true progression angles

[lumina]

Well the way we calcualate the progressed angles is actually not the right one (in alignment with how we progress the secondary planets). 

One day for a year is what we use, but within one day all signs become ASC at some hour. this is widely ignored for the progressed angles, and they are just being moved with the naibod arc which means that our pr ASC just moves one degree a year (approximately). I think it works. 

However there is a possibility to have the true progressed angles, or cotidian angles, they need a very close orb though, because they move very quickly (about a degree per day). 
astrocom recently integrated that feature, you can choose in the extended charts under progression method: "ARMC 361°/prog.day."

If you try it out with specific events, and keeping the orb to one degree, I am interested to see if it matched the event. 
if it was a biggie I think there should have been a progressed or natal planet right on a major angle or the Vertex, within a degree or so. (possibly for some events the other progressed housecups can be telling, too, like if something has to do with messages, Mercury might end up on a main axis OR a planet coming to the progressed 3rd house cups). 


In my case those results are simply mindblowing. And I am glad to see that astro.com finally has included the feature. : )


"Another method of calculating the progressive axes and houses is to apply the equation 1 year = 1 day to the Earth's daily rotation. Since the meridian moves forward by about 361° within a day, it would actually be logical to let the progressive MC run forward by 361° in the course of a year of life. Astrodienst offers this progression method under the designation "ARMC 361° / prog. Day". (Strictly speaking, the other two calculation methods mentioned above for the progressive axes are not real secondary progressions, but primary directions.)"

www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_owtype_e.htm

[Ava]

Feb 12, 2019 14:51:18 GMT lumina said:

astrocom recently integrated that feature, you can choose in the extended charts under progression method: "ARMC 361°/prog.day."

I looked for this in the Round section, in "Chart Type" where the usual progressed chart is listed, but didn't find it.

Where should I look?

[lumina]

Feb 13, 2019 0:31:59 GMT Ava said:

Feb 12, 2019 14:51:18 GMT lumina said:

astrocom recently integrated that feature, you can choose in the extended charts under progression method: "ARMC 361°/prog.day."

I looked for this in the Round section, in "Chart Type" where the usual progressed chart is listed, but didn't find it.

Where should I look?

it is under "display and calculation options" - "progressions"

example: 

my brother and his wife`s progressed composite had at the day their son was being born: 

pr ASC 00 Libra
pr MC 01 Cancer
pr Neptune 00 Cap

the pr IC was just separating by one degree from Neptune, and there had been unclarity about the birth before, and the doctors decided to make a "planned emergency caesarean section". 


interestingly 

my sister in laws progression that day 

pr ASC 1 LIbra (their son has ASC in Libra, though I think around 7 degrees)
pr IC 1 Cap conjunct pr Neptune on 1 Cap - she was of course "drugged" because of the caesarean

my brother had

pr ASC 00 LIbra
pr MC 00 Cancer conjunct natal NN on 1 Cancer (nodal axis is often activated during births, so that is very fitting, and of course it makes sense in terms of his lifepath that was changed too)


When they got married a year later

my brother: 

pr ASC 13 Libra (his natal Venus on 13 Aries on the pr DESC that day)
pr MC 17 Cancer


his wife

pr ASC 14 Libra - isn`t that adorable how their daily progressed angles move hand in hand? lol 

pr MC 19 Cancer

her pr Venus on 14 Aries - right on her pr DESC and just having conjuncted my brothers natal Venus

That is TOO perfect astrologically and symbolically! I seriously had to check twice to make sure I wasn´t seeing things!!!

But nope that is true



their pr composite had pr Juno on 00 Taurus and pr Vertex on 01 Taurus - it was a pretty quick decision to get married (basically 3 weeks before the actual wedding. lol)




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btrw my parent`s daily progressed angles seem to be following each other by just a few days as well like maybe about 3 days difference. 

