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Post by Ava on May 20, 2018 17:49:27 GMT
Show and tell, if you please. I'm really curious about this type of chart and what we can learn from them. === I'm starting to rely on these for prediction. For instance, I have this theory that a culminating stellium in the EVC is going to manifest as an event in keeping with that stellium. As an example, here's a chart for a significant and prophetic nightmare that I had: I was asleep, so of course, no idea what the actual time was, but I was still asleep when this chart was in effect. The chart has the ASC exactly on my Chiron, IC exactly on my Saturn. But the main issue is that stellium on the Cap-Aqua "Cusp of Mystery, Violence, and Imagination" as Gary Goldscheider calls it. Not only is the sun poised there, conjunct Mercury, but it's at the apex of a yod with Jupiter in Cancer (exalted; heightened emotion) and Virgo Mars. The moon of this chart conjunct the transiting sun when the dream took place.
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Post by lumina on May 20, 2018 20:07:45 GMT
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2018 20:41:31 GMT
lumina, so you like it? Forgot to say: In case anyone reading isn't familiar with event composites, it's simply a composite chart drawn between a natal chart and the chart for any moment in time.
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Post by lumina on May 20, 2018 21:09:37 GMT
Absolutely Like IT, yes!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 21:17:58 GMT
In case anyone reading isn't familiar with event composites, it's simply a composite chart drawn between a natal chart and the chart for any moment in time. Faith, as I understand it, an event chart, such as one when we met a partner or were proposed to, would be predictive of how that event might unfold. One could then create a synastry between the event chart and one's natal to see how that event affected us in that moment. So, would you say that an EVC, in contrast, would be more predictive as to how the event would affect us over the long term?
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Post by lumina on May 20, 2018 21:48:35 GMT
AvaSorry to hear You had a Nightmare. My Dreams Yesterday we're weird, featuring a flood / high Water, a puppy and some sort of bridging the distance from First Floor to some sort of cellar with a great difference in height without getting injured. ( The solution was Not to JUMP down in one Go Butvto First climb down one Floor and then taking a Leap and JUMP down the Rest. I landed safely on both feet and remarked that Not even my knees Hurt AS they usually so If i JUMP down somewhere. But i landed Very softly, almost catlike. Lol) when i woke Up i was completely disoriented, Not even Sure in what Version of reality i had awoken to. Lol
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Post by lumina on May 20, 2018 22:42:16 GMT
A Most recent evc of Mine. The Eventchart itself had Asc 9 sag, exact ony neptune-node MC 12 Libra Vertex 25 cancer Lilith 25 capricorn Sun 28 Taurus Moon 28 cancer ouch š± Eros 27 pisces Venus 00 cancer Priapus OĆ cancer Mars o01 Aqua Uranus 00 Taurus
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Post by Ava on May 21, 2018 1:28:09 GMT
"Faith, as I understand it, an event chart, such as one when we met a partner or were proposed to, would be predictive of how that event might unfold. One could then create a synastry between the event chart and one's natal to see how that event affected us in that moment. So, would you say that an EVC, in contrast, would be more predictive as to how the event would affect us over the long term?"
That's interesting, @astrokeen . I can see how it may hold clues about the future, especially if it's a dramatic EVC. If the energy is concentrated in one place, it could easily spur a person to be more decisive than usual, setting their course for a long haul. Or another person may react to that strongly.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 7:42:22 GMT
I looked at something similar a few months back, but I'm not good with these kind of things so don't know if it's relevant but thought it was interesting. I met my bf when I went to a meeting event with a friend, just over 3 mths later i found i was pregnant. It progressed quickly(uranus was hovering round my DSC). I did a synastry of the two event charts where i met my bf and when i found out i was pregnant. The timing of the meeting is probably not 100% but is not more than a few minutes afterwards, I remember because had to meet my friend there at a certain time and was introduced to my bf within a few minutes of being there. The timing of the finding out is exact to the minute because i text him the result as soon as I got it lol. I dont know if it means anything but i found it interesting that the angles are in the same sign not too far from each other. Synastry shows child conjunct destinn(5th house), and moon is conjunct venus in the 4th house. My LR for this month has moon conjunct venus...my due date. Also i thought it was interesting that the ASC of both is close to where TR Saturn(both charts ruler) is now. The father is a Capricorn sun/mercury and the child will most likely be a Gemini sun... I have Capricorn intercepted in my 3rd house... Meeting is inside and finding out time is outside Pls dnt quote
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Post by Ava on May 21, 2018 11:51:42 GMT
Great analysis vg, and so interesting...thanks for sharing that. I love moon-Jupiter in first meeting, conjunct the transiting sun when you learned you were pregnant! Almost like moon-Jupiter set the stage for it...
