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Post by Ava on May 28, 2017 16:57:35 GMT
Your descriptions are always so accurate and comprehensive, the89freespirit . It's just amazing...thank you. Here's what I noticed: Re: Sag rising Along with what's already been said, I am taking note of their smiling eyes. Sometimes their eyes are smiling even when they get into serious topics. And I've noticed just a bit of instability sometimes, when things deviate from the Sag energy, and they can't rectify that fast enough - it's as if they feel obligated to keep the energy moving upwards at all times, if not with humor and levity, then with intellectual respectability, or beauty, or as you were saying, by speaking the truth. I also feel like these people are plumbing their own depths, moving their eyes back and forth like they are searching their minds, trying to figure out the best possible answers. I mean, when Marlon Brando's interviewer was raving about him, you could practically see that all the gears in his mind were working on some kind of funny, self-deprecating retort. These people "crack" sometimes. It's only obvious because they are so good at not cracking, at keeping it all together, that the cracks show more clearly. Just like if you can lift a very heavy weight, it will make a much heavier noise if you drop it. Ellen is perfectly brilliant but sometimes goes just a little bit wonky, and I feel like her eyes are registering that as a serious concern. Maybe that's her Virgo MC. I'm so glad you mentioned the MCs because I think they explain a lot of the variations here. Kevin Kline struck me as exquisite but awkward. I wondered if he has Neptune aspecting the ASC, so I checked his chart. His moon is at 28.42° Aqua, close to the Pisces Cusp, and square his ASC by about 4°. He also has a Virgo MC. While I'm going through these, I considered Oprah noticeably more balanced than some of the others, and guessed that her ASC would be closer to Capricorn, for Saturnine stability. Sure enough her ASC is @ 29.41° Sag, AND she has the Libra MC. As for Brad Pitt, when the camera switched from Katie Couric to him the first time, I almost gasped at how beautiful he was, I was shocked by it even though I've seem him a million times. So I wondered if Uranus aspected his ASC. And yes it does: 10° Virgo Uranus, 11° Sag ASC. (His ASC conjunct my Neptune, maybe that's why I was sensitive to the Uranus, also.) Finally, Jimi Hendrix seemed non-Sag rising to me, because his eyes weren't smiling. I checked his chart for Saturn influence; Gemini Saturn opposes his 12H sun-Venus, so that might explain his more serious demeanor. But also, Cancer Jupiter is conjunct his Cancer moon; Jupiter quinunx the ASC & square the Libra MC. He is more sensitive and pensive than the other Sag risings. Re: Scorpio rising "I think that's the thing that can make people so uncomfortable around Scorpio Risings. You feel like there is another agenda at play that you don't know and like they have the upper hand because of that." Yes! "So, it can really overwhelm you and seem vaguely threatening or untrustworthy, in some way." Maybe that's also part of the way they seduce people? We think that if we can get closer to them, we can prevent them from harming us? I know I've felt that before. "Also, it's interesting just how their behavior manifests in such extremes. They take that role they assume and play it in an all-or-nothing way. River is the quintessential angst-ridden young person, Jessica can seem like a complete airhead and Bjork can come off as super-sweet and incredibly childlike. And, of course, Robin is breathlessly, relentlessly funny (as is Jim Carrey, another Scorpio Rising comic). It does highlight the black-or-white, wholehearted nature of Scorpio. So, it does make sense that it will come out, in the Ascendant, as a very dramatic kind of persona and demeanor." Just repeating this because I love it. 👍
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2017 17:04:12 GMT
Excellent work guys. Thank you for all the information and observations you are sharing. I wonder if we should make a good old "guess my Ascendant" thread. I don't mind to be the first to share my picture, since we don't have that many members and I like everyone here. Thank you! I probably can't guess your ASC from a photograph alone. I don't want to ask for too much and request a video....but if you post a video, I will definitely be happy to see if I can guess the ASC. We should be finished this whole study soon, I'll be posting Cap rising later today or tomorrow.
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2017 17:07:41 GMT
Maybe that should be moved to the Scorpio rising thread. Sorry! I think the song shows what you were talking about, though. Revealing, but also vague. It's perfect here, and you're right. She really is mysterious. Even with developing her own unique style of music, it leaves people wondering where that all came from. "Crucify" is a rather Scorpio Rising song, though it's also a perfect illustration of her Virgo stellium (and she has Virgo Pluto on the MC!)