When they got married, my Mom`s pr IC was on 00 Taurus, highlighting the opposition of my Dad`s Moon on 1 Taurus to her Sun on 3 Scorpio (her Sun was more closely conjunct HIS pr IC on 5 Scorpio) and their pr ASC`s falling onto my natal Sun, my natal Uranus on her pr IC that day (yeah yeah, she was already pregnant.   but she swears that was NOT the reason to get married, just maybe the timing of it. lol )

[lumina]

my best friend had this when she got married

pr IC 14°34 Leo
pr Saturn 14°40 Leo

which is fitting as Saturn rules her DESC natally, and she got married to a Capricorn. 

her husband`s natal Moon is 15°25 Aquarius, so it was in orb of conjunct her pr MC; their wedding vows were very Moon-Saturn-like, actually the priest was complaining that they were picking vows like "old people". lol (they just chose to emphasise the importance of partnership and supporting each other instead of the usual romantic lovey dovey stuff). 


her pr Venus was on 15 Scorpio, squaring this pr axis, and I have noticed that this comes up often, the square to the ASC-DESC or IC-MC-axis, but that it does not have the same effects like a square between planets but seems to rather represent a merging point or a focus or even an illumination of something than being necessarily of conflict (depends on the planet of course and the other aspects). 



her pr Venus was also on her husband`s natal MC, so there was that. 


his pr angles fell onto 29 Virgo and 29 Gemini. pr Vertex on 29 Pisces on the pr DESC exact



their pr composite had pr ASC on 11 Leo (her natal Saturn), square pr NN on 11 Scorpio, which was the reflex point of a Boomerang Yod of Pluto on 12 Libra, Venus 12 Sag (Neptune 13 Sag, Sun 14 Sag), to Jupiter 10 Taurus. 

[lumina]

Oh and this is pretty cool.... 

the day I was being born my Mom had pr DESC 4°48 Pisces (I rectified her birthtime, but I think I have done a good job, it responds accurately to all kind of prediction methods, over the years)

plus
pr Ceres 4°42 Pisces
pr NN 5°54 Pisces


Well she became a mother after all! (NOel Tyl relates the nodal axix to maternal symbolism, while I wouldn`t go just as far, I have noticed it coming up in births in particular a whole lot more than I would have expected), actually in physical births as well as the spiritual kind. 



and she had

pr IC 26°19 Scorpio
pr Sun (which is natally in her 5th house) 26°48 Scorpio



my parents progressed composite had

pr ASC 7 Virgo 
pr Venus 7 Sag (exact on my natal ASC)


my Dad`s pr IC was conjunct his natal Ceres, albeit by 2-3 degrees, and well that was about the time she brought me home, so I guess it was just then that his caring seriously started. in a practical sense I mean. 


BTW his 

pr DESC 8°37 Pisces


my Mom has 

n MC 8°42 Pisces
n NN 8°32 Pisces



and just because it is so hilarious, at the day of my birthday

her pr Moon 6°12 Leo (trine her own n Jupiter 6°05 Aries)

his n Sun 5°18 Aquarius 
his pr Mercury6°07 Aquarius 

[Ava]

Feb 13, 2019 9:31:03 GMT lumina said:

it is under "display and calculation options" - "progressions"

Thank you!

I've read your posts and love that you found so much. Then I just pulled up my marriage progressed chart and it's striking.

In the regular progressions I have IC = NN exact (yet another reason I believe in this rectified time). But with this ARMC 361° prog./day chart, a very interesting new picture emerges where I have DSC @ 22 Aries conjunct 23 Aries Chiron, Cap Moon-Mercury on the IC all tightly conjunct within 2° (24-26° Cap), opp Saturn (28° Cancer) on the MC, about 3° orb. So if I move my angles forward 1° I have an exact moon-IC conjunction squaring an exact Chiron-DSC conjunction. Hmm

Also my ASC when then be 23° Libra which is my sun/Saturn midpoint. 

Interesting how often Saturn-angle conjunctions seem to turn up in all charts pertaining to marriage (like your best friend's pr IC-Saturn...I had that too, just by opposition.) 

Oh and I got pregnant immediately with that moon-IC in effect, and my son's a Cap moon with Saturn on the ASC. 

Hmm, when he was born, my pr chart with this progression method has the sun on the DSC squaring the transiting nodal axis. Similar to what your mother had, when she had you? Only for me the nodes were transiting and squaring my pr ASC-DSC axis.

