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Post by lumina on Apr 6, 2018 9:32:06 GMT
This is a video about the Navamsa chart/ 9th harmonic by David Cochrane (he uses the tropical zodiac though, so it is really the 9th harmonic chart and not the Vedic sidereal Navamsa chart). The video is a bit theoretical, but nevertheless interesting especially in terms of interpretation.
He sais if there are many planets conjunct in the Navamsa chart that makes you inclined to teaching, counseling, healing, community stuff. Well I am a teacher, so I should have at least some conjuncting planets. He also uses a greater orb than I do for the natal harmonic chart conjunctions (I think 12 or 16 degrees, while I usually use 9 degrees - I use 9 degrees because if we convert it back it will show the partile aspects of the 9th harmonic).
In my 9th harmonic I have:
- Sun conjunct Mercury (not a real 9th harmonic aspect but a conjunction in the basic natal chart) - Moon conjunct Venus (a novile in the basic chart with just under 1 degree orb; in the 9th harmonic this means it looks like a 8-9 degree orb of course) - Sun conjunct Saturn: 9°12 - so there is a quadranovile in natal with an orb of 1° and 1 minute or so - Sun conjunct DESC: 9°46 - a quadranovile in natal with an orb of 1 degree and approximately 5 minutes - Sun conjunct MC: 8°41 - Mercury conjunct MC 0°43 (now that tells us that the natal aspect - a binovile I think - must be exceptionally exact) also I think it makes sense in my case to find my Sun-Mercury conjunction being in 9th harmonic aspect to my MC, especially since both Sun and MErcury rule my 9th house natally! Though of course MErcury also rules my DESC, and therefore this might also apply to possible partners, relationship, friendship or business-wise.
- Mars conjunct IC 1°49 : also if the orb is in 9th harmonic so tight, it must be 9 times closer in natal chart. Here this is a trine between my Mars and IC with an orb of about 12 minutes or so in my natal. Personally I love that trine, as Mars disposes my IC and conjuncts my ASC - I suspect it to give me a bit of strength
- Saturn conjunct Juno 0°07 - this is relating back to the tightest aspect in my natal chart, a trine between Saturn and Juno with just one minute of orb - Saturn conjunct DESC 0°35 - also pretty close in orb in natal, a novile of Saturn to the DESC - Juno conjunct DESC 0°28 - I think this must be a binovile - now while i was of course aware that I have a Saturn-Juno-trine natally, I had not realized previously it was in 9th harmonic aspect to my DESC - neither had I realized that I obviously have a partile interconnection between Sun-Saturn-DESC, well almost partile one of the aspects is like 1°03, but I find it still close enough. This might be even more important, as it is a 9th harmonic triangle, meaning Saturn is 40 degrees (novile) of my DESC, and both are quadranovile (160°) my Sun, hence my Sun is of course on the midpoint of my Saturn/DESC.
P incidientally has something similiar, but for him it is Sun on his Saturn/ASC - and for him this is not a 9th harmonic triangle, but is created by a T-square, so 4th harmonic aspects (and hence probably more energetic or indicative of a certain tension) - nevertheless it`s something we have in common.
But back to my 9th harmonic chart
° Neptune conjunct NN 1°56 (really is a conjunction in the natal - conjunctions at tight orb will occur in the harmonic charts as well, along with the aspects of that specific harmonic series, like 9th harmonic in this case)
° Pluto conjunct Pallas 0°50 (relating to a partile trine between Pluto and Pallas in my natal chart, which I also find fitting, as Pluto is conjunct my MC natally, so a job that is about teaching - 9th harmonic - to figure out patterns - Pallas- makes a lot of sense I suppose.
