Shadow Transits

[lumina]

Anyone ever watches these or looked these up?

(Shadow transit = a transiting planet making the same aspect to the solar arc planet as he did to the natal planet a few years prior. Like the Shadow Saturn Return. And somehow those experiences are linked).


www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150504_e.htm

I noticed in the past that Tr Saturn square sa Sun sucked just as much as tr saturn square natal Sun, maybe even more, cause it took place on a less physical yet more personal/ emotional level (of course both got me to grow up some more). 

I also noticed that in the last years I was having Tr Pluto conjunct my sa Mars. When my Tr Pluto was originally conjunct my natal Mars (of course since it is Pluto there is a LOOOOOONG timeframe in between), my grandfather had a stroke which left his left side paralyzed (with the first hist of tr Pluto to my Mars, exactly the month it happened), it was a huge shock, and life clearly changed after that, in very practical ways, too. 

When Tr Pluto was conjunct my solar arc Mars in spring 2016, the mother of my best friend surprisingly died, which was more of a shock than anything really, since the stroke of my grandfather (and while he survived it, it led to his death 2 years later). (well my grandmother had died in 2013, but while that was painful for me, it was not surprising, not a shock, but my friend`s mothers death was). 

This creeps me out a little, well Mars rules my 4th house and is traditional ruler of the 12th (and 11th house). He certainly has something to do with family, anchestry and maybe even an extended understanding of family. 

The experiences were certainly similiar. (I don´t think it is really about the death, but the shock-value was what is the common ground - curiously following both events, I have been having really nice experiences, too. in terms of my social life, we could say, which also came as a surprise. but who knows? Without being made aware of the preciousness of life and that time is not INFINITE in a human life, I might not even have been going tot hose cultural things or having the experiences that turned out to be rather nice). 



Anyway I know realize that Tr Pluto is conjunct my sa ASC, well he has already started doing that, but especially in 2020 there will be some exact hits. In fact Tr Pluto will be conjunct my sa ASC for 9 exact hits. NINE. If I have not miscounted. But seriously? NINE? (it happens due to the retrograding of Pluto and the solar ardc ASC of course slowly moving forwards too). I guess I am in the midst of that, with three exact hits this year alone. 

[anela]

With the collection agency contacting me in November, and the tooth problems - I think progressed Moon was square my natal Ceres/Chiron/Sun in the 6th (the collection was for a medical bill). I get nervous enough about regular transits, so I don't think to check the progressed, or anything else.

[lumina]

anela

The progressed Moon is of course always of predictive value; however this is not what is considered a "shadow transit". It is used in terms of solar arcs, though I personally think progressions might work, too, but it is the combination of transits with natals and then later the same progressed/ solar arc planet. The transiting Moon of course does that all the time. I think this term is mostly related to the outer planets transiting natal and then directed/ progressed planets.

[Ava]

I have associated the summer of my son's birth with a few weeks of what must have been clinical depression. In fact, whenever I am down about world events, the future, my bleak outlook, I have used that time period as a reference..."It's almost as bad as 2008." It was a dark night of the soul.

The Great Recession was happening then...that played a minor role in my state of mind. I was focused on starker realities.

My solar arc directed chart and transits for my son's birth:




Pls don't quote

[lumina]

Ava

Your shadow saturn return. Clifford mentions that onw, too. If you compare this time tovthe original saturn return, what similarities come to mind?

[Ava]

Feb 12, 2020 14:31:02 GMT lumina said:

Ava

Your shadow saturn return. Clifford mentions that onw, too. If you compare this time tovthe original saturn return, what similarities come to mind?

Saturn was transiting exactly conjunct my 0° Leo Saturn on July 17-24th, 2005. In both cases, I had a young son. (Tr Saturn conjunct my pr Saturn when my middle son was born the previous year.) 

Truthfully I don't remember anything different about this time frame except it was our first summer at our country property. 

