Harmonic astrology - Rick levine

[lumina]

Ava

Have you Seen that?

www.youtube.com/live/h1Orihz4a9g?feature=shared

[Ava]

Thanks lumina. I must have watched part of it, because I see I've already liked the video.

Re-watching in double speed.

Was there something significant in there you wanted to discuss?

[lumina]

I actually haven`t watched it yet. lol Well I was trying to yesterday, but somehow must have fallen asleep and woke up right before it ended. I will try again. I did notice him putting a lot of emphasis on quintiles though, which I found interesting, for I do find this aspect series intriguing, and according to Paul Westran`s research quintiles, esp. between Sun and Venus, seemed to have featured pretty often at the start of relationship (not as much as conjunction or trine, and possibly opposition, but in frequency comparable to sextiles I think).

Well I was searching for 13th harmonic cause I was noticing this chart yesterday, and the google search suggested this video to me, no clue if it is even going to be mentioned. lol

[Ava]

Sept 28, 2023 5:36:27 GMT lumina said:

Well I was searching for 13th harmonic cause I was noticing this chart yesterday, and the google search suggested this video to me, no clue if it is even going to be mentioned. lol

He didn't really get into that. It's a great video, a little slow and boring in some parts because he's explaining the basics, but I appreciate how he lays out the history of astrology as we know it, and which astrologers get credit for developing harmonics (Kepler used minor aspects; Rudhyar was a musician and applied an understanding of harmonics to astrology without calling it "harmonics" - he revived Kepler's work; John Addy is the first to create harmonic charts; Rick's "astro-brother" Cochrane came up Vibrational Astrology.)

Cochrane is just a few weeks younger than Levine and it's interesting how he lays out the difference between their approaches and how that correlates to their signs. Levine is the Aries "gateway drug" to the topic, Cochrane is the Taurus fleshing things out.

Anyway, yes, I like the focus on quintiles. Levine said doing a reading without them is like doing a reading without Mars. Sure you can get away with it, but you're missing something important.

I like how he describes septiles as other-dimensional. My husband and I have strong 7th harmonic synastry.

In our 7th harmonic charts:

15 Virgo, my Chiron
20 Virgo, my NN
21 Virgo, his Jupiter-Uranus
22 Virgo, my Mars
24 Virgo, my ASC
24 Virgo, his sun

Edit: Checking some other charts, I see my best friend since childhood (more like a sister) has 22 Virgo SN, 21 Virgo Venus, 23 Pisces Neptune. That's pretty cool that our nodes align.

[lumina]

" It's a great video, a little slow and boring in some parts because he's explaining the basics, but I appreciate how he lays out the history of astrology as we know it, and which astrologers get credit for developing harmonics "
I agree completely.

"Anyway, yes, I like the focus on quintiles."
Me, too. I have an exact quintile between Moon and Mars, in the 5th harmonic chart it falls onto 25 Leo, and is trine Jupiter on 26 Sag, so I suppose there must be a 15th harmonic aspect between Jupiter and Moon and Mars.


Yes and it is insanely close, in the 15th harmonic chart
IC 14 Gemini
Moon 16 Gemini
Mars 17 Gemini
Jupiter 18 Gemini


IN fact, now that I look at it, my 15th harmonic chart is quite something. lol 
Whatever that means.   (for example that Moon-Mars - Jupiter trine Pluto on 16 Aqua and sextile Mercury on 15 Aries, one more harmonic chart with Mercury on the Jupiter/Pluto-mp, but anyway, I get distracted. lol) 



I like how he describes septiles as other-dimensional.
Me, too. 7th is pretty huge for me too with the Sun-Moon-conjunction in there (opposing Pluto).





In our 7th harmonic charts:



15 Virgo, my Chiron

20 Virgo, my NN

21 Virgo, his Jupiter-Uranus

22 Virgo, my Mars

24 Virgo, my ASC

24 Virgo, his sun


Crazy strong I`d say. Funny enough my NN is on 20 Virgo, but in the 5th harmonic chart. 


. That's pretty cool that our nodes align.
Absolutely. 


Apart from my Sun-Moon opposing Pluto in the 7th, I do find the Venus on the SN opposing Neptune, quite interesting and telling too. 

