Basic astrology questions

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@intuitivefish - I would say transits to your 6th house(or opposite 12th house) or 6th house ruler - Maybe saturn(time) or even chiron tranists as well. 6th house is related to day to day things, like work, health etc...

I went on my maternity leave when chiron was squaring my moon and uranus was just finishing up in my 6th house(and opposing my pluto/saturn)

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Thank you vg
around March I will have Chiron in 6th house, Moon over MC

I do have a reason for asking this as I have had some smaller health problems recently which could need longer healing

[vg]

Took me a while to find this thread. Why do angular houses/cusps have more significance than other house cusps in synastry?

eg. say someone's 5th house cusp is conjunct someones dsc? wouldnt that be significant. I dont have an example of a close conjunction.

Mine is 11th deg pisces, my two longest relationships where virgo risers(so a pisces dsc). Though could be because my dsc ruler mars was conj their ASC.

I mentioned in another thread i sometimes wish i was in another career- one that is useful to society(eg psychology). I currently work in IT and in my mind I switch between wanting to do the one that is helpful to society and one that is currently paying my bills, which i actually do like.

My sun is my 10th house ruler and lies very late in the 11th house(associated with IT the larger society???) and the 12th - wondering now if this is also makes me feel like this on the subject.... though I do have a moon in Gemini too

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Just some ramblings

[12YearsABlob]

^ I think there are two different questions there...

As far as I know, the angular houses get more importance in synastry because of what they represent. They represent some things that are at the core of most relationships (7th = how you relate to others, 4th = how you are in private, etc.). However, beyond that, the other houses also have importance (2nd house = resources, self-esteem, physical attraction; 9th = values, aspirations, etc.). They're just not the most "popular" in discussion because people want quick readings, quick solutions. So, websites/people tend not to dig too deep (unless the owner wants to), in order to get the traffic that buzzwords generate. To be fair, I do see interpretations of all houses in synastry on most sites -- so it's more so the discussions that exclude them.

Personally, I think all houses are important and the degree of importance is determined by one's own natal chart.

As for the second question -- yeah, that does sound like 11th/12th house involvement..! Do you think you'll switch careers someday?

[FruityLlama]

I suppose another thing is that the ASC in particular is the most eastern point at the time of birth. Not only is it very sensitive to time, but it therefore maps out the rest of your chart. The rest of the angles are also very specific points in the sky and so I suppose they act as the skeleton of the chart if that makes sense? I always think of them as like the body of a kite.

Building on that, there is also the symbolism as stated above by 12YearsABlob. And again, I think that comes from the almost physical placement of these in the sky (North, East, South, West...or perhaps more fittingly, Left, Right, Up and Down). I know the MC isn't really about the top most point in the sky, it's about where the ecliptic intersects the meridian, which to my understanding is like the ecliptic but vertical....?

Sorry, I don't know if that's helpful or not. Hope it was though.

[12YearsABlob]

Yes, that's a good point, FruityLlama ! The angles are our "antenna" as they say. I've known them to be pretty accurate in synastry.. They're the doors and windows of our natal chart "house"..

[FruityLlama]

Antenna is such a good metaphor! Yes me too, an alignment of the angles between two people can be really binding.

And also, they can really help when trying to guess someone's ASC. People tend to display their angles quite prominently in public- well, mainly the ASC and MC, which again can help map out the rest of the chart.

[vg]

Thanks both!

I dont know to be honest 12YearsABlob - I like what i currently do as well, and sometimes i feel its too late to completely start over. I do hope to be able to do both in some capacity - maybe one part time.

[12YearsABlob]

^ That did cross my mind, you know. I was going to ask, with your Gemini moon, would you be interested in doing both? Ha, looks like a maybe!

[vg]

Haha funny that the ruler of my Gemini moon is also in the 11th house in Virgo, mercury also rules my 11th. Astrology is so complex!

[vg]

Sorry for asking multiple questions lol. But can someone explain to me the term "higher octave"? I've seen it a few times on various forums but i dont really understand it.

Neptune is higher octave of venus/uranus is the higher octave of mercury etc....

In music it basically just means higher frequency. What does working at a higher frequency/Octave actually mean in astrology? 

Is it because for example neptune and venus are both romantic but neptune is said to more likely to - i dont know - wear thicker rose tinted glasses? Also neptune rules a mutable sign, venus rules a fixed and a cardinal sign - wouldnt you expect the "higher octave" to at least have the same modalities? e.g. have the moon be the higher octave - you know a man apparently dates venus but then marries the moon.

Sorry if this is a stupid question and also if i am talking complete rubbish. I really don't understand the significance of this term, what it actually means in astrology terms, musical terms i understand. 

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[FruityLlama]

It does refer to higher frequencies and, well, I've always thought of the more intense version of the personal planets. Here is a link to a website that explains it quite well, but my understanding is that the personal planets act as our everyday interactions, whereas the outer ones are for those once-in-a-blue-moon experiences that never leave you (emotionally/in terms of memory).

