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Post by Ava on Mar 8, 2020 15:24:23 GMT
If anyone knows this about their progressions already or feels like delving into it, what was going on in your life and mind when your progressed moon and Mercury formed major aspects?
Any landmark revelations, conclusions, turning points?
I've been mentally lazy for a while now.
But I used to concentrate for extended periods of time, especially as a student. It was satisfying. I was thinking about thinking this morning and realized this issue could be a function of moon-Mercury: the desire to derive emotional satisfaction from mental exertion. Then I realized my pr moon and pr Mercury are heading into a square. Now:
2°02 Scorpio, my pr moon 4°37 Aqua, my pr Mercury
Assuming my birth time is correct, these will form a perfect square in mid May of this year, just before my progressed Mercury returns at last to its natal position (it's been in shadow all my life; I think that shows, sorry).
Anyway, about the progressed square:
"Putting your feelings into words may be a longer process than you’d like right about now..."
Hmm, maybe I'm actually up for that and it's a good time to concentrate. I'd like to apply this inner tension to a project.
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I had forgotten that I got married with my progressed moon and Mercury in conjunction @ 24-26 Cap, less than 2° orb. Those were directly conjunct my natal sun/Mercury, Jupiter/Uranus, and moon/Venus midpoints in Cap. I guess this helps explain my firm resolve to go through with the wedding, even though I never saw "rushing to the altar" in my cards, growing up.
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Post by lumina on Mar 8, 2020 15:37:31 GMT
I first met P with my pr Mercury (and pr Venus) conjunct my natal Moon. lol Well my pr Mercury is on 25 Aquarius, has been there for a while, as it turned retrogrades and is going to head towards my natal Moon again.
pr Moon is at 19 or 20 LIbra at the moment, so they will be trine in about 5 months time
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 8, 2020 15:40:17 GMT
I had pr moon conjunct pr mercury in early Sag (on my tropical MC) when I got a job. Didn't start working right away, but that was when I accepted the offer, I think. The timelines are blurry for me, so this is approximate. In December this year, around the time of my final Saturn Return hit, I'll have pr Moon in Pisces square pr mercury in Sag. It will be on the angles of last year's solar return (Sag Asc square Pisces Neptune on those degrees).
:ETA: It's actually exact on the day of the return (and a few days before and after). The angles match too. This is a bit freaky.
Solar Return 2019:
Asc -- 12°13' Sag Moon -- 13°44' Gem (i.e. on Dsc)
Neptune -- 16°21' Pisces
Progressed Chart on the day of Saturn Return #3 (2020):
Asc -- 11°53' Gem Moon -- 15° Pisces Jupiter -- 11°40' Vir; Psyche: 10°47' Vir; Neptune -- 14°42' Cap
Saturn Return #3 (2020): (i.e. Transits) Asc -- 19°36' Scorp (on my natal Pluto) Moon -- 11°15' Pisces Neptune -- 18°17' Pisces
Psyche -- 13°29' Gem; North Node: 19° Gem
No clue what these are trying to tell me. But it's something, alright. 'Can't believe all the connections here, and I haven't even started on draconic.
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Post by lumina on Mar 8, 2020 15:47:51 GMT
12YearsABlob makes sense right? pr Mercury on your tropical MC, triggered by pr Moon and you got a job! So Mercury rules your IC of course as well. also the DESC? For me Mercury rules the DESC and is conjunct Sun, ruler of my 9th house and MErcury co-rules the 9th house, as Virgo is intercepted there. suppose that might matter, too.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 8, 2020 15:59:31 GMT
12YearsABlob makes sense right? pr Mercury on your tropical MC, triggered by pr Moon and you got a job! So Mercury rules your IC of course as well. also the DESC? Yeah, totally makes sense, on many levels (I was also studying at the time -- Sag = higher education etc.). Filing this under "See, astrology works, dumbass." And yes, Mercury rules my IC -- unfortunately, not the Dsc. The angles are a bit wider on that, so my Dsc is in Leo, not Virgo. But it may as well be. Venus/Jupiter is in Virgo, as are parts of my 7th/8th house -- depending on which system you use. For me Mercury rules the DESC and is conjunct Sun, ruler of my 9th house and MErcury co-rules the 9th house, as Virgo is intercepted there. suppose that might matter, too. Oh, wow -- so you have strong influences of both Mercury and 9th house/Sag/Jupiter. Do you find yourself looking for both in a partner?
