Marks chart

[lumina]

A chart that describes each person`s perspective on the relationship. The Marks chart works with making a Davison of each single person with the Davison chart. 


www.bobmarksastrologer.com/markschart28.0.htm

I agree with him, in that it shows how each person is affected by the relationship itself, or actually what it means to them and what it manifest into their personal lives. 


The only difference is that I would substitute the Davison chart with the composite (personally I find the composite more interesting in terms of the feelings and energy that it describes, though Davison chart is pretty apt if looking at what kind of events we can expect). 

Sadly you`d have to do it manually as I don`t think astro.com has the option. If you can download the free software Planetdance, then there is a possibility to do that with that program. 

[Ava]

Modern Cosmic did a video on this:



I've been looking into these, all this past week, one after another.

My Marks chart with a certain ex has a tight minor triangle of Venus trine Mars, both sextile the apex of Jupiter-Chiron. Huge pain at the center of a Venus-Mars trine? LOL

My Marks chart with my husband is quite orderly and "fated" looking, as most of our astrology is.

[lumina]

his marks chart with me

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[lumina]

That is interesting what she said, about always referring back to the natal, and it makes sense. I am reminded of what my best friend once said to me, when I was all enthusiastic about her prospects of falling ecstatically in love, romantic bliss, erotic heaven, love at first sight etc. (I thought everyone wanted that! lol), but she got really pale and was HORRIFIED, this felt like a loss of control to her, and she hated feeling "un-safe" like that, preferring a much different scenario of love. (which confused me, to be honest, I mean a Venus-Mars-conjunction in LIbra in 5th house SCARED of falling in love?), but that is what she told me, and I believe her, I have only once seen her head over heels in love with someone, completely losing her mind, and it became a complete desaster!

So that point IS interesting, what if I feel that strong zing of passion about someone, but either this scares me for some reason or even if I indulge in it and cherish it the short term, it might be ultimately incompatible with my relationship and romance needs in the long term?


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Hmm, I´ve listened a bit more closely (also to other videos of her), and find her too judgy for my taste. 
Most of what she sais is rather sound, albeit I disagree on her asessment of the composite. It`s always in play. I mean whenever we are analyzing charts of people who are not living together, they are ALL potential-charts, no matter if comparing the natals, synastry, progression, composite, Davison or whatever. So composite is nothing different. I really have no clue why astrologer invented that "only valid once living together" thing. 

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This is so interesting. I just try to understand even parts I dont sound interesting.
Too bad astro.com doesnt do these charts.

[lumina]

oh the regular Marks chart can be done on astro.com.
You have to cast a Davison chart with another person. And then save this davison chart as astro.com offers you. Once you did that you can make another DAvison chart of the basic Davison chart and your natal, and that would be your Marks chart.

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Which Davison do I choose?

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Never mind I dont know how to do the saving or using the same chart again
I'm useless 😔

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Wow! This is very interesting Ceri, thanks for sharing this with the class. I just tried this out with my boyfriend and I and I must say the charts really do resonate and align with our inner lives. This is pretty darn revolutionary to me.

[lumina]

athena,

can you say if they are more descriptive of what you feel, the energy you feel together or in what you manifest, what you experience together, also in relation to the outer world?

[lumina]

@intuitivefish


you pick "DAvison relationship chart - uncorrected" and then cast the chart.
Above the chart picture you see some underlined writings, you click then on the one that sais: Add these data to my astro

if you do that, you have stored the DAvison chart and can find it in your list of data. And then you can load it again and make a Davison of that chart with any other chart.

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Ugh.... I MADE THE MOST GIANT POST AND ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED OUT OF THE TAB!!!! That's the second time this has happened to me! I wish we had drafts that auto saved on this website. Now to type all that back up again..

[lumina]

Just sharing Dawn Bodrogi`s view on the difference between Davison and composite (robert Blashke claimed that Davison is descriptive of outward influences/ circumstance of the relationship and also external influence on it).

