Double sun/moon and nonetheless there will be no 2nd date!

[enneline]

I met that guy online, "liked" him and quickly accepted an invitation to a date. I still "like" him, we got along very well and there was a kind of connection, unfortunately not romantic from my side. Sorry, don't think he is sexy

I realized that he's been more into me than i am into him. Well, there will be no date from my side

I just checked our synastry and think it's not that bad, his venus is in gem and so i think i should like him but i don't want to see him again. Why is that? I mean our synastry has double sun/moon and venus/saturn, one could think there is a lasting bond between the 2 of us.

synastry

[Ava]

Hi enneline,

The synastry link brings us back to this page.

[enneline]

ah sorry, i just double checked.

Okay, we have sun/moon double whammy as well as venus/Saturn. No venus/mars contacts, except a wide trine from my venus to his mars. His mars is not very aspected, except that wide trine and a wide Opposition to my Saturn/node. One might think that he has no interest in pursuing

my moon, my Chart ruler, falls on his aries stellium incl his sun, 7h ruler.

my mars, my mc ruler, is conjunct his ic

my mars in gemini likes men with Placements in gemini- he has venus in gem and is not my type

What do you think? this synastry seems to be strong at first glance, but we didn't go further to any 2nd date

[Ava]

enneline

Looks like good synastry, but your Saturn squaring his Venus might explain your cool feelings towards him.

Also, I am no fan Mars square Mars in romance, and with his sun and your moon in Aries, that square would be all the more annoying.

Your moon conjunct his Chiron -- well moon-Chiron is tricky and often ends in pain.

[enneline]

Thanks so much, faith

oh, yes, that could be the case: i always thought venus/Saturn could be the glue in a relationship but yes, it could also result in me feeling cold. That's too bad beasue i have mars in gemini

also, his moon is square my moon. I have found out that i cannot stand hard aspects to my moon. Moon is my Chart ruler and hardly aspected in my natal. People who make hard aspects to my moon, really need to "conquer me"

But what i still don't get: i have seen synastries that left me wondering why a couple got together and then i have those synastries that look at least ok but the people wouldn't even have a second date. It's a bit mind-boggling for my mind. As if synastries don't really play a role- it's a personal choice. I mean let's face it, if you want, you can always find reasons why a couple is dating and why not.

[lumina]

Either synastry does Not Work, or WE are Missing Something. I believe the second, WE May have the wird's But have Not quite figured Out the Syntax yet.

Other random thoughts

- sun/moon IS Not necessarily romantically

- Venus/Saturn Takes time to evolve and even then IS mostly a loyal comitment Factor, Generally speaking

- Lack of Mars synastry Seems to be detrimental for physical chemistry, even semisaures Help, esp If related to a square so Mars will BE in a midpoint in the other persons Chart

- unlike other astrologers i consider IT more challenging If our own gender planets are unaspected

- seemingly unaspected planets might get aspected by conjunctions or oppositions to composite planets or angles

- conjunctions to the angles and their respective aspects are taking Center Stage,

- synastry IS Not Just General But Individualität. IT has to Match the Natal Charts

- synastry IS showing Potential But will remsin "an intriguing Idea" unless IT geht's triggers

- triggering Happens usually though transits, lunations and Progressions

- overlays of each Natal to the composite often more clearly Show WHO IS affected how

[lumina]

I am Not totally Sure But i think while You could have a lasting friendship with him, sexually He would bore You to death-
He might be too mellow for You. But You could have a sexless marriage. Lol

In the other hand with your sun conjunct His 5th House ruler He might disagree wir that.

[Ava]

Mar 28, 2018 9:42:31 GMT lumina said:

I am Not totally Sure But i think while You could have a lasting friendship with him, sexually He would bore You to death-

Haha....BEWARE OF PISCES MARS.

In my experience they are quite sexual, it's just not obvious at all when you meet them. 

Well, kind of like my Neptunized Mars....nobody knows what I'm about, except I just told you something.

[lumina]

Oh i do Not doubt pisces Mars can be quote sexual, might Just Not be the right Kind of food for enneline. Esp. With His Mars being unaspected. She might Not really See him AS a man and He might Not feel manly around her. Though He might still be erotically attracted to her.

