cap

my EVC Neptune 28 Cap (and EVC Uranus 00 Aqua)

his EVC Moon 27 Libra

° his EVC Venus 14 Aries

his EVC Jupiter 13 Libra

my EVC Jupiter 13 Cap

my EVC Saturn 12 Libra (so it was me?)

° (his EVC Saturn 17 Scorpio)

his EVC Mars 21 Scorpio

my EVC Moon 21 Scorpio (conjunct by 4 minutes of orb! I guess sometimes it`s just too much. lol)

° his EVC Pluto 6 Sag

my EVC ASC 5 Sag

Mmh, that is strange! so in Terms of the EVC overlay I was putting Neptune onto his ASC, and he was putting Pluto onto mine

But as I said I am disgressing.

"Well, the day I met my husband, my pr moon was conjunct my natal sun. "

That is such an ideal textbook case as they are rarely really Happening. Wow! I love that!

When we met P`s pr Moon had been separating from his natal Sun and applying to his pr Sun, there was no actual exact New Moon that time, but it was just past the midpoint of pr and natal Sun and I think it was even closer to the midpoint of natal Moon and pr Sun, not that I usually calculate mixed midpoints. lol

Anyway that week he was also having pr and sa Sun conjunct natal Venus with 0°00. I know I have mentioned that before, but it never ceases to amaze me, that there were just 5 days this was in Play with that exactness, and we met on the 3rd day of this timespan. LOL

"My solar arc moon @ 12 Aries, trine NN @ 12 Sag exactly conjunct natal Neptune."

that`s a big one! For sure.

" My SA Jupiter @ 8 Taurus opp husband's SA Jupiter @ 7 Scorpio (less than 1°). "

that is also big, it means you have a strongly synchronized Jupiter arc, so whenever one of your solar arcs will fall onto a natal planet of either of your Charts, the other Person will be "pulled into this" as well.

you cannot experience Jupiter without his Jupiter being activated as well. Of course with it being an Opposition, there might be some challenging moments in Terms of life philosophies, so of course you could be very complementary as well or both. Well P and me have the Opposition natally (though not by solar arc synchronized, for us only aspects get synchronized that have a 5 degree orb with my planet being on the lower degree - the reason for this is the Age difference.   ), but so far I noticed that we do seem to share a lot of life philosophy things, however I also noticed that when something, even a minor Thing, Comes up that is not a "perfect fit", I have an emotionally visceral and rather argumentative Response, like I have such high expectations of being in sync with him that it sometimes is difficult to navigate the Little things that are not.

 His SA moon conjunct natal NN. "

And that was very huge for him. bringing an emotional Connection and/ or woman or wife into his life to not just form a Connection with him but a Connection that would be very important for his life.

Do you have planets aspecting his natal NN?

"And in our composite we have Neptune on the NN. "

and you had sa Moon on Neptune, and he had sa Moon on NN - that is just such a complete puzzle!

[lumina]

here would be an example article (for solar arc synastry, not synchronized arcs, I suppose that is something I am the only Person to consider. lol)

"A Dynamic Synastry Study


I have recently been studying dynamic synastry contacts between long-term partners. I’ve looked at a small collection of couples, around the time of their initial romantic involvement. The charting constraints are fairly tight: 1-degree orbs and limited sets of aspects and planets. I’ve used just one type of planetary contact: major aspects between each partner’s solar arc positions and the other’s natal positions.

I selected solar arcs because this method is easiest to demonstrate when it comes to calculating statistical measures, such as the expected frequency of a specific type of aspect. I am not suggesting that this is the best method for doing a synastry analysis, and in fact I plan to present other methods as well, to illustrate the use of objective measures to compare different astrological methods.

So having studied several cases, looking at aspects from each partner’s solar arc planets to the other’s natal planets, I find that the Sun, Venus, and Jupiter are very often present in these aspect contacts around the time of their initial romantic involvement – so often that I have come to expect these contacts in this kind of synastry scenario. But this kind of initial analysis can’t help but overlook important distinctions between the circumstances of individual cases. Consider, for instance, a couple such as Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward, where the first romantic impulse is delayed or denied, due to the fact that one of them is already married. A Venus-Saturn contact would be a natural indication of this situation.

In fact this Venus-Saturn contact was present in this case; this was just one of their solar arc synastry contacts around the time they met. I’m only looking at solar arc aspects to the partner’s natal positions, and in fact a few are within half a degree. Paul’s SA (Solar Arc) Saturn was squaring Joanne’s natal Venus at the time; also his SA Jupiter was trining her natal Jupiter. Meanwhile her SA Venus sextiled his natal Sun. He was married at the time they met, when both were performing in the same stage production.