"(NOel Tyl relates the nodal axix to maternal symbolism, while I wouldn`t go just as far, I have noticed it coming up in births in particular a whole lot more than I would have expected)"

Yes. Well in my family, nodes overlap a lot. 

Can I just say, it's really weird to me that with this pr method, I had moon-IC almost exact in Sag when I stopped talking to H, and then I had moon-IC almost exact AGAIN when I got married? I've looked around and it's not that common, to have that! 

My angles with this progression method don't line up with planets much in the births of my other children, except for my youngest, there's pr Pluto-MC square transiting NN, and this is the birth where I was injected without my knowledge or consent, and I feel Plutonian about that, especially when I have symptoms there now but was never informed of side effects, which include fetal death in some cases. I need to be quiet or I'll go on a total rant. 

[lumina]

Ava


"In the regular progressions I have IC = NN exact (yet another reason I believe in this rectified time)."
Yes, absolutely. And I think the regular progressions are absolutely valid, too. could be that they are more aligned with solar directions though.




"So if I move my angles forward 1° I have an exact moon-IC conjunction squaring an exact Chiron-DSC conjunction. Hmm
"
I wonder if that is possibly the right thing to do then. After all the daily progressed angles change very quickly. And so aspects there should be exact, if they are hinting at a special day, unless of course maybe Transits make for the exactness. 

It is certainly interesting though, Chiron-DESC and Moon-IC is really deep stuff, and with NN=IC as well, definitely about wanting to make a home. 


"Interesting how often Saturn-angle conjunctions seem to turn up in all charts pertaining to marriage (like your best friend's pr IC-Saturn...I had that too, just by opposition.)
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Yes, though in her case it might be also because Saturn rules her DESC. Saturn is the traditional ruler of your DESC, too. Actually it should show up in P`s progressions, too, with his angular Saturn right on the DESC, however it doesn`t. At least not for his wedding. 
Actually the progressions for his wedding seem a "near miss". 
Well there IS Neptune on the progressed MC, but that is not really what I would want to see on a wedding day progressions (too much lack of clarity, too much range of interpretation, from dreamyness to vagueness and a "things aren`t always like they look like", with neptune on the most public angle however, possibly giving a perfect look?

the pr ASC was on 6 Pisces, this was almost conjunct pr Venus (10 Pisces) and almost putting pr DESC onto pr Jupiter (9 Virgo). Well it WAS exactly conjunct my natal Pholus, but that is not the point I guess. 

Well the pr ASC was triggering the pr Venus-Jupiter 1-2 days after the actual wedding. and his natal Mars of course which was opposing pr Venus (and pr Venus exact on my name in hsi chart, and n Mars is on his name in his chart), so asteroidically speaking I (my name) was brought to the foreground (on the pr ASC) about 1-2 days later. lol I did not have anything to do with the wedding of course, so it can just be a coincidence. 

But possibly it was more important because that pr ASC on 6 Pisces was tying in with their composite and their wedding chart itself. 

their composite Venus on 6 Pisces, had been transited by Neptune on 7 Pisces. 
and this was involved in that T-square including 

composite Uranus 5 Sag
Transit/ wedding Saturn 4 Sag

Transit/wedding Moon 4 Virgo


Still his pr Venus and pr Jupiter were out of orb of being pulled into this. But maybe that was the reason for the timing, or that he felt better actually after the wedding than on the actual day? 





"Oh and I got pregnant immediately with that moon-IC in effect, and my son's a Cap moon with Saturn on the ASC. "

Fits




"Can I just say, it's really weird to me that with this pr method, I had moon-IC almost exact in Sag when I stopped talking to H, and then I had moon-IC almost exact AGAIN when I got married? "
that is so interesting.

Well I noticed that almost every year something happens around 22nd/ 23rd august in terms of P and me and some interaction. Turns out at that time int he year his pr ASC falls onto my natal ASC. lol 


" and this is the birth where I was injected without my knowledge or consent, and I feel Plutonian about that, especially when I have symptoms there now but was never informed of side effects, which include fetal death in some cases. I need to be quiet or I'll go on a total rant."
Holy crap! Without your consent? Well that is seriously plutonic domination shit! 

