LR angles conjunct SR angles

[Ava]

lumina mentioned this to me. I'm hoping she (you) will help make this thread. I'm just checking out the theory that months where the LR (lunar return) angles are conjunct SR (solar return) angles are probably highly significant.  

To begin, I'm running through each LR for this year and finding charts where the angles are conjunct my SR angles.

SR:

- 4° Aries ASC conjunct 1° Aries Chiron
- 2° Cap MC conjunct 7° Cap Jupiter and 8° Cap SN

* Note: my composite IC w/ my husband is 4° Libra, conjunct Saturn.

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Listing the month in which the LR happens:

1. February LR

- 4° Aries MC conjunct 3° Aries Chiron, square 6° Cancer NN in the 12H, 5° Cap
- 21° Cancer ASC



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2. May LR

- 6° Aries MC conjunct 8° Aries Chiron
- 23° Cancer ASC

* Note: This is my current LR, until tomorrow. Car accident with tr ASC around 4° Libra, tr MC 4° Cancer (did not note exact time.) Tr draco sun @ 18 Pisces exact on my natal moon, LR moon. 

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3. Sept LR

- 4° Cancer ASC, technically squaring SR ASC, but I thought I'd list it anyway. 
- 12° Pisces MC

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4. October LR

- 6° Libra ASC, 5° Aries Chiron on DSC
- 7° Cancer MC

Note: Moon exactly conjunct Neptune.

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5. December LR

- 5° Aries MC conjunct 4° Aries Chiron, trine 6° Sag Venus (which is my natal Venus. This coincides with my Venus Return.)
- 22° Cancer ASC opp 23° Pluto on the DSC 

Note: Moon still exactly conjunct Neptune. This takes place just before the winter solstice and during the Great Conjunction: Saturn-Jupiter @ 0 Aqua, exactly opposing my natal Saturn. Sounds like a blast. 

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Random, unrelated observation: Often my angles are around 15° Taurus/Scorpio this year, and those are my pr nodes.

Pls don't quote

[lumina]

I am actually Not Sold in that yet (have to investigate) i read IT in an article by Celeste teal.

[Ava]

@20:15

- Keep an eye on the moon (house placement, aspects) and the rising in the LR
- She recommends printing out the solar return and all lunar returns for the year, all at once, trying to piece out some kind of storyline. "Quite addicting"  
- Earlier in the video she mentions that Scorpio rising in an LR predicts an especially intense month

[lumina]

I agree.

Upon seeing a lunar Return my eyes are drawn to or seeking Out

- LR ASC, also where IT falls into the Natal

- Natal or LR planets in LR Angles, rather tightly, and what tight aspects they make. Also of course Angles overlays.

- moon in House and aspects.

And thats it.

[lumina]

Btw i have Scorpio rising in my Solar Return. ASC and Mars both on 19 Scorpio.

[lumina]

Ava

Obviously a very chironic year for you. Btw my IC is in 4.58 Aries.

I could Imagine beside February and may, october and december will BE decisive. And this might have Something to do with your marriage itself or your Perspektive in it.

[lumina]

In the year of 2016 (starting in dec. 2015) I was having SR Chiron on 17 Pisces conjunct SR IC on 16 Pisces (on my natal Juno on 16°58 Pisces) and SR Moon on 20 Pisces, conjunct this, and also opposng SR Jupiter on 22 Virgo, which I think was near the SR NN. Not sure how close though. 

the SR ASC was on 24 Scorpio (in my natal 12th house), with SR Pluto in the middle of Capricorn conjunct SR Pallas (I think around 15-16 Cap, not sure) and SR Mercury on 12 Cap. So that Pluto was on the midpoint of the minor triangle that SR Chiron made with SR Venus on 15 Scorpio (in SR 12th house and natal 11th)

As far as I saw it there were no really close angle overlays of lunar returns this year (though I think there might have been some around an orb of 6 degree or so).

Quite an eventful year, somehow combining emotionally most challenging and sad aspects with very happy ones, but those happy ones also were demanding a restructuring, so they were happy and still exhausting. 