° Chiron conjunct Ceres 3°42 (also a tight one, and this is a novile in my natal chart; since Ceres natally is in my 3rd house and conjunct Jupiter - Jupiter would be considered novile Chiron possibly, too, as its orb exceeds 1 degree just by a few minutes- I never know what to make of Chiron, but according to the myth he WAS a teacher/ mentor/ guide)
There are of course also some direct midpoints in that chart. HOwever I think for me personally it makes a lot of sense, especially with the rulers of the 9th house in 9th harmonic aspect to the MC, and Pluto (on the MC) in 9th harmonic aspect, trine, to Pallas. Though I have not a firm grasp on it yet, the Jupiter-Ceres-Chiron seems to be fitting, too. (and maybe explains why my pupils seem to always start talking about food in my classes. lol)
Apart from that David Cochrane also sais in the video at about 27 minutes, that it is a chart of feeling part of and being connected to a community, which is probably why it is a chart of marriage, it makes you feel being part of a whole. Just wanted to share this (mostly to procrastinate having to grade tests. *sighs* that is something I do not particularly like about my job, having to grade the people I am meant to mentor. )
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Post by m2322 on Apr 6, 2018 12:29:07 GMT
Thank you for this lumina.. After I saw your other posts about 9th harmonic, I started looking into them again after a long time.. Although its really difficult to compare 9th harmonic charts on my.phone (I had downloaded a free program for my pc back then when we talked about astrology stuff in ll, I cant use it now obviously lol).. I laughed really hard with this though "Just wanted to share this (mostly to procrastinate having to grade tests" 😂😂🤗😇😉 Again thank you, really interesting stuff! 😊😘
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 6, 2018 12:53:25 GMT
I'm always tempted to do an apples-to-oranges comparison (such as 9H to natal synastry).
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Post by m2322 on Apr 6, 2018 13:34:09 GMT
I do that too 12YearsABlob lol Comparing to natal, its inevitable since I know the numbers (of my planets or of other person's of interest lol) by heart. lumina how would you interpret 9th harmonic neptune and saturn of a particular person conjunct my natal SN exact? AND my 9th harmonic MC at the same time (ok his natal Saturn is anyway conjunct my natal MC, so I am not sure if this counts for anything) Also His 9th harmonic Atropos conj. My natal NN AND my 9th harmonic Jupiter at the same time His 9th harmonic Mars and Venus opp my natal Moon (2orb) AND my 9th harmonic Asc exact His 9th harmonic MC conj. my natal Moon (<2 orb) AND my 9th harmonic Asc exact His 9th harmonic SN conj.his own natal SN and conjunct my natal Ceres His 9th harmonic Jupiter opp my natal Sun (~2orb) AND opp my 9th harmonic Venus My 9th harmonic SUn-Uranus-Moon conjunction on his natal Dsc (exact) And some more..lol impossible to write them all down on my phone.. All these if we treat the 9th harmonic as symbolic of course, I know that this should be avoided if we treat harmonics strictly astrologically, but I cant seem to avoid the temptation lol And its easier to compare these 2 charts on my phone too lol
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Post by lumina on Apr 6, 2018 15:38:57 GMT
Well, I am going to leave the "apple-orange-comparision" to other people, cause I am not sure that it means anything at all (and we will certainly always find overlays, just per chance. I need a good convincing reasoning behind WHY we would compare those, and so far I haven`t come across a good reason, so I just leave it be; the harmonic chart - comparision in itself makes sense, because it highlights certain aspect families, that are of course present in the basic chart. I do not like to use the term natal, cause in face every harmonic chart is the natal chart, put under a magnifying glass.)
But as I said, give me a convincing reason and I will be the first person to jump onto the comparision, just until then, count me out.
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Post by m2322 on Apr 6, 2018 16:18:35 GMT
Ok lumina you were really clear on this and I understand your logic and analysis, you really got a point on that. But apart from that I cant really comprehend the meaning of noviles lets say, since the 9th harmonic aspects represent a trine, novile or any other aspect multiple of 9 isnt that right? So in that case this leaves us with the following 9th harmonic aspects at least (there are more with a 9orb comparison but I got to go in a while so I cant write down the rest, I ll probably come back later) His 9th harmonic neptune and saturn conjunct my 9th harmonic MC (ok his Saturn is anyway conjunct my MC, so I am not sure if this counts for anything) His 9th harmonic Atropos conj. my 9th harmonic Jupiter His 9th harmonic Mars and Venus (conj my 9th harm dsc) opp my 9th harmonic Asc exact His 9th harmonic MC conj. my 9th harmonic Asc exact His 9th harmonic SN conj.his own natal SN ?? (I have a different to natal 9th harmonic NN) His 9th harmonic Jupiter opp my 9th harmonic Venus So these are just the 9th harmonic aspects. How do I interpret them, does anyone have any idea/suggestion? Or is it a post for readings in the forum?
