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Post by lumina on Dec 19, 2019 8:36:34 GMT
I think that is in orb, pretty cool. I use 3-5,degrees.
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Post by lumina on Dec 19, 2019 11:43:03 GMT
Not quite sure why I am even still looking at that, but this here is the mean nodal composite with P and the current progressed one. photo hosting
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Post by Ava on Dec 22, 2019 1:32:40 GMT
^ Juno-Priapus-DSC in that pr nodal comp? And all you get is a hug? LOL I haven't had much time to get my thoughts in order and as usual I am behind on everything with communication...and feeling like I can't get to the bottom of things the way I really want to. So I'm kind of throwing in the towel here and I'm swinging by just to offer that in my nodal synastry with my boss, my moon is right on his sun in Pisces, and this is right by our exact angular conjunction...my IC on his DSC. To be honest I think he doesn't even really like me as a person, but I have to say something else. Our synastry conjunction is very close to where my next progressed new moon is: 10° Pisces. I've paid special attention to that degree. There is absolutely nothing to my connection with him except I get the strongest feeling like we could just dimension-hop in a split second. He has these ice blue eyes that look like they belong on an alien, so that's trippy in itself. lol Anyway I can get mesmerized with subtle, subtle things that barely exist and our interactions stir up that part of me, and I like it. I wonder if I will have that same power he has, when my sun progresses to his same spot...to make a person feel like anything can happen in the next moment. I mean he will be a million miles away from me emotionally and then in light speed we are confidants, but barely anything was said or done. Sometimes he just walks right up to me, closer than he needs to be, and that is the whole message: proximity. I get it, I get it. Please don't quote, will probably erase Edit: I realize that what I just said sounded a little too flaky and abstract. So here's an example, one day I approached him to talk about an order and this usually is simple nuts and bolts and then over. But this time he said, "You know, nobody did shit yesterday." I nodded and told him why -- we were sent home early. He vented more and then said, "I'm not even going to do all this work by myself. It can go til next week." As if he wanted my assurance that he could totally slack on his job, it was justified. I said, "Yeah, don't even do it. Geez." We made this plan, the non-working plan. lol When he found out I was quitting, because my coworker told him, we were having a conversation from about ten feet away, about the usual job stuff, then he quickly changed topics, walked straight up to me, casually hung his arms on a rack like he was shedding his usual business demeanor, and said with emotion, "Don't quit." I just like his style, feel weird disclosing that, it's all so barebones but people all kinda affect me different ways.
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Post by lumina on Dec 22, 2019 11:28:40 GMT
^ Juno-Priapus-DSC in that pr nodal comp? And all you get is a hug? LOL Haha, well Priapus is about wanting to be very close physically (after all it is when the Moon is closest to earth), but there are several ways of manifesting that. A hug was very unlikely actually, given everything, so definitely was surprised about that. Well that moment transiting Priapus was on 17 Virgo conjunct transiting ASC on 16 Virgo, and transiting Neptune on 16 Pisces on the transiting DESC. My natal Juno is on 16 Pisces, too. So interestingly it mirrored that Priapus-horizon in the pr nodal composite. also downright funny, but last year`s Solar return of mine, the one that is obsolete by now and has ceased to be 2 days before, had ASC on 17 Virgo. Well it was already "done with" on friday, but still thought it was hilarious that this degree showed up once more. And also our pr composite PHOLUS is on 16 Pisces conjunct pr composite VESTA on 16 Pisces as well (separating by only 10 minutes). I always "listen up" when Pholus makes an entrance. lol Just in the past noticed that so often seemingly small steps/ actions seemed to have rather big consequences, though in some cases this can take a while, sometimes years. NOt just in terms of P, but also before him or outside of experiences with him. EDIT Well I wouldn`t make too much fuss about it, I mean, after all it was just a hug. But it was a nice moment.
