The Magic of Eclipses

[Ava]

I'm enjoying this lecture (on double speed...Maurice Fernandez does speak very slowly):



Eclipse tables, for reference:

cafeastrology.com/eclipsessolarlunar.html

[lumina]

Just See that the october Eclipse will Fall onto composite Mars-Node.
Ideas Ava?

[Ava]

Annular SOLAR Eclipse 2023 October 14 13:54:56 at 21 Libra 08

Chart
cafeastrology.com/2023-eclipse-charts.html

Not sure lumina, but don't eclipses go into effect beforehand? And the sun is almost squaring 21 Libra now. Maybe recent events factor into the overall eclipse story. New moon on composite north node does look like a potential redefining of the relationship, especially in relationship-focused Libra.

I had stopped talking to someone and thought it would be permanent, but then we resumed conversation after almost two years, about two months before a solar eclipse on our composite NN. As in your case, it was a south node eclipse. I guess there has been more clarity and open discussion of the past since then. Maybe that's what you two will have? Maybe you will hear what was really going through each other's minds in the past, things you thought you would never hear.

[12YearsABlob]

Jul 9, 2023 11:46:56 GMT Ava said:

Annular SOLAR Eclipse 2023 October 14 13:54:56 at 21 Libra 08

That's on my sun. Let's see what happens..

[12YearsABlob]

Jul 9, 2023 11:46:56 GMT Ava said:

I had stopped talking to someone and thought it would be permanent, but then we resumed conversation after almost two years, about two months before a solar eclipse on our composite NN. 

That's really good to hear. Is it a welcome change?

[lumina]

thanks Ava for your thoughts, as always we will see what it`s going to be.

Also additional thought, his Pluto is on 21 Libra, my Chiron is on 20 Aries. It can get a bit volatile at times. Well basically it means that the composite NN and Mars are falling onto his Pluto, when he even notices that.

I never really heard about the eclipses mainfest beforehand,w ell outside of a couple of days at least. But it would make sense to me, that an eclipse is being triggered when there are important transits going over the eclipse points. I think I once read that Tr Mars opens an eclipse (along with Tr Sun) and the Tr Saturn closes it, no matter how long it takes. I dont know if that is true though, but Tr Mars often has quite some trigger potential, and it seems that the eclipse degrees are very sensitive even raw spots that are very reactive when something touches them after an eclipse had happened. I made the experience iwht the lunar eclipse on 5 Sag I think it was. Very sensitive, but then it is also the degree of my natal Mars, so it is definitely a sensitive point for me. (Draco Moon on the other side on 6-7 Gemini of course).

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Ava and lumina , I noticed that you refer to transits to the composite. Any reason why one shouldn't check transits to the progressed composite for the eclipse date or are the transits already accounted for with the progressed version?

[Ava]

Jul 10, 2023 16:19:59 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Jul 9, 2023 11:46:56 GMT Ava said:

I had stopped talking to someone and thought it would be permanent, but then we resumed conversation after almost two years, about two months before a solar eclipse on our composite NN. 

That's really good to hear. Is it a welcome change?

I guess there was more to be said, but you know how it is, some relationships are a bit thorny and like Chinese finger traps: the more you try to leave, the tighter the trap gets.

Sometimes it takes a while for the lessons to even begin. 

[Ava]

Jul 10, 2023 20:35:17 GMT lumina said:

 I think I once read that Tr Mars opens an eclipse (along with Tr Sun) and the Tr Saturn closes it, no matter how long it takes.

Really? That's fascinating. Could you elaborate on that?

I noticed in the video above, Maurice Fernandez mentioned the last eclipse was conjunct Mars in the Jan 6th riot event chart. I got a little bored at that point because it seems such a tenuous connection to make, but what do I know?

If there is some kind of extra reason to look at Mars (and Saturn) while considering eclipses, I'd love to know it. As you know I'm already interested in Saturn-node conjunctions. If Saturn's on the node during an eclipse, would that mean all the business of that eclipse season is crammed into a shorter span of time, because Saturn closes it right away?



 

[Ava]

Jul 10, 2023 22:32:42 GMT @astrokeen said:

Ava and lumina , I noticed that you refer to transits to the composite. Any reason why one shouldn't check transits to the progressed composite for the eclipse date or are the transits already accounted for with the progressed version?

I would probably check that, especially if something is coming to a "head" in the progressed chart, like a new moon, full moon, or quarter moon. Because eclipses are tied to the nodes, I pay special attention to eclipses hitting composite nodes. They move very slowly so chances are that an eclipse on the regular composite nodes will also hit the progressed composite nodes.

