ALGOL in Composite charts

[adreena]

There's some information on Algol on the web that talks about Algol in Natal chart placements but couldn't find any info on Algol in the composites. (got interested in it after seeing an astrologer talking about Algol on Amber Heard's and Johnny Depp's Venus) 

In this composite (attached) I see Algol in the 4th in Taurus, would this be a bad placement. Saying that, it trines Sun Mercury and Venus so it's well aspected but its close to the end degree of the sign. 

However, in a progressed composite Algol is in their 3rd and it's squaring Sun and Mercury and trining Saturn. 
How would you navigate the meaning of Algol in these 2 charts above? 

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[Ava]

Hi adreena

This past lunar eclipse on May 16th @ 25 Scorpio hit Algol. If something negative happened, I supposed my first thought would be "this eclipse squared pr comp Mercury" and then if there was any obvious reason to incorporate Algol, I would.

Also transiting Mercury stationed direct on Algol today.

[t5]

adreena

There's some information on Algol on the web that talks about Algol in Natal chart placements but couldn't find any info on Algol in the composites

What you have found about Algol in Natal chart placements also applies to Composite charts ... because the latter are analysed, interpreted and synthesised in exactly the same way as individual natal charts.


However, in "Planets in Composite", Robert Hand advises :-

1. The most important thing to keep in mind in delineating a Composite chart is that you are working with two or more people rather than an individual, so you must adjust the house meaning accordingly. For example, in a conventional natal chart, the 10th house rules one's status in society, one's career and one's purpose in life. But in the Composite chart, the 10th house shows the status of the relationship and it's purpose in existing. It is hard to relate the issue of "career" to a relationship unless it happens to be a business or professional one. In the other houses also, some of the issues are difficult to relate to a composite chart simply because a relationship is not the same kind of entity as an individual. [t5 note : Although RH specifically refers here to houses, the comment applies to all astrological indicators in Composite charts.]

2. There are always two midpoints, exactly opposite each other, for any given pair of planets. The near midpoint is the stronger one, and therefore used for the Composite chart. However, the far midpoint also has some effect, and this increases as the two arcs approach 180 degrees (which happens when the planets from the two birth charts are in opposition to each other). Therefore, when reading the description of any composite planet in a house, it is a good idea to read it in terms of the opposite house as well. And, if the two arcs are near 180 degrees, it is essential to take both houses into consideration.

In this composite (attached) I see Algol in the 4th in Taurus, would this be a bad placement. Saying that, it trines Sun Mercury and Venus so it's well aspected but its close to the end degree of the sign.

If Algol signifies "losing one's head", the trines would make it easier/more likely for the chart owner to do so. And, I guess Taurus (the sign of personal-values-and-self-worth) + 4th house (of psychological foundations) is also difficult placement for Algol. 

How would you navigate the meaning of Algol in these 2 charts above?

This depends upon whether or not those natal trines DO make it easier for either chart-owner to instinctively/habitually lose his/her head. If yes, the progressed squares make that behaviour less easier - thus providing a mechanism/opportunity to develop more self-control. ... So, to outside observers, the relationship would appear to become less volatile.

[adreena]

Ava

from what I gather nothing happened between them but they parted ways around the recent eclipse on the 30th of April, they are still in touch however as they cannot let go of each other (didn't end up meeting in the end but nearly).
Their chart fascinates me because of that packed 12th in Capricorn (which, I think, is what makes the bond so strong) and then that Progressed Sun and Venus in the 1st in Pisces

t5

What would Algol in the composite 1st house Taurus signify? (Square Jupiter in the 11th and trine Neptune in the 9th)?

Thank you

[t5]

adreena

What would Algol in the composite 1st house Taurus signify? (Square Jupiter in the 11th and trine Neptune in the 9th)?

Hot-headed Algol in stubbornly impulsive Taurus/1st, exacerbated by Jupiter (in house of social relationships) and inclined to misunderstandings (Neptune in 9th). ... "Part in haste, and repent at leisure"?

[adreena]

t5 Just looked at their progressed composite chart (Placidus) and there are 4th and 10th house intercepted, now it makes more sense since they haven't met mainly due to lack of financial/psychological foundations post pandemic (4th) so that has been a barrier seen in the interception I reckon + both felt the need to focus on their respective careers (10th). There was also something with emotional expression that was in a way I think

10th house in Sag with Mars in it, opposing moon in the 4th in Gemini intercepted

Ahh this is so fascinating !

I read that "Intercepted houses are indicative of failures of completing lessons and missions from previous lives that have been carried over to your present life" would you say that's the case with composites too?

[adreena]

that's the couple with 12th house stellium ^ (having 4th/10th interception in the progressed midpoint composite with ref.place)

[adreena]

If I put his city as ref place midpoint prog composite the interception is there in 4th/10th but if I put ref place midpoint prog composite where she lives its no longer there. he's actually coming to visit European cities and her location in October through his work, these astro puzzles are like a detective's work

[t5]

adreena

I read that "Intercepted houses are indicative of failures of completing lessons and missions from previous lives that have been carried over to your present life" would you say that's the case with composites too?

Yes. The composite "natal chart of a relationship" is read in exactly the same way as the natal chart of an individual. So, what you have read applies to both composite and individual charts.