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Post by lumina on Apr 6, 2018 16:52:54 GMT
m2322"But apart from that I cant really comprehend the meaning of noviles lets say, since the 9th harmonic aspects represent a trine, novile or any other aspect multiple of 9 isnt that right? " Not quite. 9th harmonic aspects are made by 360° (the zodiac) divided by 9, meaning the basic 9th harmonic aspect is 40°, the novile, and all 9th harmonic aspects are products of those 40° multiplied by 1, 2, 3 and 4 (after that the aspects repeat), so leaving us with 40°, 80°, 120°, 160°. Those will appear as conjunctions in the 9th harmonic chart, as well as the exact conjunctions from the basic chart being carried over, too, of course. I do branch out from that though, and take the whole aspect-gestalt of the 9th harmonic chart into account. the whole chart reflects the symbolism of the 9th harmonic, not only the conjunctions in there, though they are the purest form of 9th harmonic aspects. however the other other aspects, but with much smaller orb, do contribute to the 9th harmonic symbolism, too (in short the 9th harmonic represents a form of connectedness, along with the other interpretations Cochrane gives, though I dislike him mentioning politics in the video, that is manipulative, and I do not approve of that.). Those other aspects will highlight minor aspects that you do not easily see in your basic natal chart, but they are there, and in the 9th harmonic, in particular finetune the 9th harmonic symbolism (probably especially the trines in that chart, because they are a 9th harmonic aspect anyway). the squares in there might introduce a bit of tension, or conflict-potential, but also basically provide the energy to actively reach out to other people to get connected to them. A square in a 9th harmonic chart might be very different from one in a 4th harmonic chart, which is a chart about tension anyway, in that instance a square could be just too much. Just like a trine in the 9th harmonic could be very smooth, flowing, effortless, comfortable, but possibly might make you too comfortable, too complacent to act. " His 9th harmonic neptune and saturn conjunct my 9th harmonic MC (ok his Saturn is anyway conjunct my MC, so I am not sure if this counts for anything) " I wonder about that, too, but a conjunction is a very special occasion so I would count it. I think it means that you are really emphasizing putting a spotlight on his Neptune and Saturn. ARe these novile in the natal chart? Then he might feel the need to integrate the flowing nature of Neptune with the structures of Saturn. Making the intangible tangible, manifest some dreams into reality etc. "His 9th harmonic Atropos conj. my 9th harmonic Jupiter " No clue really.... taken literally, he might end your faith and it will be good for you. possibly cutting down your enthusiasm a bit, but since it is the 9th harmonic, it might still be a good thing to keep the peace and connection alive. But really Atropos is a mystery to me. "His 9th harmonic Mars and Venus (conj my 9th harm dsc) opp my 9th harmonic Asc exact " Very very very interesting. Yes, Mars and Venus on your DESC. Great attraction marker, especially from him to you I think, though it is DESC so you might feel it like he is a good potential relationship partner (and he might feel you might be a good sexual combination, though not necessarily marriage material, but if so, then a marriage with regular sexlife probably). The sexual attraction here might be a way of bonding for the two of you, but I think since the 9th harmonic is that smooth flowing harmonic, growth oriented, too, it might be not in your face like in the natal but more about sexual compatibility and it might be growing over time instead of becoming less. just a few examples how I would interprete them, though it is always tough to do the isolated aspect interpretation. but then on the other hadn I certainly have no time to do a whole chart interpretation. so isolated aspects is all we can interprete here.
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Post by lumina on Apr 6, 2018 16:54:26 GMT
I have 9th harmonic Saturn and Juno on 2 Sag, 9th harmonic DESC on 3 SAg conjunct P`s 9th harmonic Sun on 2 Sag - I suppose this is a no brainer.
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Post by lumina on Apr 6, 2018 17:01:01 GMT
but hey not even their navamsa charts could keep Brad and Angelina together. the first part at about 3 minutes until 10 or so, is interesting. But then of course this video here later in the video he also addresses the 9th harmonic transits to 9th harmonic synastry. it takes time to listen, but it is interesting.
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Post by m2322 on Apr 6, 2018 17:02:06 GMT
Thank you for clarifying luminaI certainly embarrassed myself with the multiple of 9 lol, I had learned that ages ago but I completely forgot, I addmit that and thank you fir the thread as an opportunity to remember and learn more of course! I got the point, I ll try to come with an interpretation and see what other aspects there are and maybe come back here for some help (validation or not) later though cause I really got to go! But thank you very much again about the help!! Very interesting stuff!
