Kepler College: Midpoint pictures in natal analysis

[Ava]

Many thanks to lumina who taught me about midpoints, how to find them at astro.com, and the "90° sort" described here.

To obtain your list of midpoints at astro.com, if you don't know, select "Ebertin style (w. midpoints" for the chart drawing style, then click the "PDF Additional tables" button at the top left of the chart. The 90 degree sort is last, or as they call it, Midpoints in 90 degree order.

This upcoming eclipse on April 20th has Pluto = sun/moon, just a bit intense.

In my location I'm also seeing these exact midpoint pictures. I've included modalities in case anyone else gets confused by the 90 degree list, like I used to at the beginning. I can do math but the whole concept was foreign to me so that takes a minute to click.


ASC = Uranus/Pluto @ 84° (24° mutable)
Mars = sun/Neptune @ 13° (13° cardinal)
Uranus = Venus/ Jupiter and Saturn/Pluto @ 47° (17° fixed)
Neptune = Venus/Mars @ 86° (26° mutable)
Mean node = Mercury/Jupiter @ 34° (4° fixed)

Less exact but interesting:

Jupiter @ 23° = Venus/Saturn and Uranus/Neptune @ 22° (22-23° cardinal)
Saturn @ 64° = Mars/Jupiter @ 63° (3-4° mutable)
Mean node @ 34°= Venus/Neptune @ 33° (3° fixed)
Mean node = Jupiter/Uranus @ 35° (5° fixed)

Speaking for myself the nodes and all those midpoints are squaring my poor little Mercury, which is squaring Scorpio Uranus natally, and Scorpio Uranus is like opening your closet door and a zombie jumps out, I mean just when you thought you could chill out and have a good time some disgusting tragedy accosts you for no good reason. They say that's where Uranus is exalted. I think whoever came up with that has a sick mind. Only half kidding. 

[lumina]

Ava

Interesting what you write about Uranus.

I have a slightly different experience with IT. I mean IT hast been delivering surprises, maybe even shocking in the Sense they rattled my preconceptions of Something, Challenging to very swiftly adapt to new circumstances, but for me IT hast never brought tragedies or loss or pain, at least so far, lets Hope IT stays that way. But mainly those surprising even slightly shocking Moments Always gad a Sense of exhilarstion, excitenwnt, Liberation to them. Separation too but in the Sense of leaving Something behind to embrace the new, so even that felt exciting and fresh.

I Wonder why Uranus manifests so different for me than IT does to you. Maybe for you ITS more strongly infused with the Saturnian severety of Life?

While for me its Not Making many aspects ibthink. Sits in 11th House cusp though. And actually IT might BE sesisquare Saturn, but Not Sure how right. Ist dies seem to BE a but of an Antidote to my iverly paranoid stuffy Saturn though.

[lumina]

Also I thought it was intriguing that I have my Sun/Jupiter-mp on 3.34 Aqua, and (he who shall not be named in public anymore. lol) has his Sun/Jupiter-mp on 3.34 Scorpio. 

Well too far from my n Uranus I guess, however it means that our Sun/Jupiters are triggered by the same stuff at the same time, and well when there`s fun, it`s really fun and good vibes. 

Interestingly I have my Mercury/Jupiter on 3.08 Aqua and he has his Mercury/Saturn on 3.03 Scorpio - so there is a difference there. And obviously Scorpio has darker overtones than Aqua on its own. So I guess it is more fun to me. lol 


But I am intrigued by these little details, still well my natal Uranus opposes my Moon/Saturn-mp within a degree, but I think it makes sense, at least in the sense of it delivering some thunderbolt and crashing in between the too detached and overanalytical emotional processing as well as the stuffy "keep the doors closed" Saturn I have. But at the same time I feel like this is something I need from time to time, that kick in my proverbial emotionally repressed butt, you know? 

[lumina]

have just started watching the video, well Kathy Rose is a great astrologer. Also the book she recommends, it is AMAZING. I really love that one too, it helps making those midpoint analysis applicable and it sort of increases or deepens the understanding of aspectfigures, as well. Really love it, just wanting to say that. lol

[lumina]

2 degree orbs is more what I have heard or read about before, but I definitely can see that, esp. in terms of midpoints with the luminaries. Well in this instance my Uranus would actually be on the midpoint (well squaring it) of my Mercury/Jupiter, who wouldn`t want that? interestingly Mercury and Jupiter rule my ASC and DESC, so hmm, yeah, I guess if a friendship, connection relationship of mine should work, there needs to be a bit of an Uranian vibe, too, there also need other things, but that kind of spark, freedom, space, openness to fluctuations, it seems important for any "relationship" of mine to work.

