composite and progressed composite

[lumina]

A most random post I know,b ut just wanted to say that I`m reading (again and more in depth now) Liz Greene`s book on composites, and while I am not one of the most glowing fan of hers usually (meaning to say I don`t take her word as the bible ), I find this book very interesting and insightful, especially in terms of composites triggering natals and/ or especially progressed composite aspects happening/ tightening and progressed composite planets triggering natal planets of one or the other person. Damn, yes. Definitely so far can relate to that a lot. lol 

Also switched back to progressing angles with the Naibod arc, I mean it probably is astro.coms standard for a reason. LOL (though I haven`t settled on this issue yet and might switch back again. )

NOt having to do with progressed composites, however for me personally it means my pr DESC already has exactly conjuncted my natal Saturn (though it is still in orb). The zero orb conjunction happened from 7th - 11th april this year. 
On 3rd april (when this conjunction was one minute applying) I was registering as a patreon to some creator, because I felt the need to support him (and his family) in those very distressing times; so breaking it down to very pragmatic words I was "entering a financial commitment" (and I was hesitating to do so, as I am always hesitating to commit to anybody or anything. lol Obviously I can leave at any time I want, and just as obviously I most probably will not. ). 

Well in my natal Saturn rules the 2nd house and falls into my 8th house. Do I really need to say anything more about it? The astrological symbolism is so clear, it really almost startled me (again and again stuff like that keeps on surprising me. Of course 2nd and 8th house do have other symbolic stuff to them too, on a more psychological level, it is also about finding feelings of validation. Saturn also disposits my Venus, and 2nd house also has to do with "validation" and "values", but in this case this was a clear cut pragmatic , though not so psychological. lol, manifestation. More like medieval astrology in play. Of course underneath this clear cut external materialistic manifestation, there most definitely is something psychological at play. but Still, ruler of 2nd house in 8th house, and it is Saturn, falling onto the progressed DESC in Cancer - giving own money (2nd house) away to others (8th house), out of an inner push/ responsibility (Saturn) to support the other party (DESC) and their family (Cancer). 

Sometimes it really is THAT easy, isn`t it? 


Well I know this has not anything to do with the topic title. lol But I just cannot separate the natals and progressionf rom the composites, they all work in tandem. (Well composite Venus is opposing my natal Saturn, and for him Venus rules the 2nd house, just as Saturn rules my 2nd house - so it is sort of tied into this). 

The axis runs along 16 Cap - 16 Cancer btw, so maybe getting awareness of that just before the dawn of a lunar eclipse from Cancer to Cap, seems oddly timely. lol

[lumina]

oh and in case the other progressing of the angles method is better (the one with Solar Arc MC or how it is called, third option on astro.com, but one that seems to be supported by Noel Tyl, Jim Eshelman and possibly also David Cochrane), well in this case the exact conjunction will happen later this year.

Exact from 22nd - 26th october, which is interesting, as some kind of thing is scheduled for 24th october, when this is going to be exact down not to the minute, but the second of arc! lol(well so far I observe that with distance, cause in those times we live in anything can get cancelled at any time and until october it is a long time, so who knows? )

[Ava]

Jul 4, 2020 10:54:29 GMT lumina said:

Well I know this has not anything to do with the topic title. lol 

Not sure what the topic is about?

Conjunctions between comp and pr comp?

[lumina]

Basically just something to explore progressed composites in general, and in particular the overlays and triggering of natal planets, either in natal composite, or in each partie`s individual natal chart.


and also me trying to come to a conclusion about the two main methods of progressing angles. I mean it IS a difference! NOt for all people, but in my particular case, with one method the pr composite ASC has already entered 00 Aries, with the other method, the pr composite ASC is just heading towards 29 Pisces. And I just think this is definitely a difference. To be honest it feels more end of a cycle like at the moment to me. However, not every new beginning starts with a bang, and just like the New Moon is invisible, sometimes a new beginning is only visible with its consequences in retrospect, so from a personal observation perspective, I couldn`t really decide, I guess. But that is just my personal mental issue with progressed angles at the moment. lol 

[lumina]

Oh and triggering means always conjunctions and oppositions from the progressed composite (since composites are midpoint charts, both, conjunction and opposition, are direct trigger points. possibly there is a qualitative difference if something falls onto the near midpoint - hence conjunction - or the far midpoint - opposition-, but basically both are falling onto the same midpoint axis)

[Ava]

So it's a free-for-all?