Well that is Dawn Bodrogi`s view

"The two main popular forms of composite charts are, as most of us know, the midpoint composite and the Davison composite. (Please note that it’s called the Davison and not the Davidson chart.) The midpoint chart is the one we are most familiar with. It takes the midpoint of each planet or point in the chart and finds the midpoint between the two–Sun to Sun, Mars to Mars, Saturn to Saturn, etc.. As anyone who has worked with them knows, midpoints are powerful. The midpoint between any two entities is where the rubber meets the road–there is a flash, an energy point that is attractive, magnetic, that creates experience according to the expression (or expressions) involved. Midpoints are about essence. It is also where the two entities can resolve their differences, where they can merge. And lastly, the midpoint shows action; it reveals where the blended energies will take form. What we end up with is a chart that is it’s own entity. It reveals, not the interaction between two people (i.e. my Pluto conjunct your Moon makes you cry) but the action of the relationship itself (our composite Pluto conjunct our composite Moon reveals an emotionally tense, perhaps fraught, relationship where power plays and emotional manipulation from both parties may be the norm). The good news about midpoint composites is that, with work and the cooperation of both parties, all difficulties are resolvable. Our composite Moon/Pluto conjunction may lead us to explore the deeper side of our interaction, which may lead to cleansing us of he manipulative behaviour that emerges when we’re together. Our relationship may never be a walk in the park emotionally, but our desire to dig may lead both of us to our soul-path via Pluto’s action on our essential awareness. The first Moon/Pluto pairing, with the conjunction between the charts, will have a much harder time of it because one person’s Moon will be fighting another person’s Pluto, and vice versa. (Conjunctions are not the happy, stable things many assume them to be.)



The Davison chart is a midpoint chart in time and space. We say that a lot, too, without explaining it. Davison discovered that if you calculate the exact point in time and the exact point in space between any two birth charts, the resulting chart was a powerful tool. It’s a midpoint chart that is not theoretical, but anchored in real space and real time. If you were born in 1950 and I was born in 1960, our Davison chart would occur in 1955. The chart is calculated from the adjusted birth time and place. (The birthplace may end up in the middle of the ocean; it doesn’t matter.) Is this also a chart of the relationship? Yes, it is. Is it different from the midpoint chart? Some say no, just work with them and pick your preference. I say yes, they are different, for a good reason.



The midpoint chart is a powerful map of an energetic pattern–our hotspots as a couple. It’s our charisma, our union, who we are when we are together. It is inner-oriented, focused around the pure expression of the energy that occurs when our two like planets meet. The Davison, like all time/space charts, is anchored not in pure expression, but in physical reality. It describes who we are together within our particular life circumstances. Therefore the Davison chart is expressed through the physical reality of our lives. It sees our relationship being acted upon by circumstances, places, other entities/beings involved in the partnership. It has a life of its own, and can be progressed the way any normal chart is progressed, because it has a real time and a real place to anchor it. (Progressed midpoint charts consist of taking the two individual progressed charts and making a midpoint chart from them.) Now here comes the big question, which is more valid? I say both, and I use them both, in different circumstances, depending on the questions being asked of the partnership.



Since the Davison reflects the physical here and now (it’s still a theoretical chart, but it’s grounded in mundane reality) I prefer to use it for physical here and now questions. Mother-in-law issues, or kids driving you both crazy? Davison. Is a move going to affect our relationship? Davison. A third party invading our relationship? Davison to get the picture, and the midpoint chart to figure out why. We feel as if we’re coming apart at the seams, everything is dissolving. Midpoint. We’ve headed into a good patch in our relationship, how long will it last? Midpoint (and Davison if there are specific causes for the good vibes–new job, etc.)."


theinnerwheel.com/2012/04/18/composite-charts-etched-in-stone-or-sand/

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The Mark's Chart feels really internal to me. I can deeply relate to the chart and it's energy, yet it's bizarre because it's not energy I would produce in any other situation than this relationship. As a Sun in the 9th/Aqua Moon kinda gal, Cancer energy is the antithesis to who I am as a person. There's nothing BAD about it necessarily, it's just something I struggle to understand and channel even though I respect it. 