For example the mom of my best friend died surprsingly. (end of april), I was at the funeral, of course  I was, I was asking my boss to allow me to "skip school", and he instantly did (it was my former boss, and people can say what they want about him, but in such situations he was very generous; well it was the only thing I ever asked of him, too, and I am sure he never had seen me cry, either before or afterwards. Well not really crying, but I was having tears in my eyes. I try to not cry in public, so taht was definitely far out of my comfort zone, but I was also under shock). 

2 weeks after the funeral, I was visitng the musical "PIrate queen", and there is a scene at the end of the 1st act, where they have an Iris funeral with Irish song for the father of the protagonist, and well, my best friend is half Irish, and even though her mother was German, they had been playing an Irish song at the funeral (it was her mother`s favourite one). 

After the show ended I was accompanying my aquaintances I had met there, and we were meeting P afterwards and had some chat, and it was a most... interesting encounter, but for how really great this has been (and I believe a decisive point in the development of our aquaintanceship), it was followed by some drama and then new ways of "contact" somehow. 

Then within 3 days, no 2 days in august: 
- my nephew was being born
- while I was away and seeing P on an open air stage
- the next day my aunt joined me for the next performance, at the same time my mom had to be hospitalized because she had swallowed a fishbone and needed to have it checked in hospital
- so the day after we drove home very early in the morning, to first visit my mom in hospital, and then visit my sister in law and my brother and their new born son

and actually the week after that I saw P again on a fanmeeting/ concert. He was acting strange. lol But I guess we act strange around each other  pretty much most of the time, though at least in real life contact we`ve been better lately.  


Then I think somewhen in autumn things at LL got insufferable, I was leaving, but then came back for some members, in particular Ava, and well you know our stay there was very limited from that time on. lol 

And then in december, I was, because my aquaintance made me. lol, attending the first workshop with P, right on the day my next solar return happened (actually we first crossed paths on that day within 15 minutes of my Solar Return happening. LOL How is that for timing?)


So this was a year with tremendous emotional pain, upheaval, shock, but also positive upheaval, change and expanding emotional horizons, esp. in relating to people. 

Waht it had in common was that it pushed me far out of my comfort zone. 


It is interesting, but well my mom is almost never sick, but this year she had to have a surgery (knee surgery), which was the first time she had to be in hospital since that stay 4 years ago with the fishbone incident. And well this year transiting Chiron is on my natal IC obviously. 

Well the conjunction of SR Chiron to my natal IC is rather wide with 4 degrees. Close enough to count, but not comparable to that partile one I had 4 years ago. 


Interestingly this year`s rising (19 Scorpio) is closish to the one I had back then (24 Scorpio). however 19 Scorpio falls still into my 11th house, not the 12th house natally (and actually on P´s and my Odysseus-Penelope-conjunction. ROFL and his natal Valentine, my natal Anteros). And like the year that started with the workshop, this year has Mars exact on the ASC (like I have it natally), just back then it was in Aquarius in 3rd house, this year it is in Scorpio in 11th house. 


This years SR Moon is on 12 Virgo near the SR MC on 8 Virgo, compared to the SR Moon in Pisces on the SR IC 4 years ago. 
And this year Jupiter is on the SN, and back then it was on the NN. 

And some other stuff, that seem to sort of "connect" both years somehow. 


Anyway, my mom had surgery at the end of may (and actually a friend from sweden had some kind of heart surgery this monday), but Tr Chiron had already been over my natal IC, and was actually in partile opposition to my Pluto on my MC

[anela]

My next LR has a Scorpio ascendant, and so did the one from the end of March. April was actually better than May or this month - I mostly kept to myself, and felt miserable half the time, but it was better. I had Moon conjunct Venus in that one, and will in the next one, too.

The one from April 25th, had Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto in the 12th house, and it felt like it. I also have Pluto square my Ceres/Chiron/Sun, and that is going to be in aspect for a while. It will move backwards and forwards, and affect everything else. It trines my Moon return every time, so far. So does Saturn.

I don't remember my SR, but it didn't look good, from the quick glance that I took.