In my own quirky way of analyzing things, if the eclipse is hitting the progressed composite stronger *and* the progressed composite has a strong theme at that time, like a perfecting square between slow-moving planets or a lunation, especially if these are hitting the individuals' natal or progressed charts, I would probably spend more time reading into that theme. Sometimes the layers just seem to pile up on their own (ie many planets falling on the same degrees), and the eclipse factors into that.

I know a couple with a composite yod with Saturn at the apex, and from the beginning I was saying look out for transits to that Saturn. They broke up after a lunar eclipse exactly on that Saturn. I didn't even check the progressed composite, it was straightforward enough with the composite alone.

[lumina]

Jul 11, 2023 0:59:13 GMT Ava said:

Jul 10, 2023 20:35:17 GMT lumina said:

 I think I once read that Tr Mars opens an eclipse (along with Tr Sun) and the Tr Saturn closes it, no matter how long it takes.

Really? That's fascinating. Could you elaborate on that?

I noticed in the video above, Maurice Fernandez mentioned the last eclipse was conjunct Mars in the Jan 6th riot event chart. I got a little bored at that point because it seems such a tenuous connection to make, but what do I know?

If there is some kind of extra reason to look at Mars (and Saturn) while considering eclipses, I'd love to know it. As you know I'm already interested in Saturn-node conjunctions. If Saturn's on the node during an eclipse, would that mean all the business of that eclipse season is crammed into a shorter span of time, because Saturn closes it right away?



 

I was referring to that quote: 

"An eclipse degree is sensitive for at least a year and may be triggered by major transits for three to four years. The transits of Mars and Saturn are most powerful as they cross an eclipsed degree. Mars will often stimulate and start dynamic events connected with an eclipse and Saturn will often bring the final conclusion. Mars frequently activates an eclipse, shortly following an eclipse, although though Saturn's transit may come much later. When an eclipse falls on a planet, any of the outer planet transits across the eclipse degree may bring important happenings penings in connection with the nature of the planet.



Celeste Teal. Predicting Events With Astrology (Kindle-Positionen3264-3267). Kindle-Version."


As far as I understand it, the eclipse degree is understood as the degree the Sun-Moon - conjunction/ opposition takes place, though Teal also places a great deal of importance to transits of (and to) the Nodes. 


So I suppose, if Tr Saturn is conjunct the eclipse degree, shortly after the eclipse takes place, then yes, there might be a faster conclusion. But I am not totally sure about it. I wish the author had elaborated on this more.

[lumina]

Actually on 11th october, Tr Mars will be on 29 Libra, crossing that eclipse degree JUST before the new eclipse will take place, wondering if there might be a cumulation of eclipse energy.


Or alternatively a couple of days prior, on 29th september, Tr Mars will be on 21 Libra, so crossing the eclipse degree of the new eclipse, though a few days prior to it taking place.

However just wondering if at least during those 2 weeks there will be more events than usual. also wondering if those two eclipses will be in play then simultaneous.

Tr Saturn will be far from crossing either eclipse degree at that point btw. will take up to 2027 I think, until it will cross those eclipse degrees.


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[lumina]

Jul 10, 2023 22:32:42 GMT @astrokeen said:

Ava and lumina , I noticed that you refer to transits to the composite. Any reason why one shouldn't check transits to the progressed composite for the eclipse date or are the transits already accounted for with the progressed version?

No reason to not check transits to the progressed (composite or any other chart). In fact I observed that the progressed chart seems to respond to transits just as acute as the natal chart. I just didn`t mention it in my post (nor did I check it, but I will do so, the pr composite is a bit colourful at the moment though. lol Along with lots of Uranus and Mars and energy, that probably doesn`t quite know where to go ). 

[Ava]

Thanks very much for that excerpt lumina.

Let's try and remember this thread when eclipse season rolls around again.

Looking at the eclipse tables, historically some of these were stronger for me than others, like the effects of the total solar eclipse exactly on my moon in 1997 were much more obvious to me than the one in 2016 (also exact). Both were south node eclipses. But in 1997, Mars Rx was tightly conjunct the NN in the eclipse chart. Mars was also at a critical degree of 29°55' Virgo. (Hypercritical since it's Virgo. No offense to Virgos, I love you for it.)

For both of those eclipses, Saturn still has not made a conjunction to the eclipse point. That happens next year in May. At that time, Mars will be on the NN (like it was in 1997!) in mid-Aries, conjunct my Jupiter and squaring my sun. I'm going to be pissed off about something, I just don't know what it will be. lol