Moon's in Cap and I feel restrictive. So just one thing.

When I got married there was:

28 Cancer, my progressed Saturn
28 Cancer, pr composite Juno
28 Scorpio, pr comp sun

Converted to a water grand trine by transits:

28 Pisces, transiting Mercury
29 Pisces- transiting sun

[lumina]

That Sounds very fitting. Juno Saturn is very committed.

[lumina]

Moons in Cap? Well then moon in sag had a lunar Return Yesterday. Btw i am Just watching a Concert. 😂 Maybe i should pay more Attention. Butbtgen again what for?

[Ava]

Jul 4, 2020 18:36:51 GMT lumina said:

That Sounds very fitting. Juno Saturn is very committed.

Also, pr comp Juno has been stationary @ 29 Cancer for many years (conjunct my 0 Leo Saturn) and just turned Rx either in 2017 or 2018 (I don't feel like checking all the months). 

My pr Juno has been Rx since I was little, it will be until I'm past 100. My husband's Juno turns Rx about 25 years from now. I don't know why pr comp Juno turned Rx when it did. I checked the Davison Juno and its progression (I know that's a stretch) and it's not that. 

The way I checked, if anyone's curious:
- Go to astro.com
- Click on free horoscopes
- Chose "Create an Ephemeris"
- Select Juno and enter year of birth or Davison chart in field next to "Start date" 

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Anyway, Davison is off topic but a quick note, ours is set to the dreaded Year of the Fire Horse. 

"In Chinese astrology, the Year of the Fire Horse is a bad year for Horses. All of their worst traits — their tempers, their stubbornness, their selfishness — burn with increased strength. Girls should never be born in the year of the Fire Horse; they are especially dangerous, bringing tragedy to their families."

Source

I don't know why I'm laughing, reading that.  

[lumina]

Ava

maybe there is a difference in speed? Maybe your Juno moves faster retrograde than his Juno is moving direct? Possibly his Juno already prepares to slow down for the stationary period, and yours has already taken up speed just in retro motion?


Re the chinese astrology. 
LOL Yes, well it is sort of, erm, either something to laugh about or get upset. So I also opt for laughing. 
The chinese astrology doesn`t really like women, especially not independent women, so they are thought of bringing tragedy (as they threaten the status quo and will not just be obedient to their husband or fulfil this kind of social role they are being pushed into. and the fire horse is definitely among those most likely candidates. lol)

Actually my aunt is a fire horse. She is extremely stubborn, and would not ever yield to this kind of social expectations. She is also very perfectionistic, when it comes to her own work (it never is good enough, it makes me almost angry sometimes, as this way she can never see just what an awesome amazing and UNusual work she is doing, esp. in terms of creative projects etc., well not angry, but it is maddening and saddening, that she cannot see how awesome she is! and recieve her well deserved praise instead of constantly belittling her own actions/ efforts/ results etc.) She is also extremely independenta nd does not do well with hierachies at all! especially not just because someone said someone else was an authority (because they have some sort of written paper to prove that, my aunt wants to see their actions marking them as real authorities she can take serious. You can imagine that this does not always bod well for her getting along with superiors. lol She works exceptionally well with superiors though, who are confident and abel in themselves, who deserve being called boss or authority. and those are usually the ones that meet her on eyelevel).


Sounds like she is a very typical Fire horse. lol (well I am a wood tiger whatever that means. I do not really relate to being tiger-like. but oh wel.)

[lumina]

I am looking at a progressed composite for when a relationship was made "public", by a fb message (of the woman). 

Sometimes when we see orbs, those might allude to very different timeframes, for example a 0°30 orb involving, let`s say MErcury and Venus, would become exact within months, while the same orb involving pr Jupiter or pr Saturn could take several years to become exact. That is why I checked the dates when the aspects would reach exactness (of course they are in play before and after, the question is how long. well actually in the book by Kris Brandt the suggested orbs of

Sun, Mercury, Venus: 1°
Moon 1°30
Mars 0°30
Jupiter 0°15
outer planets 0°05

- well I prefer 1 degree for MOon, too, but anyway- 

while the orbs for Jupiter and outers look ridiculously tight, they aren`t really. All of these orbs are - generally- spanning about a year. Mercury and Venus can occasionally be a bit faster, so take less than a year to complete a 1 degree orb. But also it depends, retrograde planets, esp. stationary retro or stationary direct ones can be EXTREMELY slow, even if it is Mercury. For example, My pr Mercury , from july 2019 - july 2020 it was not moving his usual 1°23 (that is his average speed), but in my particular case it moved from 25°16 Aqarius - 24°55 Aquarius.