I was thinking about asking a friend to stay for a weekend - one of my best LL friends, who lives here in Ohio - but she's still recovering from Covid, she's had a horrible year so far, and now someone she loves is in the hospital, so that isn't going to happen. This month's lunar return doesn't look bad, but it has sucked, big time. Mercury conjunct Venus in the 11th, Sun conjunct Moon there, too. Sounds good, right? Except for that square to Mars. At least cutting ties with someone, cut out half of what had me feeling so bad. The next lunar return has Mercury opposed Pluto. Kill me now.

This is my SR for this year:



As far as I can see, the LR angles tend to square the SR angles, for the past few months.

This is my current LR:



This is the next one:

[lumina]

anela

I Like the next one better. Also Mercury ist Not opposite Pluto. Astro com uses ridiculous orbs, at least for Return Charts they need to BE tighter, Not necessarily exact, but 10 degree orb is really too much.

Also, in Return Charts i find that tight Neptune squares really Suck. I think i have IT too. Hmm seems there will be sun square neptune in the next one of yours.

IT Sounds though that the current LR für you Made you make necessary decusions, and while they might Hurt, they make way for a new chapter. In so far the new moon already showed itself. And Well squares to Mars are difficult of course.

I usually get into Arguments or disagreements If Pluto is in the 3rd House of a LR. I Just noticed that.

Anyway you have some challenging transits. I could Imagine These challenges to become prominent in months when the Transit becomes Partile and or the Natal or transiting planets becominging angular in a LR Angles.

Well your sr already has IT exact, angular and sun even ruling the Return.

This whole year will have you transform the solar part of your life.

[Ava]

Jun 12, 2020 19:02:45 GMT anela said:

This month's lunar return doesn't look bad, but it has sucked, big time. Mercury conjunct Venus in the 11th, Sun conjunct Moon there, too. Sounds good, right? Except for that square to Mars. At least cutting ties with someone, cut out half of what had me feeling so bad.

Well Chiron is on the MC and isn't that near your natal Jupiter? So that looks potentially hard. The new moon in the chart goes well with the new beginning created by cutting someone out who was bothering you.

[Ava]

Sorry for this late reply. The topic is still so new and speculative for me, there are these vacancies in my mind where facts and opinions ought to dwell, considering I started this thread. I just don't know yet.

Jun 12, 2020 18:12:42 GMT lumina said:

In the year of 2016 (starting in dec. 2015) I was having SR Chiron on 17 Pisces conjunct SR IC on 16 Pisces (on my natal Juno on 16°58 Pisces) and SR Moon on 20 Pisces, conjunct this, and also opposng SR Jupiter on 22 Virgo, which I think was near the SR NN. Not sure how close though. 

the SR ASC was on 24 Scorpio (in my natal 12th house), with SR Pluto in the middle of Capricorn conjunct SR Pallas (I think around 15-16 Cap, not sure) and SR Mercury on 12 Cap. So that Pluto was on the midpoint of the minor triangle that SR Chiron made with SR Venus on 15 Scorpio (in SR 12th house and natal 11th)
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Quite an eventful year, somehow combining emotionally most challenging and sad aspects with very happy ones, but those happy ones also were demanding a restructuring, so they were happy and still exhausting. 
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So this was a year with tremendous emotional pain, upheaval, shock, but also positive upheaval, change and expanding emotional horizons, esp. in relating to people. 

Waht it had in common was that it pushed me far out of my comfort zone. 

I think it's all fascinating. Pisces moon-Chiron on the IC would be quite a lot to cope with! What house did the August events fall into, in that SR?

It's funny you mentioned me there as it sounds like my moon was on your moon-Chiron-IC? So even if you decided to break contact, I would have dream-stalked you, so it's good you chose the more controllable, 3D friendship.

Speaking of Chiron on the angles, with my rectified chart I have Chiron on the MC. My daughter definitely has Chiron on the MC and I assume she got that from me (it's even conjunct my DNA).

Jun 12, 2020 18:12:42 GMT lumina said:

It is interesting, but well my mom is almost never sick, but this year she had to have a surgery (knee surgery), which was the first time she had to be in hospital since that stay 4 years ago with the fishbone incident. And well this year transiting Chiron is on my natal IC obviously. 
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And some other stuff, that seem to sort of "connect" both years somehow.