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Post by lumina on Mar 8, 2020 16:11:06 GMT
Oh, wow -- so you have strong influences of both Mercury and 9th house/Sag/Jupiter. Do you find yourself looking for both in a partner? ABSOLUTELY YES. It really is that easy, no Sag, nor Mercury, nor 9th house - me not interested. lol Now that you pointed it out but yes, the 9th house is there as well as are Mercury-aspects. Interestingly not so much Gemini, but more so virgo, so more inclined to the 9th house, than the 7th house itself in my chart.
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Post by Ava on Mar 9, 2020 13:00:36 GMT
Thanks for answering 12YearsABlob and lumina. Those are impressive examples. Now I'm wondering if moon-Mercury in aspect in progression is a kind of marker for significant life changes? I had the exact trine when I learned I could reconnect & resolve things with my ex. My husband is coming into a trine now, actually a mini triangle: 22 Virgo pr Mercury 20 Scorpio pr Venus 21 Cap pr moon Things are going well for him. For one thing, he was recommended for a promotion and today he's being tested to see if he qualifies. Can't imagine him not qualifying, he's super intelligent. But we'll see. Pr moon heading into conjunction with tr Saturn-Pluto and he's making his own funeral arrangements, hopefully way in advance, just buying whatever can be purchased ahead of time to save money...I guess that's fitting. (Will erase this part) Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on Mar 9, 2020 13:13:19 GMT
No clue what these are trying to tell me. But it's something, alright. 'Can't believe all the connections here, and I haven't even started on draconic.
Such interesting patterning there. I wonder if some event will occur, with an astro signature to match what's already set in place, and explain the whole mid-mutable emphasis, in retrospect. This might be a highlight? Jun 5 3:12 PM Full Moon Penumbral LUNAR Eclipse 15 Sag 34' cafeastrology.com/astrology-of-2020.htmlBy December, the time of the last Saturn Return, it's the waning quarter moon in mid-mutable; I guess it's fitting that a Saturn Return coincides with that "crisis" moon phase, but here's hoping it's not too bad. The moon will be in Virgo so problem-solving will be the focus anyway.
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Post by lumina on Mar 9, 2020 13:47:19 GMT
Just realized pr composite had a Moon-Mercury opposition exact last October when P and me talked a bit more extensively including me bringing up something that had been bugging me and he being a little pushy about me talking about it honestly. Pr comp mercury was just one degree Conjunct my n moon as well
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 9, 2020 14:07:26 GMT
Such interesting patterning there. I wonder if some event will occur, with an astro signature to match what's already set in place, and explain the whole mid-mutable emphasis, in retrospect. This might be a highlight? Jun 5 3:12 PM Full Moon Penumbral LUNAR Eclipse 15 Sag 34' cafeastrology.com/astrology-of-2020.htmlThanks for checking that. I've made a note of the date, just in case. This one includes Sun & Mars at that mutable degree. By December, the time of the last Saturn Return, it's the waning quarter moon in mid-mutable; I guess it's fitting that a Saturn Return coincides with that "crisis" moon phase, but here's hoping it's not too bad. The moon will be in Virgo so problem-solving will be the focus anyway. Aah -- if you mean the day of though, that's in Pisces, I think? But either way, pota-toe, po-tah-toe. Some kind of mutable mix-up. Oh and I didn't think of the moon phases either, good point..!
:ETA: ^No, it wasn't about the day of...dohh, my bad.