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Post by lumina on Dec 22, 2019 12:55:37 GMT
Ava that is so interesting what you describe in your post. Well 10 Pisces, that is just on my Ceres and Jupiter (9-10 Pisces). My own next progressed New Moon will be in Aquarius - but it is YEARS away. 10 years from now to be exact. A few years from now there will be pr Sun conjunct natal Moon (29th march 2025) and curiously I wiill also have pr Moon conjunct n Sun (exact: 12th april 2025) - so they are active at the same time. so I am going to have an exact Sun-Moon-exchange, comparing progressed to natal, at the same time. Of course that means that the pr Sun/Moon-mp will be at the exact same place at the natal Sun/Moon-mp as well (21 Capricorn) around that time. The EVC of my progressed chart for 6th april 2025 (the mid between the exact dates) of course has an exact Sun-Moon-conjunction, obviously on 21 Cap too, as this is the Sun/Moon-mp in both charts. Seems like a significant timeframe. I loved your boss`s reaction though. "Don`t quit". So simple, so clear, so strong for that reason. For that same reason I loved "Come back." Clear and concise. Actually it is pretty much the same sentence, just expressed as a direct demand to do something in one case and to NOT do something in the other case. Obviously it is more personal in your case of course.
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Post by Ava on Dec 25, 2019 0:30:25 GMT
Ava that is so interesting what you describe in your post. Well 10 Pisces, that is just on my Ceres and Jupiter (9-10 Pisces). My own next progressed New Moon will be in Aquarius - but it is YEARS away. 10 years from now to be exact. Whoa, my pr new moon is also 10 years from now almost exactly. Well 24 Dec 2029: 10.29 Pisces sun 10.09 Pisces moon Stay with me, I will ask your Ceres-Jupiter new questions then. The heliocentric NN of asteroid Karma is 9 Pisces, and this is also the helio SN of Atropos. So I don't know if I'll survive til 10 Pisces, might hit a karmic snag before that and go on to meet my Maker. Do you like how fatalistic I am? Me, too. A few years from now there will be pr Sun conjunct natal Moon (29th march 2025) and curiously I wiill also have pr Moon conjunct n Sun (exact: 12th april 2025) - so they are active at the same time. Awesome so I am going to have an exact Sun-Moon-exchange, comparing progressed to natal, at the same time. Of course that means that the pr Sun/Moon-mp will be at the exact same place at the natal Sun/Moon-mp as well (21 Capricorn) around that time. The EVC of my progressed chart for 6th april 2025 (the mid between the exact dates) of course has an exact Sun-Moon-conjunction, obviously on 21 Cap too, as this is the Sun/Moon-mp in both charts. Seems like a significant timeframe. Especially since the sun will be transiting conjunct your draconic sun, you know? I loved your boss`s reaction though. "Don`t quit". So simple, so clear, so strong for that reason. I liked it, but yesterday I made it clear to him that I'm leaving, and he kept saying, "That sucks" with irritation in his voice. Did he really mean "You suck"? I honestly thought he meant that. (But if I sucked, then it would not suck that I'm leaving, it would be like "Whew, she's finally gone!" Right?) I can't read him, I quit on multiple levels. But I think that's a good thing. I mean Saturn has been on my sun, teaching me to honor limitations. For that same reason I loved "Come back." Clear and concise. Actually it is pretty much the same sentence, just expressed as a direct demand to do something in one case and to NOT do something in the other case. Obviously it is more personal in your case of course. ? No, more personal in your case! Yours came after a hug, my discussion came after a conversation about product placement, in a cold room, over some radishes.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 26, 2019 15:25:13 GMT
So, should we use the mean node or true node?
I used the mean for now, because there's only 8' difference between the mean and true nodes for me. This kinda gives the chart with the other house system that Jewel uses (whole or equal, I forget which). Almost.
Is this supposed to be an alternative natal chart (if you don't have birth time)?
In this one, I have a Cap Asc conjunct Uranus & Neptune, widely trine Venus-Jupiter. Sun conjunct MC, Mars widely conjunct MC and Saturn squaring it.
Lots of angular action here..