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Post by m2322 on Apr 6, 2018 17:02:55 GMT
I have 9th harmonic Saturn and Juno on 2 Sag, 9th harmonic DESC on 3 SAg conjunct P`s 9th harmonic Sun on 2 Sag - I suppose this is a no brainer. LOL! Wonderful.though!!
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2018 0:28:39 GMT
I don`t believe the 9th harmonic necessarily represents the Other per se. That is a Vedic point of view. If you are doing Vedic with this, then you should probably also use the sidereal zodiac, and yes then you can compare it to the natal. And yes, in that case we could do exactly as you said.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 7, 2018 0:38:22 GMT
^ Oh, I see..! But isn't that what Mr Cochrane was saying? Think I'm getting confused with these systems..
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2018 10:02:04 GMT
^ Oh, I see..! But isn't that what Mr Cochrane was saying? Think I'm getting confused with these systems.. No, he was saying, and agree with him on that, it is a chart that shows your ability/ inclination to feel connected to something or someone, usually in a context that even exceeds two people, though two people of course can also form a "society/ community", it shows what you contribute to that society and how you feel supported and "belonging" to there. In this way it absolutely has a relation to marriage, but is not a chart of the partner really. It`s not like you see: Oh there is a Mars in Taurus in my Navamsa, so my spouse has to be a Taurus. Of course your marriage has a lot to do with your partner, however the idea "marriage" contains some more aspects than the two individuals in question: mostly it also contains the thought of: how compatible are we in terms of our life-plan? Apart from that Cochrane sees the 9th harmonic also as one that makes you "feel a part of things, not separate, harmony of the soul, harmony of the community, how you bond with your environment, teaching, counseling, healing". He also has a video on the Navamsa charts of criminals, yes criminals have navamsa charts, too, and apparently there are some rather difficult aspects to find, like he mentions there "Saturn - Uranus and Saturn-Neptune aspects are difficult for some people especially if aspecting an inner planet. Saturn - Uranus: community is restrictive and oppressive and they need to feel free of restrictions Saturn - Neptune: very sensitive to hypocrisy and insincerity, cynical of community values and religious ideals Also Moon - Saturn and Saturn-Pluto can lead to a yearning for a genuine bond that, if not fulfilled, can result in loneliness. The person will cling to those people and situations, where there is honest communication, even if not healthy and often not endorsed by the community." Hmm, talk about codependency! I wonder if Bonnie (and Clyde) had this aspect. Curiously enough Lancelot, who will play Clyde, has an exact Pluto-Saturn in his 9th harmonic chart (with Chiron just 2 degrees away, so the three planets must be really tightly interwoven in his natal chart: Saturn novile Pluto: 0°01; Saturn trine Chiron: 0°15; Pluto quadranovile Chiron: 0°16) I don`t have a Saturn-Pluto nor Moon-Pluto in my 9th harmonic, so I guess I am somewhat safe from the codependency-factor, at least as expressed in this aspect. Interestingly however my 9th harmonic Moon is in orb for Lancelot`s Saturn-Pluto (natally: his Pluto trine my Moon 0°43; his Saturn quadranovile my Moon 0°44; his Chiron binovile my Moon: 0°56) I also do not have Saturn-Uranus nor Saturn-Neptune in my 9th harmonic. Anyway Bonnie and Clyde, probably mostly Bonnie actually: on a random note Lancelot`s Mars is actually tightly conjunct Clyde`s Sun in Aries, so he might be able to express that aspect pretty well I suppose. They also share a Pisces-Venus, though not conjunct, however Lancelot`s Mercury conjunct Clyde`s Venus - so there might be some sort of understanding of this side of the personality there, I am getting even curioser about the play. lol (actually there was/ is a Mercury-Venus-conjunction. - it does fascinate me comparing actor`s charts to those of people they portray) Well not that straightforward, but Clyde had in his 9th harmonic a widish Saturn-Uranus closish Sun-Pluto (if birthtime is right near the ASC) widish Moon-Pluto (well what I call widish, is within orb according to Cochrane, at least in terms of the conjunctions) the tight Venus-Neptune-square connected to the MC is interesting - he probably was completely gamourizing his criminal actions (doing it all "for love" something of that crap). Bonnie Parker didn`t really have a coherent 9th harmonic chart at all (but then again she was not big about the community either, at least if the community was NOT Clyde Barrow) just a Pluto-Chiron (well not that easy either), and a widish Moon-Uranus there however some interesting and close oppositions popping up in her 9th harmonic: Sun (11 Sag) opposite Pluto (11 Gemini) ! Uranus (11 Cancer) opposite NEptune (12 Cap) and her NN seems to have been conjunct the Moon/PLuto-midpoint. Anyway I`d say in this instance the interesting thing was them both having a tight Sun-Pluto aspect in their 9th harmonic, so possibly this is one to tread carefully around as well. his 9th harmonic Venus was exactly trine her 9th harmonic Pluto - and well, trines in the 9th harmonic probably are soo comfortable, sooo soothing, you can really tell yourself that it is all alright,e ven if it sure has hell isn`t! her 9th harmonic Venus was in exact square to his 9th harmonic Pluto *sighs* and also in square to his Sun - there you go! Exactly what the world needed. and her 9th harmonic Mercury in trine to his 9th harmonic Sun-Pluto; yeah I can almost hear the rationalizations, just to be able to stay together and not let go of each other and their way of life, if you want to call it so. Nevertheless, tragic history esp. for their victims, but good stuff for a musical. Funny enough Lancelot has got a Sun-Pluto-opposition in his natal chart. BTW his 9th harmonic Venus seems to be opposing Clyde`s 9th harmonic Sun-Pluto; his 9th harmonic Moon (if I have gotten his birthtime coincidentally right. lol so take with a grain of salt), would be conjunct Bonnie`s 9th harmonic Pluto, opposing her sun. It will be interesting to see what he is going to make of that stuff as an actor.
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Post by m2322 on Apr 7, 2018 10:42:15 GMT
^ very interesting stuff lumina! lol -... it does fascinate me comparing actor`s charts to those of people they portray) ^ And LOL about the happy coincidence..I did.that less than a.month ago.about Mila Jovovich and The Messenger of God : Joan d Arc. Really fascinating!! I had a Jupiter Rx in 9th so I am really into spiritual religious stuff lately LOL (comment on choice of movie, I even watched Franco Jefitelly Jesus of Nazareth again LOL) Although I am interested in knowing more on this jupiter return, I ll stick to the 9th harmonic for now.. I really love them and want to comprehend them more..I am still in an early stage really, so thank you!! Please dont quote 😊😇
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 7, 2018 16:42:50 GMT
No, he was saying, and agree with him on that, it is a chart that shows your ability/ inclination to feel connected to something or someone, usually in a context that even exceeds two people, though two people of course can also form a "society/ community", it shows what you contribute to that society and how you feel supported and "belonging" to there. In this way it absolutely has a relation to marriage, but is not a chart of the partner really. It`s not like you see: Oh there is a Mars in Taurus in my Navamsa, so my spouse has to be a Taurus. --- Hmm, talk about codependency! I wonder if Bonnie (and Clyde) had this aspect. Curiously enough Lancelot, who will play Clyde, has an exact Pluto-Saturn in his 9th harmonic chart (with Chiron just 2 degrees away, so the three planets must be really tightly interwoven in his natal chart: Saturn novile Pluto: 0°01; Saturn trine Chiron: 0°15; Pluto quadranovile Chiron: 0°16) --- Bonnie Parker didn`t really have a coherent 9th harmonic chart at all (but then again she was not big about the community either, at least if the community was NOT Clyde Barrow) --- her 9th harmonic Venus was in exact square to his 9th harmonic Pluto *sighs* and also in square to his Sun - there you go! Exactly what the world needed. Wow, thanks for that! I can certainly see how that would play out as a 'criminal' couple that had the ride-or-die mentality. Besides, Bonnie was a Libra.. Libra can pretty much be the loving 'partner' to anything, including partners in crime. "then again she was not big about the community either, at least if the community was NOT Clyde Barrow" -- Yeah, Libra can get like that, about their partner/S.O. Throw in some obsessive synastry aspects and it becomes a problem. Will you be attending that play? I have glanced at my 9th harmonic, but haven't studied it in detail.. Will come back & post the most prominent aspects I see. P.S. I wanted to quote all of it, but it got unweidly, so I'm chopping off some of it. It was all very interesting, though!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 7, 2018 16:51:56 GMT
lumina , So if people calculate synastry aspects between their individual 9th harmonic charts, how would you interpret that? Or would you interpret only in terms of the theme? For instance, if they have aspects between the luminaries - somebody's sun conjunct/opposing somebody's moon, what does that *mean*? ETA: My 9th harmonic, adding here for my own reference, on the right thread. Taurus Sun/Moon/Neptune conjunct, moon on the NN (0°). Pisces Venus square Sag Pluto. Taurus Neptune sextile Cancer Mars, square mercury. Pisces Jupiter sextile moon, trine mars.