NN 11 Aqua
Neptune 9 Aqua

SN 11 Leo
Venus 12 Leo

Uranus 9 Taurus

Moon-Pluto AND Venus-Uranus-Neptune, 🍸🙈😅

[Ava]

Hi lumina,

I'm checking that "cheat sheet" for a reading on the 15th harmonic...

"Harmonic 15: A need to play and have enjoyable times. A strong need to work in way that is
not overly tedious and onerous. Enjoying surprises and discoveries, and an ability to fully enjoy
life by keeping alive a childlike sense of wonder and not feeling overly burdened by
responsibilities."

Does that fit? I suppose that since the 15th combines the trine and quintile, it's just oodles of good energy. Since in your case it's IC-moon-Mars-Jupiter, probably indicates a harmonious life at home? My 15th harmonic Mercury is @ 15 Sag.

"7th is pretty huge for me too with the Sun-Moon-conjunction in there (opposing Pluto)."

Amazing.

Well I didn't say much above about the "other-dimensional" stuff, but anyone who knows me has heard me puzzling about my connection with my husband, and "other dimensional" is just a convenient way to describe it. It's beyond me why we're even compatible at all, being so different in so many ways. I don't know if it matters or not but I have Mercury septile Neptune natally, and then in our regular composite, he and I have Mercury conjunct Neptune on the north node. Well Rick was saying the harmonic charts pick up themes that will be evident in other charts as well.

Mercury's opposing Neptune today, too.

"Apart from my Sun-Moon opposing Pluto in the 7th, I do find the Venus on the SN opposing Neptune, quite interesting and telling too."

It's really fascinating. Looks magical and mystical, really. I consider the nodes like manifesting portals, and if I think of some of your experiences, deeper engagements with actors even, in dreams and in person, that completely lines up. Something IS going on, in another dimension...but the nodes seem to pull it down to earth, like the magic comes down to earth. How's your 7th harmonic synastry with key people in your life?

Me with 7th harmonic ASC-NN-Mars might explain the strange ways I get into arguments without intending to. LOL (Oh and that's another one with an echo in my marriage, the composite has ASC conjunct Mars, too.)

Lately I've been arguing with someone online; I told you about this. The bloke (Englishman) has an interest in astrology so I have his birth details. We get into arguments in the strangest and stupidest ways ever. My 7th harmonic sun is tightly conjunct his 7th SN in Libra; I guess he's trying to dredge me up into the Aries realm, his NN, his boxing ring? lol (If signs even matter. Do they? That's a whole big can of worms.)

[lumina]

Ava


 since the 15th combines the trine and quintile, it's just oodles of good energy.
Think so too, yes it fits.


Since in your case it's IC-moon-Mars-Jupiter, probably indicates a harmonious life at home? 
Yes, fits, too. 




It's beyond me why we're even compatible at all, being so different in so many ways.
It also makes me wonder what compatibility even means. Or what makes people compatible, maybe it is not always similiartiy. And well I guess you can be compatible in some ways, and then not so much in others. 




 Well Rick was saying the harmonic charts pick up themes that will be evident in other charts as well.

I think so too. Mirroring effects are real. 


Mercury's opposing Neptune today, too.

Fits. 


but the nodes seem to pull it down to earth, like the magic comes down to earth.
Yes, exactly.


How's your 7th harmonic synastry with key people in your life?"
Not really delved into the synastry yet, but noticing something. Well I was starting with my middle brother actually, who has the Downsyndrome, I mean if otherworldly fits someone then him. Actually sometimes I suspect that he is at a complete loss at understanding how other people do NOT communicate or receive communication telepathically. Sometimes I do get the message, but not always, and so often he will respond to something that someone else in the family just was thinking, and I think he is not really understanding that for most people there is a difference in a purely mental communication and verbalizing it, which leaves him sometimes a bit confused about other people. At least that is how I explain it to myself. Anyway his 7th chart has a Kite configuration of 


Moon 18 Scorpio
Venus 22 Scorpio
Saturn 14 Scorpio

Neptune 15 Pisces (opposite Mars 15 Virgo)

Uranus 19 Cancer


And looking through other 7th harmonic charts I noticed that quite often there will be something coming up at around 17-19 Scorpio - Taurus. 

my other brother: 
Mars 19 Taurus (square Mercury 19 Leo and MOon 23 Aqua, Moon is trine Neptune on 23 Gem and sextile Pluto on 24 Aries). 


