7th house rulerships

[FruityLlama]

I've been studying these a while and wondered if your 7th house resonates at all?

I believe there are several ways in which the marriage partner can be seen via the 7th house.

1) Via the sign on the DC
2) Via the sign that the DC ruler is in
3) Placement of DC ruler
4) Sign on DC and the house this naturally rules
5) Ruler of DC and synastric aspects to this

I got this from this thread: www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240019.html

Do any of these resonate with you and your SO?

It sparked my interest because I'm struggling to find my father in my mothers chart. I don't know his TOB, but my mothers chart goes like this:

Virgo ASC, therefore Pisces DSC. 
Jupiter in Leo conj. Venus in 12th house, or Neptune conj.Moon in Scorpio in 3rd
Now, depending on which ruler you want to use, there is emphasis on the 12th house and 9th house going by Rule 4. Mum's 9th house is in Aries ruled by Mars in Sag.

I don't know if I've done this right, but I guess in a round about way, my dad is seen via Mars there as he is a Sag sun conjunct Venus, both of which widely conjunct Mums mars. Dad's Neptune is closely conjunct his Mercury too which matches Mums 3rd house placement. 

I'll pop both of their charts up:

Mum:

Dad:

[FruityLlama]

My chart has a two way system of Cap-Pisces energy (7th house ruler Saturn in 10th, 10th house ruler Neptune/Jupiter in 7th and 5th/6th). 12th house is in Gemini- wonder if this is why I attract Gemini energy in life generally? Mercury is in 11th in Taurus...I feel like you could go round and round your chart doing it this way but anyway

[Ava]

LOL..."Mother Ship"

By chance, was your father's progressed sun conjunct transiting Neptune when they met?

He's got Neptune widely conjunct the SN, that might be significant.

"I feel like you could go round and round your chart doing it this way"

Same

[lumina]

FruityLlama

Possibly your Dad`s Neptune is on an angle, esp. ASC or MC, or ruling it. But we cannot know this of course. Also as Ava wrote, progressions play into this.

For me, yes definitely strong resonance with 7th house (not just for me individually but, I`d say for 80% of people); interestingly not so much the sign on the DESC.

However,

- ruler of DESC in sign and (closely) conjunct a natal planet
- aspects, esp. conjunction of DESC-ruler to the other person`s chart.
- planets conjunct the DESC become a big one, though sometimes in terms of projections and animosity. it can go both ways.

Also if the DESCruler or the planet on the DESC does not match the personality type (esp. Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, planets on the other angles etc.), there might be a tendency to experience it through projection, even -magnetism-repulsion (some push and pull) and possibly the chartowner will shun their DESC. Might be an attracting factor but if it is like a sore thumb in the whole tapestry of the chart, then it might be too much hassle to integrate it.

The day to day level of interaction is governed by esp. the luminaries and Mercury, Venus and Mars. (which btw might be the reason I am not doing well with my DESC-sign as a whole).

[FruityLlama]

Ava ,

Hahaha glad you like the mother ship, I have many nicknames for my parental unit.

Oh my god, Dad's pr. Sun at 27* Sag was getting close to the tr. Neptune at 1* Cap back in the mid 80s! How did you work that one out?
It's interesting with my dad because our nodes are inverse and his Saturn conjuncts mine (well, I was born during his Saturn return so unsurprising, but it's exact! And Mama's Saturn conjuncts my Venus exact too..!)

lumina
Yes, I suspect his ASC axis is actually on the Tau-Sco one, can't decide but at the moment I'm actually thinking Taurus ASC with his IC/MC on my mothers' ASC-DSC. He is quite shy, but goofy too (sag/Cancer moon probs). He appreciates the quiet life and enjoys nature- he was a farmer before he does what he does now. Plus he is the spitting image of Piers Brosnan who is a Taurus sun.
If so, he would have his Neptune/Merc in the 7th possibly. Mars and Pluto both in Virgo which correlates to my mum's ASC.

That's interesting about shunning the sign on your DSC. My parent's aren't very neptunian in real life, but their charts give the impression that they are more watery than they would let on. Potentially they both have water DSC.
Well, my mother is fairly Scorpionic which shows in her chart. Dad may be seen as mysterious by some, but he isn't, he is just laid-back and gets on with things, doesn't like drama, more straightforward than you'd think if you met him. Loves tidiness. As you say, must be his scorpio-cancer and virgo planets in day to day interaction.

However, wrt the DSC and to support what you aid about the actual sign of the DSC not usually stipulating the nature of the partner, I know my mum would not say her idea of a perfect partner would resonate very much with Pisces or Neptune. I don't think they see each other naively, or in an overly romantic way either, but who am I to say, I don't know what they were like before I was born. I get the feeling they both resonated with each other because they both felt like black sheep in the family/friendship circles. That might be Piscean.

It'd be great if my dad did also have an angular Neptune, esp on the DSC because that gives me hope for my own placement. It's funny how the charts match up with family connections isn't it...

[Ava]

Feb 16, 2020 14:29:05 GMT FruityLlama said:

Ava ,

Hahaha glad you like the mother ship, I have many nicknames for my parental unit.

Oh my god, Dad's pr. Sun at 27* Sag was getting close to the tr. Neptune at 1* Cap back in the mid 80s! How did you work that one out?
It's interesting with my dad because our nodes are inverse and his Saturn conjuncts mine (well, I was born during his Saturn return so unsurprising, but it's exact! And Mama's Saturn conjuncts my Venus exact too..!)

Is that when they met...in the mid 80s?