[lumina]

BTW the closes midpoint I have with the AP, in my case with 00 Cap, is Mercury/Venus at 00°35 Cap and then Sun/Venus at 1°02 Cap.
I think it makes a lot of sense, and is descriptive of my love and affinity for anything artistical, esp. in terms of the performing arts and using words, in the broadest sense.

[Ava]

Apr 5, 2023 16:31:41 GMT lumina said:

I have a slightly different experience with IT. I mean IT hast been delivering surprises, maybe even shocking in the Sense they rattled my preconceptions of Something, Challenging to very swiftly adapt to new circumstances, but for me IT hast never brought tragedies or loss or pain, at least so far, lets Hope IT stays that way.

Maybe because it's in my 4th house?

Will write more later...

[Ava]

lumina

1. About synastry:

When two people have the same midpoints conjunct, opposing, or square, it does seems to enhance that energy between them, doesn't it? Especially where they are conjunct. Thanks for your examples, I think they illustrate the principle quite well.

Now I'm also wondering if similar midpoints create a resonance. You have Uranus = moon/Saturn, I have moon = Uranus/Saturn. Any thoughts? Does that book you and Kathy Rose both recommended have much to say about synastry, and if so, did this come up?

2. About midpoint prominence on the AP

I love that example. Well you always come across as kind, and that works for Mercury/Venus and sun/Venus.

I am more outspoken and I have sun/Mars on the AP (0°54 Aries). My ex also has this in Libra if using a 2° orb. It might apply to simple physical fitness or the appearance of it. But then I also have sun/Neptune (29°16 Sag) and moon/Pluto (29°57 Sag) there...as Kathy Rose said, the midpoints match themes in the natal chart:

Sun/Mars matches my sun square Aries Jupiter and quincunx Mars
Sun/Neptune matches my sun sextile Pisces moon
Moon/Pluto matches 8H moon trine Scorpio NN

3. Scorpio Uranus

"I have a slightly different experience with IT. I mean IT hast been delivering surprises, maybe even shocking in the Sense they rattled my preconceptions of Something, Challenging to very swiftly adapt to new circumstances, but for me IT hast never brought tragedies or loss or pain, at least so far, lets Hope IT stays that way."

I guess that may be how it actually is, but as I regard Scorpio as a dark sign, I just put all my unpleasant surprises under that umbrella. Everyone has unpleasant surprises but perhaps for me with that as the higher octave of Mercury I started almost reading life through those. Very keyed into dark potentialities, as you know (but that's Uranus squaring my Mercury).

Anyway I just mentioned that as a side note and it's not really on topic.

[anela]

Apr 5, 2023 12:44:54 GMT Ava said:

and Scorpio Uranus is like opening your closet door and a zombie jumps out, I mean just when you thought you could chill out and have a good time some disgusting tragedy accosts you for no good reason. They say that's where Uranus is exalted. I think whoever came up with that has a sick mind. Only half kidding. 

This is only my entire life. Not kidding. This is exactly what I’ve been talking about. It’s conjunct my ascendant, from the 12th. Inconjunct moon, Venus and SN. trine mars in pisces. Opposed ceres, Chiron, and sun. 

I will never forget meeting the sociopath that my mum got engaged to right away, and moved us in with him. She could tell that I didn’t like or trust him, and told me as an adult, that she should have paid attention.  My life is never settled for long. Nasty surprises all around. 

[anela]

Uranus was conjunct my ceres, Chiron, sun, when mum went into the hospital. It was conjunct again, when her aneurysm burst, and she died. When we finally started to relax.
Uranus conjunct my mars, wasn’t all bad, but my dad did end up in the hospital, and initially wasn’t long after my BIL hit on me, and started everything with him.

There’s a lot, throughout my life, but I’m just feeling a bit better, after having bad vertigo. I don’t want to think about all of it. But that sociopath almost took my mum from me, the one I mentioned before, when I was six/seven. When Pluto was opposing my Aries from the 12th. Pluto is also a lifelong thing, hasn’t left me alone for long. In fact, not only did one of the previous fiancés almost kill me, and maybe I should have just been gone. I don’t know. But he tried to take my mother from me, two weeks later.  He asked to see her, she actually went to see this fucker, and he told her that he wanted to marry her, but couldn’t be a father to us girls. He wanted her to send us to my dad, over here.  Or just ditch us on someone else, so that she could be with him. 

the main midpoint that stands out to me, is my moon, Venus and SN conjunct my sun/Saturn and Mercury /Saturn midpoint.  A hesitancy and a practicality, and I loathe cookbook astrology being applied to Gemini planets.  It’s just gross. And yet I could still be peppy. Really damned cheerful, and really sweet. Quiet, unless I was feeling chatty. I can’t believe I used to be peppy. It’s just been wrung out of me. 

also, my sister’s sun on my Jupiter/Pluto midpoint. She wanted to erase me. For my sexual harasser. So that he could replace me in the family, since I didn’t want to be around him. 