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Post by Ava on May 21, 2018 12:01:26 GMT
A Most recent evc of Mine. What happened?
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Post by lumina on May 21, 2018 14:55:37 GMT
A Most recent evc of Mine. What happened? Just some words and a Photo.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 15:45:21 GMT
"Faith, as I understand it, an event chart, such as one when we met a partner or were proposed to, would be predictive of how that event might unfold. One could then create a synastry between the event chart and one's natal to see how that event affected us in that moment. So, would you say that an EVC, in contrast, would be more predictive as to how the event would affect us over the long term?" That's interesting, @astrokeen . I can see how it may hold clues about the future, especially if it's a dramatic EVC. Ava , thanks. I was merely speculating - really checking with you if my assumptions made sense.
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Post by Ava on May 21, 2018 21:40:45 GMT
Sorry to be morbid, I just find this interesting: EVC of my natal with my father's death. Transits shown are for my mother's death, about 16 years before. * Both the EVC and transit have Pluto on my NN. * Both have NN, Mercury, Uranus, Neptune in Capricorn, clustered around my sun. * EVC Jupiter opp transit Jupiter. Just thought the matches were interesting........
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Post by lumina on May 22, 2018 9:46:16 GMT
Yeah, makes sense @astrokeen . I was looking that the EVCs for a sudden & permanent fallout, years ago. My EVC: 24 Aqua Mercury 27 Aqua moon Their EVC: 25 Taurus sun 27 Taurus Mercury...both on natal Mars 20 Scorpio Venus 22 Scorpio Pluto To me, it spells itself out, that I had done something surprising, and they had zero tolerance for it. On its own I would not have seen it (I mean just taking the EVC`s individually), I would only have seen that you were in a communicative mood, and saying something probably surprising or suddenly. And for the other party I would have seen that this was an intense moment for them, either very passionate or fraught with emotional tension, possibly the risk of some drama (due to the intense emotional and verbal response to something) and the emotional intensity seems to have been just increasing following that event chart (unless Venus was retro it was probably around 2 days later becoming exactly conjunct Pluto, and applying to the opposition to Sun-Mercury). There was of course with the opposition an aspect of other people or the relating to other people becoming important, either ones own approach and reaction to them, or whatever they were encountering that moment. The Zero-tolerance, makes sense if we compare the EVC`s, which I have never even thought about until you taught me to, so thank you for that!, the zany communicativeness of Aqua and the very strong emotional intensity and may I add fixation? of the Taurus-Scorpio-axis. LIttle understanding for anything that seems to threaten one`s current mindset or emotional condition, and with Venus-Pluto a definite transformation (Death and/ or rebirth) coming into play. Seems that a few days before, the Tr Sun and Mercury were opposping that Pluto, too, so it might have been an ongoing process, that first started with a thought pattern, a communication, but that then had huge results on the emotional/ relationship sector too.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 14:22:11 GMT
Wow! That stellium is something! Ava , could I please ask for your help with figuring this out. I had a dark night of the soul episode last night and am still recovering. But recovered enough to want to check its EVC. The time is approximate because the experience lasted a couple of hours, which could move the ASC somewhat. To cut a long story short, I felt this - existence is meaningless, there is no consciousness watching over us or caring for us. My life is, as all lives are, meaningless. I construct meanings to mask the sheer meaninglessness and lack of value in my existence, but these are false and an illusion. And so on. It was altogether hideous and brutal. Uranus opposing Saturn would partly explain it. To make more sense out of this, I added a few asteroids and was surprised to see Kaali on the Dsc and SN (stripping away past beliefs?) which would be fitting. Also Soma is exact on Saturn (This has bearing on how I happened to have the experience). Am heartened to see angel conjunct Sun, but how it was manifest is a mystery. Perhaps, protection from now on.