The next step is to look for any similar contacts between their natal charts. Here we find that his Saturn is trining her Venus within a degree, and so the square from his SA Saturn to her natal Venus starts to look more fruitful. In this case it appears that the contacts between Sun, Venus, and Jupiter aren’t enough to describe their situation. So we can include this distinction by adding this one Saturn contact to our model. But then we might find that leaving Mars out of our model will miss those couples who are first bound by their violent passions. One such couple, who ended up as long-term friends, were Henry Miller and Anais Nin.

To take these distinctions into account, the next logical step would be to group all of the couples into well-defined categories, based on the circumstances of their meeting and becoming a couple. However, to continue refining this kind of distinction will eventually lead to a logical endpoint at which each couple defines their own category, according to their circumstances.

At the same time, each refinement introduces more synastry contacts, so that ultimately, the model leaves nothing out. It becomes essentially the same model that an astrologer uses for a synastry analysis; given any pair of charts, it includes all the particulars of the synastry contacts between charts.

Where does this leave us? For one thing, I have yet to introduce any statistical measures at all. I’ve been describing some kind of model without saying anything about what kind of model it is – other than that a planet can be added to it or omitted from it. I’m just showing how the concept of a model need not be confined to a statistical meaning. In fact, the content of this model — namely, the chart configurations — is no different from that of a statistical model. From this perspective, an informal astrological study, such as this one of synastry contacts over time, may not be so very different from a statistical study of the same subject matter – if one can accept that a statistical study may in fact be different from what is usually meant by the term. That will have to wait for another post."

matrixpierce.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/a-dynamic-synastry-study/

[lumina]

An example for synchronized arcs between my brother and his wife

his ASC conjunct her Sun 1°10

his DESC conjunct her Moon 1°08

- it is a bit over one degree, but I would Count it, especially since his solar arc horizon falls right in between her 2 degree full moon - Wow that is such a strong Picture!

his ASC also trines her Mars 0°34

Well I do not have much time at the current time, but I was checking the date of their Little one`s birth:

his sa ASC 27°36 Aries

his n MC 27°51 Sag

her sa Sun 28°46 Aries

her sa Moon 26°28 Libra

her sa Mars 28°11 Sag

her n ASC 27°08 Aries

[Ava]

Jun 5, 2018 13:24:36 GMT lumina said:

BTW astro.com has added the Option to pull up the Solar arc as single Chart

HOORAY!! Thank you, I really didn't know it was there! But I guess solar arc synastry would be too much to ask for.

And thanks for the replies, be back soon.

[lumina]

Ava,

"EVC Saturn conjunct your EVC moon, some kind of wall?
"
It was past though. What was actually "on" that moment was his EVC Mars conjunct my EVC Moon.
My EVC Moon had been conjunct his EVC Saturn some hours prior, in the morning hours, shortly after breakfast. 

Well could it be that he DID stumble across me sharing the link Lancelot had posted? (I did so the afternoon before)? 
Also on the time that Lancelot`s and my picture were being taken (and of course the lovely hour before we spent in the same room and parts of it talking to each other), 

P`s EVC Venus 13°07 Aries
P`s EVC Moon 13°07 Libra
P`s EVC Jupiter 13°35 Libra

my EVC Saturn 12°40 Libra
(my EVC Jupiter 14°06 Cap)

I mean P cannot even KNOW that or can he? 

(oh and for the record 

in our composite:
my name: 13°04 Aries
Eris: 13°16 Aries

natally my Eris is on 12°40 Aries! (his at 13°52 Aries I think). 


Well some snippets about the lovely goddess of discord, jealousy and the need for karmic rectification: 

"So first impressions then are melancholia and sorrow mixed with bloody, raging anger."

"The side of her that is like Lilith is the fact that she was the uninvited guest, the disowned and exiled, the 13th fairy that cursed sleeping beauty."

"Eris is the perfect whistle blower, but there is a touch of the joker in Batman to her. When she eventually dishes out her revenge she does it with such style!"

"If this woman is raped either physically or mentally, we can expect high octane revenge. Eris does not turn the other cheek."

"We can see she is critical and judgemental from her Sun square Jupiter. Eris’s words can have a devastating effect because of her Mercury on Lesath. This Goddess can issue an potent curse from her blood red lips. Lesath was one of the stars I classed as psychotic in my post about psychopaths. To make things even darker, Mercury conjunct Pluto is a deeply probing and obsessive mind, very much the spy, but also the stalker."

I repeat he CANNOT have known that, right?


"Eris is gifted at relentlessly digging until she unearths the demons, and when she does she won’t rest until they are well and truly exorcised."


Well but apart from these lovely interpretational lines, it seems she is there to shake up the status quo, mainly, she is not inherently bad, but can turn rather vengeful when feeling uninvited, rejected, left out etc, though her vengance usually leads or has the intention of "setting the record straight".

Interesting little Dwarf planet. 