Mercury, sun/Venus is close to sun/moon and sun/Venus for obvious reasons.  
Moon/Jupiter and venus/Jupiter are my descendant. 
Moon-Venus/mars is conjunct my psyche. Mercury/Jupiter squares Saturn.  Anything that should be cheerful is dampened. 
Mercury/Neptune conjunct my IC.
Moon /Uranus and Venus/Uranus conjunct my MC. 
Venus/ascendant is two degrees conjunct my MC. 
Venus/Pluto square my ascendant. 
Venus/MC opposes my sister’s sun by two degrees and is opposed the Jupiter-Pluto midpoint.
Mars/Pluto conjunct my mum’s Mercury and around my dad’s ascendant. 
Jupiter/ascendant conjunct my sister’s Mercury.
Saturn/Pluto conjunct my Eros.
Saturn/Neptune around part of fortune 
Uranus/Pluto opposed my Mercury.
Neptune/mc square Saturn.
Pluto/ascendant opposed Mercury.

[lumina]

Ava



"When two people have the same midpoints conjunct, opposing, or square, it does seems to enhance that energy between them, doesn't it?"
I think so.
Well David Cochrane spoke about the direct midpoints lined up (partile conjunct or opposite) being very important.
I can see how the square would figure in as well though. And yeah, Mercury/Pluto conjunct each other in synastry (and sextile in the composite), makes sense, as well as the Mercury/Venus-mps conjunct each other, albeit a bit widely, around 2 degrees, but coming up with the composite Mercury/Venus being partile on each native`s Mercury/Venus, so that makes sense too. 

Both charts having Venus-Pluto-square natally,a nd here the Mercury/Pluto AND Mercury/Venus -mps lining up, possibly, just hypothetically, the Venus-Pluto-dynamic being "channelled" through Mercury? Or maybe it is just a coincidence, but just noticed that.












Now I'm also wondering if similar midpoints create a resonance. You have Uranus = moon/Saturn, I have moon = Uranus/Saturn. Any thoughts?
No thoughts that are "speakable", really, but yes I do think there is a resonance there, though possibly it will manifest a little differently? Not sure. 

I also think there is some kind of resonance in another synastry where his Mercury is conjunct Sun/Uranus-mp while my Mercury is conjunct Moon/Uranus-mp in our respective natals, I think it does give a bit of a similiarity or complementary approach to humour possibly? 







Does that book you and Kathy Rose both recommended have much to say about synastry, and if so, did this come up?
No, unfortunately not. And well I looked it up on amazon, the prices of it shot through the roof it seems, I remember I have bought it for much much less money. 





I love that example. Well you always come across as kind, and that works for Mercury/Venus and sun/Venus.

Thanks.




I am more outspoken and I have sun/Mars on the AP (0°54 Aries).
Yeah makes sense, and also I think in terms of comparing our midpoint-patterns, it creates possibly a resonance, you having Sun/Mars, me having Sun/Venus there. 


As for Uranus in Scorpio, well yeah, I agree, Scorpio being a dark sign, however Uranus spent so much time in that sign, I doubt that everything dark can be attributed to that Uranus alone. however for you, you have Mercury in Aqua and DESC in Aqua, so that Uranus is ruling your Mercury, plus it squares it, so I could imagine it to be more prominent as in other charts. On the other hand it also disposits my Moon, and I still had a different experience with uranus, but possibly it helps not having Uranus square a personal planet, and of course it is different to have it in the 4th house, I have it in the 11th house and I surely experienced my fair share of upheavel and even dark stuff/ death in social groups/ larger friends circles. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina,

"I have it in the 11th house and I surely experienced my fair share of upheavel and even dark stuff/ death in social groups/ larger friends circles."

Oh yes. I see that.

"Well David Cochrane spoke about the direct midpoints lined up (partile conjunct or opposite) being very important.
I can see how the square would figure in as well though. And yeah, Mercury/Pluto conjunct each other in synastry (and sextile in the composite), makes sense, as well as the Mercury/Venus-mps conjunct each other, albeit a bit widely, around 2 degrees, but coming up with the composite Mercury/Venus being partile on each native`s Mercury/Venus, so that makes sense too."

Sweet (Mercury/Venus) with underlying meaning and depth (Mercury/Pluto).

My ex and I have Pluto = Mercury/Mars all tightly conjunct each other. Matches stony silence but then again with Mercury trine Mercury and Mars trine Mars underlying that, getting right to the point again always led to deeper harmony (Libra Pluto). I mean what's the point of arguing when there is a stronger baseline understanding.

