Yod in composite chart

[Ava]

Dramatic article:

astrologyexplored.net/home/?p=611

For example....

When Shakespeare said in Midsummer Night’s Dream “the course of true love never runs smooth” he could have been talking about a relationship with a Yod in the Composite chart. The stakes are high for both individuals since the words “What God has put together let no man put asunder” are never truer. Should the relationship fail to stabilize and became permanent one or both of the participants will be seriously and sometimes irreparably heart broken. One or both could be dogged by feelings of failure that could poison future relationships. Rarely does either party escape without a wound to their soul or a serious bruise to their ego. But it seems in terms of attaining intense romantic love, the fated nature of the Composite chart containing a Yod makes it one of the best bets around.

Ringing in Scorpio season with this.  

[lumina]

Ah, yes, I´ve stumbled across this one a couple of years ago. IT was a really colourful read, definitely satisfied my romantic-drama-heart . 

Thanks for bringing it up here Ava

Yods are intriguing for sure. Also if the orbs are tight, there will be some interesting midpoint picture emerging. 
Also yods feel different than one legged inconjuncts for sure. 

The article itself while satisfying my Shakespearean inclination to romantic drama, well, I don`t think it is quite like that in real life, or not all the time, but The Yod certainly holds some mysterious intrigue which might make people want to come together to "figure it out". 

[lumina]

BTW ther eis a mistake in the article. The Yod of Newman and Woodward does not inclue Venus but is rather made by Mercury, Uranus and Neptune.

They do have a very interesting Neptune anyway, as they share a DW of Neptune opposing Moon. So this comes up in the composite of course again, and is a major theme betwen them. I think that it was a good thing for them they had a) stable synastry that just went well together in a realistic way (yes I am talking about SAturn) and b) the Mercury-Uranus-sextile was sort of giving access to "creative solutions/ communications", if things might have gone too vague.

Also for moviestars Moon-Neptune might add to the glamour factor.

It is a boomerang Yod here, and it comes with Moon = Neptune = Mercury/Uranus


AS you can see the author used such tight orbs that the midpoint pictures will be there as well, and I believe that strengthens the flow of energy.

[lumina]

Ava

do you have Yods in the composite with significant people in your life?

[Ava]

Thanks for your thoughts lumina,

I always forget astro.com uses 3° orb for the quincunx:
www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm

Is that really standard? I thought it was smaller.

"AS you can see the author used such tight orbs that the midpoint pictures will be there as well, and I believe that strengthens the flow of energy."

I agree tight orbs would strengthen the yod...not sure Woodward/Newman composite qualifies?

26.50 Leo Neptune
28.48 Cap Mercury
29.16 Pisces Uranus

[lumina]

Well, orbs are a matter of preference in astrology it seems.

Anyway, I think the orbs of the Woodward/Newman composite are fairly tight, though not exact. Still I would count it. The midpoint picture is out of orb though. But Moon is definitely on the Mercury/Uranus-mp. Who knows? maybe it was a good thing that Neptune was not too tightly intervowen in that Yod.

[Ava]

Oct 26, 2020 19:11:50 GMT lumina said:

Ava

do you have Yods in the composite with significant people in your life?

Good question 👍

We were talking about yods in synastry on another thread, so I was researching that, but bumped into this. 

Checking composites with people in my astrodatabank, I see this weird family pattern...(I know, who cares? lol). But I have a yod in composite with each of my parents, plus my firstborn. 

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I have Jupiter in Taurus as the apex of a composite yod with my ex; Libra Pluto and Sag Mercury are the base planets. Jupiter is on the midpoint. How would you interpret that one?

Edit: I think we never figured out what we were about, it's like Mercury sextile Pluto could have gotten to the bottom of things, but Jupiter introduced too many "things" into the equation. 

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Do you have yods in your composites?

[Ava]

Elvis & Priscilla have a composite yod:

17.53 Libra Jupiter (Conjunct 20 Libra south node), 10th house
17.03 Pisces Mercury, 3rd house (widely conjunct sun and Venus, "love stellium") 3rd house
20.04 Taurus Uranus, 5th house

So, with a yod, does the point opposite the apex tend to be a sore spot? Here, Jupiter in the 10th, his career got in the way of their home life together (4th house).

