Full moon synastry: sun opposing moon

[Ava]

Full moon today...so why not?

I had/have a thread about this at the other place but it's not "case closed" -- the interpretations for this aspect vary from one extreme to the other ("It shows closeness...it shows distance.") So I would still like to talk about it.

What are your experiences, please?

Is there anything consistent in the way you respond to people whose suns oppose your moon, or vice versa? Do you tend to enjoy it or find it frustrating....or what?

I will post some articles & videos. 

I will try* to refrain from ranting about Virgos (their sun opp my Pisces moon). 

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*try

[Ava]

Notes:

- This is how the sun person's outer focus matches up with the moon person's inner focus
- This is typically a very attractive aspect: these people really like what they see in each other. It is a very complementary energy....there is generally an experience of being SEEN by each other. 
- Great for relationships where people fall into expected or traditional masculine/feminine gender roles...otherwise this aspect could really get on each other's nerves. If you don't want to do that, this can create resentment (if you are looking for more of an androgynous or non-gender-based relationship.)
- There is a real feeling of "You complete me." 
- If they are very much alike in their own birth charts, people with this opposition can get into a struggle for territory, because they respond too similarly to the world.
- There is a serious reflective aspect that happens with this opposition...a great deal of blaming, because they see in the other person so much of their own junk. 
- Generally this is a good aspect, but it's one you have to do some background work on, to find out what is the motivation for this particular relationship...is this going to fit with what they are looking for...and how much are they alike?  

[FruityLlama]

Is it full moon in Leo today?

I generally like Scorpio suns, I think. There is a consistency in how I interpret their mannerisms and whatnot though. I think I've said it before but whilst I really like them, I get the feeling I'm being held at arms length... everything is kept well and truly on the surface level which is ok, but it make me feel a little on edge as well. I'm left wondering why they don't want to let me in. I only wonder that because the ones I know are fairly sociable and don't treat everyone like that, so naturally I think..what have I done?! However, my boss who is in similar age to my mother is a Scorpio sun and she is just lovely, so perhaps it just depends on experience and maturity sometimes.

Though obviously it must be the opposition playing a role there. Plus, a scorpio sun may also oppose my own sun.

When my sun opposes a scorpio moon...I'm not sure. I think it is probably an easier relationship but I've not met anyone that I can think of who makes the aspect. My mother is a scorpio moon at 29* whilst my Taurus sun is at 8* so it doesn't meet, but we have a good relationship and my mother is fairly Scorpion-like at times what with her Pluto-ASC conjunction in Virgo as well.

I think it could be tense either way but not unmanageable. I would have to say that I probably enjoy the company of female Scorpio luminaries more than male but it depends. One of my favourite Italian artists, Ermal Meta is a Taurus sun, Scorpio moon both of which aspect my own luminaries and from what I gather from his behaviour, I think he very sweet and likeable. Probably would be in person too but I can only assume of course. Sorry if that's totally irrelevant though!

[lumina]

Hmm iam not drawn to full moon synastry myself. Though it seems very effective in progressions for me.

My parents have it tbough. My moms scorpio sun opposes my dads taurus moon (in 8th house) and squares his aqua sun. They both have sun in 5th house natally.

[Ava]

Thank you for your thoughts, FruityLlama ,

I haven't known enough men with either Virgo suns (opp my moon) or Cancer moons (opp my sun) to really have an informed opinion, but with Virgo suns, I've experienced that same feeling of being kept at arm's length, with some bewilderment. And it doesn't apply with Virgo sun women. That's always been fine, except with one friend who was gay, who cut me off abruptly for having "led her on". I didn't see that coming; I guess I needed a crash course on how to have lesbian friends. Maybe she thought my emotional expressions were a deliberate show of empathy, tending towards seduction, where it was actually just my day-to-day nature. I don't know.

Cancer moon women tend to push me towards exaggerated feelings; if they are out of whack, it's hard for me to be around them...the moon/Saturn dynamic is particularly difficult to balance...Cap sun wants to crack down hard on feelings that seem to make no sense.

lumina ,

Considering your response, compared to mine and FruityLlama's...I'm wondering if:

1) Perhaps the feminine signs are more attracted to this type of synastry?

2) Perhaps people with a strong, natal sun-moon aspect are more attracted to it?

Hmm...

[Ava]

When the Sun and Moon are opposed or square to one another, the Sun’s goals in life are challenged by the security needs of the Moon. The Sun and Moon are two of the most powerful personality factors in the chart, but the past conditioning of the Moon may struggle to support the self-expression of the Sun and the solar individual may see the lunar individual as over-emotional, dependent and sensitive. Yet with the hard aspects, they tend to operate at times harmoniously and will operate from its easier relating side, but there will be some times of friction, which can be handled by seeing where the Moon is coming from and understanding the individuality and purpose of the Sun. The Sun person cannot feel where the Moon is coming from and the Moon cannot see where the Sun is heading. Though it may be as simple as two temperaments or personalty’s clashing and not necessarily that one will not support the other in this relationship.

theastrologyplacemembership.com/2011/03/sun-moon-synastry/

^ This fails to take the variable of self-awareness into account. People often know when they are feeling over-emotional, dependent, and sensitive, and take measures to counteract or modulate that.

