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Post by midnight on May 26, 2020 23:15:08 GMT
Was thinking about it for the whole day but can't seem to organize my thoughts properly. My conjunction is in the 3H btw.
I need to read that Cafe Astrology article. I usually like their descriptions, so I wonder if this one will be accurate. Never thought of this aspect before tbh.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 1:26:43 GMT
Yeah, I have zero chill. I’ve known for some considerable time that I loathe having to tell other people what to do—however, when people demonstrate what I consider to be a lack of common sense, and it affects me in any way, I’m instantly pissed. This comes out as a nervous, irritable tension until it’s not, and then I’m REALLY pissed. My words cut, but I’m not physically violent. Consequently, I spend a lot of time apologizing for things I wish I hadn’t said.
I’ll get back to this, I’ve been thinking about how to describe it, too.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 1:36:22 GMT
I feel like this aspect is often just waiting in a simmering rage for other people to stop making stupid choices that affect us—trying to maintain the dignity, structure, and self control of Saturn, and then a volcanic upheaval from Pluto like “DO IT MY WAY BEFORE I GO DARTH VADER ON YOUR @ss!” 😂😭🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 1:38:09 GMT
Oh, side note—Saturn the Jerk is currently squaring my natal Uranus/IC, so I’m a little more pessimistic than usual, lol.
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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 2:25:06 GMT
LOL I really can't even imagine you that way Violets. You're really nice, and I appreciate it a lot. I don't want to sound like I am pointing fingers at anyone here with the aspect...but yeah, my mother often had that "I'm about to boil over" vibe...like she was in some kind of pressure cooker of her own making and design. I say that because she could blow stuff out of proportion. It's like she was trying to channel a lot of pent-up frustration through minor events. For instance once I spent too much money on stickers at the toy store (it was only like $5 and a real dream come true for me) and she called the store, totally hostile, blaming them for letting me be so extravagant, and then she forced me to return the stickers by myself, facing up to these people she just skewered. And I was like six years old. Okayyyy Lots of incidents like that where the punishment didn't fit the crime. The punishments weren't abusive in a classic sense but felt like misdirected fury. Once I sorta got hit by a car (age 9), the lady skid over my foot and smeared my toes together, so I ran inside to clean up and she was still there when my mom got home. Without even asking for my side of the story, my mom apologized to her profusely for my negligence and recklessness, trying to put the distraught woman at ease. Yeah okay I'm a Pisces moon, I didn't like seeing the lady crying either, but to put it ALL on me...why do that? Like, I just got hit by a car, now I gotta hear about how it's automatically my fault, no trial or anything, just "Oh she's trouble. Darts in front of cars. My damn kid." She was usually calm and contained though, emotionally warm. When the hard aspects are well functioning they seem to epitomize the most ideal combination of the energies...like Bruce Lee. I have these bitter memories though (her Pluto conjunct Ceres, on my Saturn. Tough love sometimes.) Pls don't quote, not even sure I want to say this, just in a mood.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 3:42:12 GMT
Ava, that sounds exactly the way I have to try very hard NOT to be with my kids—especially my oldest, whose Saturn is also conjunct my Pluto (and my husband’s Uranus, yipee). “A pressure cooker of our own design”, that sums it up perfectly, and kind of sadly. Like we don’t WANT to be that way, and we (at least for myself) spend so much effort trying NOT to be like that, that when we finally boil over it’s often misdirected and disproportionate. I work on this constantly in my personal life, but yeah...I really dislike this aspect. I would say it’s absolutely worse even than my natal Pluto/Venus opposition, and that one has been a real source of heaviness, to put it nicely. Also, I’m sorry she reacted that way. ❤️
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 3:44:08 GMT
Ava, thanks for telling me that I’m nice, lol. I try to be. 💕
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 3:58:19 GMT
The mixed blessing of this aspect for me is that, since my son also has it, I can completely relate to and respect a lot of his frustration when he can’t do something his way, or when someone/something is really touching that nerve for him. I don’t mind giving him extra space with a lot of things. Unfortunately, we can also really have clashes of will because our aspects connect to each other, but we still have a solid bond.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 5:13:28 GMT
I’m just adding what comes to mind about Saturn/Pluto hard aspects, don’t mind me...