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Post by the89freespirit on May 28, 2017 17:59:30 GMT
Back at you, Ava. I enjoy hearing your perspective because when it comes to this, I take note of more general things like their behavior and their energy and the ways they're interacting with others. I'm very much about people's "vibes" in terms of figuring this out. But, I like how you can focus on seemingly minor things like the eyes and what they're doing and making such great points. You're right. They are all smiling with their eyes, in some way or another, or "smizing" as Tyra Banks, a Sagittarius Sun, would say. It does create that warmth with all of them and that sense of them being easy to be around or with. Also, that's a great observation about them not wanting to crack. You do also have to consider things like the sign on the 12th, which is essentially what the person is hiding or what they deal with on a deeply internal level. With Scorpio on the 12th, it would make sense that they would avoid "breaking down", which is what Scorpio can also represent. Not necessarily breaking down in tears but having a sort of meltdown due to everything that's been pent up. And also, being destroyed or destroying someone else isn't something that they want to do out in the open and for all to see. So, they do really strive to keep things light and keep themselves buoyant and upbeat, not bringing perceived negative energy to others and blocking any perceived negative energy coming from others. Yet, they do secretly have a ton of depth. It comes out in a more philosophical or intellectual way. But, they can privately struggle with that raw, intense dark side of themselves all while presenting a happy or casual face to everyone else, possibly to a degree that overcompensates (I remember a quote from a director Michael worked with who called him "annoyingly cheerful", haha). I do like noting the subtle differences between them, as well. Brad does have more of a Uranus-like "coolness" to him. So, the square does make sense. It also proves how Uranus or Aquarius touching the Ascendant can produce people who are seen as abnormally, startlingly attractive (your reaction to him, especially since that interview is him at his prime, is very warranted, haha). And yes, it is interesting how aspects to the chart ruler can come into play, as well. It makes sense that Jimi's Moon is conjunct his chart ruler because he expresses the Sagittarius energy in a much more reflective and sensitive manner, especially with the conjunction being in Cancer. It just goes to show that there are so many nuances in a person's chart to consider. Can't wait to see your Capricorn Rising list and observations!
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2017 19:50:40 GMT
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Post by Ava on May 30, 2017 1:13:46 GMT
CAPRICORN John Belushi, Charles Bronson, Alan Alda, Clark Gable, Sophia Loren, Sean Connery, Ray Bradbury, Mark Hamill, Howie Mandell, Keifer Sutherland, Trent Reznor, Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, Zac Efron, Meg Ryan, Diane Sawyer, Dakota Johnson, Gisele Bundchen, Monica Bellucci, Elizabeth II, Val Kilmer, Alison Kraus, Lauren Conrad, Joan Jett, Carrie Fisher, Martin Sheen Capricorn Rising 1. Sophia Loren (@ 0:40) 2. Sean Connery3. Ray Bradbury4. Trent Reznor5. Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward (@ 0:23) 6. Zac Efron7. Meg Ryan8. Dakota Johnson9. Gisele Bundchen10. Val KilmerFrom cafeastrologyThere’s a seriousness to Capricorn rising people that is unmistakable. Even when they’re joking around, it’s of the deadpan variety. In fact, plenty of very humorous people have Capricorn Ascendants. It’s all in the timing…and the fact that they don’t giggle before the joke is over.
Capricorn Ascendant people project competence. They simply ooze it. They’re generally very image-conscious people–the clothes they wear and their manner are a big deal to them. They want to appear successful, and they generally succeed!
Often the Ascendant persona is the one that was forced upon us by family conditioning. For example, parents may label their Libra Ascendant child the “nice” one; their Aries Ascendant child the “independent” one; and their Pisces Ascendant child is generally the space cadet of the family. We adopt these roles as familiar ones, and often carry them with us as our defense mechanisms, in some way or another, for the rest of our lives. In the case of Capricorn Ascendants, these were the children who were considered the responsible ones. Sometimes, it was they themselves who looked around them and felt the need to be the structured, dependable, and responsible members of the family. So, often, Capricorn rising people adopted a strong sense of tradition, family, and responsibility at a very young age.
Capricorn rising people are generally big on family, and forever worry about security–for themselves and their dependents. They come across to others as hard-working, competent, and dependable people. What others may not see under that cool, even suave, exterior, is an inner struggle: they often ask themselves, “Am I doing enough?”, “Do I deserve all of this?”, “How can I make things better?” They worry a lot about the future.
If success seemed to have come easy to these folks, it hasn’t. They just made it look that way with a patient, hard-working, driven personality. Some Capricorn rising people practice some form of self-denial. They know how to do away with the frivolous. Still, they’ll spend money on the clothes they really want (the ones with the right labels, that is), and other status symbols. Although they’re rarely showy, their quiet air of success is often a result of conscious effort.
More often than not, Capricorn rising individuals are success stories. Their childhoods may have been difficult, but they slowly but surely turn their lives around. Saturn rules this Ascendant, and this generally means a kind of backwards way of living–as children, they are serious and bear a lot of responsibility; and as they grow up, they age beautifully, learning how to loosen up.
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Post by Ava on May 30, 2017 1:50:52 GMT
What I noticed most of all....
1) Confronting extremes:
Harshness, a close association with rock bottom. Joanne Woodward saying Paul Newman basically repulsed her by looking too put-together, him retorting he had virtually nothing and had to work his a$$ off trying to project that image. Zac Efron saying DeNiro knew nothing about him. Dakota Johnson talking about her hard no-win situation with the press.
On the other hand these people all seem to feel relieved talking about the intense work that they, their family members, and their associates are doing. Meg Ryan boasting that her son has worked for so many hours on film even from a young age. Sophia Loren saying she is determined and gets whatever she sets her mind to. Gisele Bundchen actually taking credit for a huge energy shift at the Super Bowl, with her meditation. Ray Bradbury lighting up to talk about his turning point towards success.
As a Cap sun I recognize this "do or die" mentality, which can be a little brutal. I think it stems from a fundamental orientation of wanting to deal with concrete facts, engaging with reality as honestly as possible, and deriving power from that close observation of what's actually happening or not happening. This gives them leverage; you can either stick with the facts and with them, or make yourself look silly taking some other route.
I remember meeting my friend's Cap ASC boyfriend the first time. As he left he said, "Right, girls, have fun talking about me behind my back now." And he just waved us off like, "See, this is the crap I have to deal with in life."
