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Post by Ava on Jul 1, 2020 13:39:06 GMT
EVC - Event Composite chart. Composite between the natal chart and transits. I'm trying to get a sense of how telling these are. === Starting with Elvis www.everyhit.com/timelines/elvis_presley.htmlFirst public concert @ Overton Park Shell in Memphis, July 30, 1954. - "His nervousness causes him to move constantly throughout. " (Uranus?) 27 Libra, EVC sun 27 Libra, Elvis' natal Part of Fortune 27 Aries, Elvis' natal Uranus 10 Gemini, EVC Uranus 12 Gemini, natal DSC - Elvis' natal MC @ 27 Virgo ruled by Mercury 22 Cap, EVC north node 22 Cap, Elvis' natal Mercury - At noon that day, relationship planets on EVC ASC-DSC axis... 18 Scorpio, Elvis' natal Jupiter (chart ruler) 19 Scorpio, EVC Mars 21 Scorpio, EVC ASC (noon transit) 24 Scorpio, EVC Venus 24 Taurus, EVC moon - The EVC moon + Venus @ 24° hook into these transits/natal positions pretty strongly: 25 Sag, transiting Mars 24 Cancer, transiting Uranus 25 Cancer, Elvis' natal Pluto 23 Libra, transiting Neptune 24 Leo, transiting Pluto 25 Cap, transiting Chiron - Elvis' EVC Pluto @ 9 Leo conjunct transiting sun @ 7 Leo. There had just been a new moon @ 6 Leo the day before. Here he began to break the mold of music, social norms, etc (Plutonian, destruction). - Jupiter is important as its his chart ruler. Like I said. EVC ASC-Mars-Venus were conjunct his natal Jupiter in Scorpio. Transiting Mercury and Jupiter (rulers of his MC and ASC) were conjunct on the south node in Cancer, opposing his sun. This was sextile to his natal Neptune @ 14 Virgo and EVC Jupiter @ 16 Virgo. Transiting Venus was nearby @ 19 Virgo, forming a yod with his natal Jupiter/EVC Mars (18-19 Scorpio) and EVC Mercury (20 Aries, apex.) Alright that's complicated enough for one post. I'm exploring and hope to cut out material once I learn more about how to read EVCs. |
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Post by lumina on Jul 1, 2020 20:22:44 GMT
Hi Avathat is very interesting! I love that thread already! "27 Libra, EVC sun 27 Libra, Elvis' natal Part of Fortune 27 Aries, Elvis' natal Uranus " I am not sure how the overlay of EVC to natal relates, but I, too, notice this over and over again, that this is very significant. Just like overlays of the normal composite are to natal charts! Well I guess it means there is some sort of resonance, like in this case transiting Sun and his natal Sun being equidastant to his natal Uranus. Something like that. Anyway just trying to understand the underlying pattern, what it means in terms of geometry, but apart from that, this is just soooo fitting Sun-Uranus. I mean it changed his life completely and he changed the world! "18 Scorpio, Elvis' natal Jupiter (chart ruler) 19 Scorpio, EVC Mars 21 Scorpio, EVC ASC (noon transit) 24 Scorpio, EVC Venus 24 Taurus, EVC moon " I find this here most interesting. Esp. Venus-Moon, so his natal Venus-Moon was replicated in the sky, and eventually the ASC-DESC axis was bringing this really out and to the fore. Wow! Also the signs are so fitting. Obviously I also love EVC Mars near there and near natal Jupiter. "- Elvis' EVC Pluto @ 9 Leo conjunct transiting sun @ 7 Leo. There had just been a new moon @ 6 Leo the day before. Here he began to break the mold of music, social norms, etc (Plutonian, destruction). " Absolutely. Yes. - Jupiter is important as its his chart ruler. Like I said. EVC ASC-Mars-Venus were conjunct his natal Jupiter in Scorpio. Well the EVC Venus was on his natal Jupiter several days prior, depending on the speed of Venus at that time. But I think events do not happen in a vacuum, they have a prequel and a sequel. And this EVC Vneus on his n Jupiter might have prepared this event to happen. |
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Post by lumina on Jul 2, 2020 11:55:42 GMT
I checked the underlying geometry of EVC to natal for P and me, as his EVC Pluto is "glued" to the degree of my natal ASC at the moment (exact degree conjunction).