Saturn was on my rectified ASC + father's moon (6-7° Leo) when he took ill the following year (beginning a 7 month decline to his death); the country property became a liability since my husband wanted to be there, but I wanted to stay closer to my dad. This is a regret I carry with me. 

Anyway, tr Saturn through my 12th house brought me face to face with serious flaws in the medical establishment ("Your father has MRSA? I'm sorry but everyone in this facility gets MRSA. *shrug*"). Of course I was already primed to see that, with 12H Saturn natally. But growing up for me entailed quite a bit of disillusionment and disenchantment when it comes to bureaucracies and governments; I'm sensitive to areas where systems have actually broken down and deviate from their intended purpose, while maintaining a veneer of effectiveness. So, the process of losing my father was an extended lesson in that "curriculum" -- and then with tr Saturn conjunct SA Saturn in Virgo, I was gathering a lot more details about what top-down abuses might be comprised of (corporate control, captured agencies, and non-governmental power structures) and how the whole matrix might degenerate.

You know, there is The Singularity...where learning opens the door to exponential learning...I don't know what the opposite of that might be, where one kind of ignorance opens the door to exponential ignorance. But I was definitely obsessive in a Virgo OCD way with plausible, catastrophic outcomes. 

So tr Saturn on progressed Saturn: birth
Tr Saturn on natal Saturn: death
Tr Saturn on SA Saturn: birth/death issues on a global scale

For what it's worth, this son who was born during my Saturn return has a chart very similar to my father's, including a tight sun-sun conjunction.

Pls don't quote, sometimes I sound more confident than I really am, when exploring topics.

[lumina]

Ava

very depressing, and sadly my best friend reported the same when her mother died.
But as for the topic, the parallel experiences are very clear, so I guess Clifford is right about that, that with the shadow transit we get to re-view some old issues, experiences, maybe also given the opportunity to make different decisions based on old experiences or change or confirm our perspectives ore simply learn more about that topic.

my own Saturn Return happened at the time I moved out from home to start my teacher in training years. Had to suddenly be independent and sort my stuff economically too (Saturn rules the 2nd house and is in 8th house), had to deal with neighbours and that stuff, of course had to work a lot, I was isolated from my "life-core" due to the distance (which was not even that great. lol), and at the same time very integrated in the group of other teacher in trainings there, albeit those connections were proving to be difficult in some ways, too, especially with one person, who became a great disappointment. (though had I listened to my gut I would have seen that coming, my instincts were absolutely warning me the first minute I saw her, but then again for a time it was pragmatic decision though I also was adapting my lifestyle a lot to hers to somehow fit into the group; on the plus side I also experienced maybe for the first time in my life that some guy was interested in talking to ME, and not the other girls standing around me. lol It took an aquaintance to point that out to me, saying he really was not being there fore HER, but for me. This thought had never even crossed my mind. lol had quite some fun, nothing really happened, but we socialized, and had some fun lunchs and dinners. Also got into theatre again a bit more, as one of the other teacher in trainings were a semi-professional actor. Naturally I developed a crush on him, a little bit. But it never led anywhere, he later got married to one of the other teacher in training, and actually they were a better fit anyway, he was a good actor, but on second glance a pretty boring person. sorry to say it that harshly. lol but nice get togethers in the group.)

my solar arc Saturn return actually had me cross with P for the first time. (just for one concert), hm startling me, but then I did not see him for the next 2 years and wasn`t really consciously thinking about him either. Instead I was getting seriously depressed and intend on "getting my crap together" and adress some emotional painful past experiences, that were lingering still under the resurface; this year also brought back some of the main protagonists in those experiences into my life, and well right around thet ime the solar arc Saturn was exactly transited by Saturn, I was coming across LL. so another of those group experiences. LOL

Obviously the shadow Saturn return takes place at a different house in the natal, which makes for slightly different experiences.

In my case the original one taking place in 8th house.

The shadow Saturn return was in Leo in my 9th house and opposing Moon. mmhm maybe would be interesting to see when the solar arc opposition to Moon was really due, and if it coincided with the exact transit or just an approximate transit of Saturn.