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Post by lumina on Mar 9, 2020 14:39:11 GMT
Ava hoping your husband will get that promotion. Well Tr Jupiter is conjunct his pr Moon for now. Of course the other thing makes sense, too, but hey he has Moon on the Mercury/Venus-mp (which I love) and Tr Jupiter is shining on his pr Moon. that should offer good opportunities. Just realizing Tr Jupiter is on my natal Sun/Moon-mp (and is at the same place it was when P and me first met. lol)
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Post by lumina on Mar 9, 2020 20:01:57 GMT
Ava , 12YearsABlob this is our progressed composite with transits from the day P and me had that talk last october after a concert. (several topics, and one being a bit "challenging"). The way it came to this talk was a little weird as well. In retrospect it almost seemed like a "silent agreement" to meet a bit away from the other crowd. LOL (seriously I am really a bit daft when it comes to me, but him waving at me and winking at me SHOULD have give me an indication. LOL But when it is about me, you really have to spell it out, I can read signals greatly when it comes to other people, but myself? Anyway apparently it still worked out, and we were having that little chat while I was on my way out, and he on his way to the bar to get something to drink, or so I thought. It only later registered with me that even after our chat he never got his drink but simply returned into the room, while I was leaving. *scratches head* Weird.) Anyway I never checked that porgressed composite and I had not even a clue that there was a transiting Neptune-Lilith conjunction echoing our pr composite Neptune-Lilith-conjunction. whatever that means. lol the transiting Neptune-Lilith wasn`t yet exact (2-3 degrees), but curiously squaring the pr composite Neptune-Lilith, well Tr Neptune was, and of course exactly conjunct our pr composite Pholus-Vesta-conjunction, which happens to be on the degree of my natal Juno (and his pr Venus is in the process of progressing there as well, and as such trining my natal SAturn on 16 Cancer, and as of now pr DESC on 16 Cancer as well; it`s not yet exact though, as of now his pr Venus is on 15 Pisces I believe, not sure really). our pr composite Neptune-Lilith-conjunction won`t become exact, as LIlith is slowing down and then will turn retro, however as of now it is under one degree applying, 0°48. Well I never know how to weigh aspects that get close, under one degree, but aren`t going to really become exact. however pr c-Lilith has been exactly conjunct n c-Neptune on 15°12 Sagittarius in november 2013, and well, we re-met on 23rd/24th november 2013. LOL What a timing! pr c Lilith will reach 16 SAg before turning direction,s o basically she will occupy the degree in between our composite Neptune on 15 Sag and Mercury on 17 Sag. That intrigues me. probably it does not mean something good, but it is intriguing nevertheless. Well Lilith (and maybe even more so Priapus) figured strongly in our first meeting chart as well. So I guess, it fits. I Mean it is what it is. Of course I just glossed over the much more obvious aspects in the process of building in our progressed composite. ROFL
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 9, 2020 21:39:15 GMT
LOL But when it is about me, you really have to spell it out, I can read signals greatly when it comes to other people, but myself? Your slight miscommunication/back-n-forth to understand each others' signals is very much Moon-Saturn opp. Mercury! The nature of the discussion might also have been reflected in that aspect. That and the 7th house Pluto-NN bringing those two together, "bridging" them, so to speak. In that position, Pluto-NN seems to say, "we're not leaving here until we work this out, hard as it may be".
Now of course, I don't know what the discussion was about, but it seems like an important conversation. With the angles at critical degrees adding to the sense of urgency, I can imagine it must've been quite a moment.
P.S. That Uranus symbol in your charts always throws me off. "Why is Mars in there twice?," I wonder.
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Post by Ava on Mar 10, 2020 1:40:28 GMT
^ What she said. Also I guess having the moon-Mercury opposition in the 5th/11th houses is more sociable than other houses, and the opposition aligning with the nodes to create a mystic rectangle may have helped with solidifying things. Can't help thinking that chart structures help with binding, even if it remains a hidden mutual fascination. "this is our progressed composite with transits from the day P and me had that talk last october after a concert. (several topics, and one being a bit "challenging"). The way it came to this talk was a little weird as well. In retrospect it almost seemed like a "silent agreement" to meet a bit away from the other crowd. LOL" I guess the pr draconic composite Pluto in late Pisces is conjunct pr tropical composite ASC. Secret agreements kinda match that, right? Or am I freewheeling too much? "Why is Mars in there twice?," I wonder. 😂 Same Aah -- if you mean the day of though, that's in Pisces, I think? But either way, pota-toe, po-tah-toe. Some kind of mutable mix-up. Oh and I didn't think of the moon phases either, good point..! I was referring to the waning quarter moon in December but can't exactly remember why, except I generally think the four moon phases stand out like the four angles. Because there are four.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 10, 2020 1:43:27 GMT
^Oh, okay -- so the waning quarter moon refers to the "waning quarter" for the whole month? My confusion was/is about whether it refers to the waning quarter of moon in a particular sign, or if there's only one per month..?
* Apologies for the excellent sentence construction, as usual. My mind's always running on 10%, so please excuse me.
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Post by Ava on Mar 10, 2020 1:45:57 GMT
Ava hoping your husband will get that promotion. Well Tr Jupiter is conjunct his pr Moon for now. Of course the other thing makes sense, too, but hey he has Moon on the Mercury/Venus-mp (which I love) and Tr Jupiter is shining on his pr Moon. that should offer good opportunities. Just realizing Tr Jupiter is on my natal Sun/Moon-mp (and is at the same place it was when P and me first met. lol) Thank you. Well I just learned tonight, more than that, he got a callback for a more professional job similar to what he's done in the past, and while it's very doubtful he will get an offer, because of his age, it's kinda nice to just dream. Jupiter Return of your first meeting chart, on your sun/moon mp, sounds good.