Actually from july 2017 - july 2018 it only moved from 25°24 Aquarius - 25°25 Aquarius, so one MINUTE for all year. Even slower than Saturn and almost as slow as Uranus is. The reason for that was that he was stationary and was turning retrograde in february 2018. So in some isolated cases even Mercury (or Venus for that matter) can be EXTREMELY slow and hence taking a lot of time, much more than one year, to complete a 1 degree orb. 

To see the aspects in relation, I like to check the peak-dates (even though it is a drag, cause I have to do it manually.). 


Just some theoretical things about my method. 


BTW in the book by Liz Greene I mentioned she seems to use a 1° orb for progressions, no matter what planet, and for simplicitie`s sake I am inclined to do that, too. Besides within the years an aspect is in play (except for the Moon), we are not experiencing that progression every single day with the same intensity, there needs to be a trigger to bring it to awareness, maybe manifest externally etc. ant that is usually a strong partile transit to the progression (Not even want to think about the horrors of Tr Saturn squaring pr Sun in my own chart, which was almost worse than Tr Saturn square natal Sun, though those two were both not nice. Tr Saturn conjunct natal Sun and interestingly Tr saturn square natal Moon were pretty much outstanding and great though. Amazing experiences. )

[Ava]

Jul 7, 2020 17:35:36 GMT lumina said:

I am looking at a progressed composite for when a relationship was made "public", by a fb message (of the woman). 
...

while the orbs for Jupiter and outers look ridiculously tight, they aren`t really. All of these orbs are - generally- spanning about a year. 

So the pr comp did not have any significant markers at that time?

[lumina]

Ava , 

oh definitely! I was just somehow getting distracted. lol 

in the composite: 

pr Mercury conjunct n Venus, square pr and n Uranus

pr Venus trine pr Mars with 1°03 orb; applying, so just coming in, when they started dating officially; it came into the "peak-phase" (I consider 15 minutes applying and separating as the peak phase) when they got married and I think it was virtually exact with the birth of their second son. 
It was a long progression for them though, as her Venus had been retrograde at birth and turned direct somewhen, and was or is still very slow. 

There are some more but I consider these two as the major markers. 

Also for him personally there was a major marker I guess with pr Moon conjunct his natal ASC, exact around that date, and then moving into an opposition to his Saturn; at the same time that pr Moon of him was also trine HER natal and pr Saturn. Well that is the one I remember out of the top of my head. 

her pr Mars had just entered 00 Gemini conjunct her natal Ceres, which is squaring his nodal axis on 1 or 2 Virgo, depending on which node we use.
using astro coms primary method of progression angles (Naibod, which is just a mean figure actually), his pr ASC had just entered 00 Gemini. 

HOnestly it pisses me off a little, that even though the Naibod progressing angles is just a mean, averaged thing to do, just as the mean nodes are not even true, but an average position, and yet they seem to deliver such exact result, coinciding with significant events WHEN they happen, and they just shouldn`t be that accurate! I mean they are just averaging out the true positions. why do they work that well? 


anyway

There was also a progressed Venus-Sun-sextile in their progressed synastry, with his pr Venus also conjunct their composite Venus. 


Well as always ther eis probably more, but just leavning those ones up here, and of course their pogressing composite Juno-Chiron-square was not yet in orb. instead pr Venus was sextile pr Chiron (1°10a) and pr Mars was sextile pr Chiron from the other side (0°03a). 

They do have her Mars conjunct his Chiron in their natal synastry, possibly that sextile felt pretty strong, with a more supportive tilt. And usually Mars-Chiron comes with a pretty strong physical magnetism. And Venus-Chiron in harmonious aspects often seems to promise healing, especially in terms of romantic setbacks, rejections, wounds etc. That pr composite Venus was also squaring his progressed Neptune I think. their composite Neptune is conjunct his Sun and Moon anyway. their composite Moon is most possibly in orb for squaring her Neptune; he has a widish Moon-Neptune-conjunction, she has a Moon-Neptune-opposition natally, their composite has Moon square Neptune, though her birthtime is not known, so the orb might vary. 