Underlying this is that he is experiencing a widish (2,5 degree) square of Tr Pluto at 24 Cap to his natal Pluto on 21 Libra. His natal Pluto is semisquare my natal ASC by half a degree, and currently transiting Pluto is semisquare my natal ASC by 2 degrees, so this is the reason why P`s EVC Pluto is conjunct my natal ASC, and so I guess this is significant.
Well it was possibly even more "significant" last year over spring/ summer. For example on 9th august last year (I picked that date, cause we basically spent all day around each other. lol)
his EVC Pluto was on 6°20 Sag - it was not on the same degree as my natal ASC (7°01 Sag), however it WAS conjunct by 0°41.
At the same time transiting Pluto was on 21°18 Capricorn; So
Tr Pluto squared his natal Pluto by 0°05 and semisquared my natal ASC by 0°43.
so not only was his EVC Pluto within one degree orb of my natal ASC, but additionally transiting Pluto was making very tight (under one degree) transits to his natal Pluto and my natal ASC. Just thought that was interesting.
Such an alignment can of course only happen if there are pretty exact synastric aspects present.
If the synastry is not that tight, then one transiting exact aspect to one chart would not also trigger the other exactly and/ or result in exact EVC conjunctions. In those cases it seems more important to take the natal or synastric orb into account.
For example when him and me bumped into each other and he asked me if I might want to have coffee with him, which I did (Or if I recall it rightly I replied with the typical Venus in Cappy enthusiams of: "Yeah, why not." lol)
Back then his EVC Mars (20°49 Scorpio) was conjunct my EVC Venus (19°50 Scorpio) - there is no exact aspect between his Mars and my Venus, but they are trine by 4°58. That day transiting Mars was trine transiting Venus by 3°01 (the difference was "enough" to result in a one degree conjunction between the EVC`s).
It also shows that the transiting aspect do not need to be exact, but they need to mirror the natal or synastric orb very closely (for an EVC conjunction of 1 degree, possibly the difference must not exceed 2 degrees in the transiting aspect).
BTW during the time we met my EVC ASC was on 19°56 Scorpio, conjunct my EVC Venus by 6 minutes and applying to his EVC Mars.
Well back then there was yet another EVC conjunction, which was
his EVC Venus: 29°44 Scorpio
my EVC Pluto: 29°13 Scorpio
There is no major aspect between his Venus and my Pluto though. The distance is 106°50 from my Pluto to his Venus; that day transiting Venus was roughly 5-6 degrees before my natal Pluto and transiting Pluto was roughly 5-6 degrees before his natal Venus, and the distance between transiting Pluto and transiting Venus was 106°49.
So not an underlying major aspect but the same distance repeated leading to the EVC conjunction.
Well I do think more and more that while the conjunctions (also in composite in general) are very important and significant on its own, it probably would be a good idea to at least have a fleeting glance at what is the underlying natal or synastric aspect, especially if there is a major underlying aspect, the composite aspect might even be more "urgent" or expressive (taking into account what is lying underneath).
Anyway of course we are not a celebrity something, but I just know our EVC`s rather well, and so I used us to try and figure out the geometry of how those EVC` constellations happen.
In terms of Elvis chart, his natal Jupiter must have been right at the midpoint, and therefore at the forcefield, of the natal and transiting Mars, and possibly operating like a burning and magnifying glass?
