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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 3:02:01 GMT
It's the Dragon module carrying the astronauts...nice match for Mercury on the NN (dragon's head) in Gemini. Mercury rules vehicles I think? NN-Mercury in the 9th, ideal for travel. The moon-Uranus conjunction and opposition in this natal-to-draco chart concern me a little bit...draco Chiron falling in the event char'ts third house, suggesting some bad news is possible. Sun's in the 8th opposing fiery draco Mars in the 2nd. What really concerns me is the transiting angles bumping into Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn, however... 10 minutes after expected launch time, Pluto is exactly on the IC, and 20 minutes later, tr ASC is conjunct draconic Pluto, so hopefully this is all in the clear. Leo moon in the 10th house and draco first house, sextile the sun, would be great for a celebration. Transiting sun/moon midpoint on Musk's natal sun. Any thoughts?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 27, 2020 15:05:02 GMT
I'm not sure what to think yet, honestly. 'Will have to see how this plays out. On the one hand, encouraging commercial participation might leave the system vulnerable to exploitation. But even in non-commercial endeavours, there's no guarantee of intentions.
On the other hand, it might spur diversification and healthy competition for safer, more efficient travel. Best case, I hope this gives rise to transparent ethics and safety councils that are independent of these commercial interests. Can't help but think about all the controversy around the decision to launch the Challenger (R.I.P).
IMO, commercialization is almost inevitable. It's good that they're opening the door themselves, so they can monitor how it unfolds. All the best to these guys, I hope they have a safe trip. <3
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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 20:11:50 GMT
Well said 12YearsABlob, thank you for articulating the issue. I get excited when they talk about how this is a "new era" and the end objective is to get regular people into space...which was my main goal in life when I was young, by the way. I'm watching live here:
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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 20:25:22 GMT
Launch abort announced here ^ @ 16:17..."scrub sequence" matches the angular Pluto during expected launch time. Next attempt 3:22 pm EST on Saturday
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 27, 2020 20:52:29 GMT
Oh shit, I just realized TODAY is Wednesday!
Aww shucks, next attempt Saturday, huh? There's so much going on in that chart.
:ETA: That Sun-Uranus semi-sextile shows the start/stop quality of this mission. It can be hard to get anything accomplished during a Mars-Neptune transit - the energy sort of dissipates. However, having Neptune involved is crucial for us to even be reaching for such lofty goals (along with Jupiter/Uranus). It's interesting that Pallas is in Aquarius, conjunct both Jupiter & Saturn. Bringing vision to reality?
Nearly all of the personal planets are in mutable signs. The chart ruler is in the 9th - fits. It's in Gemini, and Mercury is still on the NN, but separating. Mercury on the MC is also pretty cool.
I'm worried about all the sesqui-quadrates ans semi-squares. Looks like a lot of internal friction.
The draconic to natal synastry is also quite a lot to take in. DW mercury-node squares. The angles line up, but so do Chiron and the MC - yikes. But maybe there's a benevolence watching over everything, with draconic Sun-Venus blessing that tropical Mars-Neptune conjunction and draco Jupiter trining the nodes. I'm gonna stop looking before I tie myself into knots.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 27, 2020 20:58:02 GMT
Well said 12YearsABlob , thank you for articulating the issue. I get excited when they talk about how this is a "new era" and the end objective is to get regular people into space...which was my main goal in life when I was young, by the way. May still happen in this lifetime.....fingers crossed! Whole new branch of tourism too.
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Post by anela on May 28, 2020 0:02:07 GMT
I was waiting for this, and then saw that it was cancelled. I'm glad that someone mentioned it's Saturday, for the next try, because my mind is a little muddled time-wise, and I thought it was two weeks away.