Well P`s EVC Eris was or is on 18 Aries conjunct his EVC Chiron on 20 Aries, not totally exact as you can see. 


another astrologer wrote that about ERis: 

"In our personal charts, Eris can challenge us to embrace the new so that we are “morphed” in the process. I see Eris as a benefic, albeit, a challenging benefic. "



BTW our pr composite has my name on 20 Aries - no comment on that LOL 


oh and I never looked that up before but pr composite NEMESIS on 21 Scorpio. lol It of course is closish to our Valentine-Lust-conjunction on 22-23 Scorpio in the basic composite and actually a basis of the cradle to Moon, Ceres and Juno, albeit ALSO squaring Saturn on 21 Leo. 

I do not see Nemesis in a doomsaying way, but she IS "giving to humans what`s their due", which means if the humans failed, messed up, even so much as tripped lightly, Nemesis will set that record straight for sure, and usually humans do not like that all that much. 

BTW on that day Tr Nemesis was on 00 Taurus on Tr Uranus, and both conjunct our composite Chiron-Atropos-conjunction and squaring our pr Moon. OUCH. 
And remember our pr Moon was falling across the horizon of when I was meeting with Lancelot, and P`s EVC DESC was conjunct that 2 days later on the concert (though curiously around the time, he sort of "zoomed back in". lol) 



I will be back for answering the other bits, but that is something that needs some processing. Can it be he DID know? And felt a little jealous or even maybe just a bit insecure/ uncertain?


Though I really do think that his silence, which is not just towards me, but towards anyone online, even close friends of his, is due to him having to really focus on working, though maybe he was also pushing that connection with me from his mind, as he does not have the luxury to even try to figure this one out at the current time, and with that EVC Moon-Mars in play, in Scorpio, nevertheless, it might simply have been too much. and maybe it would have really messed up his focus, and he needed to focus, it was a big concert and actually he was introduced as "the lost son returning home". 

I wonder however if he might remember that the last time we saw each other there, was sort of the beginning of this cycle. lol  And of course the last time he was there on stage in a musical also marked my decision to sort of resurface in his life, after having been absent for many months, which apparently he did not understand the reason for. 

Of course all of that was in a very turbulent life phase for him. (break up, meeting his now wife eventually, and me also sort of slipping in and out of his life). 


But anyway, probably I misjudged some of his behaviour anyway, and I was not really a role model in connection/ interacting either, when I was triyng to melt with my ice cream in the cafe, we were sitting in, when him (and some aquaintances) were passing by, just not knowing how to act, and well I do hope he did not notice me doing that, but I cannot know for certain of course. 


As of now I do think he is simply being extremely busy and there is not (much) more behind it. 


oh jewel writes this on Nemesis on her fb-page
"In synastry, this asteroid can show where we touch another with our inability to see where we are pompous or high minded. Where we bring our negativity that we don't see as such. Nemesis is not the asteroid of enemies or abuse. It mainly shows where one is jerky and how and where they get what they deserve when interacting with another. In synastry, contacts with this asteroid can show where we deliver a much needed bitch slap to our partner."

Funny enough on that day we are talking about P`s and my transiting names were exactly trine. lol 

Mine on 24 Libra, his on 24 Gemini (the midpoint on his tropical and my Draco DESC). 

Yeah well, whatever... lol 

[lumina]

BTW funny to mention with the quotes, but at some point during the concert he was wearing his "Joker" T-shirt. lol

Oh and btw his natal Nemesis is on 21 Scorpio, too! OH classic one, so he is the one to give a voice and form to that pr composite Nemesis. Lovely! 

(my natal Nemesis is on 28 Libra, on our composite Union and opposing that Chiron, while his Nemesis natally conjuncts our composite Valentine-Lust


and this is crazy in the composite

his name 12 Scorpio
Uranus 12 Scorpio, ruler of ASC
Nemesis 9 Scorpio (almost 10)

my name 13 Aries
Eris 13 Aries
Pluto 15 Libra, ruler of MC


I guess we can both be pretty bitchy with each other, if being caught on the wrong foot. 

Or become instruments to "set fate straight", I mean both Nemesis and Eris have that in common, by REALLY Rocking the boat, sort of balance out any kind of imbalance. But boy, if you are in the middle of it, it sure is exhausting. lol

[lumina]

Hi,

"Mars by itself conjunct the moon wouldn't give the same effect as Mars-Saturn conjunct moon, I don't think. Even if the orbs aren't all tight, I do think Saturn there is going to be felt.
"
Yes, I agree about Mars-SAturn conjunct MOon being different than Mars-MOon. However Mars-Moon would have been prominent astrologically speaking, esp. since the conjunciton to Saturn was "fading away". 
Possibly my Saturn opposing his Venus was more indicative of that. Who knows? Maybe I had given a stern or defensive facial expression? I sometimes can unintentionally give a very Saturnian vibe like that, and people who are sensitive to that, might not really dare interacting with me. 
I mean it is sort of obvious that pretty much around the time I decided to look at him more, I don`t know, openly? he did react to it. Well he seemed a bit nervous/ uncertain still, or maybe it was just that at the end of it he could relax a little after having survived the concert in one piece. lol 
or for another reason, I don´t know. 