[Ava]

lumina

"Actually it should show up in P`s progressions, too, with his angular Saturn right on the DESC, however it doesn`t. At least not for his wedding."


(That's because he married the wrong person.)

"Well there IS Neptune on the progressed MC, but that is not really what I would want to see on a wedding day progressions (too much lack of clarity, too much range of interpretation, from dreamyness to vagueness and a "things aren`t always like they look like", with neptune on the most public angle however, possibly giving a perfect look?"

Yes. 

"But possibly it was more important because that pr ASC on 6 Pisces was tying in with their composite and their wedding chart itself."

Sounds good. Though, as you said, it was in a t-square and hit with transits. Not a clear Venus picture, though maybe that actually never happens.

"But maybe that was the reason for the timing, or that he felt better actually after the wedding than on the actual day?"

With Virgo Mars-Jupiter, he must have a kind of perfectionist streak, and weddings can be so ridiculously perfectionist anyway. Just a thought.


"Well I noticed that almost every year something happens around 22nd/ 23rd august in terms of P and me and some interaction. Turns out at that time int he year his pr ASC falls onto my natal ASC. lol"

Hmm, with this progression method? I got different pr angles from year to year when I looked at it before. But I don't trust my brain lately and maybe I'm mis-remembering. 

"Holy crap! Without your consent? Well that is seriously plutonic domination shit!"

She never told me that it was a possibility that I might get injected. I gave birth in a birth center with a midwife because I always wanted it as natural and non-invasive as possible. She did the exact opposite, encouraging me to turn my back to her, then injecting me during an especially bad contraction. Never told me she did it. I was in crazy agony for hours and hours and it was the first time I ever asked for codeine after a birth, it was the first time I couldn't cope with the pain, and the codeine didn't even touch my level of pain. Also it took my son a very long time to calm down, and that didn't happen with any other birth.

Days later I was taking my son to the pediatrician and brought my paperwork, and glancing over it, that's where I saw she had injected me. 

Livid is an understatement. So I called her and asked why on earth she had done that and she said meekly, "Preventatively." There was no medical need for it. But apparently when you give birth for the 5th time you are suddenly considered high risk for hemorrhaging...nobody ever mentioned this to me, asked if I wanted to take preventive measures....nothing. And she didn't even tell me she had done it!!!

I said, "Why couldn't you have just punched me as hard as you could, right in the face? Because that would have been a lot less painful."

The fact that my leg still hurts 8 years later.....yeah..........I'm a little bit bitter about that. 

[lumina]

Ava

"(That's because he married the wrong person.)
"
Haha, love that gif! 

And if you think so, ... here was his picture for when we had coffee last summer.  


his pr MC 26°57 Virgo
his n Saturn 26°42 Virgo 
his n DESC 25°37 Virgo

my pr Moon 26°32 Virgo




and

his pr Sun/Moon 7°16 Aries (pr Sun 6 Aqua, pr Moon 8 Gemini)

my pr DESC 6°44 Aries
my pr Juno 6°30 Aries


and

my pr Vertex 15°47 Aries
his pr Ceres 15°35 Aries




"Sounds good. Though, as you said, it was in a t-square and hit with transits."
I actually find that overlay between their composite and marriage chart fascinating, how their Venus-URanus-square got "hit" by the Moon-Saturn-square with inclusion of Neptune (probably to put a bit of a veil about some things). Of course with Tr Neptune on their composite Venus, there might have been that "ultimate romance" idea.
On the other hand I remember the times when Tr Neptune was moving in step with our composite Venus, we actually only really started to talk and interact once this conjunction faded away. Even though there was a lot of thinking, fantasizing etc before, maybe mutually, but it never got anywwhere near a real tangible communication, or whenever it approached it, something happend to hinder it again and make it sort of foggy. 





"With Virgo Mars-Jupiter, he must have a kind of perfectionist streak, and weddings can be so ridiculously perfectionist anyway. Just a thought.
"
Yeah, he was being pretty sick that day though, at least he had been mentioning a nasty cold the days before. 