Anyway at some point during these months their pr composite MOon was conjunct pr composite Chiron on 22 Taurus, and also sextile pr composite Mars and Venus. Actually since they got together that month it would make sense for the pr composite Moon to be right there within one degree of these three planets. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

I had pr comp Venus trine Mars with my ex when we reconnected, both planets switching signs around that time...turning a new leaf.

Maybe that's a real predictive marker, though we didn't fall in love like the couple you mentioned. Well our pr comp Venus conjunct the sun in Capricorn. Love is silly.

"they just shouldn`t be that accurate! I mean they are just averaging out the true positions. why do they work that well?"

That's how I feel about noon charts.

"Anyway at some point during these months their pr composite MOon was conjunct pr composite Chiron on 22 Taurus,"

I can imagine how that might be binding. Well some guy's moon was conjunct my Chiron and it became an emotional chiropractic session...with an untrained chiropractor. It was good, free, painful, but an interesting addition to my life's scrapbook.

[lumina]

Ava


"I had pr comp Venus trine Mars with my ex when we reconnected, both planets switching signs around that time...turning a new leaf.
"
Yes, absolutely. And it might not have been what you had hoped for, but it was still a great thing I think. 


"Maybe that's a real predictive marker, though we didn't fall in love like the couple you mentioned. "
Maybe because you already were? 
Also I think that such a connection can manifest in different ways, it also depends were two people are in life and what they want. The couple I mentioned, well he had just come out of a break up and was apparently ready to fall in love again. That year also his SR had Mars exactly on his natal Venus, and her SR had an exact Sun-Venus-Uranus-conjunction on 8 Aries, and Mars was on 13 Aries. So they both were in the right condition I suppose. Wellthat Sun-Venus-Uranus-Mars in her SR was making a square to Pluto, and a Yod with Jupiter on 11 Gemini and Saturn on 10 Scorpio, it is never always simple, but that STellium was quite a huge marker. lol)

They also have a 4 degrees applying Venus-Mars-trine in their composite, so the timing for that was simply right. 


My best friend and her husband also had the progressed trine 2 years ago, and well they welcomed their fifth (and possibly last) child. When the little girl was born their pr Venus-Mars - trine was 10 minutes applying, so in the "peak-phase".
Well their progressed Venus-Sun-conjunction was happening in 2014, and peaking around the time their third child was born. 


"Well our pr comp Venus conjunct the sun in Capricorn. Love is silly.
"
Yes, it must be a long lasting progression, too. Well I don`t find progressions really work when outside of one degree orb, but this one seems to hover quite near by, though it might separate by now? 

Anyway P and his wife also are going to have a Sun-Venus-conjunction in their pr composite, and the signarea made me curious to see if it already happens in Aries or still in Pisces, so I located the exact peak-time, which will be in spring 2024, and on 29 Pisces. (on their marriage charts mean SN, and most possibly opposing their composite Moon). 

Well due to the weird motion of Venus in her chart (having been retro, then going direct, and getting slowly quicker), they will have another progressed Sun-Venus-conjunction in their composite, but this one will happen in 2073. lol Well he would be in his 90`s by then. Anyway that one will take place on 17 Taurus exactly square their composite Sun, I mean down to the minute! 17°50 Taurus to 17°50 Aqua. 
In between it`s going out of orb though, and then coming in 1 degree orb again towards approximately 2059. But anyway I find it hard to even imagine 2021 as of now. LOL 


Actually P and me also will have a progressed Venus-Mars trine in our progressed composite (from spring 2021- spring 2023), I very much doubt this would mean we fall in love though. But maybe some nice concerts or other events coming up. Even though right now it seems hardly imaginable for me (but well at the moment I think our progressed Mercury-Saturn-opposition overshadows pretty much everything, oh and of course pr Sun square pr Mars, well actually there are some intriguing things building int he progressed composite, which make me a bit curious, including the pr composite ASC crossing over to 00 Aries in september 2021)



"I can imagine how that might be binding. Well some guy's moon was conjunct my Chiron and it became an emotional chiropractic session...with an untrained chiropractor. It was good, free, painful, but an interesting addition to my life's scrapbook."
Yes, Chiron is very interesting. NOt always easy to interprete, but definitely someone to watch out for. And seems to figure strongly in connections of any kind. I wouldn`t really limit it to romantic relationships. But anyway oppositions and squares to Chiron can be very challenging, the trine, sextile and sometimes conjunction however, very worthwhile, the conjunction can also come with pain, but somehow it is more constructive in the end. and a chiropractic session is like textbook Chiron. I mean that is where the name chiropractic comes from! (or actually both words have the same root and just mean: Hand). 
Trine and sextile can be rather soothing. 

