Asteroid astronomy

[Ava]

I'm a visual learner and space can be hard for me to visualize. I mean, orbital planes intersecting, that's nice, except they're invisible. 🤔

I didn't even know where the asteroid belt was located until recently. 😬 (Is that really my fault, though? Nobody ever talks about the asteroid belt.) 

Anyway, I'm going to just drop some links, quotes, and images here.

Almost all of the asteroids in our solar system are orbiting in a broad band 19,400,000 miles wide between Jupiter and Mars. The asteroids are orbiting the Sun, each one traveling around the Sun fast enough for the orbits not to degrade. If something slows an asteroid, it may "fall" towards the Sun, towards Mars, or towards Jupiter. As both Jupiter and Mars move past the asteroids in their orbits, they may be pulled slightly towards those huge bodies in their orbits. In fact, Phobos and Diemos, the two tiny moons of Mars, may be captured asteroids.

Some scientists believe that the asteroid belt was made when a planet that was there exploded or collided with something else and broke up. Other scientists believe that the material making the asteroids never came together into a planet at all.

www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/2-how-asteroids-orbit.html

Now you see all those asteroids that orbit close to earth?

Pretty sure they're all Apollo asteroids.

The Apollo asteroids are a group of near-Earth asteroids named after 1862 Apollo, discovered by German astronomer Karl Reinmuth in the 1930s. They are Earth crossing asteroids that have an orbital semi-major axis greater than that of the Earth (> 1 AU) but perihelion distances less than the Earth's aphelion distance (q < 1.017 AU).[1][2]

As of November 2016, the steadily growing number of known Apollo asteroids has reached a total of 8,180 members. It is by far the largest group of near-Earth objects, compared to the Aten, Amor and Atira asteroids.[3] Currently, there are 1,133 numbered Apollos.[4][better source needed] Asteroids are not numbered until they have been observed at two or more oppositions. There are also 1,472 Apollo asteroids that are large enough, and that may get close enough to Earth, to be known as potentially hazardous asteroids.[5]

The closer their semi-major axis is to Earth's, the less eccentricity is needed for the orbits to cross. The February 15, 2013 Chelyabinsk meteor that exploded over the city of Chelyabinsk in the southern Urals region of Russia, injuring an estimated 1000 people with flying glass from broken windows, was an Apollo class asteroid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_asteroid

Chelyabinsk meteor explosion:

[Ava]

I had no idea asteroids were classified this way, either:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mercury-crossing_minor_planets

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Venus-crossing_minor_planets

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Earth-crossing_minor_planets

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mars-crossing_minor_planets

I wonder if that has any effect on an asteroid's astrological strength or meaning.

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Ava , asteroids must follow similar rules as planets with respect to how their power relates to distance. Does Pluto have less power than Mercury, for example?

I am wondering if the meaning could be affected by distance/speed, however, and whether some asteroids are generational. So, if one has Logos, a slow moving asteroid, conjunct Saturn, that may indicate that the generation born in this era come from a higher spiritual plane. But as there are 1000s of asteroids at vastly different distances, where would one draw the line - which of these would fall in the 'generational' category.

You've raised an important point about some asteroids falling within the zones of planets. This may add another layer to their meaning. Perhaps we could take a few examples and check their distance, size, proximity to planet etc and see how they might be affected.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt#/media/File:Kuiper_belt_plot_objects_of_outer_solar_system.png

Let's look at Logos. Logos is a Kuiper belt asteroid, very very far away. It does not get closer than 5.8 billion km from the sun. The Kuiper belt is a circumstellar disc in the outer Solar System, extending from the orbit of Neptune to approximately 50 AU* from the Sun.  It is similar to the asteroid belt, but is far larger—20 times as wide and 20 to 200 times as massive.

Objects of the Kuiper belt (blue). Plot displays the known positions of objects in the outer Solar System within 60 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun. Jupiter trojans shown in Grey (6,178).  Giant planets: Jupiter (J), Saturn (S), Uranus (U) and Neptune (N) Centaurs (44,000) Kuiper belt (>1,000) Scattered disc Neptune trojans (9).