"I also think there is some kind of resonance in another synastry where his Mercury is conjunct Sun/Uranus-mp while my Mercury is conjunct Moon/Uranus-mp in our respective natals, I think it does give a bit of a similiarity or complementary approach to humour possibly?"

Yes, apparently so! And I just like that.

There's also a lot to be said for draconics (that could be my signature here).

[lumina]

Hi Ava


"Sweet (Mercury/Venus) with underlying meaning and depth (Mercury/Pluto)."
In good phases. Yes. 😊
First meeting chart has a Moon-Pluto-conjunction on 0-1 Cap, and Draco composite Moon is at 2 Cancer, so there seems some arrow to that point. 





My ex and I have Pluto = Mercury/Mars all tightly conjunct each other.
Intense. Even the silence speaks volumes and acutely. 



Mercury trine Mercury and Mars trine Mars underlying that"
That is something I have been wondering or pondering about, how the underlying aspect that makes the midpoint might make for differences in manifestation of the same midpoint picture. Definitely nicer to have trines there than squares, esp. with a midpoint that contains Pluto and Mars. 



 I mean what's the point of arguing when there is a stronger baseline understanding.
Yes.


Yes, apparently so! And I just like that."
Me, too. Well his Mercury is falling onto my Neptune-NN-ASC configuration and my Mercury is conjunct his Sun-Moon-MC. So there is always more than just one thing I guess. They are not exactly conjunct however, excpet his Mercury on my Neptune-NN is. 





There's also a lot to be said for draconics (that could be my signature here)."
Definitely, yes, though I havent´really looked up the draconic midpoints in detail, but I think I remember that his Draco Mars-Jupiter-conjunction falls onto or very close to my Draco Venus/Mars-mp, I kind of found that... hilarious and intriguing. 

[Ava]

lumina ,

"First meeting chart has a Moon-Pluto-conjunction on 0-1 Cap, and Draco composite Moon is at 2 Cancer, so there seems some arrow to that point."

Very interesting. Almost makes me wonder if people should try to meet someone they might like when there is something major happening on an Aries Point (or, conversely, avoid people they might not like, around those times). I'm thinking of how I met my husband right around the spring equinox and then married him a year later on the equinox. Well I've mentioned my AP midpoints above (sun/Mars; sun/Neptune; moon/Pluto). He's got Mercury/Neptune and Neptune/Pluto there, the so-called supernatural midpoint (though I have no idea who came up with that.) Of course it was supernatural that I came into his life. Kidding.

Well the circumstances were strange alright.

Anyway I became infatuated with him very suddenly, and I know the date. Back then he had a perfect progressed yod with pr moon @ 0° Aries on the apex.

"Intense. Even the silence speaks volumes and acutely."

Yes well at least after a certain point we figured things out enough to know there is always going to be mostly silence, and we need to talk about that to try and ensure there aren't too many hard feelings within the silence.

Btw I am actually silent most of the time with most people in my life. I mean that Pluto = Mercury/Mars is in my 3H, and Mars is retrograde in Gemini, and natal Mercury is in shadow (progressed Mercury has been in shadow my entire life so far). Pluto is on the exact solstice point of my shy 8H Pisces moon. I don't reach out very well.

"That is something I have been wondering or pondering about, how the underlying aspect that makes the midpoint might make for differences in manifestation of the same midpoint picture. Definitely nicer to have trines there than squares, esp. with a midpoint that contains Pluto and Mars."

Yes I think so. Some midpoints might feel edgy and defensive because of the underlying aspect, while others are more like harmonious hot spots, like a little music box plays if you touch them. That might present an opportunity for healing? Where one person can donate good energy to someone else's problem area.

"Me, too. Well his Mercury is falling onto my Neptune-NN-ASC"

So he can say things that line up with what you are just naturally sensing, like his expressions are what you are just naturally looking for?

"Definitely, yes, though I havent´really looked up the draconic midpoints in detail, but I think I remember that his Draco Mars-Jupiter-conjunction falls onto or very close to my Draco Venus/Mars-mp, I kind of found that... hilarious and intriguing."

It is! But you're just getting started. lol

It's a bit difficult to sort through alllll the midpoints and then add draconic midpoints to an already overwhelming pile (but I have sun square Jupiter, so I just go for it.) Actually it's more like walking the beach with a metal detector, you're not going to find every little valuable thing but you will pick up some things if you look. My draconic Venus/Pluto midpoint @ 20° Pisces is less than 2° from my natal moon, and experience has shown that it's a sensitive midpoint, like let's just say someone's tropical sun opposes that, maybe they would elicit a Venus/Pluto type response. Maybe.