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Post by Ava on May 22, 2018 18:30:09 GMT
@astrokeen, I hope you're better now, hope you recover fully. I have those moments and days. And I love when they're over!! Coincidentally or not, I was feeling very spiritually empty yesterday morning. And I had said to 12YearsABlob, "it's one of those times where fear has taken over." Hmmm Yes, Uranus opposing Saturn, and actually, both aspect the sun. So a planet in mid-Aquarius forms a Mystic Rectangle with your EVC sun-Saturn-Uranus formation. Do you have anything in mid-Aquarius? I remember you're an Aqua moon. But I work with these in layers....if the EVC lines up with a natal and transiting planet, I assume it's significant. Therefore the current transiting triangle of 15Ā° Taurus Mercury opposing 16Ā° Scorpio Jupiter, both aspecting 16Ā° Pisces Neptune...it clashes all over the place with your EVC sun-Saturn-Uranus triangle. Your EVC sun t-squaring the transiting Mercury-Jupiter opposition; EVC Uranus-Saturn is t-squared by transiting Neptune, and so on (EVC Saturn and Uranus forming inconjunctions with Mercury-Jupiter). But most straightforwardly, perhaps... 1) EVC Chiron squaring the transiting sun (ouch); transiting sun applying to an opposition with EVC Mars (irritation). Also note, Mars is right on the moon-Neptune midpoint, so it's like a needle poking a balloon of idealism. 2) EVC Jupiter-Neptune square is exact, ideals (Jupiter) and spirituality (Neptune) aren't quite lining up. As the EVC NN travels Rx, I wonder if it will conjunct Jupiter while squaring Neptune, all exact. A spiritual crisis or breakthrough could be the result. Wishing you all the best with that. And honestly... I am so leery of any moon-Pluto contacts, I look at them both in Scorpio in that chart, and think it could rattle the soul on its own, all the more if the transiting moon was anywhere near your natal Pluto.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 19:42:22 GMT
Thank you, Ava . You're an Ace astrologer. I thought Moon and Pluto were too far apart, but yes, both in Scorpio. My Moon is at 22 Aqua. The EVC Moon is conjunct my natal Saturn (21 Scor). And transiting Moon was exactly on Pluto and squaring transiting Sun. it gets worse - transiting Uranus was opposing my Sun/Neptune. Yuck, indeed. I am very interested to know that EVC NN could be conjunct Jupiter. How would that occur? Is not the EVC fixed in time?
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Post by lumina on May 22, 2018 19:48:56 GMT
TIs not the EVC fixed in time? Yes and no. Yes, because of course it is the composite of a certain moment in time with your natal, in that way it is fixed. However you are having EVC`s every day, as the planets move on (we do not usually check them for each day though). So we can see in one EVC, usually by the wideness of some orbs in the EVC, what aspects might tighten over time or fade away, and in this way, they are reflecting a process and gradual development. Oftentimes however things or events of a certain nature manifest when the aspects are tight or exact. However even in cases of events like these, they sometimes or usually have a preparation phase, you can see the ground being prepared for the event by the wider applying aspects.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 20:07:00 GMT
lumina , thanks. Having seen the effects of the EVC, planets could be tracked to prepare for an event or check how they might unfold. Very good use of EVCs to investigate and predict events.
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