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Post by geminiblues on Oct 24, 2020 5:16:12 GMT
I'm going to give you the charts for myself and my ex-wife, natal, synastry, composite, and marriage event. Then I'll let you all tell me what you see. Her birth time is not confirmed, only based on a family members recollection. She has said she would get the birth certificate more than once, but... Also, her location of birth is off by about 5 miles or so to the ESE of the actual location. But, without the TOB, I figure that error is inconsequential. The marriage is set to what I remember as the start time. The actual pronouncement probably approx. 1/2 hour later, and I have nothing written to confirm time (she got rid of it all).
So, I've got almost a 40 year on again off again history with this woman, so tell me what you see.
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 24, 2020 5:40:17 GMT
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 24, 2020 5:41:33 GMT
Synastry and Composite   |
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 24, 2020 5:42:19 GMT
Marriage:  |
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 24, 2020 5:52:47 GMT
Note: I use 60% orbs on astro.com, so these aspects are all pretty tight.
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Post by Ava on Oct 25, 2020 2:01:08 GMT
Hi geminiblues , Wish I were a better astrologer. I think there's nothing I could point to, that you aren't already aware of. But just for fun, some observations and guesses. 1) Hitting it off * Mercury conjunct angle synastry, both ways, with Mercury trine Mercury. Conversation is not only open (Mercury in air signs) but strikes a deeper chord. * Pattern completion, as you know. * Positive sun/Mars contacts both ways, physical sparks. Her Mars widely conjunct your moon for some extra warmth. * Sun quincunx sun exact is like a riddle that wants to be solved; your sun forming a yod with her sun and Mars, might have felt like you are a missing link. 2) Might have felt kinda fated... * Your ASC-DSC axis squaring her nodes (entanglement) * Her moon sextile/trine your nodes (comfort) 3) Then it gets serious because... * Saturn synastry * Composite SN ruled by Saturn, comp NN ruled by the moon, and the moon and Saturn are opposed! I kind of associate moon/Saturn with having children because it's showed up that way in my life. I think you two share a daughter? * Comp moon and Saturn aspecting both your suns (more favorable to your sun, indicating you may have felt happier with the relationship?) * Saturn and Pluto were transiting conjunct composite Juno, trine comp Saturn, around the time of your wedding. 4) About that wedding... * So many wild conjunctions to your natal charts! * The yod, echoing the synastry yod, how crazy is that. * Transiting Juno near the Aries Point (new beginning) applying to your comp Aries stellium 5) Something's not quite right * Comp Jupiter forms a yod with her Saturn (key planet/Cap) and Pluto. You just want to have fun together (comp Aries Jupiter) but it kicks up her Saturn/Pluto issues. I guess Jupiter might also help alleviate that inner tension and take a load off, IF it's not one of those times you're arguing, because... * Comp Jupiter squaring NN-Mars, probably some arguments. There can be attraction as part of it. Showing how much you care in the way things are negotiated...learning from past errors, learning from conflict (Mars/Jupiter). 6) But the relationship goes on and on... * Neptune's showing up in graceful, positive ways here. It was on the NN on your wedding day. Comp Neptune and both natal Neptunes trine comp NN. Your Taurus Jupiter opposing comp Neptune. Her Pisces Jupiter dispositing her Venus, conjunct your Saturn. Well Jupiter-Saturn synastry is probably challenging but nothing nasty, not in Pisces. This falls in composite 4th house, maybe a case of strange bedfellows, but companionable. * Comp SN in Capricorn, that has gravitas. I can't see comp Venus' degree but I think it's positively aspecting both the nodes and the ASC-DSC axis, lending some smoothness to the developmental aspect of the relationship, and conscious dignity/mindfulness (Virgo Venus) in how you show up for each other. ....What did I miss?  |
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 25, 2020 4:57:50 GMT
Woot! Thanks for taking the time to look at all that!