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2020 18:33:47 GMT
my mind is a little muddled time-wise, and I thought it was two weeks away. Double checked and yes, next try will be the 30th. 12YearsABlob , Thanks for your analysis! SO GOOD. "But maybe there's a benevolence watching over everything, with draconic Sun-Venus blessing that tropical Mars-Neptune conjunction and draco Jupiter trining the nodes." Haha, yes! I kinda felt that but it didn't form into words like that. Then you got an angelic 12H moon in hawkeyed Virgo overseeing the 6H Mars-Neptune and draco sun on the 6H cusp (details, details). From a technical standpoint it looks like things are poised for success, but I can't get over angular Chiron. Unless it's there healing something (like the nation's hopelessness about so many other things?) Well no matter what happens with something like this, Chiron is evident. (Successful launch, healing; postponed launch, disappointment; failed launch, explosion and tragedy and figuring out how to heal that situation.) Just looked it up and Chiron is exactly on the Venus/Saturn midpoint at 8 Aries, Sabian for 9 Aries is: A SEER GAZES INTENTLY INTO A CRYSTAL BALL IN FRONT OF THEM Yeah, that's what I'm doing...thanks for the help ^^^ I don't see enough evidence here to support a failed launch prediction. Certain things are concerning, and if a launch occurs, perhaps not everything will succeed or go as planned. Maybe some touch-and-go. Uranus in the 8th, on the sun-Chiron midpoint, but the orb is 45 minutes. Venus and Mercury out of bounds.... Let's see what the other disasters might have had in common? www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Challenger_DisasterWow, NASA pays dearly for not having an astrologer guiding them in their work. They picked Aqua sun-Mercury squaring angular nodes and Pluto for launch time, with Uranus in the 8th...that's just inexcusable. www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Columbia_Disaster_(STS_107)I don't like that either. Mars on the MC is a fire hazard, Aqua ASC conjunct chart ruler Uranus which is squaring the nodes. Sun stellium opp Jupiter, some overconfidence, hubris. And that was indeed the case according to this article I read a long time ago...great investigative reporting by one of my favorite authors: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/11/columbias-last-flight/304204/"Responsibility for disposing of the incident lay with engineers on the ground, and specifically with the Mission Management Team, or MMT, whose purpose was to make decisions about the problems and unscripted events that inevitably arose during any flight. The MMT was a high-level group. In the Houston hierarchy it operated above the flight controllers in the Mission Control room, and just below the shuttle program manager, Ron Dittemore. Dittemore was traveling at the time, and has since retired. The MMT meetings were chaired by his protégé, the once rising Linda Ham, who has come to embody NASA’s arrogance and insularity in many observers’ minds." Too bad I can't find Ham's birthday. The wiki article about her contains this.... "The CAIB report released August 26, 2003 concluded that the physical cause of the destruction of Columbia was damage to the Shuttle's left wing caused by the foam strike during launch.[14] The board also determined that several organizational and human factors contributed to the disaster. These included: Reliance on past success as substitute for sound engineering practices; organizational barriers that prevented effective communication of critical safety information and stifled professional differences of opinion; lack of integrated management across program elements; and the evolution of an informal chain of command and decision-making processes that operated outside the organization's rules."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Ham It sorta matches the chart, with the new moon conjunct Neptune in Aquarius...disorganization and snobbery, which is Aqua at its worst (we high-level people don't rub shoulders with the low tech engineers). But this was a new moon chart signaling a change to those sorts of errors and creating hopefully a more respectful work environment and better coordination for future projects at NASA. Just not the space shuttle program. I didn't mean for this to get so long. Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2020 18:49:41 GMT
Oops, forgot to try and find commonalities between the shuttle disaster charts...sun in Aqua is the obvious one. Nasa's chart is impressive and so fitting... www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_NASASo when the sun transits early Aqua it's squaring Nasa's Neptune and opposing its sun-Uranus conjunction. (Random side note, it's funny to me how much I always loved NASA and how much its chart resembles my husband's.😂) Pls don't quote
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 28, 2020 21:09:43 GMT
Ava , Yes, I can't get over angular Chiron and 8th house Uranus either. Don't wanna talk about it too much and jinx it, but I agree with your analysis up there. Thank you for linking those other charts! What's unsettling about the Challenger case is that they had multiple warnings and went through with it anyway. Looks like NASA's potential for genius as well as its "fatal flaws" are pretty clear in their natal chart. It's a brilliant chart, but not without it's share of challenges. IMO, the Challenger in particular highlighted that grand cross involving Neptune. I've also been a fan and it makes me happy to see this chart.
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Post by Ava on May 30, 2020 15:35:17 GMT
Thanks 12YearsABlob ...I don't want to jinx it either, but after yesterday's launch failure, I decided to see where Atropos is transiting. (Using time listed here.) ^ Draco sun-Atropos on tropical Mars. Rioting fires also match that picture pretty accurately. --- Thanks for telling me about the Challenger, I haven't looked into that one... Hoping beyond hope there is no disaster today.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 30, 2020 15:56:35 GMT
^ Draco sun-Atropos on tropical Mars. Rioting fires also match that picture pretty accurately. Omg, you thought of checking Atropos and there it is!! Uncanny. Fingers and toes and everything crossed for today.
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Post by Ava on May 30, 2020 23:08:13 GMT
So far so good! Thank you for crossing your toes 12YearsABlob. Every bit of luck helps.
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