He also has a Venus-SN-conjunction like me, just his is on 7-8 Cap (conjunct my 7th harmonic Mars on 6 Cap). 


P has: 
Mars 17 Taurus
Ceres 19 Taurus 

(so one more similiarity to my youngest brother, not enough that they share that Sag-Moon, and the Pisces-ASC. lol)


R has
Sun 17 Taurus


So that of course leaves the question what is MY connection to that axis? 

Well my 7th harmonic has

Jupiter 18 Scorpio


That is all there is really (well it squares Chiron on 20 Leo), but well it is Jupiter, so that is kinda cool. 









Me with 7th harmonic ASC-NN-Mars might explain the strange ways I get into arguments without intending to. LOL 
LOL but then again you have the same configuration in 7th harmonic as I have it in my natal. interesting. And that English bloke is just nuts. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina,

"It also makes me wonder what compatibility even means. Or what makes people compatible, maybe it is not always similiartiy. And well I guess you can be compatible in some ways, and then not so much in others."

Right. I think what I was getting at with 7th harmonic synastry in romance are things that don't even make sense. Crushes that don't make sense. Things outside one's usual scope of interest, a fascination that seems to have a life of its own or come out of nowhere. Or maybe surprises (I think Levine said the 7th is Uranian), like someone does something we usually find annoying but when THEY do it, it's charming, for some odd reason. Acquired tastes, someone waking us up to our own appetites and preferences, or instilling them in us...that kinda thing. And then I think these are the things that elude even description sometimes, because we are confounded by it. "There's just something about them. I don't know."

" Well I was starting with my middle brother actually, who has the Downsyndrome, I mean if otherworldly fits someone then him."

I LOVE this. How beautiful, that his mind works like that and that he's with people who notice and understand. Then to have a 7th in the kite, matching that energy, is phenomenal.

There's a pattern with my children in the 7th, where my first two sons have their 7th harmonic suns conjunct in early Aries, and my younger two sons have an almost exact conjunction in late Taurus (less than half a degree orb). Apparently my daughter belongs in your family and circle of friends, though, because her 7th sun is 18 Scorpio (trine moon 16 Cancer).

"LOL but then again you have the same configuration in 7th harmonic as I have it in my natal. interesting."

It is! So what you can do directly, with your tropical chart, I can do....subconsciously? With spirit guides helping me even though I never saw them? Who knows.

[lumina]

Hi Ava


" (I think Levine said the 7th is Uranian),"
Interesting. I`d associate the 7th more with a Neptunian flavour, or maybe Uranus-Neptune as a combination.
Well both are transpersonal planets, so there definitely is an other-worldliness to them. 



"like someone does something we usually find annoying but when THEY do it, it's charming, for some odd reason"
Hmm, maybe, well maybe it is something different for everyone, for me the 7th is more about something very internal, but not necessarily opposite to our daily personality, just something more deep within.

Personally, speaking for myself, if I find something annoying, I find it annoying. No matter who does it. I get however that it might be different for someone else. Just for me, no matter how much I crush on someone or like someone, if they do something that generally would annoy me, it would also annoy me with them. I might just weigh it differently, like finding that behaviour still annoying, but the rest and the connectedness and the sympathy and other good things about them might outweigh it, so I won´t responding to it as annoyed or harsh as I might with other people, where there is not such a connection in place. 




. . And then I think these are the things that elude even description sometimes, because we are confounded by it."
Yes, that makes a lot of sense for me in terms of the 7th harmonic, also let`s not forget, it is an irrational number, there is always that tiny bit of rest that does not fit into the circle. Well we round the aspects up, but that is just an approximation with that aspect. I actually think the 7th harmonic might be the only harmonic that is THAT irregular, leaving that little rest (that we just treat as neglegible) 


just stumbled across this page here, by trying to reasearch if what I claim in the paragraph above is even true. lol (I think I read it somewhere, but was not completely sure - sometimes informatmion seems to reach me in 7th harmonic ways, it is just there, and I have no clue where it is from or if it is even founded in reality. lol but seems i was right about the irrational number.) That author links the aspect even to Neptune, as I thought of, but I have never come across this article before, so that is not where I got that idea or association from. 

