Draconic composite

[Ava]

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[lumina]

Ava

great posts! So much to think about. Yes, especially the phase angles are so intriguing.
Also your thought about the angle in comparision to the NN.

Well so my Draconic Moon is in Gemini, because my Moon is in an opening/ waxing sextile from my NN. (not exactly it is 67 degrees after it, also we could say it is in the 3rd house phase..

Makes sense to me, sharing knowledge, gathering information (well the reverse order of course), not always knowledge but ideas and thoughts, spontaneously expressive in communication, but not always very differentiating, the Gemini-phase is too "young" for this, just bubbling out the thoughts, having formed before. unless we liken the NN to a fullmoon as you did, then the Gemini phase in terms of the NN, is actually the waning sextile, the 11th house one, if we compare it to the lunar phases.

NOw I am confusing myself. lol

I rather think of it as the waxing sextile phase from the perspective of the north node. More curiosity than downright knowledge I suppose.


Also what always fascinates me, though of course it is clear from the mathematics, but just in terms of meaning it is intriguing.

If a synastric aspect replicates your innate natal NN-degree (distance from 00 Aries), then this results in a conjunction between DRaco and tropical level.


For example P`s NN is on 1 Virgo, which is a quinkunx plus 1 degree after the NN, so those quinkunxes between us that replicate that will show as conjunctions from his Draco level to my tropical.

from the top of my head I am thinking of his Draco Mars-Jupiter conjunct my tropical IC (about 3-4 degrees).
in tropical my IC is on 5 Aries, and his Mars-Jupiter is on 10 and 11 Virgo, so there is 151 (his north nodal degree) plus about 4 degrees.


his Draco Mars is also opposing my tropical Pluto exact. in the tropical synastry his Mars is 29° before my Pluto. so a semisextile minus 1 degree, and that is the complementary aspect to his North Nodal degree of 151 (if you add them up, you get the 180 degrees).
It actually would be a conjunction if starting from the South Node. I guess that should actually show in its meaning.

his SN is of course 331 degrees, and therefore 29 degrees before the Aries point, and therefore exactly mirroring our natal Mars-Pluto-angles, so this is a south nodal connection rather. For whatever that is worth. lol

[lumina]

as for my parents, no I wouldn`t see the Mars in conjunction, esp. since they are in different signs. However my Mom`s Draco Venus on 9 Libra is conjunct my Dad`s tropical Mars-SN on 9 Libra, and when they got married, I believe her progressed Venus was on 9 Libra, too.

I love my Dad`s Venus-Jupiter on her DESC in Draco, and how it connects with her URanus-ASC on his Pluto (albeit a bit intense. but yes that is true), also my Dad`s tropical Sun on 5 Aqua is of course conjunct his Draco Venus-Jupiter. When he met my mom or they got married he had Sun-Venus on the DESC n his Solar Return chart.


There is actually a lot to talk about in those charts, but well not really in the mood for it. lol

[lumina]

P and me also have, among other things,

an opposition between

his Draco Moon on 27 Cancer
my Draco Pluto on 28 Capricorn

In terms of phase angles:

his Moon is 117° after his NN
my Pluto is 119° after my SN

and his Moon is 63° before his SN
and my Pluto is 61° before my NN


So I gues sthat means, everytime when we find an opposition on the Draconic level, it is a connection or resonance between North and South Node.

[Ava]

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[Ava]

Ack, thanks for your thoughts lumina! I was composing and didn't see.

Be back later!

[Ava]

Sept 24, 2019 17:47:23 GMT lumina said:

 unless we liken the NN to a fullmoon as you did, then the Gemini phase in terms of the NN, is actually the waning sextile, the 11th house one, if we compare it to the lunar phases.

NOw I am confusing myself. lol 

Yeah, talk about the dragon eating its tail! It is confusing.

I mean if the NN is the ascending node, maybe it's more like a new moon. We don't *know* our NN energy yet, do we? So the moon ascends into visible territory, not knowing what it's getting into. By the time it descends, it knows all about what just happened: the moon "saw" it on earth...so it makes sense if that is our supply of knowledge heading into the next cycle (south node, past life).

Plus, new moon, draco NN in Aries, that all fits.

So maybe it's the draco SN that is the full moon.

Speaking of that, with tr sun in Libra conjunct my husband's Jupiter and moon today, and tr Jupiter on his draco sun and my draco ASC, he has told me he loves me about a million times. I'm just being all Sag-like: "Thanks, great, have I mentioned I hate marriage, though?" He's even being nice about that. Jupiter can be swell (pun intended). 

We're also talking about working together on this book he is writing.

Just trying to get ready to simply leave the house but it's too much of kind of brainstorm day.

[lumina]

Yes, that makes sense to me. NN as the New Moon-phase, the start of something, but you cannot yet see what it is.

As for Draconic transits.