That is all very interesting!

Well speaking of connecting times, my LR for this month has the ASC @ 15 Scorpio. The year I met and got engaged to my husband, SR has ASC-Chiron @ 16-17 Scorpio. SR for the following year, in which we got married, has ASC-Uranus exact and MC-Chiron. IC @ 1 Gemini conjunct my natal Ceres exact and I got pregnant right away. NN and moon both in the 7th for that SR.

* Oh this is real, on-topic data! DSC of the LR for my wedding day is @ 1 Gemini. So, SR IC = LR DSC for my wedding. Furthermore

LR ASC-Chiron conjunct SR MC-Chiron
LR (natal) moon conjunct LR IC, about 2°

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I have to do the predictable thing and talk about draconic charts. I saved this month's LR and created a synastry bi-wheel with my SR. Nothing much turned up in tropical but the draco features: 

LR DSC exactly conjunct SR moon @ 16 Aqua
LR sun in the 8th exactly conjunct SR IC @ 23 Pisces
LR MC exactly conjunct my draconic sun @ 25 Taurus

So maybe those are degrees to look out for in the upcoming month. 

[lumina]

Ava

"The topic is still so new and speculative for me, there are these vacancies in my mind where facts and opinions ought to dwell, considering I started this thread. I just don't know yet.
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Same here. Just collecting informations and blurting out thoughts. might be wrong or right, only time will tell I guess. 




"I think it's all fascinating. Pisces moon-Chiron on the IC would be quite a lot to cope with!"
It was. I certainly was being put through the emotional wringer. But not necessaarily in a soley bad way.
Beside the tragedy, there were such happy moments too. But happy in a different way, not the lucky, easy, extrovert bubbling kind, more internal I think? And surprising. A lot of surprises that year. lol I forgot to mention, but this was also the year that my aquaintance asked me to accompany her to a premiere of the musical "Dracula" in which I sort of saw C again (you know, "music of the night" C) 

I remember coming back home from that premiere P and his best friend did that first live video, which was also a new oiut of comfort zone experience to me; well actually last month, when he sort of just sponatneously forced us into a zoom-meeting, that felt almost similiar to me. pushing at my comfort zone. I mean video meeting is different than live video. I can write a lot online, but it feels so weird seeing myself and of course all the others too, and knowing they can see me, too. Very weird, but in a way funny (it seems to me that I slowly get more adaptable, or the time I need to adapt to new situations like this, is getting shorter, maybe I gained in confidence over the years)

Gettin slightly off topic  



"What house did the August events fall into, in that SR?
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My nephew was born with Sun at 12 Leo, so for these three days Sun was transiting 12-14 Leo. That fell into the 9th house of the Solar Return which makes sense considering I was on a trip (even though still within Germany). 

Interestingly I realized that the Lunar return, for that month, whihc started 2 weeks earlier, had a conjunction of Venus on 11 Leo and Mercury on 14 Leo, as Apex of a Yod with Neptune (11 Pisces), SN (13 Pisces) and Pluto (15 Cap). 

These three days in question the Sun was transiting the LR Venus-Mercury-conjunction in the LR 11th house, SR 9th house, natal intercepted 8th house. 
BTW I find it sort of cool that my brother, his son and me all have Neptune tied to the nodal axis. Well maybe not cool, but intriguing. I have it on the NN, they both have it on the SN. Actually his daughter has Neptune on 18 Pisces trine NN on 17 Cancer. not a conjunction, but a trine, and such a watery one at that. lol 
(Funny enough just realized that my Jupiter conjuncts my nephews SN, and my Saturn conjuncts my niece`s NN)






"It's funny you mentioned me there as it sounds like my moon was on your moon-Chiron-IC? So even if you decided to break contact, I would have dream-stalked you, so it's good you chose the more controllable, 3D friendship.
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Haha exactly, just taking precaution measures. lol Never wanted to break contact with you though, just felt I had to get out of the madhouse full of vipers and venom.