2) I see their energy is a bit forceful, not in an arrogant way usually, but like they are exhibiting strong effort with everything.
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Post by the89freespirit on May 30, 2017 6:05:13 GMT
I'm finding it interesting how most of them didn't deviate much from one another. The majority of them came off as very much the same; at least, from my point of view. It could show just how image-conscious Capricorn Rising is. Since they are so fixated and intent on seeming put-together and respectable, it would make sense that a lot of them would act very similarly, more than a few of the other Rising signs we've looked at. It reflects that command they all seem to have over themselves. That is a spot-on observation about talking about their efforts and their work, Ava . It proves again that most of the Rising signs are fixated with a certain conversation piece or direction. I would imagine that Capricorn Rising would be the most delighted at being asked the "what do you do" question when they meet someone because this is how they generally engage with the world around them. It doesn't seem haughty or arrogant or to "show off". It just seems like they really want to convey that they are a respectable person with something practical and substantial to offer the world. Talking about what they've achieved is one of the best ways to do that. I noticed how Zac and Dakota were far more self-deprecating than the others. I feel like that reflects just how hard they can be on themselves when they're younger because they feel like they haven't gotten as far as everyone else. Trent was around the same age as them in his interview and even though he's not as hard on himself as they are, he doesn't seem as confident as the others. There is something noticeably reticent and hesitant about him there. The ones who are older - nearing, in, or beyond middle age - seem much more self-assured, probably because they have had much more time to work out all of those Capricorn self-doubts and feelings of inadequacy. It's like they are more relaxed and more at peace with themselves, totally proving that "they get better as they get older" theory. So, Capricorn Rising might be one of the easiest Ascendants to spot, from the looks of it, because they really do come off as the way they're described in the typical profiles, except for the fact that none of them seem "depressing" to be around. There is a real steadiness to them, as well. Not a lot of modulations, pauses, or varied inflections in the voice (although not exactly monotone, either). Everything is expressed in a very straight, dead-on way. Interacting with the world is an ongoing goal to them. So, even if it's just a conversation, their response is a goal. They say what they need to say and nothing more, reflecting more of that restraint and desire for respectability. And they also want to get to where they need to go in the interaction as effectively as they can. All of the interviews really went very smoothly. No missteps, tangents, awkward moments, or even mistakes. Dakota was the only one who got a little flustered or thrown off. But, even then, it only lasted for a few seconds and then she got back on track. I think that reflects the Capricorn suaveness and, again, that desire to do a good job at whatever they're doing. And yes, the competence, as well. Also, it makes sense that they would have a strong energy, not only because they're generally so focused on the matter at hand (and, in doing so, can't get too caught up in your feelings) but because of the effort that they put into what they're doing. I've also learned that the vast majority of Capricorn Risings have a Scorpio MC for some reason. It's quite rare to find one with a Libra MC. So, that does factor into how they portray themselves publicly, giving them that strong Scorpio-like image. And your friend's boyfriend's first impression is very Capricorn, haha. I also think that because their basic viewpoint isn't overly sensitive, they may do a terrible job of reading and feeling out the situation that they're in, especially if they have more Earth or Fire in their chart. I feel like that can actually bring out or cause some social awkwardness whenever they're not in a professional circumstance. An interview is a professional situation for an actor or public figure. Who knows how smoothly any of these people would behave if we just met them on the street? And, in fact, a few of their stories confirm that. Once a Capricorn Rising doesn't have their parameters, they can misjudge or freeze in terms of what to do or say. I'm sure this is why they tend to be very reserved or self-contained outside of their comfort zone of work, at least until they get to know you. After all, Sagittarius is on their 12th House cusp. So, they really don't want to embarrass themselves and their secret (12th House) is that they can totally do so if they don't know what's expected of them. Anyways, I'm thrilled to do Aquarius Rising, for slightly selfish reasons because I get to talk about myself, too! Will be posting either tomorrow or Wednesday.
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Post by Ava on May 30, 2017 14:40:14 GMT
Phenomenal, the89freespirit . "I've also learned that the vast majority of Capricorn Risings have a Scorpio MC for some reason. It's quite rare to find one with a Libra MC. So, that does factor into how they portray themselves publicly, giving them that strong Scorpio-like image." YES -- this matches what I was saying about how they come across as forceful...another word would be penetrating, more of a Scorpio trait. "Trent was around the same age as them in his interview and even though he's not as hard on himself as they are, he doesn't seem as confident as the others. There is something noticeably reticent and hesitant about him there." True. Later in the interview he talks about how he and his band cut a deal with a record company on the condition that the company just leave them alone because they knew exactly what they wanted, and they did not welcome "help" or interference. I felt that was a very Capricorn stance, ie, "We're at the pinnacle, we can do it the best way." "Everything is expressed in a very straight, dead-on way." Yes! They're not taking time to flirt, smile for no reason, engage the interviewer with superfluous questions for fun's sake. It's "you asked, so here's the answer." Looking forward to Aqua ASC
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Post by the89freespirit on May 30, 2017 17:19:11 GMT
Aquarius Rising
1. David Bowie2. Shia LaBeouf3. Alicia Silverstone4. Barack Obama5. Sarah Michelle Gellar (starts at 0:47) 6. Ryan Phillippe7. Ian Somerhalder8. Aaliyah9. Matt Damon10. Audrey HepburnCafe Astrology Profile: How unique and original Aquarius rising natives come across! These individuals are just that — individuals, and they won’t let you forget that fact. Often turned to for advice, these natives possess intellectual poise and savvy. They often are curious, and quite learned, in both science and metaphysics–anything that involves advancement of the human race holds much appeal.