[Ava]

Thanks lumina,

""Maybe that's a real predictive marker, though we didn't fall in love like the couple you mentioned. "
Maybe because you already were?"

You mean ages ago? Re: modern times, I guess it's a matter of phrasing. To me, that sensation of being in love is a kind of euphoria, based on hope. There wasn't much to hope for. I was happy and adored him but it wasn't...something with a future.

"That year also his SR had Mars exactly on his natal Venus, and her SR had an exact Sun-Venus-Uranus-conjunction on 8 Aries, and Mars was on 13 Aries. So they both were in the right condition I suppose."

Wow. Yes, looks kinda fated. And Mars is great for getting things started.

"Well I don`t find progressions really work when outside of one degree orb, but this one seems to hover quite near by, though it might separate by now?"

Technically, the progressions do work, they might just be working to keep people apart until the time is right for them to meet, date, die, or whatever else is written in the stars.

My ex and I parted ways again with

0.44 Virgo, pr comp Mars
1.31 Scorpio, my pr moon
2.45 Scorpio, his pr sun (nodal chart time)
3.33 Scorpio, his pr NN
1.40 Cap, pr comp sun
3.20 Cap, pr comp Venus

But that didn't exactly work, so the very, very last time we talked, my pr moon was @ 2 Scorpio within minutes of his pr sun.

Pr sun-moon synastry conjunction on pr comp Mars-Venus midpoint. It was strange he was even in the country in that time frame. But who knows, maybe real astrologers could look at those charts and tell me, "It would have been stranger if he wasn't."

"so I located the exact peak-time, which will be in spring 2024, and on 29 Pisces. (on their marriage charts mean SN, and most possibly opposing their composite Moon)."

Conjunct tr Neptune @ 27 Pisces (just checked). Disney princess.

"Actually P and me also will have a progressed Venus-Mars trine in our progressed composite (from spring 2021- spring 2023), I very much doubt this would mean we fall in love though."

Maybe just more of those incidents where the doorway is narrow and you have to slide against each other to pass. Cuz it seems really narrow. What other choice do you have?

"including the pr composite ASC crossing over to 00 Aries in september 2021"

So pr comp Mars will be chart ruler and trine Venus, hmm. Is pr comp Mars in Scorpio...will it square tr Saturn?

"Chiron is very interesting. NOt always easy to interprete, but definitely someone to watch out for. And seems to figure strongly in connections of any kind. I wouldn`t really limit it to romantic relationships."

It just strikes with abandon, I mean Chiron is slow but draco Chiron moves pretty fast. Well today Chiron is conjunct Mars on comp moon with my ex, opp comp Pluto. Here I was digging for meaning again.

[lumina]

Ava


"I guess it's a matter of phrasing."
Yes, I think it is.

"To me, that sensation of being in love is a kind of euphoria, based on hope. There wasn't much to hope for. I was happy and adored him but it wasn't...something with a future.
"
Interestingly just yesterday I was reading an article about the differing of passionate love and companionate/ compassionate love. 

stylesoflove

Just leaving this here, cause it makes my astrological senses itch to try to find a planetary categorization tool for this. lol 

I also agree with the "influencing factors" described in the article. especially "timing" is important. Which is why I think we probably cannot judge a synastry or composite, especially the progressed version, without taking the individual progressions/ transits into account, and how it triggeres each natal. And then probably something more I am not yet aware of. 