This comes to mind, too:

In his search for a "higher state of consciousness" Presley became fascinated with the occult and metaphysical phenomena. During his spiritual quest everyone around them saw Presley's personality change dramatically from vibrant and playful, to passive and introverted. Presley went through a period of celibacy, in keeping with the teachings of an Indian guru. "He was going through a cleansing period, physically and spiritually... He loved me and deeply wanted to be faithful to me but never felt certain that he could resist temptation. It was a persistent battle, and it even got to the point where he felt he had to resist me." For the next few weeks, Elvis felt the need to withdraw himself from the temptations of sex. He said, "We have to control our desires so they don't control us. If we can control sex, then we can master all other desires." When they were in bed, "he took his usual dose of sleeping pills, handed me mine, and then, fighting off drowsiness from the pills, pored over his metaphysical books." Priscilla was not interested, and recalled Elvis saying "Things will never work out between us, Cilla, because you don't show any interest in me or my philosophies."

When this phase of his life passed, she and Elvis had a bonfire and burned the stacks of magazines and books he had accumulated on the subject. They tried marijuana during this time, but did not like it as it made them ravenously hungry. Although Presley abhorred street drugs, Priscilla tells how they used LSD. While they both thought it had been an "extraordinary experience," they were afraid of it and experimented that one time only.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_and_Me

So learning (Jupiter) was a struggle; she tried going with the flow, fighting against the flow (book burning), and re-thinking it again. I think after he died, she understood where he was coming from better.

Composite Mercury sextile Uranus...and weird learning culminated in that crisis. 

[lumina]

Oct 26, 2020 22:29:00 GMT Ava said:

Oct 26, 2020 19:11:50 GMT lumina said:

I have Jupiter in Taurus as the apex of a composite yod with my ex; Libra Pluto and Sag Mercury are the base planets. Jupiter is on the midpoint. How would you interpret that one?

Edit: I think we never figured out what we were about, it's like Mercury sextile Pluto could have gotten to the bottom of things, but Jupiter introduced too many "things" into the equation. 

There is a whole book on Yods (and unaspected planets) by Karen Hamaker Zondag. I have it on my kindle, but have to reread it again.

Anyway, in huber astrology the Yod is called a "learning triangle" and I think that makes actually sense. The three planets inv olved in the yod, are all of different modalities and elements, and in fact there is only one element missing, that of the point opposite the apex.

Personally I might hypothize that the midpoint of that sextile, is a point of "integration", a focus of that basic sextile (integration is not always easy of course), usually it is not occupied by a planet though, but if it is, it might be important, actually it is called a Boomerang Yod.

However, at the same time the planet at the Apex pulls into the oposite direction, it introduces something very new (which could be intriguing and fascinating or just too uncomfortable and confusing), so I think that the people in question, while of course not losing their basis, do not have the luxury of staying there at the nice basic sextile which promises potential and support, an area that could work smoothly between them (not in the way of a trine of course), while the basic assets are still there, there is the apex planet nagging them to go beyond that, look to the other side, incorporate something new.

In your case I think Jupiter in Taurus is the clue (esp. the signbackground). Expansive yes, but also, seeking stability and warmth and maybe not only the deep psychological bonding or understanding, but bringing a nice physicality into it, not just processing things with the mind, but with all senses.

Well in my composite there are only Yods with asteroids, though there are quite some. I would need to have to look fclosely, but there is also a Yod of the Mercury-Neptune sextile Pluto (17/ 15 Sag - 15 Libra) to EROS on the IC (15-16 Taurus).

Uranus is on 12 Scorpio, it is not quite on the midpoint of the sextile, however I think it must be mentioned, as it is conjunct MC and opposing Eros-IC for sure.

Just mentioning this one cause it curiously is in the same signs as the yod you mentioned.

[Ava]

Ah, thank you again lumina

"There is a whole book on Yods (and unaspected planets) by Karen Hamaker Zondag. I have it on my kindle, but have to reread it again."