"If you posted it where he could see it, sure.
"
Yes, at least if he checked my facebook page, I was posting it publicly. I did not see a reason why not. 




" Is there a male equivalent,"
Toro.

The asteroid of brutal assault and unrestraint anger/ rage. 


Eris is not that spiteful and harmful though, that is too much of a black and white approach to that asteroid, but I know that some sites will cite it like that, just as they do the black and white thing with Nessus or Nemesis. 

I still tend to ignore her anyway though, too, probably cause she is moving so little. of course other planets will aspect her, so she could be almost seen as some sort of fixed star. 
But well she is not doing anything too prominently in my natal chart, so I just do not pay that much attention to her. I know she is there, but that`s it basically. 

[lumina]

Ava

yes, the naming of the asteroids/ planets is certainly a baffling mystery, and maybe we shouldn`t put too much stock into names, unless we believe there is some meaning coming through by the naming.

eris, actually started to be called XENA (the warrior princess, I think), then some thought of her as alling her Persephone (but there was already an Asteroid of that Name), until they settled for Eris, and doing so, cause her discovery actually was shaking up the astrology world and order, as it opened up the view onto all These dwarf planets and transneptunian objects and realizing that there was far more in our solar System than just the planets and the Asteroid belt bewteen Mars and Jupiter. Her discovery then as a result also led to redefining planets, which led to Pluto being demoted and Ceres being promoted to a dwarf planet. as Pluto did not meet the Definition of planets anymore, and Ceres was far more than an Asteroid, a dwarf planet.

Nemesis ....
well have you read Michael Newton`s book about life between lives? He states that our souls are the one deciding about our Karma. It really Comes down to a subjective view on that, if you feel guilty for something or not (well dealing with the stage between lives, apparently most souls have a different view than when embodied. I found the book particularly interesting, as Paul Westran reccomended to me I read it after I have told him about a dream I had, which apparently was taking place in that stage, and I was pretty jolted recognizing "my" dreamsetting in his descriptions again, even down to some Details. According to that dream, this is also the reason Jude Law and me are not Close in this life. lol it probably was just a dream, but still the Setting...).

Also I do not think of Karma as punishment but really as learning something, as bringing Balance. Karma does not even mean punishment as a word (it means "to act/Action"), I wonder where the punishment thought came from? the church?

[lumina]

having said that, I don`t really follow either Eris nor Nemesis in astrology. As you said we have Saturn. lol

[lumina]

Ava

"So weird, isn't it? If my birth time is correct, the conjunction is partile @ 15 Cap, moon applying with about 0.10° orb."

seems to be an indication that your birthtime IS correct.

"I'm curious how far apart the moon was? "

pr Moon on 12 Capricorn

n Moon on 28 Sag

" I mean so far we've only had one progressed moon return. I became an Elvis fan during mine. So like I said -- huge. (Being serious though...) "

you are right! curious I never checked the Chart for them!

BTW mine happened a few days after an aquaintance of mine died in a motorcycle Crash (my Moon as ruler of 8th house?).

However it also happened on the day of p1`s birthday (you know the first musicman ever in my life. lol), and 2 days before Lancelot`s birthday, and I think I had at least 2 crushes in School, being Born around that time (the other of my crushes were Born in december, the most intense, exhausting, one was the one Born on 19th december. lol We were always fighting. But he was the only one I was listening to really, and would never have admitted to, and he was acting pretty decent in my presence and oddly protective/ posessive, while he was not like that in General. But we were always Walking a very fine line. LOL Noone as challenging as him for me, yet curiously at least during schooltimes, for all the differences between us, there was a very deep understanding and respect for each other. Unfortunately that did not last over it, he was acting REALLY weird the last time I saw him on a school-reunion. I suppose however that as weird as he was acting around me, he might have felt actually embarassed, because of something? No clue I was not sticking around Long enough to figure out his weirdness, but was spending time with People who liked to talk to me. lol)

Anyway curiously enough around a month before my progressed Moon I actually had first met P1, and been talking to him, which was a very memorable time in my life, following my first trip to paris and some other stuff. Curiously enough my Moon is in partile conjunction with his SN.

P`s (current P. lol)progressed lunar return took place exactly one year after we first spotted each other, and one year before we would have our first Meeting/ Chat.

BTW my Name (18 Pisces) is conjunct Vertex in his progressed lunar return, in my progressed lunar return his Name falls exact onto our Composite ASC on 1 Aqua.

[lumina]

Ava

"Never realized that before! Right, his SA Jupiter exactly opposed mine when I was born, so they've been solar-arcing in opposition ever since. "

Yes, a synchronized solar arc, whenever one end is activated, so the other is, creating some sort of energy-Vortex between you, or an instant Response.