"Wow. Yes, looks kinda fated. And Mars is great for getting things started.
"
The timing was right, definitely. And yes about Mars, he seems to be almost always there performing a trigger-function, no matter what it is. especially. when we are talking about starting things, ending things, events, developments that can be seen from the outside as well, so when it comes to manifestation and expression in the outside world. Obviously they did not decide on the drop of a hat that they were going to embark into an official relationship. this was just the moment a development was made visible (literally, as it was done over facebook. lol), and at the same time it functioned as initiating a new phase, in this instance it seems fitting that this was around the beginning of when the Venus-Mars-trine comes into orb. Well while I notice that most "events" seem to happen in the peakphase (approximately 15 minutes applying and separating, totally arbitrarily chosen, though some astrologers mentioned that as well. lol But the external manifestation very often really comes with these tight orbs, which I find interesting. of course there has to be a transit trigger as well), but anyway why that seems to really be a peak-moment in progressions (which can actually sometimes last several months), I also seem to notice that around the time the progressions crosses the 1° orb and applies, it is like literally crossing some sort of line, and something starts to form, maybe just emotionally/ mentally at first, but something changes, comes into more of a focus, but most often that is followed by a relatively quiet/ calm phase, until the aspect applies to a greater closeness. Just my observations of course). 


But yes anyway, Mars is a good starter. 





"But that didn't exactly work, so the very, very last time we talked, my pr moon was @ 2 Scorpio within minutes of his pr sun.
"
Well I know you see it differently than I do, but you didn`t really part ways. You just agreed on a pause to give each other time to reorient, heal certain things, develop in some ways you need to do for your individual growth and obviously have to do it while not be in too close contact. But you will meet again and find a new way of connecting. 
Heck, you already did. You layed the past to rest, but you both have to somehow process that you did. And realign. 

So I think it is fitting the pr Moon on his pr Sun, and it is so beautiful it makes me almost cry. lol Actually this is conjunct my pr Uranus on 2°28 Scorpio.

Anyway you started something new there. But like at New Moon the Moon cannot be seen yet, you cannot really seen what exactly that new is going to be, but the seed has been layed and will show itself later on. When your pr Moon will be semisquare his pr Sun, that is when the crescent phase starts, and the Moon becomes visible again. 

This "crescent phase" starts in mid september 2023, when your pr Moon will be on 20 Sag, so you will probably see by then what that seed you both planted really is striving to become, latest by then. Of course there will be some things happen in between now and then. But I would keep a mental note of that year, there might be something illuminating happen there. 
Also your pr Suns will be trine each other, your pr ASC-DESC moving towards your synastric fullmoon, though this might happen 3-4 years after that. 

your pr composite will have Uranus exactly on the ASC, well using his noon chart of course. 
it will also have a New Moon, using his noon chart pr composite Moon on 5Cap just separating from pr composite Sun on 4 Cap and applying to pr composite Venus on 7 Cap, even if this might not happen in september (depending on his birthdate), it must happen somewhen in between june-to december that year approximately (as pr composite MOon can only differ about approximately 3 degrees from that noon-position)


Actually using the date of 15th september (arbitrarily, but that is the month your pr Moon will be exactly semisquare his pr Sun, so not totally arbitrarily ), I see there is a New Moon on 21 Virgo. Just saying. 

No matter how exactly that will play out, seems like a significant timeframe. 



"It would have been stranger if he wasn't."

Paul Westran calls progressions: "Windows of opportunity", I think that fits. 

My window of opportunity of seeing Jude Law on stage started to open when his pr Moon-Mercury was exactly conjunct my pr Mercury-Venus, all on 19 Aquarius, for the first time I saw him on stage. Curiously on my natal Atropos. 

If you want the exact figures


his pr Mercury 19°14 Aqua

my pr Venus 19°31 Aqua

my pr Mercury 19°34 Aqua

his pr Moon 19°59 Aqua


Those days Tr Mercury was on 17-19 Leo. Well the Mercury-factor makes sense for seeing acting in action. lol 

Tr NN was on 0°00 Aquarius, Tr Pluto on 1 Cap on our composite Sun (Tr Pluto seems to often be on composite Sun at those occasions of first time seeing.) Well Tr Pluto was also opposing c Saturn on 1 Cancer, so there is that. lol 

Also pr composite had a triple conjunction of Juno (7 Aqua), Sun (8 Aqua), Venus (9 Aqua), but the Sun-Venus was over 1 degree, the Juno-Sun was under 1 degree, but Juno is moving relatively slow, so it was really not close to any kind of peak moment, but it was there, and he did an impressive job. LOL

But yeah, window of opportunity it was. 
and the next 3 times as well. lol

I wonder if I might be going to see him again on stage some day. Obviously not around THIS time though. 
And it could be that this window has closed for good, I haven`t really been checking. 