"Of course, one may divide the circle by any prime number, but 7 is the only number that does not divide the circle evenly; it results in an irrational number (one that doesn’t repeat and goes on to infinity). It shares this trait with other mystical numbers like π (pi), and the Golden Ratio."


practicedignorance.wordpress.com/2020/05/06/decoding-septiles-astrological-aspects/


Also spotted this paragraph in the article 

"A more concrete example I’ll draw from a composite chart of a man and a woman in a romantic relationship. Their chart has 1st house Venus/Pisces biseptile 5th house Mars/Gemini. In a romantic relationship, Venus and Mars offer strong indications of attraction and compatibility of the relationship’s yin and yang energies. The biseptile indicates that the connection of their energies involves simultaneously a “spiritual compulsion” (Rudhyar) and a crossroads, a choice. The connection between their energies has a strong spiritual component that’s difficult to explain in earthly terms. As I know the couple, I see how the biseptile manifests; they have a difficult relationship logistically, so the biseptile is confronting them to let it go and recede to their earthly lives or to take a “leap of faith” to pursue their relationship, which is hard to understand in earthly terms."

Not totally the same, not happening in composite, but synastry, but actually my Mars is septile P`s Venus, and if anything the sheer existence of the connection between seems very "illogical".





"There's just something about them. I don't know."

Yes, exactly. However, in my case, that is usually my standard answer when I am asked about why I like someone, I can never narrow it down to this or that, it is always this sense of "there`s just something about them". Maybe I am operating more from my 7th harmonic chart than other people, at least in romantic scenarios? 


 LOVE this. How beautiful, that his mind works like that and that he's with people who notice and understand. Then to have a 7th in the kite, matching that energy, is phenomenal."
Yes, I thought that was pretty fitting. Also, that is not 7th harmonic, but I also find it intriguing to see how I have Neptune on the NN, my youngest brother has Neptune on the SN (Gemini/Cancer axis), and his son has Neptune on the SN (in Pisces, on my Jupiter and near his father`s Sun). My niece`doesn`t have the conjunction, however she has a partile trine between Neptune on 18 Pisces and NN on 17 Cancer. 

My middle brother doesn`t have a Neptune-Node connection (well except there is a semisquare, and it is fairly tight, with just 36 minutes of orb, so I am inclined to count it).
Neither of my parents has it, and my sister in law hasn`t such an aspect either, so it is really something that came into being with my brothers, me and my brother`s children. Just found that intriguing, though it doesn`t have anything to do with the 7th harmonic. sorry. 









There's a pattern with my children in the 7th, where my first two sons have their 7th harmonic suns conjunct in early Aries, and my younger two sons have an almost exact conjunction in late Taurus (less than half a degree orb). Apparently my daughter belongs in your family and circle of friends, though, because her 7th sun is 18 Scorpio (trine moon 16 Cancer).
This amazing though, the family groupings, don´t you think? And well you talk to me more about your daughter than any of your other children, so maybe that is another reason why. 



It is! So what you can do directly, with your tropical chart, I can do....subconsciously? With spirit guides helping me even though I never saw them? Who knows.
It is possible, though? 

[Ava]

Thanks lumina ,

"Interesting. I`d associate the 7th more with a Neptunian flavour, or maybe Uranus-Neptune as a combination.
Well both are transpersonal planets, so there definitely is an other-worldliness to them."

Checking the video again, yes that matches what Rick said, and he also addresses the fact that the septile is an irrational number (around the 9:00 minute mark). Then at 9:57 he says, "It [the septile] can be like an aha, like an invention being discovered, like lightning striking, it can have a Uranian flavor...Uranus, that kind of breakthrough...but it also can be like aliens, ghosts, goblins, mysterious things that don't fit into this three-dimensional world."

"Just for me, no matter how much I crush on someone or like someone, if they do something that generally would annoy me, it would also annoy me with them."