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2019 18:06:45 GMT
Ava"Whoa, my pr new moon is also 10 years from now almost exactly. Well 24 Dec 2029: " hopefully a merry christmas. "Do you like how fatalistic I am? " No, not really. LOL You`ll be doing fine. I am having pr Atropos there; it was exact conjunct my Jupiter last december (actually precisely on the day of the christmas concert when P did that hilarious "Last christmas" scene for me.) and I am fine. "I liked it, but yesterday I made it clear to him that I'm leaving, and he kept saying, "That sucks" with irritation in his voice. Did he really mean "You suck"? I honestly thought he meant that." How on earth can anyone come to that deduction? LOL Nah, quite the opposite actually. That sucks - is related to you quitting, and he doesn`t like that. "? No, more personal in your case! Yours came after a hug, my discussion came after a conversation about product placement, in a cold room, over some radishes." LOL Yes, the hug was nice. That sentence was nice, but let`s be realistic for a moment, he probabl yjust was doing small talk and meaning for us to come back cause he likes loyal audience.
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2019 20:53:23 GMT
12YearsABlob"So, should we use the mean node or true node?" The author uses the mean node, so I did too. Even though I was sceptical, but it seems, after researching it a bit, that the mean node has a great predictive value, I do not understand why, but just noticed in progressions in particular, how it coincides with events, basically down to the minute! "Is this supposed to be an alternative natal chart (if you don't have birth time)?" Yes, the author uses it that way. However I think that we have to take into account that it is a NODAL chart, so there must be a certain tilt into that direction. But it is of course bringing Sun, MOon and EArth together, as the Nodes do, so it is pretty allencompassing. In my case it is boring, as I have my NN conjunct my ASC by under 3 degrees. lol For P that is interesting, however, while his natal chart has all those personal planets in the upper half around MC (and DESC), but mostly the luminaries and chartruler Neptune around the MC and that makes sense seeing him being drawn to the public, and being there in public, well his nodal chart has his his luminaries and his chartruler, Mercury, in this instance, lumped in 4th and 5th house - obviously he is a very creative person, and the 5th house shows that of course, but also I thought that there is that that pull into the private life, not quite what he "should" do, but maybe, what he is evolving towards, with that being the nodal chart. But I do not know for sure of course. "I have a Cap Asc conjunct Uranus & Neptune, widely trine Venus-Jupiter. Sun conjunct MC, Mars widely conjunct MC and Saturn squaring it. Lots of angular action here.." Quite impressive! Maybe you evolve into the limelight, over time. Might not feel natural to you right now or in earlier years, but it seems like there is this energy going there. Sun on MC, I mean seriously! I wonder in which house Saturn sits, from where does your "critic" come? Who or what is putting spammers into you taking the spotlight? reminding you of responsibilities in a different area? Uranus-Neptune on ASC, that is so great, just embrace your weirdness, or in different terms your intuition. Of course this means that Uranus and Neptune are on your NN, that is def. bit. I mean I have Neptune there, but Neptune AND Uranus. wow!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 27, 2019 2:27:18 GMT
12YearsABlob In my case it is boring, as I have my NN conjunct my ASC by under 3 degrees. lol Ahaha - if you call that boring. You have this uncommon aspect in your true natal chart, everything you do pulls you closer to where you need to be.. No second guessing (well at least, so it seems from the outside). his nodal chart has his his luminaries and his chartruler, Mercury, in this instance, lumped in 4th and 5th house - obviously he is a very creative person, and the 5th house shows that of course, but also I thought that there is that that pull into the private life, not quite what he "should" do, but maybe, what he is evolving towards, with that being the nodal chart. Yes! Now these charts make a little more sense to me - as something we're evolving towards. I'm going with your theory on this, because it sounds most plausible to me. Especially since we're talking about the nodes and a chart oriented towards them.. Given that, your interpretation of "shifting focus" to the 4th and 5th houses also makes sense. Perhaps the continuing 5th house emphasis means he'll keep his creative side open while still fostering a more private, grounded approach (?) I wonder if that translates to eventually handing over reigns of social media platforms and other things that are "public-facing". Well, you'll let us know if the style of his events changes..
