Progressed sun changing signs

[Ava]

Wondering if there's anything special and lasting about the chart for the day that our sun progresses into a new sign, every 30 years.....are the transits for that day part of the whole "birth" of the sun into a new sign? 

Astro.com doesn't supply a precise progression chart for the very moment of the sign change, not that I can find.

Still, it's easy enough to locate the days when our pr sun changed signs.

So if anyone has an opinion on whether or not that chart was significant, foretold the future, or had any value at all, I'd love to know.  

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I'm heading into this next month - my progressed chart with transits. This is simply the first day I've found where my pr sun comes up as 0°. I don't know how or why they got it to 0°00, that's beyond me. The day before, pr sun @ 29°59 Aqua. 




Noteworthy, I think:

- Tr sun will be conjunct my natal Saturn, squaring tr moon. 
- Tr Mercury-Venus will be conjunct my progressed Saturn. All fun so far. 
- Tr SN-Saturn will be conjunct my natal sun....um...yeah...

So my natal sun-Saturn mutual reception is flipped over in the transits for that day...a double whammy:

Transiting sun conjunct my Saturn, transiting Saturn conjunct my sun. 

Well it's a solar day I'm looking at, pr sun and its travels, so that's a cool theme. Leaving it at that for brevity's sake but may come back later to squint my eyes and try and see more meaning here. If there is any.  

[Ava]

Sorry for chart extravagance...

Maybe this has been part of my "road map" for most of my life?



^ Pr sun opp natal Saturn which is @ 0° Leo...tr Saturn conjunct my natal sun again (!)

If I make it out of Pisces alive, I'll be 73. Then this could happen:



Transiting Pallas conjunct my progressed Pallas again, transiting Saturn conjunct my sun in Capricorn again, though more widely this time at least. 

So freaky to see Neptune way out in Taurus, right on my draconic sun. And Pluto in PISCES! I actually never thought of that before, that I might live to see it. Uranus in Virgo, whoa....and squaring the nodes of course. Life has to play it high-pitched like that.

Hmm, looks like crazy times.

[lumina]

Well, my pr Sun entered Aquarius, 3 days after I first met (and talked) to P, and actually coinciding with a quarter square in the progressions, though this was exact on 29 degrees, 17 days before we met, with mr pr Sun on 29°57 Cap square pr Moon on 29°57 Aries. 
We met when my pr Sun was still on 29°59 Cap and pr Moon on 00°39 Taurus. 

The year prior HIS pr Venus had entered Pisces. We met in the week his pr Sun was conjunct his n Venus exact.

His own pr Sun entered Aquarius, in the months in between breaking up with his ex and meeting his wife. Well actually astro.com sais it did enter Aquarius exact on the day he was uploading a certain song. (almost exactly 4 years after we originally met and coincidentally on my parent`s wedding anniversary. lol) 

[lumina]

oh and my pr Venus entered Pisces, exact on my birthday in 2017. lol

my pr Moon entered Libra on 4th november 2018. it always changes sign in the beginning of november, every 2 years it seems.

[lumina]

our pr composite Sun entered Aquarius 2 years after we first met, also in may, about a week after the meeting-anniversary , and actually around that time it was the first time since then that I saw him again on stage.

his pr Moon entered Gemini on 28th december 2017, so I suppose for him the signchange might happen at the end of december every 2 years. 

[Ava]

Impressive examples of change there, lumina , thank you.

It's strange looking back, but my romantic life was getting its first real start around that time my pr sun entered Aqua, though I didn't know it. (Seriously, I was always shocked if anyone liked me. That's part of the reason pr sun in Aqua was shocking.) 

edit - trying to cut back with my anecdotes - I drink too much coffee and type too much in the mornings. 

Pr comp sun w/ H @ 0.06 Cap when we reconnected, using his noon chart. Pretty crazy. 

[12YearsABlob]

Mine's only changed signs once so far, which is kind of disappointing.

:edit: OMFG The day I got my first passport, my Sun had progressed to 0° 0' Scorp. The exact day! I didn't think Sun progressions would be so precise, seeing as how slow they are.

This is going to be one of my so-you-don't-believe-in-astrology go-to's, if I ever have to explain or defend it...

[12YearsABlob]

Jun 27, 2019 3:48:35 GMT Ava said:

Sorry for chart extravagance...

Maybe this has been part of my "road map" for most of my life?

Hmm, that's an interesting way to think of it. Makes sense though, like an event chart being in effect for the duration of an event. This "event" lasts three decades. The chart that started it all might colour our experiences along the way.

[anela]

Mine has changed twice. Once to Taurus, when I was around the age of six (opposed my Uranus exactly, so that makes sense for my mother getting engaged to the sociopath). Taurus is my 7th, and that person had the biggest effect on me, and knowing what I didn't want. Taurus changed to Gemini in 2012, conjunct my Moon, Venus, and SN, square Mars in Pisces. Instead of meeting the love of my life, my sister finally got married.

I'm not in the mood to look up charts right now, but I might try later on.

[12YearsABlob]

Do you think the effects of the Uranus opposition were felt throughout, an underlying theme? Or something that coloured all your perceptions since?

This is my chart for the day of progression:

Lovely. I can see how this could be a theme for years 6 through 36. Except the Venus-Asc, where's my Venus-Asc payoff?? I'm still a blob.

[Ava]

12YearsABlob

"The chart that started it all might colour our experiences along the way."