Oh I am so different, more wishy-washy I guess. Just thinking about it, a lot of it has to do with sound...I'm really sensitive to certain noises. I can't stand the sound of people cracking their knuckles. However if a guy can do that and modulate the sound a certain way or if his hands looked good while doing this (me with my Gem Mars) then I can imagine myself attracted. Maybe this was just altogether off the mark with septiles though, it's more just about noticeable subtleties and context. (Why is one man walking loudly annoying while another man making the same sound is attractive? Maybe the former is altogether too bombastic and the latter is usually too timid, but maybe that day he has more confidence or is fired up about something.)

"Not totally the same, not happening in composite, but synastry, but actually my Mars is septile P`s Venus, and if anything the sheer existence of the connection between seems very "illogical"."

I guess you could put it that way...though I don't see the connection as illogical, but natural, especially with your regular synastry. Maybe the element of physical attraction, the way it's consistently played with, hinted at, switching on at unexpected times, is in line with that. And I wonder if 7th harmonic transits to those elicit anything.

I have a 7th harmonic synastry conjunction with my middle child, my 7th Venus @ 16.05 Cap, his 7th Mars 16.02 Cap. I don't know what that corresponds to in our relationship except general cooperation and encouragement (Venus to Mars: "you got this.") All of my children have aspects to my 7th harmonic Venus: oldest son's Saturn @ 19 Cap is conjunct it; daughter's moon exactly opposes it; just mentioned my middle son plus he's got more; third son has Mercury @ 19 Cap, Mars @ 15 Aries, Neptune 15 Cancer; and my youngest has Saturn @ 15 Virgo.

Not suggesting my 7th Venus is like the keystone holding the family together in a 7th harmonic matrix, though my 7th moon is also @ 7 Cap and what my children all do have in common are planets or angles in the first half of Cap or Cancer.

1. (First child) ASC 5 Cap
2. (Second) ASC 8 Cancer, moon 16 Cancer
3. ASC 3 Cancer, Saturn 8 Cancer, Venus 11 Cancer, Mars 16 Cap
4. Neptune 15 Cancer
5. Venus 2 Cap

Harmonic charts are often splash charts so I'm finding it interesting the check the family for empty axes, no planets or points in those signs. In the 7th:

Husband: missing Gem/Sag axis
Me: missing Taurus/Scorpio
1. (First child again) no missing axis
2. missing Aries/Libra
3. missing Leo/Aqua
4. missing Virgo/Pisces
5. missing Aries/Libra

Therefore Cap/Cancer is the only axis we all have planets or points in, I can say this for sure because I just spent a silly amount of time on it (husband's Mars-Saturn @ 24 Cap, trine his Virgo sun-Jupiter-Uranus).

These are the kinds of posts I look back on and cringe about, when I know I was just drinking coffee, getting mentally hyperactive, and wasting time in the morning....but I AM curious. I see my father had 7th MC @ 9 Cap conjunct Saturn 5 Cap. Okay, cool, but get this, his 7th has a full moon right on my 7th nodes: his sun 19 Pisces, moon 18 Virgo (my NN 20 Virgo).

His sun conjunct Mars @ 25 Pisces. Stay with me, I have a point. His oldest son's 7th Mars @ 21 Pisces is conjunct that and his sun @ 17 Virgo opposes it. My brother's daughter, my niece, with whom I have a great connection, has her 7th sun @ 21 Pisces opposing her father's. So my niece's 7th sun is on my 7th SN, and this is a family line. (Discovering this with transiting 7th harmonic NN @ 24 Virgo today, tr 7th Mars 20 Pisces, pretty wild.)

It goes beyond this, Jupiter is heavily involved here, I'll spare you, but I did want to mention that my father's mother's 7th NN is 24 Virgo, conjunct Mars, in her noon chart (so I inherited this from my grandmother?). HER father's noon chart has the SN @ 28 Virgo conjunct the moon. His SN conjunct my youngest son's NN @ 29 Virgo. That's funny, my son has the same nodal axis with his great-great-grandfather, with a strong direct lineage of placements in that zone.

As for my other three grandparents, they all just have Pluto in 3rd decan Virgo in their noon charts, nothing else on the Virgo/Pisces axis. My mother's noon chart 7th Virgo/Pisces axis is empty (apart from IC/MC which doesn't count).

--> Before I leave that axis, I have to point out something I missed before, which is that my husband and I have a wide 7th harmonic Mercury-Mercury CONJUNCTION in Pisces. Mine @ 5.01 Pisces, his @ 12.38, just a smidgen out of the 7 degree orb.