Other than that, I am actually not sure. Would be intrigued as to what others have to say.

karmicastrology.blog/planets/higher-octave-planets

[vg]

Thanks FruityLlama - will have a look

[12YearsABlob]

My take on this is: "higher octave" in astrological terms means "more refined" (or serving a higher purpose, or being broader in scope). In case of Neptune and Venus, the classic example: Venus' love is personal, in the here and now, in the flesh. Venus will love you for you, she will appreciate your qualities and quirks. Neptune, on the other hand, is not as focused. It is a diffuse, almost impersonal sort of love. Neptune can have compassion for the 'everyman' - but by definition that means that their focus on the one man is diminished. It can be great on its own, of course, the world needs compassion without qualification. But in terms of personal, romantic love, Neptune finds it hard to come down to the here and now. Neptune, in its pure form, can love you from afar, without need for consummation or even meeting in person. Venus will want to express itself.

A badly functioning Neptune, can then use this as a means to escape human love altogether and devote themselves to an impossible ideal. Wanting only the very best, ignoring true love because it does not live up to the fantasy. Venus is not entrapped by that longing for cosmic perfection.

Thus, being the "higher octave" is a double-edged sword. And the difference between personal planets and their corresponding outer planets is usually a difference of scope.

*P.S. All of this is just my opinion, btw..

*P.P.S. The reason Neptune is called the "higher octave" is also (probably) because it relates to divine love(?) It is generally thought that divine love is the ideal, or the highest form of love there can be.

[12YearsABlob]

Hope you don't mind me going on and on, but you got me wanting to put this into words.

I think I see the outer planets as adding dimension to the inner planets: height (Uranus), breadth (Neptune) and depth (Pluto).

Uranus-Mercury: Mercury can perform intricate calculations, collect infinite factoids, and see everything with razor sharp, scientific precision. Even though it tends to be dispassionate, there is a danger of not seeing the forest for the trees. Uranus, with its "30,000 foot view" can piece together these facts and figures into a coherent whole; perhaps leading to a new concept or school of thought. Due to its higher perspective, it connects the dots in ways we cannot.

Pluto-Mars: Mars's raw energy is effective in the most direct way possible... If Mars is fire, Pluto is magma. Pluto's reserves bring Martian energy down to the mantle, the core, because Pluto knows that keeping a lid on the volcano makes it more powerful in the long run. Pluto is concerned with the inner workings of power. Mars does not necessarily want people under its thumb - it only wants to get its way *today*. Pluto wants to make sure it has sway for the foreseeable future, not just today. Mars wins the battle, and Pluto wants to win the war.

Neptune-Venus: As mentioned before: personal love vs universal love..

*Sorry for the word salad, I've got a chronic case of brain fog. Might delete later.

[vg]

Thanks 12YearsABlob ! Those are really helpful descriptions. "Word Salad" - I actually like the way you described things here, it's nicely written and to the point. I feel like i waffle when I write.

[12YearsABlob]

Aah thanks, vg .. <3 Your posts are thought-provoking.

[Ava]

Apr 13, 2020 11:37:55 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

*P.P.S. The reason Neptune is called the "higher octave" is also (probably) because it relates to divine love(?) It is generally thought that divine love is the ideal, or the highest form of love there can be.

'Love your descriptions.

My Venus-Neptune conjunction is a bit wide but I think it's been obvious in my life. Or, I notice how I'm not like other people in certain respects. Almost like regularly taking a drug that makes you really, really sensitive and impressionable...there is distortion.

My husband's Pisces stellium friend used to say, when I had babies: "They are straight from heaven. They still remember heaven."

I suspect my intense love of color when I was a child might have something to do with that...seeing colors as something more obviously spiritual, reminiscent of a cosmic past? It still affects me, but far less often and less intensely (usually).

This is what I mean by, it almost seems I'm on drugs: there are these razor blades I stock at the store. The handles are clear orange plastic. To most people, just an orange handle. But this was a color/material I adored as a child, with the same intensity you might have for a beloved person in your life...I *loved* it.  Every time I look at these razor handles and spend a few moments zoning out with them (almost like they are crystals!) I start getting emotional, on the verge of tears. And it's not that I'm remembering my childhood. To me if feels like remembering what I was remembering in my childhood. It's like falling down the rabbit hole of my emotional self and its ancient past. Okay, girl tripping out looking at razor handles, this is not a normal sequence of events... But that's how I connect with the idea that Neptune's the higher octave of Venus: it's palpable and not "normal," it's the way love is a portal and transports you into a different frequency or something.

And I always thought everyone was like that and I was shocked when I figured out that they weren't. 

Might delete, but I was trying to communicate this to my coworker earlier today and she was laughing and I realized it's actually really difficult for me to legitimize or explain....drugs is the best analogy I can think of. Granted the Pisces moon square Neptune probably makes it woozier. 

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

I see it exactly the same way like you put it. And no word salad, that was brilliantly said, and very clear.

[12YearsABlob]

Thank you so much, lumina..<3