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Post by Ava on Mar 10, 2020 1:50:58 GMT
12YearsABlob - I'm with you, reading about astrology is usually harder for me than just looking at charts and lists and piecing things together on the spot in my mind. Translating what others have put together is harder. Expressing myself so it's clear to the other person is obviously a challenge, too, or you would have known what I was saying right away. Sorry! Anyway, I do think there's usually only room for one waning quarter moon per month, unless the first one is right at the start of the month, and the next is at the end. Similar to a blue moon, only a different moon phase. You know?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 10, 2020 1:55:29 GMT
Anyway, I do think there's usually only room for one waning quarter moon per month, unless the first one is right at the start of the month, and the next is at the end. Similar to a blue moon, only a different moon phase. You know? Ok, I think I finally got it!! Geez, I just realized I was somehow thinking of a whole moon cycle within one sign, which is ridiculous.* Talk about muddled thoughts... oh well.
* Next thing you know, I'll be saying we have one sun sign throughout the year. "This is the year of Taurus. Taurus winters have naturally occurring ice sculptures that rival the works of Bernini."
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Post by Ava on Mar 10, 2020 2:14:59 GMT
^ My brain glitches the same way. But hey, at least we're teaching ourselves astrology! It's all extra credit, this wasn't even a required class. "* Next thing you know, I'll be saying we have one sun sign throughout the year. "This is the year of Taurus. Taurus winters have naturally occurring ice sculptures that rival the works of Bernini." I like it. Maybe it isn't even wrong.
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Post by lumina on Mar 10, 2020 8:21:43 GMT
LOL But when it is about me, you really have to spell it out, I can read signals greatly when it comes to other people, but myself?
Now of course, I don't know what the discussion was about, but it seems like an important conversation. With the angles at critical degrees adding to the sense of urgency, I can imagine it must've been quite a moment.
Actually it was more of a casual topic, however, one of the topics about a certain role apparently was something where he felt rather raw about, as he had a bit of a blow up (not against me, just because of the situation) and he stopped himself midway explaining he apparently was still very upset about it (he usually does not have those "explosions", at least not publicly; I mean Virgo-Mars and Saturn squaring Sun and Moon ). Another topic came up that I was very raw about, which I really just realized how much, in talking with him about it. I just had let a casual comment about his "management" slip (he brought it up though), and I was trying to gloss over it. but he wouldn´t let me (Virgo Mars is perceptive I guess. lol) but was downright demanding I was telling him about it (I had said that it was not my place to criticize). Well basically I just reflected back to him that (at least to me) it was clear that most of the posts recently were not done by him (on his site) but by the management (withouth him having made it really transparent, just between the lines) and that while it is of course his decision, I just don`t like not knowing whom I am talking to, if someone else is also posting under his name. I prefer to know whom I am talking to. And besides it was "missing the P-factor/energy". Yeah I really said that, but hey he told me to be honest, so I was, even though, yes, I felt intensely albeit subtly raw about it. I had not even realized how much that had bugged me and how much I had bottled up, until he made me say it out loud and directly to him. Well I was also honest in that I believe that it is his decision of course and I am not really in a place to criticize, I just had given my point of view. And with that I thought it would have been okay, but he kept on elaborating why he had done this, and how every post goes over his "desk" and is sanctioned by him and a lot more, I was already done with the topic, but he just would go on and on about it, almost like he was justifying it or apologizing. It just seemed important to him. BTW I do understand his reasons, to a degree. Funny enough the morning after we actually ran into each other in the breakfast room of the hotel (we had never stayed at the same hotel before, and I was surprised he was not driving home the night before, but well I was a little prewarned as when I woke up, I saw his car was parked right udner my hotelroomwindow. lol) Anyway it was of course not such a personal topic, it was more professional talk, but yeah, it was quite a moment, at least for me very intense. (we also had in the EVC composites a conjunction of EVC Mercury and EVC Pluto, I believe it was even in Scorpio. lol) Well interestingly however the frequency of the posts had reduced again (he obviously had told the management to put something up every other day, to gain constancy or something, but this does not seem to have worked out that well), and while the management is still doing the more official posting, he`s been a lot more present in those last months than he had been in the half year before, when he got the new management. Maybe he wanted to infuse a bit of P-factor/energy again. LOL We weren`t even talking long, but it did surprise me a little. Also his persistence in first of all asking for my honest opinion and secondly explaining and elaborating on his reasons. EDIT Actually the Mercury-Pluto was doubled. his EVC Mercury 29°31 Scorpio my EVC Pluto 29°53 Scorpio his EVC Pluto 6°02 Sag my EVC Mercury 7°21 Sag
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