But I guess the moon can struggle with cravings. 

Like this



But considering something like Cancer sun man with Cap moon woman, I doubt that's how it works. Or Gem sun with Sag moon...does a Sag moon ever really want to be tied down?

So many possibilities for interpretation...

[lumina]

Ava

Maybe. But i do not know. My mom does not have a strong aspect between sun and moon though.

[Ava]

Ugh FruityLlama , you deleted your comment? I'm outing you. It was good!

Wish I had trapped your comment in a quote box while I had the chance.



Anyway...

Thanks for answering lumina . Your mother is a Virgo moon, though?

Here's another song with some lyrics that remind me of sun opp moon synastry:



I know I must've posted this elsewhere, because I love it...but it's the lines...

So what if I'm not everything you wanted me to be?
So what if I am more than you can see?

As the moon person in the opposition I felt pressure to keep communication tight. It can be challenging to individuate (especially with a Pisces moon.) Hard to say: "I know you don't understand this, because it's got nothing to do with you. This is just me."

I'm sure a healthy sun-moon opposition relationship has some elasticity and general awareness of how life is, so it doesn't get stuck in a reverb pattern to both partners' detriment. I think the sun might have to reign in their expectations, because they seem to have more power...but power can lead to corruption. I'm just musing off the top of my head, though.

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[anela]

I'm more familiar with the moon opposed my ascendant. I can only thing of two who had their sun opposed my moon: my mother, and a childhood friend, that she and my sister used to tease me about. I've mentioned him here before. They thought he had a crush on me. I liked him, but he wasn't my physical type, and he had a lot of girls he was casually involved with, including friends of mine.


Regarding the square, I did like one man who was a Cancer (also had a lot of Libra). He seemed to like me, then met his future wife. He could be moody, occasionally, but I liked that with his friends (us), he was open about his worries. He once posted that his now-wife had heard the conversation he had with the woman doing his hair, when he accidentally butt-dialed her. He was worried about the fact that she'd heard that he was afraid, but it turned out he had nothing to worry about: she heard that he was going to propose, and that was all that mattered. I think she's a Pisces.



My Sagittarius friend: I like that he was so outgoing/friendly. Not the ladies man part (he's married now, that stopped a long time ago), but every other man I attract seems to not be that sociable. I was really comfortable with him.

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i think it is a lot more important to have sun opposing the other person moon ruler. I know quite a few cases of full moon synastry but usually the ruler of moon already aspects the other person's big 3. It's so much stickier to have ruler of moon or ruler of sun aspecting the other person's ruler of sun/moon or 7th.

[lumina]

Ava

Yes my mom has moon in virgo, 28 degrees.
It doesnt aspect my fathers sun though. It is her sun opp his moon.

[lumina]

@theunknown

You bring up an interesting point. I dont think its an either-or-situation though. Luminaries in direct aspect are very meaningful in my observation, however it is intriguing to trace the dispositors. They make for an important tapestry and are very illuminating.

Its really hilarious, but while ps sun amd moon are conjunct my sun, his sun and moon rulers are very closely opposite my sunruler. It makes a lot of sense. We have the jupiter nature in common, but we express this energy in different ways (his jupiter in virgo, mine in pisces, going even a step further, his mercury, dispositing jupiter in virgo, conjuncts my neptune, ruling my pisces jupiter, and it brings us back to sagittarius. It is just an interesting underground tapestry to our sun moon conjunction)

Of course it would akso be strong having ones moonruler conjunct another sun or moon. This creates resonance.


Btw do you use modern or traditionsl rulership?

[FruityLlama]

Ava

Oh I'm so sorry! I re read it and thought maybe I was coming across as a whinger or something haha! Yes, I was just pondering on the earth-water relationship in response to your post as I know those elements generally get on well, obviously nothing is perfect and each element has its struggles with others no matter how compatible. I agree with you about out of whack Cancer moons in particular, I just sometimes run out of ideas as to how to comfort well.

I wonder if this is true for Fire-Air too?

And I'm sure you've discussed your luminaries in relation to each other but how do you feel having the earth-water dynamic yourself? I know it must be less tense than having a Cancer moon opp. your Sun, but I wonder if you perceive the general tensions that may arise between the elements? And are your luminaries in aspect to each other?

[anela]

I've just remembered that I had a mutual sun opposite moon with my mother. She had a Libra Moon. 

[Ava]

Thank you FruityLlama!