"Funny that we met when this opposition ran into our Uranus-Uranus synastry square."

It`s amazing, isn`t it? It also speaks of the suddenness and the high Speed of your relationshp taking off. However Jupiter and Uranus are usually not necessarily partership oriented, so I think there might be another solar arc having come into view as well, or a Progression (they are of course still to be checked!) and of course Uranus rules one end of your horizon, so that alone would make it already tied to relationships.

Did you have a Transit (prefereably Tr Mars-Pluto) activating the solar arc Jupiter-n Uranus-configuration?

I have read in a book that while solar arc aspects are in Play a year (or half a year) applying and separating (spanning either 2 years or 1 year, depending on which astrologer you are reading. lol though I think most prefer the half a year before and after exactness-timeorb), the Events related to this will manifest when a Transit is Setting those off.

"Great! So I guess mixing SA and natal is fine for synastry? "

Yes, that is actually the main Thing.

"Almost unbelievable. And that's permanent, right? It's all tracking together? I can't remember if everything in the SA chart, including angles, moves one degree per year, or what. "

Yes, solar arc planets are all moved with the Motion of the Sun, that is why we call them solar arcs. The thought behind it being the Sun is illuminating things, energizing them, so the arc of the Sun does, too.

I was looking up P`s and his wife`s synchronized arcs; there is something interesting, each of them has a partile natal square (for him it is Sun square Saturn, for her Juno square Neptune) and both are interlinked through solar arc, in a way they are "locked together"; whenever his Sun or Saturn is activated, so is her Juno and Neptune.

his sa Sun is conjunct her sa Neptune very tightly (3 minutes of arc) currently on 6 Aquarius

his sa Vertex conjuncts her sa Juno 0°57: currently: 7-6 Scorpio

his sa Saturn conjunct Juno 0°44: 5-6 Scorpio

and of course also coming with the squares of:

his Sun square her Juno 0°29: 6 Aqua - 6 Scorpio

his Saturn square her Neptune 0°12: 5 Scorpio - 6 Aqua

(his Moon square her Juno 1°12 7 Aqua - 6 Scorpio)

that is certainly their main synchronized arc, I mean it is even two natal aspects being synchronized with each other.

others are:

his sa Mars square her sa Uranus 0°11: 20 Libra - 20 Cap

his sa Jupiter square her sa Uranus 1°07 19 Libra - 20 Cap

his sa Mars quinkunx her sa Mercury 0°34: 20 Libra - 19 Taurus

his sa Mars quinkunx her sa Venus 0°25: 20 Libra - 19 Taurus

his sa Jupiter quinkunx her sa Mercury 0°22: 19 Libra - 19 Taurus

his sa Jupiter quinkunx her sa Venus 0°31: 19 Libra - 19 Taurus

(his sa Mercury trine her sa Mercury 1°10: 18 Cap - 19 Taurus)

(his sa Mercury trine her sa Venus 1°19: 18 Cap - 19 Taurus)

It`s pretty funny but her and my Venus are being locked in a solar arc square as my solar arc Venus is currently 20 Aquarius, squaring her sa Venus on 19 Taurus by 31 minutes of orb.

Additionally my sa Sun on 10 Aquarius is widely squarer her sa Sun on 11 Taurus by 1°06.

Seems we are the Walking Aqua-Taurus-contradicition (for the current timeframe, but this means a few years).

anyway the one above, though I do not regularly check for quinkunxes in solar arc, but this here was just too glaring to not take notice of, is the other main configuration for them.

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additionally they have:

his sa Juno square her sa Pluto 0°19: 6 Virgo - 6 Sag

(his sa Venus square her sa Pluto 1°25): 5 Pisces - 6 Sag)

the Venus-Pluto square is really a bit wide for a solar arc, but it is just intriguing to see her Pluto right in the middle of his Venus-Juno-Opposition. I think however this might not be so much like a really synchronized arc (Venus-Pluto), but a cascading one; like a domino-effect. First her Pluto gets activated by something (like my Mars-ASC. ROFL) and then after a time his Venus gets activated, too, maybe even almost like a Response to however she reacted to the activation of her Pluto.

Well if her Pluto fades out of orb (with the large 1 degree orb of a 2 year range, which probably is too generous anyway), it will still take 5 months until his Venus will get activated by something. UNLESS we are talking about Transits, especially Tr Mars might really connect those together, because he is quick enough in Motion, so there will be just a few days or weeks in between (and Mars is the big activator anyway).

his DESC is also "almost" part of their first main configuration, but as of now it is around 4 Scorpio, the other main planets were on roughly 6 Aqua-Scorpio, so 2 years after the big one was triggered, would be his DESC as last part, that is being more like an after-word or something.