"Well speaking of connecting times, my LR for this month has the ASC @ 15 Scorpio. The year I met and got engaged to my husband, SR has ASC-Chiron @ 16-17 Scorpio. SR for the following year, in which we got married, has ASC-Uranus exact and MC-Chiron. IC @ 1 Gemini conjunct my natal Ceres exact and I got pregnant right away. NN and moon both in the 7th for that SR.
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So cool!

It really boggles my mind how prominent Chiron seems to be at REALLY important junctures in life. Especially if it involves crossing from one thing to the other, like marriage is or definitely birth. But then again Chiron IS the crosser between personal/ social and transpersonal so maybe it just makes sense that he is present then. 




* Oh this is real, on-topic data! DSC of the LR for my wedding day is @ 1 Gemini. So, SR IC = LR DSC for my wedding. Furthermore

That is just wow!
(BTW my parents married with Sun at 2 or 3 Gemini, I actually met P with Sun being at 2 Gemini, something about that time)


 have to do the predictable thing and talk about draconic charts. I saved this month's LR and created a synastry bi-wheel with my SR. Nothing much turned up in tropical
but the draco features:

Is this both in draco? And did you use the true or the mean node for this? 

"LR DSC exactly conjunct SR moon @ 16 Aqua

LR sun in the 8th exactly conjunct SR IC @ 23 Pisces

LR MC exactly conjunct my draconic sun @ 25 Taurus
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Really impressive!

(your SR Moon on my natal Moon - you won`t get rid of me this year. lol Actually my best friend has her Draco Sun on 16 Aqua I believe, conjunct my Moon, and I have my Draco Sun conjunct her tropical Moon)

But for you this looks like a very impactful month, definitely on the DRaco level. 






So maybe those are degrees to look out for in the upcoming month.


I think so. Wold be interesting to see if something comes up when Moon is transiting there, or anything else of course, but I think transiting Sun won`t kick these off, at least not in a conjunction, maybe next month, with an opposition to SR Moon, not sure about the draco transits though, you probably know better than me about those. 

[lumina]

My current lunar return. It should be fairly important, as after the almost complete at home months, I will (have to) get out a bit more again.

[lumina]

This is my sr btw

[lumina]

The draco synastry, for this month, sr in the inner ring



Ava
Btw M, P`s best friends, nodal axis is overlaying this. his true NN is at 10 Leo, his mean NN at 8 Leo. 

[Ava]

Thanks for your replies lumina ,

Trying to keep this on the short side just so the thread doesn't get super long...

"That fell into the 9th house of the Solar Return which makes sense considering I was on a trip (even though still within Germany)."

How about that! So fitting.

"BTW I find it sort of cool that my brother, his son and me all have Neptune tied to the nodal axis. "

I love it. Your mother's NN in Pisces?

"Is this both in draco? And did you use the true or the mean node for this?"

All in draco, true node. There's a bit of orb with some of that if I switch to mean node (1°). Just saw my daughter's name is @ 25 Taurus (true node) in my SR, so this month's draco LR MC highlights that, and she's going for an interview tomorrow...maybe the tr tropical moon will be there when she gets hired (fingers crossed).

"your SR Moon on my natal Moon - you won`t get rid of me this year."

Oh trust me, I'm not trying. LOL

"My current lunar return. It should be fairly important, as after the almost complete at home months, I will (have to) get out a bit more again."

Taurus MC conjunct Eros-Uranus. In draco this falls in Aqua and opposes SR Leo ASC-Mars. If you do go out, what will happen?! Looks provocative. And how funny that I made this thread and immediately you have an example (though in draco.) 

"Btw M, P`s best friends, nodal axis is overlaying this. his true NN is at 10 Leo, his mean NN at 8 Leo. "

Ah, and you've been in communication with him, though this isn't provocative. lol Maybe it's something else entirely, maybe he'll be there as a conduit for a new kind of experience. 


This morning I checked all my LRs for this year and I am really curious about what's going on in August and September. There does seem to be a story-sequence.

August has 27 Virgo ASC, 26 Gem MC conjunct Venus-NN. September has Cap Jupiter-Pluto on the ASC and then many planets in the 25-26° range: 26 Cap Saturn, 27 Aries Mars, 26 Gem NN, 26 Cancer Venus (7H), 25 Virgo Mercury.