—Edit—I just noticed that the two guys I’m mentioning, and myself, all have hard Mars/Uranus aspects. I suppose it would make sense that aspects like that would exacerbate the energy of Saturn/Pluto, compared to other people who are more mellow about it... I mean, I’m not generally a raging person, but I can get that way, at least internally, if I don’t have time to decompress in quiet.
...I dated one person (an openly sadistic nightmare of a guy whose spiritual energy is still an ongoing disturbance to me at best) who had Mars/Uranus/Pluto conjunct in his 12th house, all in opposition to his Saturn. That was a decade-long horrendous experience, but the cruelty and need for control (and the rage) were very apparent in this guy. I could start a new asteroid thread looking at his chart compared to mine and my husband’s, with Karma conjunct Isis/Osiris, nodal conjunctions, etc. Anyway.
Another guy I dated has the square (we’re two years apart), and I’ll want to think on that. We’ve known each other since junior high, and were always...there for each other. However, I had to cut off friendship with him, because as he’s gotten older he’s become more of the openly raging type, and I honestly think he’s emotionally unstable at this point. His story is considerably sadder than the other guy’s, including a childhood of epilepsy and near death experience, car crashes, etc.
Saturn and Pluto are pretty heavy duty, I guess. 😕
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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 12:21:08 GMT
❤️ "Saturn and Pluto are pretty heavy duty, I guess." Yeah..and Mars/Uranus in the mix is fuel to the fire. I'm sorry you had these awful experiences. edit - I don't feel like theorizing after that, it's just sad. But thank you for talking about it.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 13:00:02 GMT
Well yeah, I didn’t mean to get all dramatic.
I’m going to keep looking at this though, I just realized my stepdad had the conjunction tightly, and he was absolutely not a good person. He had good in him, but that didn’t often show through for me. The people I’ve experienced have at least had the wherewithal to not be physically violent, but they did possess an emotional cruelty that I thankfully don’t possess. It’s weird the way it affects people differently.
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 16:56:04 GMT
To be fair to myself, I learn from my mistakes. If I know that I’m being unreasonably controlling, I can sigh and say okay. Compassion usually wins out if I feel I’m being overbearing.
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Post by lumina on May 27, 2020 18:32:47 GMT
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Post by Ava on May 27, 2020 19:18:11 GMT
Violets , that's how I see you, as self-aware and compassionate. There are many well-loved celebrities on this list astro-charts.com/persons/aspect/Saturn-Square-Pluto/I feel like the combined synergy of Saturn and Pluto is an absolute gift when it's channeled well. There is discernment about choosing one's battles and also a kind of bulldozer ability that pushes through challenges where other people would just stop, and that's what some situations need. Still not sure what to make of my quintile since the cafeastrology reading doesn't resonate. My chart is full of squares so I hate to see one of my supposedly "good" aspects in a negative light. Maybe it matches my love of shortcuts, solutions that are easygoing like the quintile. Like the fact that my youngest son taught himself to read by playing a video game. It wasn't even an educational game. (I guess I just painted myself in a negative light, but it's different if I do it. lol)
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Post by Violets on May 27, 2020 22:14:23 GMT
I feel like this aspect is often just waiting in a simmering rage for other people to stop making stupid choices that affect us—trying to maintain the dignity, structure, and self control of Saturn, and then a volcanic upheaval from Pluto like “DO IT MY WAY BEFORE I GO DARTH VADER ON YOUR @ss!” 😂😭🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ As I get on with my daily life, I think this assessment still stands, harsh as it is. “Stupid” is a little harsh for kids, but I have a husband and a mother, and their daily choices for themselves and with our kids are...less than smooth for me.