Well her natal Pluto is on 4 Scorpio - so it can easily be seen that in the past all of those planets were arcing into a conjunction or square to her natal Pluto, and his solar arc DESC on her natal Pluto has actually been EXACT at the end of march. At the last concert when P and me were chatting (and eventually she was sort of inviting me over to her table ?) the conjunction of his sa DESC to her natal Pluto was just applying by 0°01. one Minute of orb. It was pretty much exact to the day. lol Whatever we might think of that or interprete it.

it was not strongly accentuated in Transits, however Tr Mars was on 3°35 Capricorn, being trine his sa ASC (I still don´t think trines are very strong in Transits), it was interestingly even more strongly related to his sa Uranus and her sa Ceres (on her natal Neptune and aplying to square her n Juno, though I would Need to check the orbs, I think it might still be 1-2 years from exactness).

And they also have a very exact, but isolated synchronized arc of

his sa Uranus opposite her sa Ceres (!) 0°12: 2 Cancer - 3 Cap

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"That is incredible, especially since your moon's in Aquarius, and it was right there on the MC in that chart (so, something happening outwardly to affect your emotions).
"
Yes, bringing my emotions to the fore and to publicity somehow. Interesting how P has Moon on the IC in that chart. 



"I love it. Well it might explain your sense of rightness and belonging with him, as you had this "double moon" influence right on his SN...he carried the energy you were so purely in tune with then. Or however one might phrase it.
"
Yes, that is exactly true. I guess it also added to this that his Sun was on 16 Aries sextile my Moon (and conjunct my Draco Sun). Actually a lot going on on those 16-17 degrees with us, his Moon is on 19 Taurus even, so sort of fitting in there as well, albeit not just as exactly. But I`ve always had a soft spot for those Aries being born around 7-10th april I guess. 
though I thought I`d left that "phase" behind in my teenager years and 20`s, yet here I stumble across Lancelot having been born on 9th april. 


"Venus on the SN at critical degrees, seems to augur a misfortunate though fated SN-Venus type event, like getting tied into a relationship because of a surprise pregnancy for example"
I know you are hinting at his wife, but in fact that Venus on the SN is most closely related to me. I mean to a point that it is scary. 

Well he`s been having some strong solar arcs in the last decade, and especially some around 2014-2016 (no wonder he had children and got married during this time). 

In 2014 he had two dominating solar arcs that I can remember. 
SA Neptune conjunct Venus
SA Venus conjunct SN

The crazy thing is that they actually got exact at the same time! which is something that happens rarely, and well I mean his SN is in Pisces, so SA Venus was in Pisces, too, and in fact having just entered the sign before (big bell!), so even the Venus-SN was having Neptunian flavour. 

Anyway BOTH arcs got exact in october 2014; not only was there an eclipse that month (though I forgot wherei t fell), but at the night of the eclipse I was seeing him on a concert (I seem to see him quite often on concerts when there is a solar eclipse oddly enough, and usually in water signs. lol)

It was actually the peak of a slew of some strange encounters over the months before, including the one when he mentioned I was driving him crazy as well as the concert when he was coming off stage during the show to ask me for my name, and then refused to leave again. for an eternity it seemed. lol 
And after he had poured out a bucket of icewater over his head (not because of me,   but it was the challenge), he was hurrying back towards the table I was sat at (some others were there too), and was shaking the water out of his hair and clothes, and of course I was getting some drops by him doing that. I remember that there was this weird mixture of heat (he could probably heat up a room on his own alone with his body warmth) and ice. lol

Anyway those arcs were exact for him on the october concert, which I actually remember most for the hostile reaction of his wife towards me, which honestly speaking was what made me pay REAL attention. I mean if she reacts that defensive towards me and downright rude without being provoked, then, hu? Gotta have a closer look at this now, right? 

Well during that time from june to october, there was additionally his sa Uranus conjunct his natal Moon and his MC (but this could of course also be related to the birth of his son, very very likely.)

Interestingly at that august-concert (the one with the heat-ice-combo) his sa Moon was applying to square his wife`s Pluto by just about 3-4 minutes, so it was totally exact in the weeks following, and it was the first to square her Pluto, the others of this would follow over the next years. 


Also the sa Venus conjunct SN at that time was interesting because my chart is synchronized with his sa Venus, as his sa Venus is within a degree of conjunct my sa Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp and opposing my sa Eros, and square my sa Chiron (though a bit more widely, still in orb though). 
So all of this was being brought into it as well. 


Apart from that for the last year my pr Venus had been on his pr SN on 29 Aquarius, and well my pr Venus entered Pisces on our last birthday, and now it is is conjunct his natal SN.  my pr Venus is still on 00 Pisces, so still in that new-phase, I am just getting to know my ways around that new Venus. lol (funny enough when we first met HIS Venus had just progressed into Pisces). 
Anyway my pr Venus will be EXACT on his natal SN in january 2019 (25th), the VERY day our progressed composite will have its exact fullmoon! I know those things work with a bit of orb, but for some reason there does not seem to be much of an orb involved when things coincide for us, I don`t know why, but it is always just a few minutes. 