I looked up the book...
books.google.com/books/about/The_Yod_Book.html?id=A5hIV1dyts0C

'Found this in the review:

"A yod is formed when two planets that are sextile also form an inconjunct to another planet. These planets are in different signs and modes and are deeply significant, for they usually symbolize patterns in families that have lasted for generations. "

Not seeing any yods in the natal charts in my family but like I said, they're in the composites. I watched a video where the woman said a "true yod" has Pluto at the apex, because yods are essentially Plutonian. My father's composite with his mother has Pluto at the apex (I wrote and deleted that before...but if yods are hereditary, now I think it's more relevant.)

Anyway

"Anyway, in huber astrology the Yod is called a "learning triangle" and I think that makes actually sense. The three planets inv olved in the yod, are all of different modalities and elements, and in fact there is only one element missing, that of the point opposite the apex."

Interesting! I heard Rick Levine refer to a Pythagorean triangle as a "learning triangle" before...maybe a coincidence. Or error that I'm making. Pretty sure he did call it that, though.

"Personally I might hypothize that the midpoint of that sextile, is a point of "integration", a focus of that basic sextile (integration is not always easy of course), usually it is not occupied by a planet though, but if it is, it might be important, actually it is called a Boomerang Yod."

Thanks for pointing that out. Well in my case, with my ex, Venus opposes Jupiter, so it's a boomerang. (LOL, does that literally imply we keep going back to the same person over and over?)

"In your case I think Jupiter in Taurus is the clue (esp. the signbackground). Expansive yes, but also, seeking stability and warmth and maybe not only the deep psychological bonding or understanding, but bringing a nice physicality into it, not just processing things with the mind, but with all senses."

That's exactly how it was...I mean, I never would have known what we were about, if we never got physical. But that was never simple. *Staring off into the dark night* ...Well he just had something else in mind, for what he wanted in life. 
 
"Well in my composite there are only Yods with asteroids, though there are quite some. I would need to have to look fclosely, but there is also a Yod of the Mercury-Neptune sextile Pluto (17/ 15 Sag - 15 Libra) to EROS on the IC (15-16 Taurus)."

Ha, well if JUPITER in Taurus has some physical work to do...err, a different kind of manual labor, imagine Eros. Imagine it with all the force of Mercury-Neptune sextile Pluto...?

Nah, didn't think you'd want to. These apex planets/things are complicated.

[aaa]

Hi everyone, im new here and a beginner id love to hear your thoughts on this composite yod..

Apex moon Cancer in 7th house
Sun capricorn in house 1
Mars and neptune in sagittarius 12 house

[Ava]

Welcome aaa

In order for this yod to exist, all planets must be very close to cusp degrees. Is that the case?

For instance, is Mars-Neptune near 0° Sag, sun near 0° Aqua, moon near 0° Cancer?

Thanks

[aaa]

Hi, Thanx for the quick response:)

Sun in 18° 52' Aquarius
Moon in 18° 36' Cancer
Mars in 19° 46' Sagittarius
Neptune in 23° 11' Sagittarius

What do you think?

[Ava]

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Oh, okay, sun's in Aqua, not Cap.

My impression is, the couple may find it easy to cooperate (sun sextile Mars) and they have a good intuitive sense between them (Mars conjunct Neptune). The Cancer moon at the apex of a yod and domicile in its own sign suggests emotional extremes and possibly some instability. It could be a case where things go so well, the relationship starts to become more high-maintenance than either person expected. Cancer moon energy can be needy or high stakes: the rewards can be deeply gratifying, but the effort needs to be consistent.

Might seem strange if people who are adventuresome and independent on the one hand also manage to generate drama accidentally.

Just my guess....

[aaa]

Thank-you Ava, it was so refreshing to read your interpretation. Some serious food for thought.
Thanks so much😊

[Ava]

My pleasure aaa. If this is your composite and you have some thoughts on your experiences, I'd love to hear them.

[geminiblues]

Synastries aren't a pleasure cruise either