So August's ASC becomes September's Mercury, and August's MC-Venus-NN becomes Septembers's very highly aspected NN. Hmm.

All tropical, not even getting into the draco there.

I'm in a rush, may come back later with more.

[lumina]

Ava


"rying to keep this on the short side just so the thread doesn't get super long...
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good idea. but you know me. Trying to keep it short now, too. 


"I love it. Your mother's NN in Pisces?
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8 degrees. conjunct MC exact for her. 


"All in draco, true node. There's a bit of orb with some of that if I switch to mean node (1°)."
Just asking cause I  never know what to use. Most astrologers including Forrest seem to claim that the mean node works better, but the true node is, well you know, the true node. Sometimes it makes a Difference in Draco if looking out for same degree aspects. Also sometimes the orb tightens or loosens. So I just don`t know. 




"Just saw my daughter's name is @ 25 Taurus (true node) in my SR, so this month's draco LR MC highlights that, and she's going for an interview tomorrow...maybe the tr tropical moon will be there when she gets hired (fingers crossed).
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Fingers crossed here too for the two of you. 




"Taurus MC conjunct Eros-Uranus. In draco this falls in Aqua and opposes SR Leo ASC-Mars. If you do go out, what will happen?! Looks provocative. And how funny that I made this thread and immediately you have an example (though in draco.)
"
LOL Yes, and I did not know that then. Well this axis overlays some progressed positions too. 
Not sure if something will happen, but if it does, it might be surprising. lol 
Curiously enough the tropical version (the Scorpio end) falls onto P`s name in our composite which conjuncts composite Uranus anyway. pr composite (tropical) has Mars at 10 or 11 Scorpio I think. (well this also opposes his Chiron on 9 Taurus).

Anyway I just noticed that Uranus and Eros on the MC - haha just remember that this is sort of similiar to the composite, not exactly the same position though, but 
c-Uranus 12 Scorpio
c-MC 16 Scorpio
c-Eros 14°59 Taurus
c-Priapus 15 Taurus

But well this has nothing to do with him of course, this is just my lunar - solar overlay, I do have Draconic Eros on 10 or 11 Scorpio btw. 

"Ah, and you've been in communication with him, though this isn't provocative. lol "
You remember me feeling we hit a real "raw spot" in communication, with that silent disagreement or whatever that was? I think I might have been NOT imagining this. Well I had been of course in that short convo with his podcast friend, and thought it was okay after that. But obviously THEy weren`t really done with it, or as the friend said: "Following the feedback we received and giving it more thought, it was a deep need for us to talk some more about it and in depth."
And they basically were doing exactly that, for 10-15 minutes or so. lol (well I won`t go over the fb route to answer that, this is too expansive, so I will compose an email to them). Well generally we do agree on most things (and I simply got the meaning of that hashtag wrong, I mean how it is used, and they did that research in the meantime). And particularly M was very calm. I mean I could literally sense him putting effort in being calm, not that he was upset, but almost like he didn`t want to erupt again and risk alienating someone (me?). He actually sounded like I sometimes do, after something has really taken an emotional toll on me, like some emotional hurricane having raced through my life, and after it, I am picking up the pieces and re-build myself in a way, and figuring out how to get back into balance. Anyway I found it interesting that they did not just were brushing this aside (as they could have, I mean it was not even a real disagreement, and one could just have let it go, but I guess that is not how M and I operate, unlike P and me, we seem to have to discuss it out, in one way or another, like really getting into it and not leaving anything too open. Weird. Maybe it is the Moon in Sag and stellium in Aqua in our composite with a few cappy planets strewn in,i ncluding Mercury I believe)

sorry this got long. 





"So August's ASC becomes September's Mercury, and August's MC-Venus-NN becomes Septembers's very highly aspected NN. Hmm.
"
That is so interesting. Can`t wait for the feedback. 