It’s hard to shock an Aquarius rising. They’ve seen it all, or at least want you to think they have. In fact, they often enjoy shocking others. Not that they are flamboyant by nature, but they do like to, albeit quietly, get a rise out of others. Some natives born with Aquarius on their Ascendant can be quietly provocative and irreverent.
Most people with this Ascendant are quite friendly and likable. Their personality quirks generally go over quite well with others. They generally give others quite a bit of freedom–accepting, as a rule, people from all walks of life as equals. And, their somewhat cool and detached curiosity about all that goes on around them appeals to most.
Curiously, Aquarius rising people can be a little standoffish while also coming across as humanitarian and kind.
Often labeled as independent and original children, Aquarius rising natives often feel a little “different” or “special” throughout life. They often feel like they are on the outside looking in, and their ability to observe and deduce is often uncanny. They’re also adept at getting things to work, even when the parts that make up the whole seem like a puzzle with unusual pieces–especially when it comes to groups of people. This sets them apart as managers and team leaders.
The Ascendant often reveals physical mannerisms and even choice of dress, as it shows how people present themselves to the world. With Aquarius here, natives sometimes have a quirkiness to their manner, and some dress in a slightly offbeat manner–not enough to make them stand out like a sore thumb, but just enough to express their original temperament.
Because these people seem so open to new ideas, it may be surprising when you encounter their decidedly stubborn streak. Aquarius is a fixed sign, after all. The ascendant sign shows how individuals react to new situations, and with Aquarius rising, there can be a resistance to change that seems to belie the native’s generally progressive nature. There’s a distinct inflexibility with Aquarian rising people, and, sometimes, a tendency to want to force their opinions on others.
With their eye to the future of mankind as a whole, some people born with an Aquarius Ascendant overlook the more personal needs of the people closest to them. They are often attracted to partners who possess self-confidence and ardor.
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Post by the89freespirit on May 30, 2017 17:52:38 GMT
Yay for my spirit animals! Haha. I really can see a lot of myself in all of these people. I feel like I have such a better understanding of the Rising signs now and how to spot them. So, again, Ava , this project has been so helpful and useful! First off, the emphasis on uniqueness and individuality is probably the most defining trait in Aquarius Rising. It often comes out in a way that is just blatantly weird, quirky, or eccentric, like Shia's whole art project, Alicia's way of feeding her son, or David's artistic sensibilities and processes, in general. But, it is less stereotypically odd or peculiar in other examples. Still, the major cry of "I'm different" or "I'm unique" shines through. I have always said that about myself, ad nauseum. Aquarius' individuality is also expressing uniqueness in juxtaposition to the convention or normality of other people (instead of the "what do you think about me" individuality of Leo). So, it also comes out in a manner that insists on thinking differently and going against popular opinion or someone's else view. Sarah writing an article speaking out against common misconceptions of young actors or David's amazingly prophetic insistence, in 1999 and in the face of the interviewer's skepticism, that the Internet will be a very central part of our culture in the future. I can see the same thing in myself in how much I've gone against common opinions of placements on my blog and insisted on my own ideas. Aquarius Rising is never afraid to be the one who thinks differently. It's the part of ourselves that we very easily present to others. It's that contrary element of Aquarius and it's very obvious. And it also reveals amazing insight. I remember talking to you, Faith, and you saying that I came across as very wise in my videos. But, comparing the Capricorn Rising videos to these people, the wisdom in Aquarius is actually much more apparent. This is because our Saturn influence is filtered through Air. So, we are very eager to communicate our wisdom and spread these advanced or insightful ideas that will really help people, which is the aim of Aquarius. Capricorn's wisdom seems more self-focused and more about surviving or succeeding. They seem to keep a lot of that knowledge to themselves for their own purposes. We are able to use our inner wisdom in a progressive way that will get people to think differently or open their minds. Again, you can see times where they challenge the interviewer's perceptions, like Shia giving a different, more compassionate perspective on Internet bullying and Audrey bringing more clarity and objectivity to the topic of relief work and humanitarian aid. With either profound Scorpio or philosophical Sagittarius on the MC, this makes sense (while a Capricorn Rising with a Scorpio MC seems more intent on portraying power or strength publicly than deep insight). Speaking of which, everyone does generally seem really nice. But, it's a peculiar kind of niceness. Aquarius Risings usually feel like we're aloof, detached, and/or distant. You can see moments in each interview where the person looks bored, like they're more interested in their own thoughts, or like they don't exactly care about what's being said. I have those moments all the time where I'm half-listening and my mind is somewhere else and I'm convinced that it's showing. But, that's because our minds are so charged and busy, taking in everything all the time, and easily bored by "basic" things. Yet, we still come off as very nice people. It's surprising to me how I'm always described as kind. I wouldn't say I'm a terrible person. But, again, I can be very hot-and-cold as I can easily get sick of people (the classic "Aquarius loves humanity but hates people" thing). Still, I think it's our huge curiosity about people and our natural response of being fair, laidback, and unpretentious that really wins people over and makes us seem so likable. Also, you can really see the wheels turning with every person. We really do think while we speak (as opposed to before we speak or after we speak). It's why Barack's speech can be so halting. Usually, Aquarius Risings do have a very quick speech pattern. But, there are definite halts and abrupt tangents or detours in many of these examples in which it's clear how much and how randomly or quickly they're thinking. Watching my own videos, I see how I am the same way. It's the Uranus influence, as you never really know where we're going with what we're going to say and sometimes we don't either. I think it's something that can give us that "mad professor" air even more because it's clear how fixated on our thought patterns (Fixed Air) we can be. Alicia, Audrey, and Sarah all have the Moon in Pisces in the 1st. Their speech comes off as more easily fluid, probably because they're coming from a more instinctual (Moon) place, something Alicia says in her interview. They aren't thinking as heavily but you can still see how they're going with all of the rapid-fire currents of their brain.