[lumina]

Ava,



"Very interesting. Almost makes me wonder if people should try to meet someone they might like when there is something major happening on an Aries Point (or, conversely, avoid people they might not like, around those times)."
Maybe. Though I did not intend for us to meet that evening.
Nothing could have been further from my mind up until to when it happened. He also had his lunar Return just a ocuple of hours before, and for me my progressed first quarter Moon had just perfected (29 Cap - 29 Aries) and pr Sun was actually right on the verge of progressing into 00 Aqua. He was having a precise progressed Sun-Venus-conjunction, I was having an exact progressed Jupiter-Juno-conjunction, and well exact pr Mercury-Venus-conjunction partile conjunct my natal Moon plus the pr AVX fell there. It was interesting. 

But all of that is hindsight. Nope, did not plan this at all, but since it happened then, I guess the astrological configuration is sort of descriptive of the meeting. 

Obviously we met many times after that, but I noticed that at least for the first years after, there always seemed to be something triggering that axis and the first meeting charts Moon (and Draco composite Moon), often enough it was tr Moon itself. Well I have since then stopped looking so I don´t know if that is still the case. 


Actually since my Mercury turned retrograde it will conjunct my n Moon eventually again, and I am curious what will be then. Though obviously pr Venus won`t be part of the equation anymore.
On the other hand pr Moon and pr Sun will be around there, too, not exactly when pr Mercury will be on n Moon, they will all have their own "peak"-moments, but when the pr New Moon happens (21 Aqua in 2029), at that time pr Mercury (retro) will be on 15 Aqua, so it will have passed my n Moon, pr Sun, pr Moon already somewhen before. and pr Sun will have been conjunct my natal Moon before that too, I suppose around 2024-2025. And there will have been a pr Sun-pr Mercury-conjunction too. 


Actually for a timeline for only these meeting times in Aquarius: 

pr Sun conjunct n Moon (17 Aqua): 29th march 2025

pr Moon conjunct n Sun (25 Sag) 12th april 2025

pr Mercury conjunct pr Sun (18 Aqua): january 2027

pr Mercury conjunct n Moon (17 Aqua): august 2028

pr Moon conjunct pr Mercury (16 Aqua): june 2029

pr Moon conjunct n Moon (17 Aqua): july 2029

pr Moon conjunct pr Sun (21 Aqua): december 2029


Well there will be other progressions at play too of course, but just thought that it was interesting having these luminary ones coming up. 





I'm thinking of how I met my husband right around the spring equinox and then married him a year later on the equinox.
So symbolic and fitting, for starting a new life. 





Well I've mentioned my AP midpoints above (sun/Mars; sun/Neptune; moon/Pluto). He's got Mercury/Neptune and Neptune/Pluto there, the so-called supernatural midpoint (though I have no idea who came up with that.)
I think Noel Tyl came up with that term. 
And of course you are supernatural in his life. A blessing and a challenge at the same time to expand his horizons. 




 Back then he had a perfect progressed yod with pr moon @ 0° Aries on the apex.

Astrology works!


and we need to talk about that to try and ensure there aren't too many hard feelings within the silence.

Yes that is important I think. 





Btw I am actually silent most of the time with most people in my life. I mean that Pluto = Mercury/Mars is in my 3H, and Mars is retrograde in Gemini, and natal Mercury is in shadow (progressed Mercury has been in shadow my entire life so far). Pluto is on the exact solstice point of my shy 8H Pisces moon. I don't reach out very well.
It`s worth it waiting for you to communicate though, you really engage in communication when you do show up, and that is something that cannot be said about many people, at least not with the level of involvement you show, at least this is how I experience it. 
I think your natal Moon might be conjunct my pr Jupiter at the moment? And it is in my 3rd house. 
Well my pr Jupiter is a bit moving away from your natal Moon, but it IS as it seems on your Draco Venus/Pluto-mp.
And I pester you with that unwelcome vampire stuff all the time. 😅Sorry. 




Yes I think so. Some midpoints might feel edgy and defensive because of the underlying aspect, while others are more like harmonious hot spots, like a little music box plays if you touch them. That might present an opportunity for healing? Where one person can donate good energy to someone else's problem area.

Sounds very reasonable to me, yes, I could see that. 