However, bear in mind that what is carried over from the past life to the current life may ALSO include a new problem/issue - created specifically by the consequences of failing to follow the intended soul-path in the previous life. ... For example, my natal chart has intercepted signs (and duplicated houses) which stem from the failure in a past life to experience being a husband, father and grandfather - because (having been jilted at the altar by his bride-to-be) the young man chose to enter a monastery - where he remained for the rest of that incarnation. ... However, in the monastery, this well-educated son of wealthy parents was perceived to "lack humility" and was beaten by the other inhabitants whenever he spoke (thus "openly demonstrating/displaying his arrogance/lack of humility"). ... Hence, I entered my current life/incarnation with "an acute fear of public speaking" as a NEW issue that is depicted by my natal Sun-Chiron conjunction in Scorpio/3rd.

[t5]

Jun 4, 2022 19:01:00 GMT adreena said:

If I put his city as ref place midpoint prog composite the interception is there in 4th/10th but if I put ref place midpoint prog composite where she lives its no longer there. he's actually coming to visit European cities and her location in October through his work, these astro puzzles are like a detective's work

What signs and house cusps are duplicated in the chart that has intercepted signs?

[adreena]

Jun 5, 2022 7:01:45 GMT t5 said:

Jun 4, 2022 19:01:00 GMT adreena said:

If I put his city as ref place midpoint prog composite the interception is there in 4th/10th but if I put ref place midpoint prog composite where she lives its no longer there. he's actually coming to visit European cities and her location in October through his work, these astro puzzles are like a detective's work

What signs and house cusps are duplicated in the chart that has intercepted signs?

t5 that's something that really fascinates me too - what are we to learn in this incarnation- I would love to learn more about karmic meaning of natal chart and composite chart, what to look out for etc that's super fascinating to me

For intercepted signs - I posted that progressed composite midpoint method ref place just now, one that shows 4th and 10th 

[t5]

adreena

For intercepted signs - I posted that progressed composite midpoint method ref place just now, one that shows 4th and 10th

I cannot find/see where you have posted this progressed chart.

[adreena]

I added it to my first post and deleted previous chart - replaced with progressed placid with 4th/10th intercepted

[adreena]

its the 2nd from the left, larger picture one t5
hope it loads ok

[t5]

Jun 5, 2022 15:21:27 GMT adreena said:

its the 2nd from the left, larger picture one t5
hope it loads ok

In that chart ... Pisces, Sun + Venus are intercepted in 1st house; Virgo is intercepted in 7th house; Gemini is duplicated on the cusps of 4th + 5th ("trapping" the Moon) and Sagittarius is duplicated on the cusps of 10th + 11th ("trapping" Mars).

So ... "An issue in the 4th + 10th houses (involving Moon and Mars) is adversely affecting the 5th + 11th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the most effective use being made of Pisces, Sun, Venus and Virgo."

Are these two people from different cultures ... perhaps with the place/location of this chart having a culture that could cause this interception issue to manifest? 

[adreena]

t5

Oh gosh, this all sounds so complicated. Many things at play here. So until the issues of 4th and 10th are resolved the 'couple' might not be able to manifest the relationship (1st and 7th) in real life?
Sounds like the energy of that composite is 'locked'. Wonder if they ever meet

[adreena]

t5 yes they are from different places, one lives in Europe and one in Canada - maybe if they meet in a different place in the world these interceptions will be easier to handle

[t5]

Jun 5, 2022 16:31:21 GMT adreena said:

t5

Oh gosh, this all sounds so complicated. Many things at play here. So until the issues of 4th and 10th are resolved the 'couple' might not be able to manifest the relationship (1st and 7th) in real life?
Sounds like the energy of that composite is 'locked'. Wonder if they ever meet

My guess is the 4th-10th issue is that progressed Moon-Mars opposition ... which Robert Hand asserts "can be a very explosive aspect in a composite chart. it is an indication of anger and hostility breaking out, which can transform any kind of relationship into open warfare. The question is, do you want to be friends or/and lovers? Or do you want to be competitors or/and enemies? If the energies of this aspect are given free rein, you are more likely to be the latter. ... You will not have to worry about repressing your feelings when you ought to express them. The problem is to make the expression creative, so that it can help the two of you grow, instead of just being a destructive outburst. ... (However), some people have a great deal of difficulty expressing anger or hostility in any form, even if the relationship tends to trigger it. If you are one of those people, you must learn to express your feelings. ... Expressing your real feelings is essential with this aspect. Simply try to keep it under control."

So, if (say) one partner (or both) finds it difficult to express anger/hostility (perhaps due to cultural conditioning), that would adversely affect their ability to maintain 5th/11th house relationships. And, their inability to maintain relationships would prevent them from most-effectively "expressing their true self (Sun) and personal values (Venus) in intimate relationships (Pisces/1st + Virgo/7th)".

[adreena]

t5 well said, since this opposition is in their progressed, once it passes/plays out it will be hopefully resolved but looking at their composite there's moon square Saturn aspect so that would also add to the flavour = not feeling understood in the relationship emotionally - I believe squares can be worked through more easily though, especially with Saturn. I would imagine with Uranus that would have been more unstable and chaotic, abrupt and on and off. Looking at their natal placements and aspects to those (Mars / Uranus ) would probably give a better picture of how they handle it, maturity level etc

Nothing is guaranteed even with the best composite out there, transits can destroy the connection (not to mention real life non astrology related individual behaviours) but I do see Saturn playing a big role overall in 'braving through the storm' part

I always thought that, in order for the couple to stay together long term, they have to have at least one or two solid placements within the 7th and 8th composite houses, but I'm learning by looking at charts that that's not always the case and is not a guarantee of longevity

[adreena]

oh and just noticed they also have moon square neptune so a lot of potential fog and misunderstanding of intentions