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Post by Ava on May 31, 2017 4:48:41 GMT
Thanks the89freespirit ! I really appreciate your notes because by the third or fourth video, I knew I was going to have a problem pinpointing common elements. It only makes sense that such an individualistic ASC would present itself differently in each case. I started to feel like I was getting a sense of something that I didn't even know how to latch onto and describe. Almost like a sense of a hovercraft, just easily zooming over a whole landscape without the usual constraints. At the same time, I do see how Saturn could be co-ruled of Aquarius, as these people are grounded and tend to have serious matters they want to discuss. Yes, they are nice but aloof. Intelligent without seeming to have an interest in putting on airs or deriving ego satisfaction from it. Some of these people almost seem to conceive of themselves as prototypes for a future kind of human, or groundbreakers, people who reinvent the whole game. So even while doing strange things, there is always a more universal purpose to it, with an eye to social dynamics and how one might influence them for the better. Like Ryan Phillipe taking on the role of the first gay teen on daytime television, or Alicia's radical approach to diet. The strange mix of trailblazer and humility sort of confounds me. It's a little hard to know where to focus. This seems to me like the ASC I would be most likely to get wrong, if I were challenged to guess it. As I was watching Matt Damon, I had this idea that maybe I could approach this intuitively by imagining what it would be like to connect with him, assuming his ASC was near my DSC. (Afterwards I saw our angles are indeed tightly conjunct, I'll chalk that up to synastry, then.) I just got a sense that my Leo energy would be asking Aqua to narrow and concentrate its focus, and warm up accordingly. Leo ASC social mechanisms are all geared towards that: "Look at ME. Look." Maybe in a healthy interaction Leo ASC can alleviate Aqua ASC's sense of social burden for a while, by setting more of here-and-now tone. We're not saving the world, we are just chilling out as people. And then Aqua ASC returns the favor by drawing Leo ASC attention to the fact that, "Look it really doesn't matter how well you perform, take it easy, the world doesn't care that much about you anyway, honestly." hehehe I've also taken the route of trying to see Aqua ASC by focusing on how it differs from some other Aqua placements (sun, moon, Mercury). The best I can think of is, these Aqua ASC people actually do fit within the establishment, even though they stand out within it. I mean, it appears that Aqua ASC is usually in contrast with their surroundings, and wanting to focus on that: other kids were in the lunchroom, but I was over there. Other people were dressing up but I put a bag over my head. Other people have stunt men but see, here I am misplaced, an actor being the stuntman. All kinds of things like that...because the ASC is our public appearance. So they appear different. My Aqua ASC friend got married in the coolest, most funky outfit ever, and laughed when certain people had no sense of humor about it. Other Aqua placements might stand out, but not in the same way, it's more like the thinking may lead to a much higher, legendary station in life (George Washington, Oprah, Kate Middleton, Bobby Fischer)...or the thinking is just so odd that the people aren't really participating in the system at all, they're out in left field. Aqua ASC seems better equipped to FIT as misfits, to cope with the social pressure of being different. They find a way to do it gracefully, it seems....for the most part. Shia was a little extremely out there.
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Post by the89freespirit on May 31, 2017 14:20:29 GMT
I love these observations, Ava ! It does make sense that this would be the Ascendant that you would feel most puzzled by because it is your opposing Rising sign. But, it sounds like you have a pretty spot-on understanding of it, at the same time. The relationship between Leo and Aquarius is very complicated, yes. I have my Sun and SN in Leo, so I'm actually more capable of slipping into "look at me" mode than the typical Aquarius Rising. I also have had great and complicated relationships with Leo types throughout my entire life, feeling alternately delighted by their colorful company and wanting to strangle them for being so self-absorbed or dramatic (especially these days, as I lean more on my Aquarius side). But, I will always love my Leos. I do think these signs are the opposite that can come to a better understanding than many of the other opposing pairings. Again, they are both so individualistic but in very different ways. Even when I was living more in my South Node territory, I still had this sense that I had something to offer, beyond my special performance, that could change things or help people or bring everyone together. I feel like, because this is my North Node, that higher ideal was hard to articulate when I was younger. But, as I've progressed through adulthood, it's become clearer and clearer. Still, ever since I could remember, I always had a strong sense of "I am this and everyone else is that" in literally everything I did and everywhere I went. That is just something the Aquarius Rising grows up with and is conditioned with. So, we wear our quirks and our differences on our sleeves, to the degree that it's not a big deal. I am not exactly sure that we are more graceful about it. But, we are very comfortable with it, so it registers as a real confidence or freedom of the self. I like the "fitting in as misfits" phrase. I feel like the Aqua Suns are more like body-snatching aliens who convincingly dress up as humans. The Risings don't and can't really hide our alien quality. It registers to varying degrees and in different styles, clearly based on all of the examples, but it's always there. I think another major difference is that, because the Sun is about ego and positive reinforcement, the Aquarius Suns rely far more on being logical, friendly, and progressive, which are more "acceptable" qualities, than strange and quirky. It's like their weirdness comes from the fact that they are like walking calculators and don't process things like other people (too brilliant to fit in syndrome). But, they don't seem as eccentric as the Risings. I have a close friend with this Sun sign and he can definitely be aloof and highly intellectual. But, even though he has his offbeat moments, I am far more free-spirited and unconventional because the Rising just does what it wants, with or without reinforcement from others. Also, I do fondly remember a time where I loved to dress very oddly, too. I was in the ninth grade and I felt like I was expressing some rebellion against the conformity of the adolescent social hierarchy (I really did talk like that when I was 14, haha). I went so wild that a few of the things I wore got laughed at or derided. Yet, I ultimately felt more comfortable with myself by the end of that phase. For some reason, I just needed to carve out that weird niche for myself where I was doing what no one else was. And in doing so, I felt like I was living up to some higher ideal, i.e. being an example of going against expectations and not giving into social pressure. But, as an adult, I'm more about dressing uniquely and not wearing what everyone's wearing than dressing shockingly.