I can't look at these charts without getting more out each time, and yet you brought up plenty I hadn't considered yet. It's great for growing my understanding of astrology, but I've also got to watch because it can be unhealthy for me as a human being to keep dissecting it too much.
I'll save some of my own thoughts on the natal and synastry for later. But one of my thoughts about the wedding chart...
Saturn Pluto conjunction in the 4th house... We're living through the next Saturn Pluto conjunction and it's aftereffects now. So, we have a Saturn Pluto conjunction (Fear, Destruction of Structure) sextile Neptune (Illusion) and in the 5th (children?) to the yod of the sun at 29°59' of Taurus (can it be more critical by degree?). And Chiron conjunct the Sun so it's in the yod as well. Jupiter and Uranus opp Mars for added flavor... And the part of fortune joining the opposition. All those outers Rx... I never understood if neptune Rx means self illusion or seeing through illusion clearly... But then, I have it Rx in my 1st...
So, sun in 10th, challenged by all those outers. I dropped out of college to marry. I attempted to resume studies at a community college, but found it too difficult to continue. I never found work and financial stress was a major contributor to our first breakup. Along with the return of a prior boyfriend of hers who became her second husband and the father of her second daughter. Interestingly enough, his sun was conjunct her mars exact. It seems like she has to keep working on that inconjunct... And, no, I don't have his chart, nor do I care to...
As I said, I'll save my comments on the natal and synastry for a wrap up.
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 25, 2020 5:32:56 GMT
One thing you wouldn't see from the charts provided. When we got together the first time (my age 17), pVenus was conjunct my nSun in retrograde. When we got together the third time, pVenus was passing through my sun direct. The third time ended before pVenus reentered Cancer. And, for what it's worth, the second time encompasses roughly the 3 years (days) pVenus stations around 20° Gemini. If I drill down, I bet the first and third begin with the exact conjunct to my sun, the exact inconjunct to hers.
Like I said, I learn more every time I look.
The third time ends with my pVenus around 26° or 27° Gemini (not that there was a definitive end date). The degree doesn't jump out as anything obvious to me other than it's the sun Venus midpoint, maybe signaling that this adventure had run its course.
So, how's a sun mars pVenus Yod in synastry grab you?
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Post by Ava on Oct 25, 2020 13:00:24 GMT
It's great for growing my understanding of astrology, but I've also got to watch because it can be unhealthy for me as a human being to keep dissecting it too much. Oh I feel this. 🙏 But then, seeing things click into right place, it's just so satisfying and mesmerizing....like on your wedding day, transiting Jupiter was exactly conjunct your wife's Sag Venus. Outer planets Rx on wedding day might line up with the heavy pressure from the beginning, circumstances that created a kind of implosion. I can imagine that your pr Venus forming a yod with your wife's sun and Mars would make her feel complete, loved, balanced. The thing is, with her sun at the apex of the yod, versus your sun at the base....it's like she's the star? With your pr Venus there, you might sit back and appreciate her, let her have her way, be indulgent. Once pr Venus moves on, your sun reasserts itself, and there's a power struggle. Well she was the one leaving? Her will prevails, even if it's not exactly in her best interest, for her own will to prevail that much. Not that it's any of my business, not that I know her whatsoever. Just saying, astrologically....Leo Mars disposited by her sun, maybe creates a desire for grandeur. |
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Post by Ava on Oct 25, 2020 13:38:12 GMT
Btw when I was looking at your charts, the song "Drive" by The Cars started playing in my mind. It's not a song I usually think of. Checked and the song came out in 1984, just after you got married. Well your charts and story kinda remind me of it. |
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Post by lumina on Oct 25, 2020 14:29:36 GMT
Ava you are an AMAZING astrologer! Never question that. Just see all your wonderful work you did in this thread here alone (not to mention all the other interpretations that you provided, which are just so detailed and insightful).
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Post by Ava on Oct 26, 2020 2:31:51 GMT
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 26, 2020 5:32:11 GMT
I need to keep it short tonight. But I have to say...
Not meh. You're doing great. None of that Capricorn doubt now. 😉
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 29, 2020 6:39:08 GMT
Ava So, some of my thoughts on what you posted so far... 1) Hitting it off * Mercury conjunct angle synastry, both ways, with Mercury trine Mercury. Conversation is not only open (Mercury in air signs) but strikes a deeper chord. * Pattern completion, as you know. * Positive sun/Mars contacts both ways, physical sparks. Her Mars widely conjunct your moon for some extra warmth. * Sun quincunx sun exact is like a riddle that wants to be solved; your sun forming a yod with her sun and Mars, might have felt like you are a missing link. The Mercury trine Mercury is a big deal, especially because My Mercury is her pattern completion for that Venus Moon Chiron T square. And hitting her DSC, with my Vx. The T square by itself is her prison, and perhaps the biggest key to her entire chart. In a later post I will talk about her natal. But, for now, let's say that the trine allowed for communication, spoken or otherwise, that simply would not have been possible due to that T square. Not that it was perfect. During different points, common phrases from me were "I'm not a psychic, I only play one on TV" and "Use your words", while a not uncommon complaint of hers was "If you loved me, you would just know"... Venus opp Mercury and Moon square Mercury, I guess.. That said, there were times I knew what she was thinking before she did, or at least, before she was willing to admit it to herself... Mars contacts... I kept wondering why women with Mars around 20° Leo were so physically attracted to me. It's a common denominator in, to put it immodestly, women who... "made the first move" and sparks that lasted, at least for a time. Sure, it's close to my moon, but why not 15° Leo? Yes, it's sextile my sun, and when I found that, I thought I had the answer, but then, why not 22° Aries? Then I found that astroid... Adonis at 21 Leo. Added to the moon and sextile sun... That's probably one of the better predictors of physical attraction of my chart. Though I'll happily continue to research this... 😄 The Quincunx. Her quincunx is the second biggest key to her chart, and my sun just walks right in to it. For her, it represents problems she had growing up with her father and stepfather, among other things. I'm not the first to fill the spot to complete the yod. Her brother, an 8th house Leo sun Gemini moon Cap rising put his moon at 20° gemini. He was her early defender. Her other brothers were abusive in various ways, as shown by her 3rd house Saturn (well, whole sign, since this is a hellenistic technic), the major malefic in her night chart. Of her brothers, Joe was my friend, even when Kelly and I were (not we're, spell check...) not together. Perhaps I'll post his chart too. We lost Joe to lung cancer earlier this year, and due to Covid restrictions, we were not able to gather to mourn him properly. He loss has affected both Kelly and I deeply. With that, I will need to let the rest wait for the next time. |
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 29, 2020 6:47:14 GMT
Joe's chart  |
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Post by Ava on Oct 29, 2020 16:04:46 GMT
Super interesting geminiblues, thank you. I'll have to pay more attention to Adonis. I'm so sorry about Joe. That opposition from Saturn to Uranus-Pluto looks like chronic stress, especially since it squared the nodes. Mercury ruling the NN, squaring Neptune, that looks difficult. It seems his intelligence might have been lost on some people; others were confused when he meant to be totally clear, might have been disheartening? (Heart/chest area). Anyway, his moon-Jupiter on your sun looks like fun and good times. I'm glad it worked out happily with you two for as long as it did. My chart is similar to your ex's in some ways, including the exact sun-Mars quincunx. I've never sought out mid-Leo energy to complete the yod, not that I'm aware of. But my sun's quindecile to, and in mutual reception with, 12H Saturn. Saturn is semisquare Mars...so there is a closed and complete triangle there. Wonky as it is. Looking forward to hearing more of your commentary, if/when you feel like it. |
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Post by geminiblues on Oct 29, 2020 17:32:16 GMT
Off the top of my head, I think people feel those singleton aspects harder that multiple planet aspects. I've seen examples where a person with a prominent square is trapped living that square when people with other aspects to one or both planets in the squares seem to be able to function despite the square.
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