His SN is a fascinating oddity anyway, as he has PRIAPUS and Eros/Psyche-mp sitting on it; he seems to be a little more tilted to the south node side, but then again Mars and Jupiter are in the sign of his NN (though not conjunct), maybe he feels triggered by both. 


"Well this synchronized SA Jupiter/Jupiter opposition really sucks, though, I think. "
Sorry to hear that. Somehow I never experience Jupiter-squares and oppositions as problematic (though quinkunxes are awkward). Well I have to watch the excess of basically anything, but that is it really, a tendendy to exaggerate, blow things out of proportion. But nothing too serious, and even in challenging aspects they are so much fun (for me).
maybe because I am such a Jupiter-person? And my Jupiter is inflated by the mutual reception and square to angular Neptune, and it just basks in that energy? 


Well Uranus of course can odify things a bit, I mean as much as I love the excitement, it IS the bend-or-break-aspect. too much electricity, and that includes the flare up of temper as well. 



"And currently it's at 29° Taurus (me) / Scorpio (him). *AND* this is squaring my SA sun, I forgot to point out! So that is yet ANOTHER major development for next year...my SA sun moves into Pisces, SA Jupiter moves into Gemini, but this is before my husband's Jupiter leaves Scorpio.
"
This is really really big. 

You are in a wrapping - up - year, in terms of what Jupiter rules in your charts, and you will enter a total new phase next year, but that means that this year is a bit like the "dark side of the moon - or jupiter for that matter-", like a 12th house transit, becoming a sunrise into the 1st house, and starting something very very new. 

As I meantioned my SA Moon has changed signs not too long ago, well not just any sign, it passed the threshold of 00 Aries!!!

It did so in the beginning of february 2017 - well following the first workshop in december before (when it was still in Pisces), and preceding the second workshop (and eclipse-concert   ) at the end of february 2017 - and well I did not know back then that my SA Moon had entered Aries, but I started this workshop by doing something I have never done before. 
1. Baking
2. Bananabread
3. and bringing it as a gift. LOL 

I have never been one to back much, did not know about bananabread and I certainly had never before given him anything at all. 


Solar Arc Juno was changing signs a month later, actually a few days after I received that package from him with those little gifts he put into it, and solar arc Juno was entering 00 Taurus precisely on the day of the concert I was asking him about that gesture and probably one of the very very rare occasions I have ever seen him at a loss for words. lol 


So yes, definitely sign changes are HUGE. 


well Jupiter will always be squaring your Sun of course, but it means that they will change signs pretty closish in time to each other. actually your solar arc Moon entered Taurus last year, so something might have changed (even if not outwardly, but in your perception/ feeling/ pattern of behaviour). 

BTW my sa Sun entered 00 Aquarius the week after I first met and talked to P! (on that night it was still on 29°9 Capricorn, and I think 2 or 3 days later it changed into Aquarius)

For you next year probably will be really really huge in this respect, as you have Sun, Mars and Jupiter all change signs. You might change your diet or way of acting or even your perception of men and how to interact with them! 

I am not entirely sure, this alone is enough, well Frank Clifford seems to think it is enough, however for me whenever something changes signs it directly runs into aspect to my Priapus on 00 Leo and my Uranus on 1 Scorpio. 
So when sa Juno was changing into Taurus, it ALSO Started to apply to oppose my natal Uranus and will soon enter my 5th house. 


The opposition of sa Juno to Uranus will peak about a week after the fanmeeting in july (and in fact will be just 2 minutes applying on that day). 

sa Juno will enter my 5th house in october (around the concert with the musical tenors, wher eI will bring my family along. lol)

of course where sa Juno is, there will be sa Saturn as well, as they are trine with just one minute of orb. 


"Actually next year, on this date (7 June), my husband's solar arc chart is NUTS, the way it interacts with my own chart and the transits. His SA NN exactly on my sun (about 0.05° orb) in partile square to Chiron, with transiting Mars @ 14 Cancer, heading into that.
"
That sounds definitely very eventful. What Chiron btw? I mean not your solar arc Chiron, I think, your natal Chiron somewhere around there? Or his Chiron? 