So he can say things that line up with what you are just naturally sensing, like his expressions are what you are just naturally looking for?"
On good days - yes. On other days we probably just miss each other`s point. a conflict between verbal and nonverbal communication. I mean Mercury rules his 3rd house, Neptune rules mine. There are great opportunities in that, great chances of intuitive understanding, but at the same time of course also the opposite, really missing the point. I mean my Neptune squares his Mars-Jupiter. the dispositors of our Suns are in Pisces (mine) and Virgo (his) respectively and closely opposing each other. I guess I am sometimes just weird and baffling to him.
And he is sometimes just overemphasizing stuff that I would never even guess might be important to anyone (like the  correct wording or grammar of something, and it should be me being like this, I am the teacher here, but I am so completely casual about some of these things, languagewise, as for me it is more important to deliver the meaning, even if the grammar is not perfectly correct, and he seems to be always so aware of his flaws in ortography and grammar and putting so much importance on it, that makes me just shake my head almost and wondering why does he care so much about that? The form is not that important, the inside and meaning is. But he wants to get it all right, at least sometimes, or well maybe he also wants to get it right BECAUSE I am a teacher, I don´t know. It just doesn´t bother me at all, but he points it out as a shortcoming of his repeatedly. I definitely can see the difference between Mercury and Neptune in that).




It is! But you're just getting started. lol

lol

True, actually just a minutes ago I was wondering why I was feeling so "strange". NOt a bad kind of strange, just.... intense, good kind of intense, but anyway, looked the transits up. seems Tr Sun is conjunct Tr Jupiter today, and both are doing so on my n Chiron (not really explaining the good kind of intense energy feeling. lol) but at the same time my Draco Sun/Venus and Draco Mercury/Venus-mps are there, 20 - 21 Aries, so I guess that might be why. 


It's a bit difficult to sort through alllll the midpoints and then add draconic midpoints to an already overwhelming pile (
Yes, absolutely. 

But well I mistakenly deleted the bit where you mentiond your Dr Venus/Pluto mp, and yes I can see that, how transits or synastry aspects to your natal Moon will also trigger the DRaconic response in the midpoint. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina

Your progressions in Aqua look exciting...you'll have sun, moon and Mercury in a stellium around your natal moon? Will tr Pluto be close to that by then though? Also I think it's cool we are progressed moon phase twins, almost. My pr new moon happens right around the same time as yours (exact in early January, 2030).

Interesting to read your analysis of communication with him, it all makes sense, but it seems to me more yin and yang than that, where he might seem primarily focused on grammar (Virgo Jupiter) while you are attuned to the whole message itself (Pisces Jupiter)...yet there is that smaller kernel where he is the one focused on the larger message (communicating all kinds of messages, all kinds of ways, both personally and professionally) and then as you said, you are the actual grammar teacher. There is a kind of compensating for each other's perceived weaknesses which is really nice. And like I said it's just the beginning.

Weirdly my husband (Virgo Jupiter) insists he doesn't know grammar either and will ask me the most basic questions with a straight face. "You're the English major, so tell me, what's a noun?" ROFL

Thanks very much for what you wrote about my communication, I suspect my Mercury really is conjunct the DSC, and that accounts for some of it. Then again pretty much all of my friends communicate the same way, with deeper involvement, regardless of Mercury placement.

"Tr Sun is conjunct Tr Jupiter today, and both are doing so on my n Chiron (not really explaining the good kind of intense energy feeling. lol) but at the same time my Draco Sun/Venus and Draco Mercury/Venus-mps are there, 20 - 21 Aries, so I guess that might be why."

I actually experienced some keen feelings of dread out of nowhere this morning, and while I can be gloomy and pessimistic, that is really not like me. Maybe the common theme for both of us is just, sun-Jupiter magnifying intuition or a feeling that something is going on just outside our awareness? The draco conjunction's @ 17 Pisces, exact tomorrow I believe.

Edit:

We just got an automated call saying our son's college went into lockdown today, and students were told to shelter in place or "hide." The call was giving instructions about how to obtain counseling in the aftermath. My son studies online and the event turned out to be just some kind of false alarm, but the weirdness matches transiting draco sun-Jupiter conjunct my draco Uranus and tropical moon. I'm actually having a lot of surprises lately.

[lumina]

Ava


"you'll have sun, moon and Mercury in a stellium around your natal moon?"
Yes.

"Will tr Pluto be close to that by then though?"
No, not yet.
In 2029 Tr Pluto will still be at around 9-10 Aqua, but to be honest I am not particularly looking forward to having Pluto transit my natal Moon. I mean i was actually faring pretty well with Tr Pluto on my natal Sun (and curiously crossed path with P during the pass, and also stumbled into LL, and whatever bad was happening there, too, but one thing can be said for both cases, they were influencing my path in life quite profoundly). But anyway I was scared of the pass of Pluto over my Sun, but luckily everyone including my Dad and also me, made it through that transit okay, healthwise in particular which is whaat I had been fearing, but we are all older now, much older, so not really looking forward to the conjunction to my Moon (though like my Sun my Moon is not having extremely challenging aspects, except perhaps the quinkunx to Saturn of course. Actually both luminaries are somewhat isolated blocks in my chart). 