"
Hmm, with this progression method? I got different pr angles from year to year when I looked at it before."
It is slowly moving, but yes, at the same time the ASC will be roughly the same, actually one degree further ahead than the year before, so it moves slowly. So in fact his pr ASC was this year not on my n ASC on 22nd august, but on 18th august.




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My God, that story about the birth! and this midwife, I do not know what to say, I am really speechless. I am sure you could have sued her because of that, I mean she did not even inform you or ask you, she decided for you, and that sounds deeply unlawful, not to mention unethical to me. 
And to think that you still have those ailments from this...... 

[lumina]

Ava

I just checked the true progressed angles for last saturday, when i was having these interactions with the Italian person of interest. Gave me goosebumps really.

my pr ASC 20 Taurus

so his natal Pluto on 20 Scorpio was on the DESC exact, and obviously his Sun on 20 Aqua (conjunct my solar arc Venus) squared this



my pr MC 22 Capricorn
conjunct Tr Venus-Pluto that day, plus falling onto our composite Sun-Moon-Lilith (22-23 Capricorn), putting his Chiron on 22 Cancer onto the IC.  (my Vertex-Eros is there)



those true progressed angles are really crazy. lol

[Ava]

That's pretty amazing lumina. Almost seems like you were destined to be there? You didn't plan the timing that way and had no control over when the opportunity to see him was offered (show dates).

As a side note, I think Venus-Pluto conjunctions are simply not my cup of tea...those of you with the natal Venus-Pluto aspects seem to handle them a lot better.

[lumina]

Ava


Nö did Not Plan IT.

Interesting about the Pluto Observation. P and ne both have the squares.
Lancelot Had Pluto Opposition Sun and the Italien Person of interest Had Pluto square Sun exact.

[lumina]

Oh and of course p's wife Had a wide Opposition of Mars in 10 Taurus to Pluto on4 Scorpio.

[lumina]

Today my true pr MC changed into Aquarius (0°55 Aquarius). (pr Moon is exact on my natal MC on 4-5 Libra)

[12YearsABlob]

Thanks for pointing this out, lumina. I only saw the option by chance. The day I saw it, I had pr Chiron conj pr Asc. Interestingly, I had just been telling myself I had to push through the next few days and I'd be in the clear.

[12YearsABlob]

Mar 4, 2019 11:38:03 GMT lumina said:

Today my true pr MC changed into Aquarius (0°55 Aquarius). (pr Moon is exact on my natal MC on 4-5 Libra)

Did anything happen to correspond with that?

[lumina]

Well I`ve been rather outspoken publicly. lol
But honestly thinking I would expect more to happen if there were planets on the angles exact.

7th march was a big one, and actually today, too. Eventwise I mean.

on 7th march my true progressed DESC was on 7 Sagittarius, partile conjunct my natal DESC on 7 Sag, and applying to pr NN within 0°39 - oh yes! It was conjunct P``s natal Mercury on 9 Sag, and there`ve been some communicating there, and apparently I puzzled him with something I said and made him concerned as he took it pretty serious, but we`ve cleared it up since then. That alone is crazy to me, to see how much our connection has developed to this stage.


And today,

my true progressed DESC on 11°01 Sag conjunct pr Neptune on 11°19 SAg conjunct natal NN on 10°09 Sag

plus

true progressed Vertex on 1°25 Scorpio conjunct pr Uranus on 2°28 Scorpio and natal URanus on 1°21 Scorpio on natal 11th house cusp.

progressed Venus on 1°32 Pisces trine that natal Uranus, and being conjunct pr 11th house cusp (1°06 s) - and yes the other housecusps count.


pr Moon has just passed over my natal MC by 5 minutes of orb. (it was 3 minutes applying with the 7th march communication and I can say that I`ve been pretty visible. lol)


Well those match the experience very clearly, I mean for today the 11th house- Uranus factor cannot be dismissed, and the Aqua-Italian was just thinking of paying my fb-page another short visit. lol It is not a huge thing of course, but I like being "seen" I guess.

It`s just nice.