Yes, or...it portends something? I mean there is a lot going on in my 0.00 Aqua ingress chart. ASC-DSC square NN @ 18 fixed in the chart, with tr NN on the DSC. Well my mother would die within that year with tr draco sun @ 18 Aqua...and I guess I could match my timeline to that chart in many other ways. But ASC square nodes in the chart itself matches my struggles to find my path without looking like an idiot.

Your 0.00 Scorpio ingress chart looks intense, dramatic, and successful (that beautiful full moon kite with exalted Taurus moon at apex!) and difficult. Really, sun square Saturn exact, right out of the gate?

"Except the Venus-Asc, where's my Venus-Asc payoff?? I'm still a blob."

LOL....well but seriously, with Venus in the 12th, maybe you just can't see your beauty objectively.


anela

"so that makes sense for my mother getting engaged to the sociopath"

Too sad!

I wonder why your pr sun moving into Gem was unpleasant -- maybe just set off the natal moon-Mars square? By the same taken, I will have the inverse situation in about 20 years, pr sun = natal Pisces moon and squaring natal Gem Mars.

I haven't had the greatest luck with forming meaningful relationships with women I'm related to, except my daughter and I get along great most of the time. I really need for it to stay that way. I'm already seeping into a bit of mourning about her moving out, possibly within the next two years.

[12YearsABlob]

Thank you, Ava . Yeah, they could be predictive rather than static. It's hard for me to pinpoint a single event, though. Or maybe I just don't remember. To me, it feels like all things at once. Yours, on the other hand, does clearly show the life-changing event. As if it was all concentrated in that one blow.

Your comment about your daughter reminds me of something Julia Louis-Dreyfus said about having kids move away from you. "Even when they're born—I remember thinking, Oh, God, I miss that movement in my body. And from there on that story continues: they crawl away from you. They go to school. It's a constant."

Source: here

They go to school, then they leave for college (or jobs). I don't know how you guys do it.

[lumina]

Jun 29, 2019 17:04:37 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Jun 27, 2019 3:48:35 GMT Ava said:

S The chart that started it all might colour our experiences along the way.

Like a birth chart or Return chart. interesting thought. 

Well my Venus has just started to move through Pisces. So this would be the chart that colours my Venusian experiences?






and the synastry with my natal chart

[lumina]

Funny enough pr Mars was exact conjunct natal Venus when my pr Venus changd signs.

[12YearsABlob]

Oh boy - that looks exciting (esp with Mars landing on your Venus). And potentially quite dramatic, with the Moon-Jupiter-Neptune t-square. Saturn on the Dsc and that nodal involvement with your Asc-Mars-Neptune looks pretty significant - do keep us posted.

[lumina]

I will keep you posted, however I wouldn`t count Neptune here, too far off for a progressed chart which it still is. I am inclined to allow Moon-Jupiter though. But anything out of 2-3 degrees does not seem to me so specific for predictive charts.

But agree with the other sthings you pointed out. Also seems P will continue to be part of my life experience, or someone who shares his name. lol

[anela]

Jun 29, 2019 17:17:02 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Do you think the effects of the Uranus opposition were felt throughout, an underlying theme? Or something that coloured all your perceptions since?

I don't know. I have it natally, widely, so there wouldn't be much difference there. I know that I was around that age when I decided that I wouldn't put myself through the crap I saw my mother and other women, putting themselves through with men. I didn't want to be involved with anyone who would deliberately hurt me, or them. I wouldn't punish my family and friends, in favour of a partner who was causing trouble, and so on. You know how you just watch things going on with people, when you're growing up? I knew I didn't want trouble. I wanted fun, not crazy. Sweetness, not constant fights. 

[12YearsABlob]

Hmm, that's a very mature perspective to have. Even though it might frustrate you at times, because it filters out the immature 'bad boys' automatically, I'd venture to say you've sidestepped a lot of other kinds of heartache by having this clarity.

Jul 1, 2019 2:10:04 GMT anela said:

I didn't want to be involved with anyone who would deliberately hurt me, or them. I wouldn't punish my family and friends, in favour of a partner who was causing trouble, and so on. You know how you just watch things going on with people, when you're growing up? I knew I didn't want trouble. I wanted fun, not crazy. Sweetness, not constant fights. 

And that's another good point, toxic relationships affect more people than just the two involved...

[Ava]

Jun 27, 2019 3:14:24 GMT Ava said:

So my natal sun-Saturn mutual reception is flipped over in the transits for that day...a double whammy:

Transiting sun conjunct my Saturn, transiting Saturn conjunct my sun. 

Transiting Saturn has been on my pr sun most of the year, not sure how that works out with the grand scheme of everything but I was saddled with fears about something that ultimately did not even come to pass (Pisces Saturn, imaginary problems?).

These past few years since I wrote that have been pretty difficult. Of course they were difficult for everyone (Covid) and it could have been worse. But I've definitely "sank" a bit under all the weight. I only realize this when the weight is temporarily lifted and I can experience the contrast.

Maybe this is just the way of being for a pr sun in Pisces, though. I watched a video about it where the girl said that pr sun in Aqua is basically more exciting and busy, so mellowing out into Pisces can be hard to adjust to. That may be especially true for me with Mercury in Aqua.

She has videos for all the signs if anyone's interested. For me she's just a little difficult to watch because she has an odd way of "shouting" plosives at the end of her words - I hope it's not a health issue: