Noon charts

[lumina]

Hello Ava

You mentioned noon Charts. Can you elaborate a Bit in them?

Also so you Cast them for 12 p.m. or for the time sun is conjunct the midheaven?

Curiously Putting my sun in my midheaven i arrive at P's birthtime, which is actually another astrological method of synastry proposed by Pam crane who also wrote that big Reader in draconic astrology. But that would BE another topic i guess.

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

I would have to do some research to try and create a readable, worthwhile post. Much better if you can just find an article by Pam Crane explaining all we should know?

Basically, I use 12 pm if I have no time, I assume that's standard practice. So there are many noon charts in my astrodatabank. Some of these are striking on their own, like my mother has NN exact on the ASC and Saturn exact on the DSC at noon, with an MC @ 7 Leo, which is my rectified ASC.

Many of the noon charts also create coherent composite charts, with planets falling exactly on the angles. For example, my parents' comp MC exactly conjunct Neptune, using his known birth time and her noon chart.

I will try and find more examples later.

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My noon chart is very close to a sun-conjunct-midheaven chart. The noon chart features MC @ 14 Cap conjunct 15 Cap sun, with the ASC @ 25 Aries conjunct 23 Aries Chiron. So they are in paran relationship, or however you phrase that (parans).

My rectified MC is 25 or 26 Aries, so to have the noon ASC there is cool....a reiteration. 

23-27 Aries is a kind of interdimensional zone for me; key placements show up there in my tropical, noon tropical, draconic, helio, and sidereal charts. It is the only area of the zodiac that I can say this about. 

When I was looking to see what Pam Crane wrote about sun-MC, I found this:

When you put the four levels, the heliocentric, tropical, draconic, and sidereal in a four-ring concentric wheel, you not only see the differences between them, but you also see alignments between them, where various bodies will occupy the same, or approximately the same, degree axis. Axes and crosses, as Ebertin found, are very dynamic. Particularly the axes. And these are the key to interdimensional work. Because across the axes where you get these connections, you have a powerful description of what that person's life is about. They bring in syndromes, themes, issues.

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When you are looking at the interdimensional pattern, the chart level - whichever one of the four - whose Midheaven axis and Ascendant axis collect most planets from the others is the one that is going to be dominant, because it's constellating all the major themes. So if you've got someone whose tropical Midheaven and/or Ascendant is collecting the planets from the sidereal and draconic, then their personal life is going to be the driving force, even in those dimensions of life. But a person whose sidereal axes are collecting planets from the tropical and draconic - that means that their public life is going to be the main focus, and the others will contribute to that. This works well, I promise!

revpamcrane.weebly.com/interview-with-pam.html

Sorry that is somewhat off topic, but not really for me, because I have:

23.35 Aries, noon tropical Chiron
25.47 Aries, noon tropical ASC
25.35 Aries, sidereal south node
26.06 Aries, rectified tropical MC
23.47 Aries, draconic Neptune (mean node)
23.50 Aries, helio Mercury
26.38 Aries, helio Chiron
27.28 Aries, helio Jupiter

(Draco Mars in Libra opposes all this, btw)

I guess my tropical chart is dominant. Even if I didn't have a rectified MC at 26 Aries, the noon chart ASC is there, the sun-MC chart's ASC is there. Many people born the same day/year as me, at least in the Western hemisphere, will have the noon ASC in late Aries, picking up all those other planets and the sidereal SN there. 

The sun was in Capricorn but the noon ASC gives a clue that the energy was concentrated or overlapping elsewhere. 

Pls don't quote

[lumina]

Ava

well I am also using noon as birthtime when the birthtime unknown, but have never really payed attentiont o the angles; I mainly use it because that is the safest chart for Moon-aspects, as in a natal chart Moon can only move 6 degrees away from that placement no matter when the actual birthtime is, and in a composite when the other birthtime is known, the Moon degree can only vary about 3 degrees to each side, so fairly close Moon aspects will be valid no matter when the other person is born.

It is interesting though to check for the angles; well obviously Sun will always be somewhere in proximity of the MC in such a chart, not always conjunct, though.

Hmm, my own noon chart puts ASC on 2 Pisces. That is definitely interesting, and MC on 18°59 Sag. (well P`s mean nodal axis falls across 2 Virgo - Pisces, and our composite Vesta is on 2 Pisces).

Also I don`t think Pam Crane was writing about a noon chart, what I was referring too, was the Q exchange charts, esp. for synastry, but that would really be off topicc now I think.


Her approach to interdimensional astrology is interesting, not sure I am following all of that or agreeing with it into the last detail, but there is definitely something abuot the resonances of the same axis, and how she explains it.

Well I think in this quote she was writing a little unclearly, cause in the first paragraph she included the heliocentric, but there are no angles in the helio charts (as those are created by the motion of earth), so the helio chart could never collect the other zodiacs placements.
Of course we still can see if helio planets fall onto tropical, sidereal or draconic angles. (I think however that is why she did not mention the heliocentric when she was specifying in the later paragraph, where she just referred to tropical, sidereal and draconic).

Oh I see you used the noon chart for that. I wonder how this would look like for the tropical chart with your birthtime. Isn`t your IC-MC falling on that axis as well?So that would be like a double hit for sure!



however it may be, this Aries-Libra-one is really impressive. WEll you "capture" my Draco Venus there, and P`s Draco DESC-Saturn and tropical Pluto on the other side, and actually the other guy I mentioned recently has his Venus-Uranus-Neptune stellium in Draco falling there as well.