I want to go through my returns too, but like you I am in a rush, and workwise it is a little bit stressful at the moment 

[Ava]

Hi lumina

"Anyway I just noticed that Uranus and Eros on the MC - haha just remember that this is sort of similiar to the composite, not exactly the same position though, but
c-Uranus 12 Scorpio
c-MC 16 Scorpio
c-Eros 14°59 Taurus
c-Priapus 15 Taurus"

And yet you pose fully dressed in front of the woods? smh

I'm going to eat a whole cornfield of popcorn watching every little twist and turn in this saga, until you two finally realize what that composite MC is telling you to do.

"Following the feedback we received and giving it more thought, it was a deep need for us to talk some more about it and in depth."

Wow. I am really impressed but not exactly surprised. I suspect it was you who nudged him towards a deeper contemplation. For good reason, he trusts your judgment and instincts. I always forget his birth year and therefore, his chart.


"I want to go through my returns too, but like you I am in a rush"

Well if you find the time and interest, I'm curious if you find anything (or not).

Just checking my parents' deaths briefly to see if there are linkages between SR and LR...probably did this before, but I forget.

Mother..no LR to SR angle conjunctions. However

-LR sun-Mars opposition conjunct SR ASC-DSC axis (Sag/Gem)
-LR Saturn conjunct SR Mercury exact (Cap)
-SR IC conjunct LR moon (ie, my rectified chart moon @ 18.12 Pisces) in LR 1st house, conjunct draco SR Venus @ 18.12 Pisces. So this is *mirrored* by the LR's MC conjunct Venus...Venus on the IC-MC axis in both, sort of.

Perhaps what set this LR apart and looks like a timing-tool in retrospect is Sag sun-Venus on the MC. Because how often do we have an LR taking place around noon? And the LR sun is conjunct SR ASC as I noted above.

2 Sag, SR ASC
4 Sag, LR sun
6 Sag, my natal Venus
9 Sag, LR MC
10 Sag, my draco Saturn
10 Sag, LR Venus


LR has Aqua late rising; draco SR has draco sun @ 4° Aqua tightly conjunct my natal Mercury. I wonder if that matters even if those are not conjunct.

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Father:

Well this is weird. The SR has sun-Mercury on the ASC. It's weird because in the SR with my mother, draco SR ASC is @ 15 Cap, exact on my tropical SR sun-Saturn. So you see, sun-ASC with both SRs if we take draco into account...which we always should, as we see...

Oh. Even weirder now, draco LR sun is @ 15 Cap. Conjunct tropical SR ASC-sun-Mercury and transiting sun-Mercury. Aaack, too much to juggle here.

Trying to keep this clear without being repetitive. There is a pattern: With my mother, LR sun conjunct tropical SR ASC on my natal Venus (along with draco SR ASC conjunct SR sun); with my father, LR draco sun conjunct tropical SR ASC-sun on my natal sun (thus another SR ASC conjunct SR sun). 

Put all that in bold because it's the main thing these days have in common. And beyond this, tr tropical sun was exactly conjunct my natal draco ASC when my mother passed, so yet ANOTHER sun-ASC conjunction.

I need to clean all this up later.  I mean how many ways can the sun and ASC be conjunct??


 

[lumina]

Ava

Just finally had the time watching the video you posted. Really liked that a lot and her presentation. And yes, thankfully someone not getti g so caught up in 10th house =career. Yes, it can be that, but there is sooooo much more to it.

Interestingly her Moon is exactly conjunct my mid heaven.

She also made me connect some dots, well i was knowing that before but had not combined them. About the 2nd house relativ g to the senses and nutrition. And well in my solar return with scorpio rising, there ist that fat stellium in 2nd house including saturn and pluto.

And I have shed about 13 kilos since February. Which brings me back to 2018, I sort of got off track after then, but well feeling better now. Of course there are some other things to work on still, physically and otherwise, but Def. Healthier than in february/March. To be honest I think on a personal level the lock down was mich necessary for me, to put outer life on a hold. I wouldn't have been doing that otherwise. And it was needed. Just for me personally, of course on any other respect it is a global Desaster. But I think I used it for some self work, which hopefully was good and will be helpful for what is to come.