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Post by Ava on Jun 1, 2017 14:47:22 GMT
Sorry for the delay ~ "I was in the ninth grade and I felt like I was expressing some rebellion against the conformity of the adolescent social hierarchy (I really did talk like that when I was 14, haha)." LOL I can imagine you talking like that at 14. My brother is super eccentric with his sun conjunct Mercury in Aqua, in his youth he wore some outlandish clothes, but over time I did come to see that other Aquarians usually aren't like that. (Maybe he's Aqua rising, I don't have his birth time.) I think a lot of Aqua suns are super intelligent social climbers who know that wild costumes will confuse people and prevent them from seeing just how logical the Aqua is. They'd rather be influential than seen as crazy...although, sometimes when a person is pioneering a new idea or style, it can go either way...it's a little hard to predict whether the public will ridicule them or embrace it as brilliant. I think Amal Clooney makes a lot of daring choices with her style, considering the seriousness of her profession, but she always gets away with it. She can basically do no wrong at this point, she has so much character and success that she is a style icon. When my sun progressed into Aquarius and especially when it was conjunct my natal Mercury @ 5 Aqua...transiting Uranus was conjunct that point, along with Jupiter for a time. Those were the days. Several people would ask me, "Where do you get your sense of style?" And I would just look at them blankly, like "This is a style?" I would just go to thrift shops and purchase whatever I felt looked good on me. I had this one blouse that was all embroidered with flowers around the v-neck collar, probably belonged to a grandmother before I claimed it, and I thought nothing of it until I got so many compliments and my friends started looking for embroidered shirts, also. That was my one big success with trendsetting. (So Cap, that it would be the "Granny shirts are awesome" trend. LOL) Anyway, I'm happy you saw what I meant with Aqua ASC fitting in as misfits. Pisces Rising coming soon!
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Post by the89freespirit on Jun 1, 2017 15:42:36 GMT
Yes, the Suns do become very influential and in a way that's ahead of their time. You can see so many of them becoming hugely iconic and game-changing in their own eclectic ways: Oprah, Ellen, James Dean, Thomas Edison, Charles Darwin, Paris Hilton. So, yes, the uniqueness within the Suns is a bit less kooky (except for the Yoko Ono's of the group) and leans more toward sheer innovation or changing of the status quo. You can see that same iconic status in the Risings too, like Obama and Bowie. Random observation: With the Rising examples, I also noticed that most of the actors, except for Matt, have had one or two highly memorable roles (Cher in Clueless, Buffy, Sebastian in Cruel Intentions, Breakfast at Tiffany's/Roman Holiday) that they were never able to top. I think that shows how Aquarius can both understand the zeitgeist and surpass it, becoming timeless (a more Saturn-like concept). All of those iconic roles of theirs have stood the test of time and are still as beloved. But, they were never able to capture that Uranus lightning-in-a-bottle level of success and recognition in their other roles. I find that very interesting. It may be their fate as the Aquarius influence prevents them from getting too caught up in fame to the point of letting it go to their heads. Uranus is like, "Okay, you've had your time in the spotlight. Now do something else" which is what leads many of them toward other interests/projects. And that does show how progressed placements can act as a supplement to one's natal placements, letting that energy get expressed in a different way. With your Sun in Capricorn, you will have a classic sensibility, which can be chic or can be granny shirts. But, the progressed Aquarius Sun made you express that with a unique, interesting twist that stood out. My progressed Sun is now in Virgo and I'm not sure I feel much of a difference, seeing as how I already have three personal planets in Virgo. Anyways, looking forward to Pisces Rising! I'm best friends with one and as a person with Virgo placements, I feel a special connection to them.
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Post by Ava on Jun 1, 2017 16:07:08 GMT
"With the Rising examples, I also noticed that most of the actors, except for Matt, have had one or two highly memorable roles..." So true! I had that thought mumbling in the background of my mind as I was watching, but it never made it to the actual thought stage. Matt Damon blew my mind with Good Will Hunting and I've actually almost resented him for branching out to other roles, as it makes Good Will Hunting less real. I want him to stay in that character forever. And so Aqua ASC that he was a mathematician there. Be back soon with the fishies. I don't know any Pisces ASCs in real life, so this will be an education. Edit: Oops, my own son is Pisces rising! I just hardly ever think of it on its own, because it's ASC-Jupiter-Uranus very tight, part of a grand cross. Plus it forms other aspects. Quite a feat of his to arrive at such a dramatic time, maybe a reflection of the psychic ASC.