Logos is a small TNO (trans Neptunian Object) - approx. 80 km across. Speed - 0.01 degrees in 1 day, which means it moves about 3 and half degrees in 1 year.

Other well known TNOs are: 
Pluto, a dwarf planet and the first TNO discovered
20000 Varuna and 50000 Quaoar, large TNOs
28978 Ixion, a large plutino
136108 Haumea, a dwarf planet, the third-largest known TNO. 
136199 Eris, a dwarf planet, currently the most massive known TNO. 
136472 Makemake, a dwarf planet, the fifth-largest known TNO.


*AU - Astronomical Unit is a measure of distance roughly from Earth to the Sun.

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Quaoar, as most TNOs, is very slow moving - it takes about 288 years for Quaoar to go once around the sun in a roughly circular orbit. When a person is around 71 years old, transiting Quaoar will form a square aspect to her natal placement.

Like Logos, such slow moving TNOs would fall in the grenerational category. When these are conjunct an outer planet, the aspect would apply to whole generations and the meaning would, therefore, refer to the bigger picture or implications for a mass of people, such as striving for higher ideals or breaking free from traditional norms. 

[Ava]

Brilliant, @astrokeen, thank you! I feel like I'm finally learning the anatomy of the galaxy. I mean I had no idea the Kuiper belt was that much bigger than the regular asteroid belt.

I don't know what to make of the fact that Logos and Quaoar seem to be transiting square to each other, at consistent and similar rates of speed. Will have to think about it more.

markandrewholmes.com/logos.html
markandrewholmes.com/quaoar.html

I've been glancing at the lists of near-planet asteroids in the hopes of finding a prominent pattern, then I wonder if that's too crazy. Plus there are so many asteroids not even listed on wikipedia, and who knows what they stand for, and how it strengthens or weakens whatever theories arise from checking a smaller sample. But I think I'll put something together anyway, if only as a mental exercise or mnemonic, to remember which interesting asteroids travel close to which planets.

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May 10, 2018 2:46:37 GMT Ava said:

I don't know what to make of the fact that Logos and Quaoar seem to be transiting square to each other, at consistent and similar rates of speed. 

Where did you see this, Ava ? The have similar rates of speed, yes.

I like the research on the Mark Holmes link. I have Quaoar conjunct Mercury, trine Asc, which I take to mean that my skills lie in  "questioning, constructing, clarifying, revealing, creating abstract mental models, a spirit of discovery, the big picture".

Quaoar 13.32 Libra
Makhaon 13.32 - a surgeon
Archimedes 13.56
Mercury 13.57

Incidentally, Makemake (pronounced Mah Key Mah Key) is also a creator god, from the Easter Island. 

astrology.richardbrown.com/NewPlanets/Makemake.shtml - I like how Richard Brown distinguishes the meanings of Quaoar and Makemake. My Makemake is in the 12th squaring Neptune/ Sun. Manifesting my ideas materially is often a problem.

[Ava]

May 10, 2018 5:17:48 GMT @astrokeen said:

Where did you see this, Ava ? The have similar rates of speed, yes

58534 Logos
50000 Quaoar

I just noticed they were square when I was born (4° Leo Logos, 8° Scorpio Quaoar), they were square when my older husband was born, and they are square now (3° Libra Logos, 1° Cap Quaoar).

I love your Quaoar-Mercury conjunction and asteroids nearby. Very cool

May 10, 2018 5:17:48 GMT @astrokeen said:

astrology.richardbrown.com/NewPlanets/Makemake.shtml - I like how Richard Brown distinguishes the meanings of Quaoar and Makemake. My Makemake is in the 12th squaring Neptune/ Sun. Manifesting my ideas materially is often a problem.

Thank you for this link, it's very interesting. So Makemake is the third largest asteroid in the Kuiper belt, behind Eris and Pluto.

136472 Makemake is exactly conjunct Logos at 3° Libra today.

Natally I have this asteroid @ 20°20 Leo, exactly square my 20°00 Scorpio NN.