[lumina]

Ava


"And yet you pose fully dressed in front of the woods? smh
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LOL 
Well it is in the 4th house, so under the surface. 4th house represents midnight, so it is probably not for the outer world to see.  
It is additionally disposited by Cappy-Venus in 12th house (which also trines it very tightly), so possibly we might be very different from how we seem to be to the eyes of the world. 




"'m going to eat a whole cornfield of popcorn watching every little twist and turn in this saga, until you two finally realize what that composite MC is telling you to do.
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LOL. Well, the little asteroid "Astraea" (which is not that little actually, one of the first named ones), is exactly conjunct our MC. (her number is 5). So we possibly simply don`t know when to let it go. 

Also with Uranus as most elevated planet and conjunct that MC, and the rising being in Aquarius, the answer to the question might be a surprising one. It is so weird though, this mix of Uranus and scorpio-energy. lol
Of course pretty much everyone in my generation has it, but here it is just made so prominent, there on the MC.



"Wow. I am really impressed but not exactly surprised. I suspect it was you who nudged him towards a deeper contemplation. For good reason, he trusts your judgment and instincts. I always forget his birth year and therefore, his chart.
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Yeah I guess this was an echo to me. I think the year is 1981, he was born, I always forget, but his Moon is in Virgo, Sun, Venus, Mercury in Pisces and Mars in aries, I have it stored of course, the chart, but am too lazy to look it up right now. lol 



"Well if you find the time and interest, I'm curious if you find anything (or not)."
Still have to do it, but I think I noticed 

a) angular Uranus coming up especially in the next months (even extending into next Solar Return phase)
b) 13-18 Cancer on an angle (which I notice as my natal Saturn is at 16°57 Cancer)

Also I realized that my last Lunar Return (mid may - 9th june), seemed to foreshadow my next Solar Return. 
The LR had Aquarius rising at 3 Degrees I think and Mercury on 4 Gemini right on the IC. 

my next Solar Return will have Aquarius rising at 10 degrees, and a whole load of planets in 12th house including Moon at 3 Aquarius, Saturn at 00 Aquarius, Jupiter at 29 Cap and I do not know what else. OH yes Pluto at 23 Cap I believe. Well 12th house stellium does not sound like something to look forward to  
On the other hand I have had several years with SR Moon in 12t house in recent years, maybe have to look up those in more detail. However cannot remember a stellium there. Well I had a fat stellium in 6th house in 2018, that I dreaded a LOT, but it became a most glamourous year. LOL 

Anyway, that new SR will have that stellium sextile SR Venus on 2 or 3 Sag, close to my SR MC (not exactly sure but might be on 8 Sag), and being conjunct SR Juno on 29 Scorpio (well really tight sextiles from Moon to Venus, and Jupiter to Juno in particular). Don`t see any other aspects to the Moon or stellium (well Pluto squares Mars, that is not so grand, but Pluto is a little detached from the Moon-Saturn-Jupiter conjunction, and eventually Moon will progress to the ASC, around half a year into the Return,a nd by then will also tighten a square to Uranus, so I guess I should not even try thinking about that REturn chart, probably it will be completely different anyway. lol)

Moon in Aqua, ASC in Aqua, disposited by Uranus which will square the ASC - seems rather different from this yea`s Scorpio-ASC conjunct Mars, and exactly sextile Saturn. also sextile Pluto. 
Well the Mars-Pluto-sextile of this year becomes a square next year. The Moon-Venus-sesisquare this year becomes a sextile next year. *shrugs* Can`t change it anyway. 

Well this last lunar Return had ASC also in Aqua and right on the next SR Moon, and the LR MC of last month falling right onto next SR Venus (and LR Mercury being opposite), so I thought that was interesting. 

Of course there are still differences, like my SR will have an Aries Mars, not a Pisces one (I guess both years have a bit of a "Don`t piss me off, world" vibe. LOL I mean from a Mars in Scorpio to a Mars in Aries. Interesting)



"I need to clean all this up later. I mean how many ways can the sun and ASC be conjunct??
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That is astonishing! Usually one would see that in a more positive light, but really both are neutral signals, and what it shows is just that your life and identity and environment would be majorly shaped by events. Sadly they were such sad events.

WEre there any mean inconjuncts or squares happening?