Window of opportunity does not always mean "riding off into the sunset together", I think we have to be more broad minded than that. NOt every Sun-Venus-conjunction means the romance of a lifetime (though very often it does), sometimes it is just cooperation, agreement, harmony, sympathy etc. 
I do tend to think it brings good feelings of admiration, liking, affection though. 





"Conjunct tr Neptune @ 27 Pisces (just checked). Disney princess.
"
For some reason I had used the date of mid july 2024 (probably cause I am lazy and did not want to change the date. lol)

And by then Tr Neptune will be on 29 Pisces exact on that conjunction I think. 
Also they will have pr composite Mars on 25 Cancer squaring pr composite Saturn on 25 Libra, affecting his natal Venus on 25 Capricorn. 
Oh and with a Noon time for her pr Moon will be on 25 Libra setting off that configuration. Even if not in july, this will happen somewhen from april to october that year I think. their pr composite Mars-Saturn square will be quite a lasting one and then becoming a pr Mars-Pluto-square, so they probably will need all the understanding and sympathy the Sun-Venus could bring them. 

AS of now they have pr Venus quinkunx pr SAturn (and a starting pr Sun quinkunx pr Saturn), and that Venus-Saturn was gliding into the "hot phase", exactly the month the shit hit the fan, I mean the financial cushions breaking all away, of which the Corona desaster is just a culmination point, but there has been going a lot more really awry. Definitely a lot of adaption to circumstances was asked of them, and well she was away for some time in winter, so the isolation-factor in this fits, too. 

HOpefully the nice Jupiter-trines can help them through that, though I think by the time the Mars-Saturn, and Mrs-Pluto square start, these trines have passed. And before the Saturn-squares, they will undergo pr Sun and pr Venus squaring pr Neptune, have not checked when exactly and the transits for that time, but honestly even with that beautiful Sun-Venus-conjunction there, I wouldn`t want to have such a progressed composite with my significant other, especially since it is so extreme. Like having extremely beautiful stuff happening and then like falling from grace or something. 






"Maybe just more of those incidents where the doorway is narrow and you have to slide against each other to pass. Cuz it seems really narrow. What other choice do you have?
"

What do you mean by that? NOt quite sure I understand you. 

If you refer to it only be 2 years, well that is actually the normal speed and duration for Venus-progressions. You and my best friend and P all have extremely slow Venus in your progressed composites, but having such long Venus progressions is not the norm. 
But of course it is interesting.



"So pr comp Mars will be chart ruler and trine Venus, hmm. Is pr comp Mars in Scorpio...will it square tr Saturn?
"
Yes, the transiting Saturn-Uranus-square will tie into this. 

Well actually the thing is a bit more complex, as pr Mars is right now on 11 Scorpio moving to conjunct n composite Uranus on 12 Scorpio and after that pr composite Uranus on 13 Scorpio, while pr composite Sun is on 10 Aquarius right now and just starting the square to pr composite Mars, while also being trine natal composite Jupiter on 10 GEmini and a few year later trine pr composite Jupiter on 14 or 15 Gemini. 
And pr composite Venus on 10 Pisces at the moment, so this is all building up, and the transiting Saturn-Uranus connecting to that. 
At some point our pr composite Moon will be going over 11 Virgo, too, and tying into this. Well if I have more time I will check for more closer timeframes, but it definitely seems interesting, I did not say, easy or nice or even harmonious, but certainly somethings "in the air", and with Uranus you never know. lol (it is also conjunct his name in our composite on 11 Scorpio, so whatever it is it might have mostly to do with his actions or whatever. Well my name in our composite is on 11 Aries I think or was it 12 Aries? itis an inconjunct so I might have to adapt to whatever he is cooking up in his mind and actions, and just ask yourself how lenient and cooperative an Aries - personality is into adapting to actions not coming from herself? This should be fun. LOL

Not to mention that our pr composite Venus on 11 Pisces will be exact conjunct my natal Jupiter (and my name in his chart is on 9 Pisces), pr composite Moon at some point will be going over his natal Mars on 11 Virgo and Jupiter and his name on 10 Virgo. 

I just find it interesting that while in the other pr composite Mars will be opposing his natal Venus; in our pr composite (but I think this will happen a bit earlier in time) pr  Venus will be opposing his Mars (and there won`t be a Saturn-square attached to that pr Venus, but actualy a Mars-Uranus-trine). 