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Post by Ava on Jun 2, 2017 11:14:01 GMT
Pisces risingBela Lugosi, Antonio Banderas, Whitney Houston, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jason Alexander, Sean Hannity, Laura Dern, Mary Tyler Moore, Deepak Chopra, Jenna Elfman, Demi Moore, Johnny Cash, Richard Pryor, Mario Lopez, Wayne Dyer, Robert Redford, Mark Knopfler, Walt Disney, Ringo Starr ---- 1. Antonio Banderas2. Whitney Houston (@ 1:50) 3. Gwyneth Paltrow4. Jason Alexander5. Mary Tyler Moore6. Deepak Chopra7. Johnny Cash8. Jenna Elfman9. Mario Lopez10. Robert RedfordFrom cafeastrology:“Go with the flow” seems to be a Pisces rising motto. They move about the world in a vaguely directionless, gentle manner. They come across as artists and lovers of peace; but their open minds and hearts can give them a chameleon-like persona. Others are not always sure who they’ll meet from one day to the next with a Pisces rising person. Although often quiet and shy, another day may find them talkative and passionate. They are hugely impressionable, have a dreamy disposition, and project a soft-hearted personality. Pisces rising sees the world the way they want to see it at any given time, so objectivity is not necessarily a strong point. Neither is decision-making!
People with Pisces rising resist any kind of labeling–their characters are changeable, and they don’t want to be pinned down or pegged in any way. Theirs is a restless, searching nature that cannot be happy with any one way of living or being. Pisces rising avoids cold, hard facts and harsh realities like the plague. They don’t have a decisive plan for tomorrow or even today, preferring to keep things open. Since they change their minds frequently enough, and like to “feel” their way through life, too much organization or structure can be seen as very limiting.
Pisces rising people walk around with their heads in the clouds, and even when you do have their attention, their dreaminess is almost always apparent.
These people look for a stable partnership–one that is reliable. Pisces rising people gravitate to partners who keep them on their toes, and they often will pass off the little details and reality checks to their significant other. They seem to need a practical, realistic partner.
Pisces Ascendants often have a sensitivity to drugs, and sometimes are prone to allergies that come and go. Their physical constitutions seem to be less resistant than most.
Pisces rising people often possess an irresistible charm that comes on in a quiet way, with a soft aura about them. Both their appearance and mannerisms are usually quite intriguing to others.
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Post by Ava on Jun 2, 2017 12:28:13 GMT
Wow, this group!
I just love them <3
This is the first time I've wanted to put the whole cafeastrology article in bold. I saw all of that. It's really amazing, especially if you consider Pisces ASC versus Virgo ASC, how the Pisces seems so eager to branch out, loosen up and imagine or play, or exaggerate, while the Virgo ASC is clearly the opposite, keeping things much more tightly organized, factual.
I did see the Virgo-ness of some of these folks, but it's just a different energy than Virgo ASC. Deepak Chopra's Virgo moon was apparent, but he was putting that through in a Pisces away: the willingness to use metaphor and tie disparate concepts together, the way he argued peacefully and even smiling midway though.
It's amazing how often drinking/drugs and escapism came up here, when I wasn't even trying & didn't know what I was getting into. Mario Lopez getting tipsy on Ellen (could anyone be more adorable, by the way?), Johnny Cash & Whitney Houston talking about their need to break away and how the inability to do so culminated in drug abuse; Redford becoming somewhat reclusive.
Shape-shifting was a theme; there was a focus on acting itself as an art form, moreso than with other ASC, it seems they are interested in the craft, costuming, getting into character, the way real life and acting overlap. Antonio Banderas wanting to play Picasso because they are from the same town; Jenna Elfman trying on wigs...and she gave us this delightful sound bite: "Life as an artist is a game of identities."
Well I definitely see my Pisces ASC son in this. He has more costumes than my other kids because he made full use of them, and sometimes when he was younger he would combine costume elements. He'd be wearing a cat mask, dinosaur feet slippers, and carrying a bow and arrow. Now that he's older (7) he makes paper costumes for his sticky bots and talks with them. He's always lugging around his newest stuffed toy. So much I could say about him because he is such a character.
It seems Pisces ASC people smile more than usual, or they smile at odd times, which gives me a sense that they know how to be fully present...as if their attention drifts and then comes really strongly into focus again, to compensate. Maybe I'm imagining things but it seems they are spiritual, and their joy doesn't seem to exactly match what's going on in the interview; it's as if it just comes from somewhere beyond. (And that matches the conversation Oprah and Whitney had about her voice being a gift from God...something from out of this world.) Also I noticed that relationships are a major theme here, and there is an emphasis on social dynamics, bringing up other people even when it's not expected or necessary. I notice that because it's similar to my Pisces moon, a bit of a codependent streak, where we need someone else to anchor us, or we need someone to serve like a mirror, as if we're not even real without that. So maybe that's another meaning of the two fishes.
Some of these folks talk about being rude or violent at times.....the full spectrum of emotion and behavior....it seems nothing is really closed off to them. They are a little bit of everything. No wonder they seem relaxed...knowing how changeable they are, they just seem ready to move from one state of being into another.