Last saturday there were these to our Draconic composite (and of course Tr Dr Mars on my Dr Moon and tropical DESC)


ONly draco transits

Tr Mercury on 26 Gemini conjunct c-Venus on 25 Gemini
Tr Venus on 23 Gemini conjunct c-Venus on 25 Gemini (on my pr c-Venus and his pr c-Uranus somewhere around 24-25 Gemini)

Tr Mars on 7 Gemini conjunct c-Sun on 5 Gemini (On my Draco Moon on 6 Gem and tropical DESC on 7 Gemini)
Tr Priapus on 6 Gemini conjunct c-Sun

Tr Jupiter conjunct c-Ceres on 2 Virgo exact (one degree conjunct his true NN, and exact on his mean NN)

Tr Pallas conjunct c-Pallas on 25 Cancer exact (on his Draco Sun exact, also conjunct his Draco Moon and MC on my Draco IC)

Tr Psyche conjunct c-Eros on 23 Libra exact (and tropical c-Mars on 23 Libra and NN on 20 Libra)
also conjuncts c-Priapus on 24 Libra and c-IC on 25 Libra - it is a rather, erm, loaded area. lol


Tr Vesta on 13 Aqua conjunct c-Vesta on 11 Aqua


So basically it seems like in the timeframe of the last 2 weeks we have had several Returns to our Draco composite

Solar Return on 5 Gemini on 14th september, the day of his last solo concert
Venus Return on 25 Gemini, on 22nd september, just a couple of hours after the concert on saturday
Pallas Return on 25 Cancer, on 22nd september
Vesta Return on 11 Aquarius, on 12th september

and in recent weeks/months there was the Juno-Return, draconically and tropically

[lumina]

Ava

definitely seems like Jupiter is very important in terms of relationships or connections for you.

Well it disposits your tropical Venus and it is your Draconic chartruler. That is def. interesting.

Hmm so I guess Neptune has that role for me in terms of being Draconic chartruler.

[lumina]

Hmm that is how the Draco synastry with P (inside) looks, just taken on its own. And suddenly I have him in my 4th house. lol



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[Ava]

Sept 25, 2019 10:36:05 GMT lumina said:

Ava

definitely seems like Jupiter is very important in terms of relationships or connections for you.

Well it disposits your tropical Venus and it is your Draconic chartruler. That is def. interesting.

Yes, and draconic Venus exactly conjunct tropical Jupiter.

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Sept 25, 2019 10:36:05 GMT lumina said:

Hmm so I guess Neptune has that role for me in terms of being Draconic chartruler.

Makes sense. How do you feel about P's draco Neptune squaring your draco sun-Mercury?

Sept 25, 2019 10:36:05 GMT lumina said:

If a synastric aspect replicates your innate natal NN-degree (distance from 00 Aries), then this results in a conjunction between DRaco and tropical level.

I think I get that. So, H's NN is widely quincunx his Jupiter, and my NN is widely quincunx my Mars, and this results in our exact Mars-Jupiter synastry conjunction in draco.

Sept 25, 2019 10:36:05 GMT lumina said:

So I gues sthat means, everytime when we find an opposition on the Draconic level, it is a connection or resonance between North and South Node.

You make math sound cool. Don't worry, I mean that as a compliment.

[12YearsABlob]

Great examples up there... In draconic composites, I almost always find a tie in to natal planets/angles (conj./opp.) - perhaps even more often than tropical composites. Not sure if that's significant or just a numbers thing.

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

I definitely find conjuntions/oppositions from the composite to natal planets in meaningful connections (connections that have a meaningful impact on at least one of the people involved, doesn`t mean they even become a couple or will stay together for life, though it does happen), mostly looked at tropical.

However I find it intriguing that the overlays from Draco composite to Draco natal could show different overlays than the tropical composite to tropical natal. Definitely worthy to be thinking about.

and well of course it is a number thing. Everything in astrology is, just that we see a qualitative meaning inherent in the numbers.

David Cochrane wrote some bits about that, too, cannot really rephrase it, but the conjunction/ opposition from composite to natal came up as one of the things he found to be signs of a meaningful relationship between people (though he keeps the orb to about 2 degrees at most, personally I tend to stretch it to 3-4 degrees, though 4 degrees start feeling a bit wishy-washy, if it is not part of a larger stellium).

There is also a sense of projection going on, we cannot really connect to a relationship in its pure way, as this is more or less an abstract thing, and always leads back to the person involved.

So in my case in a certain composite the composite Jupiter falls onto my Sun-Mercury (and the guy`s Neptune - we are just getting along well, there is no romance factor involved).

There is an expansive quality inherent in the relationship/ connection that seems to support and encourage my personality quite well. Giving me the feeling of being appreciated for my expressive thought processes, you could say.