I was just guessing, based on her Pisces DSC and what I know of the generational transits (knew your parents' age by looking at the charts, figured they would be old enough to date by the mid 80s). 

That's cool about the Saturn conjunctions...something similar in my family: my oldest brother's draconic Saturn is exactly conjunct my father's natal Saturn and their nodes are tightly conjunct. There is more to it but I'll spare you. Caps can talk forever about their families. lol 

[FruityLlama]

Ah yes, forgot about trusty Pluto and others for that! Yes they met in the mid 80s, I think 85 specifically. I know my mum was 18 at the time so it must be right (always second guessing my maths though ahaha).

Haha oh no it's interesting! Please share if you feel like it. My Cancer ASC likes talking about family too to be fair

So, with my Cap DSC, should I look at Saturn transits?

[anela]

Feb 16, 2020 11:59:43 GMT FruityLlama said:

I've been studying these a while and wondered if your 7th house resonates at all?

I believe there are several ways in which the marriage partner can be seen via the 7th house.

1) Via the sign on the DC
2) Via the sign that the DC ruler is in
3) Placement of DC ruler
4) Sign on DC and the house this naturally rules
5) Ruler of DC and synastric aspects to this

I got this from this thread: www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240019.html

Do any of these resonate with you and your SO?

It sparked my interest because I'm struggling to find my father in my mothers chart. I don't know his TOB, but my mothers chart goes like this:

Virgo ASC, therefore Pisces DSC. 
Jupiter in Leo conj. Venus in 12th house, or Neptune conj.Moon in Scorpio in 3rd
Now, depending on which ruler you want to use, there is emphasis on the 12th house and 9th house going by Rule 4. Mum's 9th house is in Aries ruled by Mars in Sag.

I don't know if I've done this right, but I guess in a round about way, my dad is seen via Mars there as he is a Sag sun conjunct Venus, both of which widely conjunct Mums mars. Dad's Neptune is closely conjunct his Mercury too which matches Mums 3rd house placement. 

I'll pop both of their charts up:

Mum:

Dad:

1) Via the sign on the DC
- Taurus
2) Via the sign that the DC ruler is in
- Gemini
3) Placement of DC ruler
- 8th house cusp, 7th if using equal house.
4) Sign on DC and the house this naturally rules
- Taurus, and 7th + 12th (Libra). Is this right?
5) Ruler of DC and synastric aspects to this
- Venus in Gemini, conjunct Moon and South Node, square Mars in Pisces, trine Pluto (widely), sextile Jupiter, inconjunct Uranus/ascendant. 

[Ava]

Feb 16, 2020 15:16:25 GMT FruityLlama said:

Ah yes, forgot about trusty Pluto and others for that! Yes they met in the mid 80s, I think 85 specifically. I know my mum was 18 at the time so it must be right (always second guessing my maths though ahaha).

Haha oh no it's interesting! Please share if you feel like it. My Cancer ASC likes talking about family too to be fair

So, with my Cap DSC, should I look at Saturn transits?

Whew -- okay, glad you like the family talk. Well to spill the beans, I'm always repeating the fact that both of my grandfathers, my father, and my husband all have Saturn in Sagittarius. My draconic Saturn is in Sag, conjunct many of those Saturns, and I got married with transiting draconic Saturn right on my draconic Saturn.

I know, right?! 

Hehehe, anyway....yes, I would think that Saturn transits tell a story with how your love life develops and unfolds. I'm not sure it's straightforward or necessarily pleasant; Saturn can manifest in those grim, grin-and-bear-it ways. My husband and I both had Cap Saturn in the early degrees in our SRs for 2018, conjunct his DSC, and that was one of our most serious years of contemplating divorce. I don't think it always manifests that way, but our composite has IC-Saturn in Libra, squaring his natal ASC/DSC axis. My point is just that Saturn can go either way, towards warmth and stability or hardship...I guesss that's stating the obvious, though. 

To me it's interesting that I walked away from a major relationship when tr Saturn in Aries was squaring my husband's ASC/DSC axis; little did either of us know that this turbulence in my personal life was essentially plowing the ground for a new life...we didn't know each other then. But we got married with tr Saturn in Taurus trine his Cap DSC; and as I said above, tr draconic Saturn was in Sag, and that was also conjunct his Saturn. 

As always I think draconic charts provide some crucial context.

Pls don't quote
 

[12YearsABlob]

Feb 16, 2020 14:01:54 GMT lumina said:

Also if the DESCruler or the planet on the DESC does not match the personality type (esp. Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, planets on the other angles etc.), there might be a tendency to experience it through projection, even -magnetism-repulsion (some push and pull) and possibly the chartowner will shun their DESC. Might be an attracting factor but if it is like a sore thumb in the whole tapestry of the chart, then it might be too much hassle to integrate it.

The day to day level of interaction is governed by esp. the luminaries and Mercury, Venus and Mars. (which btw might be the reason I am not doing well with my DESC-sign as a whole).

You and me both, sister.  It is a bit of a sore thumb in my chart and I have bad history with that sign (actually, bad history with both Asc/Dsc signs). My Asc/Dsc axis is squared by Pluto in fixed signs. Aspects that play nice with my Pluto fare better, even if they're at odds with something else.

Even though I do badly with the signs that are traditionally supposed to get along with mine, I get along surprisingly well with some other "harsh" aspect signs that should not work on paper. All because of my underlying natal aspects and personality.

[lumina]

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That is just it I think. The general markers and interpretations are notvwro g, they have their merit, but they have to combined wirh rhe personal tapestry.