Tr Pluto will come close to my Moon in 2033, and then exactly conjunct it in 2034, and I don`t quite want to look too deep into this (though I noticed that Tr Neptune will square my Saturn, and I will have a Saturn Return, so that alone is enough to fill me with a dreadful feeling, though I am aware of course that it does not necessarily have to mean sickness and death, but could be more positive, but well you know, considering my age and the age of my parents by then, I am worried, but however this is 10 years into the future, so who knows? Dreadful stuff might happen in between too, even before that, or otherwise just make the best of the next 10 years until it strikes, and then again, I was so scared of the Pluto -Sun transit, and it also was accompanied by the huge hitters like, just taking place appr. 2 years after my first Saturn Return, and when the exact hits happened in 2006, that year I was also having Tr Neptune conjunct Moon and quinkunx Saturn, Tr Uranus conjunct Jupiter and square Neptune-Node, Tr Saturn moving into an opposition to Moon that summer, stuff like that. And the Tr NN was moving from Aries into Pisces that year too. So long babbling aside, I guess it`s no use to get overly paranoid for I cannot really say how it will manifest, just probably that something big will manifest.)





Also I think it's cool we are progressed moon phase twins, almost. My pr new moon happens right around the same time as yours (exact in early January, 2030).
That is really very close in time, Amazing!



There is a kind of compensating for each other's perceived weaknesses which is really nice.
Yes, it often seems like it.


"And like I said it's just the beginning. "
Haha, and you even know how long we`ve been knowing each other, or let`s say, crossing each other`s path. 





Weirdly my husband (Virgo Jupiter) insists he doesn't know grammar either and will ask me the most basic questions with a straight face. "You're the English major, so tell me, what's a noun?" ROFL

ROFL




Thanks very much for what you wrote about my communication, I suspect my Mercury really is conjunct the DSC, and that accounts for some of it. Then again pretty much all of my friends communicate the same way, with deeper involvement, regardless of Mercury placement.

They might have other stuff compensating for it. For example the tightest midpoint in my chart is Moon square Mercury/Pluto, I guess it sais something. lol



We just got an automated call saying our son's college went into lockdown today, and students were told to shelter in place or "hide."

EEK that is so scary!!!!!
At the school I am partly working at there was a false amok warning last december, which I totally missed, as it was on one of my "off" days, but how creepy. 

I am just relieved that it was a false alarm for your son´s school too, and that he was safe anyway, studying online and probably at home I guess. Still what a scare!!!!

but the weirdness matches transiting draco sun-Jupiter conjunct my draco Uranus and tropical moon. I'm actually having a lot of surprises lately."
Yeah that def. matches. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina

"So long babbling aside, I guess it`s no use to get overly paranoid for I cannot really say how it will manifest, just probably that something big will manifest."

I agree. I do believe some astrologers have a high level of accuracy with predictions, like Grant Lewi is said to have predicted his own death. The more morbid something is, the less I want to predict anything, though. Regardless, there have been patterns I can't help noticing, like tr Saturn on my sun both times resulted in a major loss.

Speaking of the dark side, I'm sorry you had an alarm at your school, too. These days that must be terrifying for students.

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A little more about midpoints, yesterday was supposed to be good, with the sun-Jupiter conjunction. But several things were going wrong here, like both my son and daughter had to shell out a lot of money for repairs, and that seemed to come out of nowhere. As I said, we're having many surprises.

The transiting NN was on the sun-Jupiter/Uranus midpoint. NN = sun/Uranus and NN = Jupiter/Uranus.

Venus @ 0 Gem trine Pluto @ 0 Aqua, that was another reason yesterday was supposed to be good. But the transiting moon entered Cap and squared the Venus/Pluto mp @ 0 Aries.

"They might have other stuff compensating for it. For example the tightest midpoint in my chart is Moon square Mercury/Pluto, I guess it sais something. lol"

Ahhh, and this all hits my Scorpio mean node = Aqua sun/moon mp.

The video above says node = sun/moon is some kind of special thing, some razzledazzle about making an impact, but she didn't specify mean or true node. I only have that with mean node. She must have meant true node. lol

[lumina]

Hi Ava

"like Grant Lewi is said to have predicted his own death."
*shudders*

The more morbid something is, the less I want to predict anything, though."
Same is true for me, I really don´t want to know this or predict this. 




Regardless, there have been patterns I can't help noticing, like tr Saturn on my sun both times resulted in a major loss."
Sometimes maybe it helps being warned of certain patterns, though it can also open the door to fears and worries that might not help anyone, either the things that we dread may not come to pass, or if they do, what does it help, worrying years in advance? 