[enneline]

Lumina, again i am wondering why you haven't become a Professional astrologer yet

Thanks so much for your input, as usual spot on. I don't see him as a manly dude, just a nice little man and anything you mentioned is spot on as well

You and Faith are soooo talented!

[lumina]

enneline

thank you.

[Ava]

Ah, thanks from me, too enneline, though....I wish I deserved that!

Still learning

[lumina]

Ava

you absolutely deserve it! You are a great astrologer!

And yes we are all still learning of course.

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Your 7th ruler doesn't make good aspects to his. And since it's saturn, it's kinda damning ...
His 7th rulers however are very excited with your planets (right on your venus and opposing your moon)
Your moon's ruler doesn't make any aspect other than that generational opposition to neptune. BTW, Aries moon is a very tricky placement and since every single astrologer seems to gloss over how complicated it is *roll eyes* because it is presumed to be so reckless and childish and simple ... hm I am here to tell you all aries moons are extremely sensitive to others' mars placement and that mars in pisces of his isn't kicking your fire. You need your mars to aspect an air sun or an air/fire mars, otherwise you'd fall asleep.

His moon, however, is at home so it's pretty happy with your sun.
His sun's ruler doesn't make any major aspect to your planets either so IMO in the long run his ego is not reinforced by any of your energy; he feels comfortable around you but you don't seem to recognize his ego ... I know the conjunction is there but rulers et al are very important. I personally dont even appreciate that many Aries suns myself so to me the new moon synastry can be a hit or miss.

[lumina]

Apr 3, 2018 4:42:02 GMT @theunknown said:

 BTW, Aries moon is a very tricky placement and since every single astrologer seems to gloss over how complicated it is *roll eyes* because it is presumed to be so reckless and childish and simple ... hm I am here to tell you all aries moons are extremely sensitive to others' mars placement and that mars in pisces of his isn't kicking your fire. You need your mars to aspect an air sun or an air/fire mars, otherwise you'd fall asleep. 

My best friend has an Aries-Moon (that I personally love, but her Moon is sextile my Moon, though there are also more complicated aspects, but then again, we are friends, not marriage partners. lol). 

She has a not uncomplicated psyche, that`s true. I know where that`s coming from though. 

Anyway, she`s been in a relationship with a guy (longterm, 7 years or more), who was HIGHLY incompatible with her and who would not really value her as a woman, though for many years they had a "functioning partnership", just that it was not "romantic love" that was at its basis. 

His Venus-Mars--conjunction in LIbra was virtually, no really unaspected by any of her planets (he got together with a woman after or during their relationship - the ending part was a bit drawn out, so there were some parallel relationships happening there- who has Sun-Venus conjunct his Venus-Mars I believe.). Also while they both have Venus-Mars in Libra (and she has her Mercury there too), his is conjunct Uranus while hers is conjunct Pluto. Erm, well yes, just for the record, doesn`t bode well for a longterm erotic compatibility. 

Her 7th ruler, Saturn, was aspected in the synastry, while his 7th house ruler, Mars, was not. Though her Moon was within 5-6 degrees to his DESC. 

And that is the thing, what they DID have, was Moon-synastry. Their Moons in trine, with her Saturn trine his Moon, and of course her Venus-Mars-Pluto sextile his Moon. his Moon-Neptune - conjunction in Sagittarius basically provided the personal planet to her Kite figure in Sagittarius. (containing her Moon, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Pluto and Neptune).

I`ve always thought that possibly it had been the Moon-synastry that has been keeping them together, they got along well in their daily lives, too. They, especially him, were just not "in" love with each other. 


He husbands Moon in Aquarius sextiles her Moon exactly, of course also opposes her Saturn and trine her Venus-Mars-Pluto and so on. The Saturn-opposition seems to not be so bad for them, though some people were rolling their eyes, when she started to re-structure his life and daily habits (he had been quite a slob and inclined to heavy drinking/ smoking joints when they met). Curiously enough he seemed to not only accept this but actually like it and felt like it was an expression of someone caring about him (he is the middle child of 4 or 5 children, with parents who had their own issues during him growing up, due to a weird case of "open marriage" for some time, and a bit of a 60`s flair at home, at least in his formative years, that changed later). 
Well he is a Capricorn with Sun conjunct ASC in Capricorn, so certainly not afraid of Saturn. 