It is inherent in the relationship, but since a relationship is made up of two people, and I am one of them, of course mostly I feel like this positive influence comes from the other person. And of course in some way it does, or the way we mesh together does, not him as a person per se, but him as he relates to me, or as we are "together".

I mean composite Jupiter means that both our Jupiters are equally distant from that composite Jupiter, and therefore mirroring our Jupiter-qualities, and here it touches an important part of my personality.

Also there is another reason (except for the mirroring and complementing picture) why the overlays, if tight, from composite to natal are so important. They will both get hit by transits, simply spoken, and being brought out.

So at the same time as my Sun-Mercury will be triggered, so will be the composite Jupiter (which actually will be the case this november, when Transiting Jupiter moves across it. lol)

[lumina]

weirdly I have never even looked the overlays from Draco composite to Draco natal up, mostly cause I wrongly assumed it would be the same as tropical. How interesting that it isn`t!

[lumina]

Ava


"es, and draconic Venus exactly conjunct tropical Jupiter.
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Potentially a very happy aspect. Or maybe meaningful relating to each other being a condition for happiness. or expansion, meaningful converations, travelling leading up to romantic feelings. 





"Now doesn't all that just make sense? It would be so weird if I have my birth time wrong.
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Seems pretty right.




"Makes sense. How do you feel about P's draco Neptune squaring your draco sun-Mercury?
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to be honest, never considered that really. It`s over 3 and even 4 degrees. In progressions it is also moving away, as his pr Draco Neptune is at 22 Cancer right now, so while it might be there, I don´t think it is one of the major features. 



"You make math sound cool. Don't worry, I mean that as a compliment.
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LOL

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 26, 2019 5:27:21 GMT lumina said:

12YearsABlob

I definitely find conjuntions/oppositions from the composite to natal planets in meaningful connections (connections that have a meaningful impact on at least one of the people involved, doesn`t mean they even become a couple or will stay together for life, though it does happen), mostly looked at tropical.

However I find it intriguing that the overlays from Draco composite to Draco natal could show different overlays than the tropical composite to tropical natal. Definitely worthy to be thinking about.

and well of course it is a number thing. Everything in astrology is, just that we see a qualitative meaning inherent in the numbers.

Right, I meant - is it a mathematical fact that this will *always* happen? You can't guarantee there will be personal planet overlays in tropical composites, right? I was wondering if the calculation of draconics had anything to do with tropical overlays on draconic composite... However, with my limited set of draconic charts, it doesn't always seem to be the case, so maybe not...

[lumina]

Sept 26, 2019 11:49:36 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Sept 26, 2019 5:27:21 GMT lumina said:

12YearsABlob

I definitely find conjuntions/oppositions from the composite to natal planets in meaningful connections (connections that have a meaningful impact on at least one of the people involved, doesn`t mean they even become a couple or will stay together for life, though it does happen), mostly looked at tropical.

However I find it intriguing that the overlays from Draco composite to Draco natal could show different overlays than the tropical composite to tropical natal. Definitely worthy to be thinking about.

and well of course it is a number thing. Everything in astrology is, just that we see a qualitative meaning inherent in the numbers.

Right, I meant - is it a mathematical fact that this will *always* happen?

No, it won`t. Some composites might miss one or the other natal almost completely!

[12YearsABlob]

^ Right, yeah, that's what I was saying up there after checking.. Haha, random!

[lumina]

lol 12YearsABlob

well, found some interesting overlays from Draco composite to Draco natal


for me
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c-MC conjunct Venus 25 Aries
c-Sun conjunct Moon 5-6 Gemini
c-Moon conjunct Jupiter 2-1 Cancer
c-Pluto conjunct Mars 24-25 Pisces
c-Pluto conjunct ASC 24-26 Pisces
c-Pallas conjunct IC 25-24 Cancer
c-Amor conjunct Neptune 29 Pisces
c-Saturn conjunct Pluto 28 Cap - 1 Aqua
c-Moon conjunct Ceres 2 Cancer - 29 Gemini
c-Uranus conjunct Vesta 21 Aries


for him
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c-ASC conjunct Mercury 10-8 Cancer
c-MC conjunct Saturn 25 Aries
c-Vertex conjunct Vertex 25-27 Aries
c-MC conjunct DESC 25-24 Aries
c-Venus conjunct Uranus 25-22 Gemini (his pr Uranus is on 25 Gemini and my pr Venus at 24 Gemini currently, draconically)
c-Jupiter conjunct Pluto 19-20 Taurus
c-Uranus conjunct DESC 21-24 Aries
c-Chiron conjunct Eros 9-7 LIbra
c-Pallas conjunct Sun 25 Cancer
c-Pallas conjunct Moon 25-27 Cancer
c-Pallas conjunct MC 25-26 Cancer
c-Priapus conjunct DESC 24 Libra
c-Priapus conjunct Antivertex 24-27 LIbra
c-Eros conjunct ASC 23-24 Libra