Well I looked up when Tr Saturn was conjunct my Sun, I can only really remember the last time, and that was in april 2017; I had a tremendous time actually. Well it`s been the last time I was in London, saw Jude Law on stage in the play "Obsession" and from there pretty much drove right to a concert, where I was handed back a caketin from stage, I had left on a workshop some weeks before that, so all in all I can say, I was having a great time. Also watching my nephew`s development first hand, who was about 8-9 months that time, well as I said, I was having a terrific time. But my solar return that year was also interesting, including a Moon-Venus-opposition from Leo to Aqua (albeit in 12th house, but it did not seem to spoil anything). And I think Saturn was making a rather stable trine to Uranus I think? Not sure, I would have to look it up. But yeah the years 2016-2018 with a dash of 2019 were pretty good all in all. esp. 2017 - 2018. So weird how i was hving a better time with Tr Saturn on my Sun than Tr Jupiter transiting there. lol


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A little more about midpoints, yesterday was supposed to be good, with the sun-Jupiter conjunction. But several things were going wrong here, like both my son and daughter had to shell out a lot of money for repairs, and that seemed to come out of nowhere. As I said, we're having many surprises."
Sorry to hear that. HOpe it is not too much. 
Well I actually was having a lovely day, and that Sun-Jupiter was conjunct my Chiron (20 Aries), weird, right? 





The transiting NN was on the sun-Jupiter/Uranus midpoint. NN = sun/Uranus and NN = Jupiter/Uranus.

Wow that definitely is a theme there! 

Well Tr NN was some time ago trine my Venus on 6 Cap, maybe it was still felt a little. 
Might be interesting too, once it opposes Uranus on 1 scorpio, my solar arc Jupiter is on 00 Taurus too, but well we never know if the surprise will be good or bad I suppose. Or maybe the surprise will be that nothing will happen at all. lol


Actually in my Lunar Return from July this year Tr NN will be on 1 Taurus, exact opposing my n Uranus. Hmm. This LR takes place just about 3 days before leaving to a trip for an extended summer musical visit, and also meeting some people of that group I`ve been communicating with (you know whom I am talking about); well I scheduled some performances before the others will arrive, just well I wanted at least a little time to myself.  

But that LR looks interesting actually. 

LR ASC on 3 Aqua is very close to the composite ASC on 1 Aqua. 

There will also be my natal Mars conjunct the LR MC on 3 Sag, and there will be a widish Venus-Mars-conjunction on 23-27 Leo in 7th house. HOwever there ALSO Will be Saturn on my pr Venus exact and squaring my natal ASC by 4 minutes or so, so it probably will suck. lol 

LR Sun will also be exactly conjunct my pr Saturn. Interesting. So m uch Saturn there. 


Within that Lunar Return itself Tr Saturn will not make too many challenging aspects, actually the only aspect I see is a trine to Tr Juno on 7 Cancer, conjunct my Draconic Juno on 6 Cancer, which is in so far interesting as the tighest aspect in my own natal chart is a trine between Juno and Saturn (16 Pisces - 16 Cancer). 

And Chiron returns. *sighs* just a couple minutes away from the exact conjunction to my natal Chiron. NO clue this Lunar Return looks really like combining some really promising and some really possibly challenging features. At least it might be interesting to see how this will play out in july. 

Anyway still some months until then.










Venus @ 0 Gem trine Pluto @ 0 Aqua, that was another reason yesterday was supposed to be good. But the transiting moon entered Cap and squared the Venus/Pluto mp @ 0 Aries.

probably intense. 

Anyway I can`t say anthing bad, as mentioned I had a really nice day, visiting a Dutch village, a family trip, and conversing a little with my extended family. 😉 But all in a nice easygoing way, more matching the Air sign background than the planetary combo itself. 





The video above says node = sun/moon is some kind of special thing, some razzledazzle about making an impact, but she didn't specify mean or true node. I only have that with mean node. She must have meant true node. lol
Don`t know. I just consider true node usually. however I can also see how that is true for you, of course you are making an impact! You just don`t see it yourself, which possibly is part of why you are so impactful. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina,

"So weird how i was hving a better time with Tr Saturn on my Sun than Tr Jupiter transiting there. lol"

Seriously. (Saturn word.)

"But that LR looks interesting actually."

Yes, I agree. Ah, so nice to have something to look forward to, even with Saturn in the mix. While we're on the topic, did you check your pr midpoint pictures for that time?

"You just don`t see it yourself, which possibly is part of why you are so impactful."

Well if it's true node, that observation doesn't apply to me, but thank you anyway. I would think sun/moon square nodes is just flat-out uncomfortable.

So glad you had a good time with your family. Nice match for sun-Jupiter in your 4th house I think?