So it's the fulcrum of a see-saw. I can be all-or-nothing when it comes to getting things done.

[lumina]

For some reason unbekbowndt to me i am Fond of haumea. Also makemake, which IS in 19 Leo in my Chart. Trine chiron and conjunct Asteroid cupido exact

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May 11, 2018 14:10:17 GMT Ava said:

136472 Makemake is exactly conjunct Logos at 3° Libra today.

Thanks for this. This is rare enough to be noteworthy. 2 Libra is also the degree of the SGC. Here's a quote from this site:

www.the-dreamweaver.net/portal/en/articles/9-astrology/96-makemake-and-the-super-galactic-centre-the-chance-for-soul-retrieval

"The alignment of Makemake with the SGC produces a once in a lifetime opportunity to do deep level soul-work because these two celestial bodies are very much related in themes. In transcendental karmic astrology, asteroids are linked to the personal karmic level; centaurs (TNOs, SDOs, etc., that is, Kuiper Belt objects) describe the nature of the karmic wounds; and fixed stars denote the higher dimensional alternative worlds where healing can be achieved. Since all three key celestial areas are more than just mere stars - they are enormous clusters of galaxies with supermassive black holes at their centre - they are even more relevant in eliminating or transforming karmic wounds. How is this possible? We must remember that black holes warp both time and space. Karma, as a linear cause and effect concept, only exists on the Earth plane; that is why it is so hard to get rid of it down here, and that’s why we need to enlist the power of fixed stars, galaxies, and black holes whenever we can.

As the main significator of soul loss and soul fragmentation, it is essential to understand and to heal these issues when Makemake is prominent in a natal chart. On the other hand, the supermassive black hole at the SGC represents a profound healing energy. As Philippe Sedgewick further elaborates, “This black hole asks that you perceive your own energy and fuse it with your physical-cellular structure. This is soul mating. The Super-Galactic Center maintains the greatest implication of soul retrieval of any point in the Universe. It demands that you get back in there and deal with yourself in an essential manner. It is essential that you do so. It is also unavoidable. It will happen. The only question is when?” Well, looking at the astrology, I can tell you that the when is right now."

I have Spirit at 2.24 Libra and I can certainly attest to a renewed interest in seeking knowledge of spiritual realms and dimensions. 

[Ava]

May 11, 2018 16:47:50 GMT @astrokeen said:

I have Spirit at 2.24 Libra and I can certainly attest to a renewed interest in seeking knowledge of spiritual realms and dimensions. 

Fantastic! And what an awesome link there....I didn't know much about the Super Galactic Center, and I'm copying this, for the convenience of others:

The SGC (M-87)

The Super Galactic Centre (Messier catalogue M-87), presently located at Libra 1°7’ in the Norma Cluster, is one of the three key celestial areas in transcendental karmic astrology. It is a mysterious superstructure of the Universe; not a fixed star, but an incredible whirlpool of cosmic materials. For an easier reference, consider first the fact that the Earth is part of the Solar System, which is part of the Milky Way Galaxy. However, our Milky Way Galaxy is a member of a much larger structure, which contains many tens of thousands of galaxies that cluster together to form a large, rotating, disc-shaped Super Galaxy. The centre of it occupies the astrological degree of Libra 1°. Incredibly dense and filled with numerous black holes (identified as “supermassive back holes” in astronomy), it practically comprises the very centre of the known and observable Universe as seen from the Earth. As Philip Sedgewick1 describes it, “this powerful black hole devours everything in sight,” and adds, “M-87 has the mass of 30 trillion Suns”, which is an impossibly large concentration of matter, energy, light, and power.

Interesting that it's located on the draconic south node now.

And as you already quoted: "“This black hole asks that you perceive your own energy and fuse it with your physical-cellular structure. This is soul mating. The Super-Galactic Center maintains the greatest implication of soul retrieval of any point in the Universe. It demands that you get back in there and deal with yourself in an essential manner. It is essential that you do so. It is also unavoidable. It will happen. The only question is when?”

I've actually been consciously wondering about that...how to tap into the subconscious, get more in touch with my body and its condition, its latent power (physical-cellular structure).

