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Post by fifi on Jan 19, 2020 2:11:00 GMT
Hi. I have recently got into duads & declinations & am wondering if conjunctions between them are valid. For instance, A has the declination of his Rudra on 28 Capricorn, & the duad of his Kaali on 27 Capricorn. Would this be read as a conjunction? He also has the duad of his moon here. All of which conjunct B's natal moon.
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Post by Ava on Jan 19, 2020 23:04:59 GMT
Hi fifiNot sure if I've ever converted declinations into zodiac positions. Please explain more? I assume the method described here, for pinpointing exact dwad positions, also works for duads: astroref.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/calculating-dwad-charts-the-basics/In case anyone forgets the difference, both dwads and duads divide each sign into twelve 2.5° sections, each equivalent to a zodiac sign. With duads, the first section is the sign in question (for Cancer, the first duad is Cancer, the second duad is Leo, and so on); with dwads, the first section is always Aries. aliceportman.com/calculating-duad-and-dwad-charts/ |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2020 2:13:00 GMT
^ Isn't one of them supposed to be equivalent to the 12th harmonic?
I'm probably muddling up some concepts, but I don't remember for sure.
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Post by Ava on Jan 20, 2020 3:27:52 GMT
^ Isn't one of them supposed to be equivalent to the 12th harmonic? I'm probably muddling up some concepts, but I don't remember for sure. Wow...that kinda makes sense but I just have no idea. But I see my 12th harmonic sun is in Libra. My dwad sun is in Libra (mid-Cap, so halfway around the zodiac, which is Libra). *nods while examining chart* I'm sleepy but yes, I can see how that works, I think you're right, thanks. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2020 3:52:30 GMT
Thanks for checking! So it probably happens for dwads.. Not sure how that would work for duads, interested to hear about that.. Will update if I find anything.
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Post by fifi on Jan 20, 2020 8:59:22 GMT
Sorry I screwed up! I meant the antiscia, not declinations!! God I'm so embarrassed right now... So it's A's antiscia of Rudra on 28 Capricorn, & the duad of Kaali on 27 Capricorn. I also just realized B has the duad of Parvati on 29 Capricorn. So my question is are conjunctions between Antiscia & Duads valid, would there be a resonance of some sort between them?
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2020 13:58:33 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2020 14:00:28 GMT
Honestly speaking I am prone to neglecting the Dwads/ 12th harmonic charts, even though actually they are very interesting, they highlight all our aspects, based on the natural zodiac. All planets aspecting each other in one of the 30° aspects (the major ones plus semisextile and quinkunx) are showing up as conjunctions in the 12th harmonic chart, it actually should give a pretty good overview what is connected to what in synastry, too, this way.
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2020 14:04:48 GMT
fifi that is an interesting question! I am not sure I have an answer, but just some thoughts. The Duads are the sub-zodiac/ sub-signs of the main sign, any planet`s antisica will have a sub-sign-placement, a Duad, too. There could be resonance on basis of this, yes, but I am not sure how strong it is. The antiscia themselves are already mirrorpoints and not "real" positions of signs; I am just not sure if or to what degree that matters in terms of duads. If we are treating them AS IF they were actual planets-positions, then sure, I guess the duads would add some meaning. But question is, is it valid to do that? Treat them as actual planets positions? I do not have an answer to that question unfortunately. So basically my answer is : I don´t know.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2020 14:53:35 GMT
Sorry I screwed up! I meant the antiscia, not declinations!! God I'm so embarrassed right now... So it's A's antiscia of Rudra on 28 Capricorn, & the duad of Kaali on 27 Capricorn. I also just realized B has the duad of Parvati on 29 Capricorn. So my question is are conjunctions between Antiscia & Duads valid, would there be a resonance of some sort between them? So.. Do you mean that the asteroid Kaali is at 27° Aquarius, thus making it the Cap duad, and you're keeping the degree?
Sorry to keep spinning on this, just trying to make sure I understand.. #brainfog
As for the original question - while I do see Antiscia-Antiscia, or Antiscia-natal resonance sometimes, I haven't seen whether it holds for Antiscia-Duads.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2020 16:50:20 GMT
All the links are very informative, thanks! Just quoting this one because I hadn't considered dwads in this light.
Some of this sounds like the draconic chart (unconscious motivations and such). Maybe we could have a thread for this.
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Post by Ava on Jan 20, 2020 17:10:52 GMT
Honestly speaking I am prone to neglecting the Dwads/ 12th harmonic charts, even though actually they are very interesting, they highlight all our aspects, based on the natural zodiac. All planets aspecting each other in one of the 30° aspects (the major ones plus semisextile and quinkunx) are showing up as conjunctions in the 12th harmonic chart, it actually should give a pretty good overview what is connected to what in synastry, too, this way. Just noticed I have an exact Pluto-Juno square in the 12th harmonic. Never realized they are semi-semisquare in my natal, about 22°30 apart. 4th harmonic connection! So they are square in the 4th harmonic, opposed in the 8th, conjunct in the 16th...oh my goodness, so much Juno-Pluto and I wasn't even aware of it until you said that. Thanks lumina! Cochrane's helpful study on the first 32 harmonics: www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdfAnd fifi, is there something in the energy between A & B that calls to mind these gods/asteroids? I don't really understand duads so my opinion isn't worth much, but if you sense that these asteroids are significant, I suspect you might find strong links between them in other ways (draconic chart, progressions, declinations.) |
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2020 19:08:38 GMT
Ava very interesting about the PLuto-Juno-square. And yes, it is interesting how these other minor aspects show up so clearly in the harmonic charts. I think it is mainly what Cochrane and his vibrational astrology is about, those vibrations vibrating through the layers of the chart / personality. Your Pluto-Juno must be in a tight 16th harmonic aspects I guess. the tighter it is, the more frequently it shows up even in higher harmonic charts. My SAturn-Juno should be a bit like this, I have the trine natally and it is only one minute so chances are it shows up in several harmonic charts, in different ways of course.
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Post by fifi on Jan 21, 2020 12:25:11 GMT
Thank you so much for your input everyone. & for the links to Alice Portman & LL. I had read & enjoyed both those links. It's difficult to pinpoint if the energies from those particular placements are felt because there is already strong placements in both A & B's natal charts & in synastry to all the name variations of Rudra/Shiva & Kaali/Parvati. But I have also noticed these conjunctions for lack of a better word between antiscia & duad points in my own & some other people's natals & it just felt like it must be more than just a co-incidence, that it must mean something. But as someone with strong Pluto energy & a fascination for psychology, maybe I'm just digging for something that isn't there!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 21, 2020 14:35:20 GMT
^Oh, it might not be in vain.. I'm pretty sure there could be other patterns if you're feeling a connection.. They might show up in different ways, as Ava says... |
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