Hope you don't mind me saying this (if so, I'll erase, just let me know) -- you made the observation that water moons can seem Uranian. I love that.

I think most people let internal pressure build for a while before communicating an issue; we observe our feelings, think about them, wonder if it's worth saying anything when there is a problem. With water moons, I think there is just more extreme emotion overall, so there's more potential for any eventual revelations to be a lot more colorful & dramatic than what was expected.

Thanks for wondering with me about the potential differences between the masculine and feminine-sign oppositions. I'll have to try and find celebrity couples with sun-moon oppositions and maybe patterns will appear.

I have a 15° Cap sun sextile 18° Pisces moon. I've tended towards long-term relationships where my luminaries are not closely aspected -- even with friends (historically). I think it's a delicate process of integration when the luminaries are involved, and there's a profound need for trust when someone just automatically is equipped with sensors that can detect who I really am and what I'm about, psychologically. This is something I tend to not be open about, because my past has its hard spots.

I've tended to have more Mercury-focused relationships, what with Mercury on the DSC natally.

"...but I wonder if you perceive the general tensions that may arise between the elements?"

I can't think of anything meaningful -- just the obvious. You probably would have a better answer. As I see it, air/fire oppositions tend to manifest the clash between a mental (air) versus intuitive/impulsive (fire) way of making decisions. Meanwhile earth/water oppositions may highlight the struggle between valuing what is lasting and substantial (earth), versus intangible and possibly fleeting (water/emotion). Though I think of oppositions in a yin-yang context; sometimes the mind is more passionate than other types of urges & sometimes feelings outlast all institutions and regimented habits...in other words, air can be more fiery than fire (if, say, the air contains flammable gas) and water can be more solid than earth (ice).

[lumina]

Ava

interesting what you wrote about staying away from Sun/Moon-synastry. I`ve been the same, particular in respect to my Sun. Well my Sun is conjunct Mercury natally, but apart from that pretty isolated in my chart, and even in friendships they usually did not aspect my Sun strongly. Well a Jupiter or Saturn aspect here and there, but nothing really important, while the planetary chain on 5-11 degrees usually is very aspected.

In a way I did not even know I have a Sun. lol At least not on the conscious level, yeah until P crashed into it so to speak. And he does not aspect it just a little bit as you know. LOL


Well I must have had a good access to it when I was a child, as my mom loves to tell stories like the one when she was with me to some sort of fashionshow when I was about 3 years old, and at one point I suddenly disappeared from her side, and a moment later she located me again. I was the child on the stage, talkint to the host and I think she said I was singing a song or something, receiving my attention and applause and then returning back to her.

Obviously I "lost" that attitude during my later childhood/ teenager age. But that sounds to me quite a lot like the 1st house Sun I have apparently.

Well Sun-synastry (to my Sun) is still reserved for very specific cases it seems.

[Ava]

Feb 12, 2020 15:28:41 GMT lumina said:

Well Sun-synastry (to my Sun) is still reserved for very specific cases it seems.

Interesting....

edit

Sorry to edit my reply, it was on the personal side, and I was just feeling my way through a thought process. Tr Mercury in Pisces.

 

[12YearsABlob]

I encounter this more often (or more significantly) in Draco-Draco/Draco-tropical synastry than tropical-tropical. I guess it's not enough to have the sign that's complementary to your moon sign, especially if it's in serious conflict with something else. Kind of what I was talking about on the thread about the Dsc ruler.

Weirdly enough, Sun square moon synastry is better for me (because the elements involved in the square go well with my chart). Not much experience with late Taurus suns when I'm the moon. Most other combinations (whether I'm the moon or sun), have been good.

In conclusion, if the sun & moon are otherwise elementally compatible with the rest of each others' charts, it can be a really sweet aspect.*

* I believe that, but it's questions like these that make me wonder if my chart is at all correct.

** P.P.S. I just remembered that this plays out for me in an out-of-sign new moon/full moon synastry. i.e. I feel the sun-moon aspect with super early Pisces/Virgo suns. It's one of those degrees that occur frequently in my life, yet I can find no midpoints for it. Maybe my chart is wrong after all and I was born the next day. Or some other month entirely.

[Ava]

^ Maybe you have a key asteroid in early Pisces or Virgo 12YearsABlob? I always think that's interesting. I think I had a thread at the other place called Phantom Degrees or something...degrees that show up repeatedly for mysterious reasons. For me it was around 5°-6° Virgo...I think maybe it's my draconic MC.

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Talking to my ex

Pisces moon: You don't know how hard this is for me.
Virgo Sun: It's hard for me, too!
Moon: No...I don't know how to communicate this. It throws my whole nervous system out of whack.
Sun: Me, too!
Moon: No....you can't possibly understand. I can't even do this.
Sun: You're stronger than you say.
Moon: I've died a thousand deaths inside, all hope is lost.

Well not exactly like that but basically, understanding and incomprehension at once.

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