I promise I am going to be good and protecting my moral integrity. lol 

Nah all joking aside, I like that there is atrine to of Mars-Uranus to Venus. I think I can live with a Sun-Uranus-squre (it also reminds me of my own progressions when we first met), and Sun is in Aqua anyway, and Sun and Uranus are rulers of the chart, it might be easier to navigate, well not easy, but not affecting either too emotionally, more bringing the need for change I guess. okay, a bit disruptive, maybe very disruptive, with Tr Uranus squaring that Sun and opposing htat Mars-Uranus, but well it also will sextile the Venus portion and trine the pr Moon, there seems to be a weird balance there. 

But Tr Saturn on the Sun and square Mars is there as well, so just wondering who is going to play which part? lol 

It is all just theory though, but I just find it funny to see astrological patterns emerge, even if they will not express themselves. Well they will in some way, but we have to take into account the circumstances we are living in, well maybe there will be some new exciting project I can get enthusiastic about . lol




"It just strikes with abandon, I mean Chiron is slow but draco Chiron moves pretty fast."
Is that becuase the transiting nodes are moving more quickly than transiting Draco itself?


"Well today Chiron is conjunct Mars on comp moon with my ex, opp comp Pluto. Here I was digging for meaning again."
Yes, sometimes that is how Chiron works, digging out. 
Which reminds me P`s Pluto is opposing my Chiron, and while that is usually a bit semi-generational, in this case it falls right onto our ocmposite nodal axis, with his Pluto on the NN, my Chiron on the SN. My Chiron is in my 4th house, so I just want to cave in and nurture my isolation, and he is sort of pulling on the string, and well the comosite NN is in my 10th house of course. 

For him my Chiron is falling into his intercepte Aries 1st house and his Pluto in his 7th house, so composite NN in his 7th house. don`t know how he experiences that, but at least from my perspective I can relate to that, at least in terms of the past years. 

Thoug hby now I am very much back in my 4th house Chiron cave. lol 

[Ava]

Thanks lumina,

"What do you mean by that? NOt quite sure I understand you."

Didn't you and P smoosh up against each other rather unnecessarily (his fault) when you were passing through a doorway simultaneously before?

[lumina]

Ava

Oh yes, right. I actually forgot. 😂 But He seemed to have a preferences for my Side of the path. Oh Well good old Times. Not too old, when i remember IT right He did so even Last year.

[Ava]

It's clear I'm more Taurus than you lumina . I remember tactile stuff...and textile stuff....your shirts having a moment of intimacy at least.

LOL

"I also agree with the "influencing factors" described in the article. especially "timing" is important. Which is why I think we probably cannot judge a synastry or composite, especially the progressed version, without taking the individual progressions/ transits into account, and how it triggeres each natal. And then probably something more I am not yet aware of."

That article confused me but your point here does not. I agree, of course. Well even in layman's terms..."the stars aligned" is almost a hackneyed expression, which is a shame, because in truth that can be such a magnificent thing. 

Btw my daughter played this for me yesterday, no need to listen, but the lyrics contain these lines

Through all of my lives
I'd never thought I'd wait so long for you
The timing is right
The stars are aligned....

So save that heart for me
'Cause girl you know that you're my destiny (d-destiny)
Respect to the moon, the stars, their sons and their daughters
Our love is deeper than the oceans of water
Save that heart for me

And girl I'll give you everything you need (everything you need)
Here's to our past lives, our mothers and fathers
Our love is deeper than the oceans of water



"Well I know you see it differently than I do, but you didn`t really part ways. You just agreed on a pause to give each other time to reorient, heal certain things, develop in some ways you need to do for your individual growth and obviously have to do it while not be in too close contact. But you will meet again and find a new way of connecting."

I do see it differently...well, I trust he and I will speak again at some point, but there is no more connecting, no re-establishing a friendship. To quote the apostle Paul in the Book of Timothy: "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course." 

That being said, I've picked up on a sun-Saturn pattern in our chart-lives which is truly remarkable and probably accounts for the relationship's peculiar nature. I'll post about that elsewhere. 

"So I think it is fitting the pr Moon on his pr Sun, and it is so beautiful it makes me almost cry. lol"

There there, save your tears for later, he and I will have a pr draco sun-moon conjunction @ 0 Aries on the Virgo full moon next year. I'll mail you tissues in advance, in case he emails.

hehehehe 

Please don't quote these comments about him, might erase 

Actually I will begin a new post...