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Post by Ava on Jul 2, 2020 13:02:23 GMT
In terms of Elvis chart, his natal Jupiter must have been right at the midpoint, and therefore at the forcefield, of the natal and transiting Mars, and possibly operating like a burning and magnifying glass? Wow. Yes. Well I think the girls in the audience thought so anyway. It is about geometry like you said. An EVC placement is a midpoint, it's showing the distance or phase angle between one's natal planet position and the same planet in transit. So the EVC planet is bisecting that line. <-- geometry terms, hope you are impressed. So what's interesting to me is, you can map out where planets need to transit in order for conjunctions between the EVC and natal to appear. You can create a list. I mean let's just assume Elvis' EVC sun conjunct natal POF was auspicious. It's the part of FORTUNE so why wouldn't it be? Well that *only* happens when the sun is transiting in early Leo (double the distance between his natal sun and POF). And just when he had his first concert, not only was the sun there in early Leo, but it was a new moon! I do need to research a lot more before I'll feel any (nerdy) excitement is warranted. I mean of course there are going to be overlaps between EVCs and the natal. The problem is, we can "bend" the meaning of whatever we find, to suit the narrative...fortunately in this first example, I didn't feel like I was doing that. The conjunctions speak for themselves there. One could argue that there should have been BETTER conjunctions, like EVC Uranus on natal MC, to represent the event more accurately. But hey, he was only just getting started. This wasn't the pinnacle of his success yet, it was an uncertain breakthrough as it was happening (EVC Uranus on natal DSC, showing a commitment to bringing ongoing electricity, though.) |
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Post by lumina on Jul 2, 2020 13:35:12 GMT
Ava" <-- geometry terms, hope you are impressed. " Absolutely.  "So what's interesting to me is, you can map out where planets need to transit in order for conjunctions between the EVC and natal to appear. You can create a list. " Yes. Actually I had in mind, before something else got my attention, to look over the EVC-alignments over the summer to see if there will be some "hits" and when they would be. lol But somehow this "project" got a bit more extensive than I thought it would, and was not even going through any structured list, but just starting with the lunar eclipse, seeing what was in a certain orb and when it might come into 1 degree orb. I am aware of that this way I am of course "missing" certain aspects (like Sun-Venus, if it wasn`t highlighted in the lunar eclipse eVC, which it kind of is, but anyway. lol) "I mean let's just assume Elvis' EVC sun conjunct natal POF was auspicious. It's the part of FORTUNE so why wouldn't it be? Well that *only* happens when the sun is transiting in early Leo (double the distance between his natal sun and POF). And just when he had his first concert, not only was the sun there in early Leo, but it was a new moon! " Nerdy or not. lol I find that very exciting and just amazing. "The problem is, we can "bend" the meaning of whatever we find, to suit the narrative..." Sure. But then again this can be said about astrology in general, so I wouldn`t mind that at the moment. And in your case you started with a significant event, which had proven significance in real life, and stumbled across very matching overlays. So I find that convincing. BTW some years ago I had been going through several events/ meetings/ occasions with P, and only if there was a tight conjunction/opposition between the eVC` (and usually between eVC and Natal) there was an actual encounter. if there was no significant conjunction/ opposition, there was no meeting either. HOwever, it is of course also true, that not everytime, there is usch an overlay an actual meeting happens. So the reverse order does not quite work. lol Though possibly if going over it I would notice some sort of "virtual encounter" between us for those times, even if not around each other in person. Or maybe something else must come into the mix to manifest it. There is still a lot to learn, but so far the EVC`s seem among the most reliable prediction-tools. " This wasn't the pinnacle of his success yet, it was an uncertain breakthrough as it was happening (EVC Uranus on natal DSC, showing a commitment to bringing ongoing electricity, though.)" Exactly.
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Post by Ava on Jul 13, 2020 15:49:48 GMT
Thanks for your observations lumina. Getting back to Elvis... Well a brief and sad note, his only grandson committed suicide yesterday -- too horrible, and I hope it's not disrespectful to mention it. His grandson's EVC (noon birth, noon chart for yesterday) features: 26 Virgo, EVC NN (true and mean), squaring: 25 Gemini, EVC moon 27 Gemini, transiting NN 26-29 Sag, draco EVC moon-Pluto Additionally, EVC Virgo sun (9°) conjunct EVC Mercury (12°) opposing EVC Pisces Uranus (12°), square tr Venus (10° Gemini). His draco chart with draco transits are most telling but that's off topic and I don't want to delve into this much anyway. Will resume with Elvis EVCs later. |
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Post by lumina on Jul 13, 2020 16:50:30 GMT
Yes i Heard about IT. May He rest in Peace. 💙
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