"Neither of my parents has it, and my sister in law hasn`t such an aspect either, so it is really something that came into being with my brothers, me and my brother`s children. Just found that intriguing, though it doesn`t have anything to do with the 7th harmonic. sorry."

Well your mother has angular Pisces NN doesn't she? And I definitely count that semisquare, Rick Levine is stern that we should count them.

"And well you talk to me more about your daughter than any of your other children, so maybe that is another reason why."

True! Well her nodes are conjunct yours (her NN 8 Gem), her moon @ 6 Gem is on your draco moon, and more. Haha, she even looks more like you, you both have green eyes, lighter skin, lighter hair, pretty much the same exact (tall) height.

[Ava]

Sorry, on another thread I was talking about my four major relationships, three boyfriends then a husband. I was checking for stuff on that Virgo/Pisces axis in the 7th harmonic, also Aries/Libra since my 7th sun is there @ 20 Libra.

1. (First relationship) Noon chart sun @ 19 Virgo on my NN, in his yod with Venus @ 19 Aries at apex, Mars 17 Scorpio, Pluto 19 Scorpio. My sun creates a sort of boomerang yod by opposing his Venus.
2. Noon chart Saturn @ 24 Libra on my sun.
3. Actual chart SN 26 Virgo conjunct my NN, plus moon 7 Virgo, Venus 12 Virgo, Chiron 19 Virgo, Uranus 22 Pisces. I've always been confused this lasted four years.
4. Mentioned my husband's Virgo stellium including sun and Pisces Mercury.

Thing is, the NOVILE/9th harmonic/Navamsa is the marriage chart, and I consider draconics more of a family chart, but we're both seeing a 7th harmonic family pattern. What's that go along with...the way family habits or generational trauma or even romantic relationships just don't resolve themselves neatly, ever (like an irrational number never stops)? Like it says in the link you posted:

"Rudhyar interprets this irrationality as signifying that septiles cannot be 'completed' in earthly terms"...

Well I have to read more of that article.

Edit: I did technically have two other boyfriends (exclusive relationships, definite "labels" used) but they didn't really last. The first was yet another 7th harmonic Virgo sun (14 Virgo, opp Venus) and the second was a 7th Pisces sun @ 15 degrees.

And another really intense, short relationship, no labels. All 7th:

His sun in Libra like mine but not conjunct. His Mercury 19 Libra on my sun at the base of his own boomerang yod opposing 20 Aries Uranus, with Jupiter 21 Virgo sextile NN-MC-Pluto @ 17-19 Scorpio. There's more to this. But it "activates" that partile semisextile between my sun and NN in the 7th.

* Overall I think having one's planet at the base or apex of someone's boomerang yod is likely to take you on some kind of psychological journey you weren't planning or wanting to have. This fairly recently happened to a friend of mine, too.

Can you tell the moon's in Gemini today? I have even more to say but I'm leaving, promise.

[lumina]

Ava

not sure I will get to reply to everything, but I was reading your family patterns with intrigue. 
Curiously I do not feel overly talkative today, despite Tr Moon in Gemini, well we will also leave for our family trip in 2 days, the one that I don`t want to, also has been sort of pushed on me and me having to "play nice". I get it, I know it is important for my aunt, so I`ll do it, but really, on my own accord I absolutely would not have wanted that kind of trip (it is basically my aunt and my sister in law, having decided for this trip, and everyone else is just going along with it, well it is my aunt`s birthday, so I consider it a gift to her, but really I couldn`t be any less enthusiastic. lol On the other hand I do tend to view those trips as important, though I am usually not really looking forward to them, but honestly, given my parents are aging, who knows, how many opportunities like these they or we will have to do this as a family?)



 And I wonder if 7th harmonic transits to those elicit anything."
Yes, that is an interesting thought. 



Not suggesting my 7th Venus is like the keystone holding the family together in a 7th harmonic matrix, though my 7th moon is also @ 7 Cap and what my children all do have in common are planets or angles in the first half of Cap or Cancer.

Those patterns are just so fascinating, and def. worth exploring some more. 
Isn`t Venus ruling your IC? So it would make sense that she shows up hugely in family-patterns. 