Great information here, fitting for the current transiting Mercury-Uranus conjunction.

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Thanks, Ava . The degree of SGC or M-87 appears to have altered somewhat, i.e., moved further into Libra. In some accounts it is listed at 2 Libra. I can't find an ephemeris for M-87, and will update when I do.

[Ava]

Ohhh I got back to this late, you edited....

But thanks @astrokeen, M-87 is really intriguing, and relative to what you said earlier, anyone who can sense things like that, feeling out the galaxy like it's all close at hand, I am just amazed by....but I definitely believe such abilities are possible. I've seen enough other stuff to know.

[Ava]

May 10, 2018 2:46:37 GMT Ava said:

I've been glancing at the lists of near-planet asteroids in the hopes of finding a prominent pattern, then I wonder if that's too crazy. Plus there are so many asteroids not even listed on wikipedia, and who knows what they stand for, and how it strengthens or weakens whatever theories arise from checking a smaller sample. But I think I'll put something together anyway, if only as a mental exercise or mnemonic, to remember which interesting asteroids travel close to which planets.

Totally forgot I ever said that.

Well this is a reminder, if I'm ever bored, to actually follow through with this idea. 

Sometimes I go overboard with follow-through and sometimes I forget or do nothing. This is one of my less attractive features. 
 

[Ava]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mercury-crossing_minor_planets

1. 3200 Phaethon - Largest Mercury crosser, Has the smallest perihelion of any named asteroid. 5.1 ± 0.2 kilometers
markandrewholmes.com/phaethon.html

2. 1566 Icarus - First Mercury crosser discovered
mysticmedusa.com/2016/06/asteroid-icarus/

3. 5786 Talos
markandrewholmes.com/talos.html

4. 137052 Tjelvar
markandrewholmes.com/tjelvar.html

"Mercury Grazers:
All Mercury grazers have semi-major axes larger than Mercury's (0.3871 AU), and hence are outer grazers, i.e. have perihelia within Mercury's aphelion (0.4667 AU) but not within its perihelion (0.3075 AU). As of February 2016, there are 561 Mercury grazers known.(Values have been rounded to three decimals.)"

1. 2212 Hephaistos
alexasteroidastrology.com/hephaistos/

2. 37655 Illapa
markandrewholmes.com/illapa.html

3. 5143 Heracles
markandrewholmes.com/heracles.html

4. 2101 Adonis
markandrewholmes.com/adonis.html

5. 3838 Epona
mysticmedusa.com/2009/12/eponas-feast-day/

6. 2340 Hathor
mysticmedusa.com/2018/05/holy-cow-the-astrology-of-asteroid-hathor/

To copy:
3200, 1566, 5786, 137052, 2212, 37655, 5143, 2101, 3838, 2340

Leaving this here as a reminder to myself...my placements:



Most significant:

- Phaethon squaring my Saturn
Astrologically, Phaethon seems to indicate being out of control, something that "takes off" or is "a phenomenon," that which pertains to cars or driving, being "in the driver's seat," being out of one's depth.

- Hephaistos conjunct my Jupiter and draconic Venus, squaring my sun
Astrologically, Hephaistos represents skill and craftsmanship, artistry; lameness or crippling (or problems with arms or legs which fall short of actual crippling); rejection or abandonment, especially by parents; and mismatched unions, between persons ill-suited to each other.

^ Nice and hopeless-sounding 🙄

- Tjelvar trine moon and NN
The astrological meaning of asteroid Tjelvar seems to be: creator of light and warmth, establishing, reclaiming, saving.

I have a lot going on @ 20° Cancer, it's the ASC-Mars-Juno of composite with my husband & it's our son's sun degree. 

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Ava, Tjelvar and its meaning as "creator of light and warmth, establishing, reclaiming, saving" caught my eye. In the life of the baby, burdened by the other grandma who keeps finding him wanting and slow in many ways, I am the defender. Lovely to see that that my Tjelvar is exactly conjunct his Mars (10 minutes apart). Asteroids can tell a very detailed story .