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 27, 2019 2:43:27 GMT
Making a new post because the old one got too long. Quite impressive! Maybe you evolve into the limelight, over time. Might not feel natural to you right now or in earlier years, but it seems like there is this energy going there. Sun on MC, I mean seriously! I wonder in which house Saturn sits, from where does your "critic" come? Who or what is putting spammers into you taking the spotlight? reminding you of responsibilities in a different area? Uranus-Neptune on ASC, that is so great, just embrace your weirdness, or in different terms your intuition. Of course this means that Uranus and Neptune are on your NN, that is def. bit. I mean I have Neptune there, but Neptune AND Uranus. wow! Ooh thanks! I saw the Uranus-Neptune and thought, welllll that explains my absent-mindedness, I guess. It's interesting you ask about that Saturn - guess what, it's in the first house. So where does the critic come from? No surprises there, lol. But it makes so much sense if you knew me IRL.. And you're right, that other thing does sound uncomfortable for me. Well, everyone has their strengths and that hasn't been one of mine.. But thank you all the same, it's nice to contemplate, if nothing else.
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2019 14:33:34 GMT
12YearsABlob "everything you do pulls you closer to where you need to be.. No second guessing (well at least, so it seems from the outside)." I don`t know about "no second guessing", but it is true that I can`t relate to it if people say they don`t relate to their North Node, maybe it is because the traits are so ingrained in my personality already. I find my SN to be more foreign honestly speaking. Though my Draco Moon is conjunct my SN - so maybe for me the direction of evolving is "backwards", at least emotionally having to evolve closer to my SN while the NN is already there. Don`t know of course. "Especially since we're talking about the nodes and a chart oriented towards them.." Thanks, yes that was my thoughts about it. Also, in this sense composites get interesting, too. In P`s and my case, actually our nodal composite MC is on 00 Leo, in partile conjunction with our natal composite DESC on 01 Leo, and while in the natal composite we have pretty much the majority in the upper visible half, though it is interesting that Jupiter as dispositor of all those Sag-planets and baasically enddispositor (well in reception with Mercury) is in the 5th house, but in our nodal composite all those personal planets end up in the lower personal hemisphere and houses. "I wonder if that translates to eventually handing over reigns of social media platforms and other things that are "public-facing"." He kind of already did that, leaving most of the posts on his website to a "management"; well without really being clear about it, and she posts under his name which makes things confusing. Actually I brought it up in a talk in october with him, basically criticiszing him for it, that it is confusing and misleading if she posts under his name, and how I find that well, not so grand, as I like to know whom I am communicating with if I do. I wasn`t going into depth with it, but he asked me to be honest, so I was. I always give him the chance to opt for the smoothed out polite version and he always asks me to be honest. lol Well I guess even my honest version is relatively civil. Anyway he explained, in detail actually, how he let her handle the technical stuff mostly, and that everything goes over his desk and he has to agree to it before it gets posted, and how he has already rejected certain posts/ threads she suggested or modified them. And he went on to explain how he simply does not have the time to do those posts every other day (who sais there should be such a post every other day? - but I guess someone told him that there has to be a constant stream of information.). Well it is his choice of course, I made that clear, but that it is obvious, that the site lacks "P-character" nowadays. But so yes, he basically did that already, though having said that he is occasionally and recently more often than in the months before, posting himself on his page, too, but leaving the consistency of announcements to his management, though she is slacking off temporarily. I guess she is disenchanted that he refused to come back for the next open air to where she has a small shop, and when he was there, he of course pulled a lot of other artists and other guests there, and that means money, and him not being there, well not so good for her business. I guess she is not really aware of that the worst for her business is she herself (it would help to actually talk to customers when they approach her to ask something and want to buy something, and not ignore them while they are standing in front of her. Of course I am a special case, as she has a serious dislike of me. I guess she once saw me as a threat to becoming P`s management, and she was working really hard for it, I mean in terms of flattering and taking the route over befriending his wife etc. lol) But anyway long sad story, but yes for now he has a management attending to his page (at least for now).