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2018 17:34:39 GMT
12YearsABlob "hrow in some obsessive synastry aspects and it becomes a problem." Yes, even without the harmonic synastry, they had Venus-Pluto ALL Through the charts. Both having the square natally (like P and me, but we are nice tame people, actually he always emphasizes how nice he is, or that he is a real nice guy, makes me very suspicious. ) his Venus was opposing her Venus (and Moon) within one degree and this was squared by both Plutos pretty tightly too, as they were just a few months apart in birth. Don`t need any harmonic chart for that. lol Her Neptune was sprinkling some fairy dust in form of a trine to his Venus, too, which as we see can get dangrous for the world. Oh and of course their Suns were opposite each other, the archetypical Mars meeting Venus over the Sun opposition from Aries-Libra her Venus widely trine his Mars-Uranus didn`t calm down things either I suppose. Well the trine is smooth, but Mars-Uranus-conjunction in someone who is basically a loose cannon already? Does not need to be loved and cherished for THAT. probably he would have needed some Saturn to keep him in check. "Will you be attending that play? " Yes, I will see it twice, and one time I will see it from ON stage. ROFL NO clue, I just saw that they had seatings at the side that looked like they were on stage, and that is a perspective - sideways I have never had before - I was curious about that. how do i deactivateSee the chairs at the right and left side of the stage? That is where I will sit at the second performance (right side, 3rd chair. lol)
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2018 17:37:52 GMT
For instance, if they have aspects between the luminaries - somebody's sun conjunct/opposing somebody's moon, what does that *mean*? I think these two people could potentially feel like they give each other`s life "meaning", like they are very compatible in terms of the community as well, on the same plate in terms of social concepts, might even be inclined to marriage, depending on other aspects. They could come to an agreement in marriage as well, as to how things should be handled. Might have an healing influence on each other, too, making each other quite happy, though it depends I guess if there are other exact aspects to that as well, a Saturn square could be quite a killjoy.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 7, 2018 17:52:29 GMT
12YearsABlob "hrow in some obsessive synastry aspects and it becomes a problem." Yes, even without the harmonic synastry, they had Venus-Pluto ALL Through the charts. Both having the square natally (like P and me, but we are nice tame people, actually he always emphasizes how nice he is, or that he is a real nice guy, makes me very suspicious. ) his Venus was opposing her Venus (and Moon) within one degree and this was squared by both Plutos pretty tightly too, as they were just a few months apart in birth. Don`t need any harmonic chart for that. lol Her Neptune was sprinkling some fairy dust in form of a trine to his Venus, too, which as we see can get dangrous for the world. Oh and of course their Suns were opposite each other, the archetypical Mars meeting Venus over the Sun opposition from Aries-Libra her Venus widely trine his Mars-Uranus didn`t calm down things either I suppose. Well the trine is smooth, but Mars-Uranus-conjunction in someone who is basically a loose cannon already? Does not need to be loved and cherished for THAT. probably he would have needed some Saturn to keep him in check. I hear ya! I had a guy who always made it a point to say he was a nice guy. Welllll, he had issues. Although if a Virgo mars says that, I'd be inclined to believe it. So, P might just be stating facts. That's so true about the archetypical Mars-Venus opposition, some Scorp-Libra can be like that too. Although it might be more heavily weighted towards the new ruler, Pluto, making it a Pluto-Venus thing. Anyway, getting off track here. I love that analysis of her Venus encouraging what need not have been encouraged. LOL. Wow, I've never seen seats like that. Up close n personal! It'd be almost like they're saying their lines *to* you. Let me know how it goes, and what the view is like from there.
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