Therefore Cap/Cancer is the only axis we all have planets or points in, I can say this for sure because I just spent a silly amount of time on it (husband's Mars-Saturn @ 24 Cap, trine his Virgo sun-Jupiter-Uranus).

And how fitting for a family axis! The Cap-Cancer I mean. 

As I said I read all of your pattern-finding with great interest and widening eyes, but cannot really say anything to those, except that this all seems so amazing. 




ell your mother has angular Pisces NN doesn't she?
Yes on her MC:



And I definitely count that semisquare, Rick Levine is stern that we should count them."
Oh good to know! I´ve been a bit intrigued with P and my synastry configuration of his Venus being semisquare to my Neptune and NN and to Jupiter on the other side, putting his Venus of course on my Jupiter/Neptune-mp and Jupiter/Node-mp, but I just found it interesting that there were underlying semisquares. 

And then there is his Pluto semisquare my Mars and ASC, which I found a bit curious, the event of his Pluto semisquare my Mars, and my NEptune semisquare his Venus. Hmm. 






"And well you talk to me more about your daughter than any of your other children, so maybe that is another reason why."



True! Well her nodes are conjunct yours (her NN 8 Gem), her moon @ 6 Gem is on your draco moon, and more. Haha, she even looks more like you, you both have green eyes, lighter skin, lighter hair, pretty much the same exact (tall) height.

LOL Astrology never fails!

[Ava]

Hi lumina

"I get it, I know it is important for my aunt, so I`ll do it, but really, on my own accord I absolutely would not have wanted that kind of trip"

I hope you have a nice time anyway? If possible? Maybe there will be surprises (or alcohol) to make it feel more worth it.

"Isn`t Venus ruling your IC? So it would make sense that she shows up hugely in family-patterns."

Yes, as far as I know. Interestingly, in the 7th harmonic, my father-in-law's noon-chart sun @ 14 Cap is on my Venus (16 Cap), tightly conjunct my mother's 7th sun @ 13 Cap. Then my mother-in-law's 7th Mercury @ 10 Cap...already mentioned my father's Saturn (5) conjunct MC (9)...basically all 4 of my children's grandparents fit that Cap/Cancer pattern, too.

Transiting 7th harmonic Pluto Rx is in mid-Cap now. That's the cool thing about outer planets and the nodes, at least in these lower harmonics, they don't move very fast, so you do have some degree of accuracy there, and they can probably mark out phases just like a regular transit.

Tr 7th Pluto Rx has been on my 7th Venus through September, and haven't I been acting the part? lol Actually for the upcoming eclipses 7th Pluto will be @ 15 Cap for both; in the lunar eclipse it's conjunct Jupiter @ 18 Cap, opp Venus @ 11 Cancer, Mercury 14 Cancer, Mars 19 Cancer. An eclipse day that's ALSO a septile day. Hmm!

"As I said I read all of your pattern-finding with great interest and widening eyes, but cannot really say anything to those, except that this all seems so amazing."

Thanks...well after yesterday I will probably be looking at 7th harmonic charts more often. If I remember. I have a bit of ADD - Astrologically Dumb Disorder.

"I´ve been a bit intrigued with P and my synastry configuration of his Venus being semisquare to my Neptune and NN and to Jupiter on the other side, putting his Venus of course on my Jupiter/Neptune-mp and Jupiter/Node-mp, but I just found it interesting that there were underlying semisquares."

I like that, too! Especially since Jupiter is dispositing most of your chart. And do you think of yourself as having Jupiter and Neptune in mutual reception? Anyway, I think it's nice for you to have P's Venus "mediating" that square, and it can't be too bad for him or...well he wouldn't be around. lol

I have Mars semisquare Saturn natally and that's annoying because of the planets involved. But I'd imagine a semisquare from Jupiter is like...slightly overdoing things. Semisquare from Neptune, just slightly airy-fairy and ambiguous.

"And then there is his Pluto semisquare my Mars and ASC, which I found a bit curious,"

Kind of a sexy "buzz" there...

"the event of his Pluto semisquare my Mars, and my NEptune semisquare his Venus. Hmm."

It's like your Mars is telling his Pluto to back off but your Neptune is telling his Venus to come on over, make yourself at home? lol