They do have their fair share of challenging aspects though, except for the Saturn-Moon-opposition (which is also an aspect between their respective 7th house rulers), because her Venus-Mars-Pluto squares his Sun-ASC; his Mars squares her Sun, too. 
But they manage these aspects very constructively. 


Well that became longer than I intended it to be. lol 


Also wanted to say I more and more pay attention to dispositors, too. Actually I dreamed about them last night. Someone doing a good job trying to convince me to exclusively use the new planets as dispositors instead of the traditional ones. lol (I seem to always try to figure out if really both are applicable or which set of dispositors for Scorpio, Aqua, Pisces I should favour, maybe it was subconsciously on my mind yesterday)

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lumina
I’m discussing enneline’s chart here because she has a mars in gem

I need to see the chart of your friend but Aries moon tend to like libra placements mostly because they know how to keep the fight going lol

I don’t disagree that it’s uncomplicated. What I said is it’s a tricky placement. Since Aries moon is so straightforward even the lunar native doesn’t take time to understand its own feelings. In fact any Aries placement always seems uncomplicated but they are notorious for divorces. Aries suns have the highest divorce rate and if you look at all te divorcees in Hollywood lots of them have Aries placements. Which mean they normally stick to something not particularly functional for a long time before breaking because Aries placements need that precarious feelings as well as drama and the chase and they tend to be self confident which lead them to gloss over how functional something is.

I can go on and on and o understand most data’s Arian’s are quite linear in their thinking but if you sit down and analyze why they choose what they choose, it tends to be more complicated than even they think of themselves


For example sag placements take a long time to commit because by the the time the fire sign reaches its last sign, it has a clearer understanding and analysis of its own energy. Like honestly many Aries should just play the field like sag until they get older ... but they don’t actually entertain several options at once. They’re much more singleminded when they’re in it

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Another example of Aries moon being in a bad relationship for a long time is Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber...

Anyway... we went off topic lol

[lumina]

@theunknown

"I’m discussing enneline’s chart here because she has a mars in gem

I need to see the chart of your friend"

It wasn`t my intention to make you analyze my friend`s chart. Just wanting to show another real life example to confirm what you wrote. It also seemed a matching example as she has an Air Mars as well, and her husband has Mars in Gemini. Though of course her Libra Mars will also be different to a Gemini Mars.


"Since Aries moon is so straightforward even the lunar native doesn’t take time to understand its own feelings."
Generally speaking - yes. But of course like always it comes down to the individual chart. My friend always takes a lot of time to explore her feelings, thinking about them, talking about them to really understand them. But of course this is an Aries-Moon which is opposing a stellium in Libra and squares the Cancer-ASC.
So that is certainly different from other Aries-Moons who have different chart-set-ups.



"hich mean they normally stick to something not particularly functional for a long time before breaking because Aries placements need that precarious feelings as well as drama and the chase and they tend to be self confident which lead them to gloss over how functional something is. "
I`ve never thought about it like that, but it makes loads of sense. Yes, definitely seems to be the case.

[clementine]

What jumps out at me in the synastry:

Venus conjunct Saturn
Saturn square Venus
No trines or sextiles involving Venus and another planet (your Venus or his)

Essentially, you offer each other lessons without a lot of pleasure. Like medicine without any sweetness. Could be good for you, could feel terrible.

His Mars makes no aspects to your planets. His sexuality isn't really landing with you. Your Mars conjuncts his IC—he's INTIMATELY feeling your sexy vibes.

Your double Sun/Moon conjunctions make me curious—you could potentially be really supportive friends when it comes to balancing your inner and outer selves, but because you each have Sun square Moon in your natal charts, you're triggering that square in each other. Worst case scenario: each of you reminds the other of something they don't like about themselves. This brings us back to the Saturn links—you're here to help each other learn something important, even if the relationship itself has not romantic future.