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2019 14:43:32 GMT
I guess I am really not the easiest fan to deal with. 😂
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 28, 2019 1:10:24 GMT
I guess I am really not the easiest fan to deal with. 😂 Lol.. That was quite gutsy of you to call him out on the social media thing. I wouldn't expect any less from a triple (quadruple?) Sag like you.
I can see how it gets blurry though. There are official pages managed by staff and then there are the individual accounts, which show up as "verified" and are supposed to be the person themselves. But for some, even those are stage-managed by others. It's all very confusing.
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Post by Ava on Jan 11, 2020 22:27:06 GMT
How on earth can anyone come to that deduction? LOL Nah, quite the opposite actually. That sucks - is related to you quitting, and he doesn`t like that. Today the store manager (top boss) came to me looking like a kitten in the rain and flattered me and asked me to stay, and asked what it would take to keep me there (I answered, a department change and reduction in hours), and she granted that, so I guess I will just be transferred. Then she said, in this motherly way, "You should have come to me to begin with," as if she really is always that accommodating and sweet. She isn't, but I don't want to be guilty of libel or anything....and in all fairness she was nice to me about 99% of the time. Anyway she came and told my direct boss, this Pisces, that I'm staying, and it was just the three of us in the room, and he said, "I hate to lose her." (Not to let this inflate my head...as my predecessor said, "Of course they want to keep you! You're vertical, you're a warm body. What more do they want?!"....this is not exactly skilled labor. lol) But still, I guess that resolves the question of what he meant by "that sucks."
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Post by lumina on Jan 11, 2020 22:47:50 GMT
See? You are ALWAYS underestimating yourself and painting yourself in a much worse light than anyone else is ever going to see you! Actually I am very sure people love you a lot (not every single person of course, you know what I mean), but for some reason you can`t either see or accept it. (Maybe it is also some sort of "reasonable pessimism" at work, like if you believe the worst, at least your expectations can`t really get disappointed?)
But anyway I am glad they were so open and REAL about it. See? That word again! Saturn-Pluto at its best, and for once I mean that in a positive way.
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Post by Ava on Jan 13, 2020 17:53:37 GMT
^ I think you have a point lumina and while I see my own patterns and some of the reasons for them, I guess I've failed to take responsibility for that self-neglect and try to repair it. Which, I suppose, has a ripple effect on the people who know me. I get discouraged very, very easily and want to just leave. Fragility. I DON'T leave, even when part of me has "left the building"...things end up confused. Like my childhood friend wrote on my birthday saying "we HAVE to get together this year, not just talk about it!" but for the zillionth time, I tried to make plans immediately, and the conversation vanished. Part of me thinks, "F you, stop coming around with these fake plans" and part of me thinks, "I'll put up with this forever, because I love her" but NO part of me thinks, "I should stand up for myself and mention it to her, that she is upsetting me." Pls don't quote I don't know what this has to do with nodal charts except I'm a Scorpio NN. Shadow-crafting.
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Post by Ava on Jan 13, 2020 18:04:22 GMT
3:12:15 am, true node chart: Some preliminary thoughts on this but I have to get going...I do like the MC/IC axis set @ 1°, and that is bulletproof, regardless of my birthtime...because it picks up all my asteroids and Saturn, in that 0-1° range.
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Post by anela on Jan 14, 2020 3:50:51 GMT
Ava you sound so much like me at times, even though we are so different in ways, too. <3 I'm not quoting, but can relate to what you wrote a couple of posts up. I'll have to read the rest of this thread, later on.
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Post by Ava on Jan 14, 2020 4:53:09 GMT
Thanks anela <3 Whatever this is, it appreciates the company, though I hope things look up for both of us.
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