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Post by the89freespirit on Jun 3, 2017 1:07:22 GMT
It makes sense that you would feel such an affinity and understanding to Pisces Risings since your Moon is in Pisces, Ava . I have always said that it is a mistake to assume that Pisces people will be so obviously gentle and shy and sensitive. And I used to think that somewhat about the Pisces Ascendants. But, now I am seeing things quite differently in that there is a clear sensitivity and shyness there. It's just that they're not entirely direct about it until you do or say something to throw them off-balance. You can see that in Oprah telling Whitney about how people thought she was throwing away her gift and in how she reacted (that entire interview does show just how sensitive and vulnerable she was but she also had the Moon in the 1st and trine her Midheaven, as well as Neptune trine her Asc) or Mario being so unable to answer Ellen's last question. Also, it seems like the more they speak about personal things, the more that sensitivity comes out, like with Johnny saying how he wanted to run away. Even in a more seemingly aggressive individual like Jenna, it's evident to me how much her heart melted when speaking of her kids. It's almost as if discussing these personal issues or topics brings them back into their own feelings, whereas they spend most of the time wrapped up in others' feelings or in fantasies (including fantasy versions of themselves). But, you could virtually hear in many of the interviews the moment where the stained-glass of their illusion shatters or they "wake up" from their daydream. Then, they have to discuss reality and they can no longer escape how they feel. Even when they try to joke it off, they're not entirely convincing. Gwyneth sounded genuinely hurt discussing that story about her kids not wanting to walk with her, even though she was trying to laugh about it. As elusive as they are, there are distinct moments where you can see right through them and glimpse that fragility or sadness. My heartstrings were really pulled a few times, particularly during Whitney and Johnny's interviews. I find the ones who aren't as openly sensitive just as fascinating because if you look closely, it's so obvious how much they want to hide that. I can definitely see that in my best friend's behavior. He has an Aries Mars in the 1st, so it can give him a bit of a fiery edge, at times. But, mainly, he spends a lot of time almost acting out this version of himself - really funny, upbeat, blunt, carefree, etc. - that you can begin to tell is a performance. Not in a fake way but as if he were an actor just giving a really good performance that he believes himself. And you can get swept up in it until you stop and realize that he's just acting. He also has his moments where you say the wrong thing and he becomes crestfallen and sincerely hurt. And he actually can be more receptive and sensitive than you'd initially think when he realizes that something is wrong with you or when you have something that you need to talk about. He has a Virgo Moon but he is very understanding and nonjudgmental in those moments. But, otherwise, there is a lot of "hiding", like Scorpio but in a chameleon way where you can easily miss what they're doing (while, with Scorpio, it is quite clear that they're trying to hide). He is also shy and it seems like this would be a pretty blanket trait with Pisces Risings because the Rising is how you put yourself out there and Pisces is so eager to fade away. So, in many respects, the more seemingly outgoing ones "fade away" by not coming off as shy as they really are and, therefore, still not actually putting themselves out there. I think because their energy is so over-flowing and easygoing, often to the point of having zero boundaries (another Pisces concept), that they can come off as very outgoing, which is how my best friend can seem, as well. It might even seem like they're your long lost friend or that you've known them for several years already. So many of these people seem so personable. But, I feel like there is a point where they realize they're in over their head and have sent out the wrong signal, making themselves seem more available than they really are. Then, it overwhelms them. For that reason, it makes a lot of sense that the majority of Pisces Risings have the Sagittarius MC. I think, on a public scale, they can bite off far more than they can chew and then just want to run away and hide (which was a running theme in quite a few of these interviews and in a way that seemed more deeply affected than another celebrity saying that). It also makes sense that they can use substances to deal with it. Alyssa Sharpe, who also has this Rising, once said in a video that she used to use drinking and partying to get over her shyness. I don't think it necessarily leads to addiction, a la the famous Pisces stereotype. But, I think it can lead to a lot of indulgence but then a lot of abstaining, representing the swimming in two different directions. Pisces can easily go to extremes, in its own way. And I do notice the thing about always smiling and at random times. My best friend will do that but in terms of laughing, too. I don't think it's necessarily because they are fully present. I think it's because they are trying so hard to be present because they know they're usually not. So, smiling and laughing are ways to sort of re-connect with people or signal to them that they're still "there", instead of being completely spaced out and not paying attention. But, it often just reveals them to be even spacier because you're just like "what's so funny?" or "why are you smiling?"
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Post by Ava on Jun 3, 2017 15:24:53 GMT
WOW So many brilliant observations there, I don't even know where to begin! That is just a gold mine of extremely on-point observations. What a grand finale! Thank you, the89freespirit ! "Gwyneth sounded genuinely hurt discussing that story about her kids not wanting to walk with her, even though she was trying to laugh about it. As elusive as they are, there are distinct moments where you can see right through them and glimpse that fragility or sadness. My heartstrings were really pulled a few times, particularly during Whitney and Johnny's interviews." Same here! I didn't even know that Paltrow was a Pisces ASC when I first saw the video below. I still can't watch it without tearing up, I'm sniffling now and trying to recover from this: Ha, the music makes it worse, though. --- I was telling a friend of mine that I think the Pisces ASC acts the way I would act, if I actually displayed my feelings. I relate so strongly to them, it's uncanny. More to say later
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