This is the Sun in my Mark's Chart with my bf: 



I deeply relate to it. I feel an inclination to baby him, to feed him, to make sure his health is good. I'm fascinated by his family, his lineage. I want to merge into him, reproduce with him - even though my rational mind knows I don't want to have kids! There are fated overtones that I feel emotionally between us, which I guess is where the NN comes in. I believe others can sense this energy from me, as can he.. as to whether it manifests, I don't think it does. He always feels resistant whenever I indulge in this energy too much. I always feel it's much more comfortable when I revert back to the original earthy, airy energy of my natal chart. 

This is the Sun in his Mark's Chart: 


I was really taken aback when I saw this. My bf is a pretty stoic, tight lipped guy so I would never assume that this is the sort of emotion I could produce in him. I guess he really adores me in some unspoken, obsessive, life-or-death kind of way that he doesn't share or express much with me. With Neptune, we have a really active dream life together. We went away to a resort for my birthday and when we both woke up the next day, we both had very similar dreams with each other in it. Spooky. Must be the Neptune/SN going on there. 

[lumina]

Jun 18, 2017 22:09:40 GMT athena said:

 I feel an inclination to baby him, to feed him, to make sure his health is good. I'm fascinated by his family, his lineage. I want to merge into him, reproduce with him 

It`s interesting how you put that, cause those are all actions, how you want to act on impulses (whereever they may come from). And family/ lineage is also a circumstance-thing, having to do with external sources. Though I think at some point it gets hairsplitting, cause usually emotional impulses will lead to some kind of activity, so to keep them strictly apart, might be counter-effective to analyzing. But so far it seems to me that the Davison chart is more "practical", more "manifesting" than just simply a "feeling chart".


But not sure about this either. or let`s say still investigating. 


Where does the Sun in your composite with the composite fall? 

[lumina]

Well the Davison is anchored in time and space, so the two coordinates that make the physical reality of charts, so it seems actually reasonable to assume that IF it means anything at all (still not convinced), it would describe the here and now reality of a couple, including the circumstances they live in or what they do together.

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Jun 18, 2017 22:16:21 GMT lumina said:

Jun 18, 2017 22:09:40 GMT athena said:

 I feel an inclination to baby him, to feed him, to make sure his health is good. I'm fascinated by his family, his lineage. I want to merge into him, reproduce with him 

It`s interesting how you put that, cause those are all actions, how you want to act on impulses (whereever they may come from). And family/ lineage is also a circumstance-thing, having to do with external sources. Though I think at some point it gets hairsplitting, cause usually emotional impulses will lead to some kind of activity, so to keep them strictly apart, might be counter-effective to analyzing. But so far it seems to me that the Davison chart is more "practical", more "manifesting" than just simply a "feeling chart".


But not sure about this either. or let`s say still investigating. 


Where does the Sun in your composite with the composite fall? 

That is true! Deep, compulsive feelings that lead to wanting to take action. Maybe it's question of one's natal on whether or not one chooses to act out on these impulses? My chart is very "control" based which might be why these stay in the "feeling" arena for me. 

Both pictures are the Davidson combos our of natals + the Mark's Chart!

In my Composite Mark's, that Cancer stellium falls into the 11th. Which is weird for me. We don't do much "group" activities together, we're more of a 5th house couple. Though we are very Aquarian together! 

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lumina , the explanation you pasted above is very helpful. The Marks chart seems to be similar to a composite of a natal with an event chart, which then reveals how a person experienced that event and their responses.

[lumina]

Yes, possibly. Though you can also make a Davison with an Event Chart.

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Ok! So again the difference between the davisons and composites apply.

Ah, this is a coincidence! My bf's marks chart has Sun conjunct SN on the 2nd house cusp, aspecting the Asc and Venus (Sun and chart ruler) closely. Trine Moon at 8.29 in 10th.

This seems like a lot of concentrated energy and deep engagement. How would the SN apply here - perhaps him feeling comfortable with the energy? Also Destinn at 8.04 in 12th.