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Post by midnight on May 27, 2020 22:46:08 GMT
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Just here to say I resonate a lot with the stories and thoughts you are writing about. Some of the childhood incidents are so similar with yours Ava My Mom has an exact quincinx :/ My baby is teething and I can't really focus on writing atm but hopefully tomorrow I'll have a better opportunity
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Post by anela on May 28, 2020 0:34:16 GMT
I’m trying to get in here to dig into this aspect more from my own perspective, but it’s HARD, lol. The rebirth description of this aspect is very accurate for me. It’s like with every Saturn transit I become an entirely different person. My beliefs and outlook get an overhaul. I’ve lived a lot of different “lives” in this one lifetime, in many ways. And yeah, there’s a lot of pain involved in that process, and I’m very guarded about that. The description is accurate for me. The obnoxious hook of this aspect is that I think natives really do have to figure out how to be flexible in order to gain the authority we want—but when things (and people) are out of our control we’re reminded of many painful instances when the inability to control a situation lead to disaster. This is it, exactly! I'm not usually that rigid (I know, I know, I'm talking outside of politics), but when it comes to my pets, or something that needs care, I do get more concerned/controlling. Nothing works out perfectly, but when I'm not really careful, something always goes wrong. *Really wrong*. I have Saturn square Pluto, and Pluto opposes Jupiter. I have a wide trine between Pluto and my Moon/Venus, Venus also sextiles Jupiter. Jupiter trines Neptune and the MC, sextile IC. Maybe all of this helps? I try to be understanding, but that's shot me in the foot before. So then I set boundaries, and I'm punished for it (sometimes). I have really good luck, and really bad luck, occasionally at the same time, so it can be hard to fully appreciate the good as it happens. I've said that it feels like I've had several different lives. I have been taken care of, so far, but it hasn't always been easy. I'm not interested in power, I just want to avoid a lot of mess, at least in my personal life. I didn't even want to be a moderator, because I would be hesitant to do the job.
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Post by anela on May 28, 2020 0:35:51 GMT
Oh, side note—Saturn the Jerk is currently squaring my natal Uranus/IC, so I’m a little more pessimistic than usual, lol. It's square my Uranus/ascendant, and I hardly got out of bed last week. Today, I feel more human. The key combination seemed to be: sleeping pretty well, taking SAM-e, sitting in the sunshine, avoiding arguing politics, especially with trump supporters, and avoiding anything talking about "surviving these difficult times". I was lucky enough to be able to avoid it, so I did. Most of the day, anyway. It's also trine my Moon/Venus, so maybe that helped me to finally relax in the garden. I couldn't believe it yesterday, when my mum's cousin tagged me, and nominated me in a, "Life is good" challenge. I actually laughed, and then thought, "F**k me, how am I going to complete this?" He told me it doesn't have to be personal photos, or family-related, so maybe that will make it easier.
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Post by Violets on May 28, 2020 1:50:14 GMT
“ I'm not interested in power, I just want to avoid a lot of mess, at least in my personal life.” anela YES, lol.
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Post by lumina on May 28, 2020 8:56:58 GMT
I am Not Sure IT Always is about Power. I associate IT more with Control? Like If you have to expwrience the complete Loss of Control due to Other people choices or external crap, you will start wanting to Control Things, do them your own way to prevent a Repetition of being subjected to that again. Power May BE one way to achieve IT, but I think IT could also result in mistrusting or loathing authorities or those in Power cause there comes the danger of them seizing Control of parts of Other peoples Life.
Some of course May Go the Other Route and seize Power themselves to maintain Control
I can BE wrong of course.
Also i Wonder how IT feels to have the exact conjunction in a composite.
Transitweise Tr Saturn squares my Uranus in my 11th House cusp in 1scorpio. Yeah Well i am grounded, am I Not? Being prevented to socualize in Terms of preserving my physical health. Tr Saturn in my 2nd House.
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