Well I can tell you some things about Sun square Chiron, or actually P could.  
While his wife`s sa Sun was conjunct his Chiron last year or so, my sa Sun was squaring it, it is separating by now by 0°37, so just out of the "event-orb". 
however my sa Mercury is still applying to square his n Chiron (0°16) - might be exact in 3 months or so. 
Well his Chiron is relatively unafflicted, it has got that trine to Mars-Jupiter-Amor and sextile to Eros; interestingly that is something I noticed first about him, which fascinated me, the non-threatening natural physicality he was radiating. Well of course he is selfconscious, but at the same time I think I´ve never met anyone radiating such an ease about his physicality/ body. though he actually seems to be both, very critical of it (in an analytical way) and yet feeling comfortable with it at the same time. Well Chiron in Taurus trine Virgo Mars-Jupiter. What can I say? 
Of course my perception of it might be coloured by my Venus being synchronized with his Mars in a 6 minutes exact trine in solar arcs. lol 

But anyway sa Mercury in Aquarius squaring his Chiron and obviously applying to quinkunx his Jupiter-Mars (funny enough this is what hsi wife does natally just with Jupiter instead of Mercury). 
But anyway, I guess currently my way of talking, speaking, communicating somehow dredges up some spots of vulnerability in him, even threatens his security (Chiron in taurus probably never feels REALLY secure), probably hitting him sideways (the square) and evoking a fear of rejection/ not being accpeted (square to Chiron) once I see/ understand (sa Mercury) those sides that he perceives as shortcomings (Chiron in Taurus). 

The funny thing is that we might perceive our own Chiron as flaws or sore and raw spots, but the others rarely do. Almost like the others can see the strength and wisdom of Chiron, while we cannot. 
Speaking of his Taurus-Chiron - possibly he needs rather a hug than some witty words. lol 


"I guess more to the point, tr Uranus opp his natal Uranus, squaring mine.
"
Well Tr Uranus would be within that what I mentioned. with Mars-Pluto I meant, the outer planets starting with Mars and going right down the order to Pluto, of course that would include Jupiter, Saturn, URanus and Neptune as well. 
And THAT is crazy making stuff! So much Uranus.


" Well it's at 10 Cancer"
At P`s natal Atropos and THEIR composite Mars-NN-conjunction. lol


but the thing I should have realized immediately is, the moon is transiting conjunct my Pallas as I type"
Yes, makes absolute sense.
Pallas is so strong with the tingling. 

."..I can never not believe in them from now on, they are too real.
"
Yes, they are, I am pretty fascinated I must say. Well I always knew there was "something" to them, starting with when realizing that at the time P1 entered my life I was having sa Neptune conjunct my Sun and Mercury and it was a big spiritual and at the same time elusive and illusionary experience. I mean meditation, astral travel, crazy dreams (during the day), telepathy, psychic phenomenons, creativity (I started writing poetry), music (first encounter with musical theatre) and so on. It was a completely Neptunian time. 

And the obsession I had with him? 
Well his sa Pluto had moved into a square to my Venus (natally they are trine), and his sa Uranus was applying to a square with my Sun (natally trine as well) and I think my sa Moon had just entered Pisces 1-2 years before and was conjunct his Jupiter exact. 

But anyway to see it in comparision and more systematic (and I just scratched the surface, it feels), it is really amazing. 




"Crazy stuff, all that you listed. And it's on the Mars-SN @ 7 Aqua.
"
Yes, you are right. Did not realize, but it seems that this arced configuration of his Sun-Saturn-MC-Moon and her Neptune-Juno is being really triggered right now. 

it is downright funny to me that our sa and pr composite Sun is on 7 or 8 Aquarius right now. lol (at least the progressed fullmoon next year will be from 8 Aqua-Leo, and pr Sun is the same as sa Sun)


And Tr Mars will linger, as it turns retrograde. well at the fanmeeting next month (crap, only one month?) Tr Mars will be on 8°35 Aqua and retrograde, so seems we cannot get rid of that Mars this summer, it will not just activating their solar arcs but going over our composite quite a lot. 


"It`s pretty funny but her and my Venus are being locked in a solar arc square as my solar arc Venus is currently 20 Aquarius, squaring her sa Venus on 19 Taurus by 31 minutes of orb.

Additionally my sa Sun on 10 Aquarius is widely squarer her sa Sun on 11 Taurus by 1°06."



I mean..................



This kind of thing, it's how I know truth is stranger than fiction.
"


Yes, our sa Suns were also annoying the heck out of P`s Chiron last year as I mentioned (his Chiron being on 9°35 Taurus). 
her sa Venus was on her own NN in recent months, and that means of course that my sa Venus was squaring her nodal axis (sort of a skipped step?) Oh and my n Atropos is on 19 Aquarius. 

Hmm that must mean my sa Venus was conjunct my Atropos - when was that?
Hmm november last year, (in between two concerts that I do remember vividly, well I remember them all. lol)


And my sa Venus had been exactly square her natal nodal axis on the day of the first workshop (orb of 1 minute, applying. lol)


Well her sa Venus had been still applying to conjunct her NN (exact in june last year)


Also another thing that I find downright funny is that there is a synchronization of both Venus-positions with his Sun/Venus-mp.

my sa Venus conjuncts his Sun/Venus-mp and her sa Venus squares it. 

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that was long. phew. and still only the first layer.