9th Harmonic transits

[Ava]

First date with my husband:



Jupiter-Uranus exactly conjunct @ 19 Sag, opp moon @ 19 Gemini. Saturn conjunct my 9th harmonic NN @ 0° Cap. 

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Fallout with my ex, sorry to mention this over and over, I just have the date set in my databank & it was big at the time:



NN-Neptune right on his sun, Saturn right on my 22° Taurus 9th harmonic sun.  

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Anyway.....maybe there is something to this?

Thoughts? Charts?  

[Ava]

My parents...

8 Taurus, father's 9th h. sun
6 Scorpio, mother's 9th h. sun
7 Taurus, transiting 9th h. sun on wedding day

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My husband and I have a new moon in 9th h. for our wedding, conjunct the transiting tropical sun at the end of Pisces. This squares my 9th h. NN and his 9th Neptune on my 9th h. SN. 

[lumina]

New moon in Wedding day Seems perfekt esp. Since the 9th harmonic IS the marriage harmonic, though i think IT extended beyond that.

Jupiter-uranus-moon for your 1st Date Sounds awesome. Esp. With IT being such a whirlwind of a romance.

[lumina]

The Fall Out Chart has pluto-saturn-uranus. Ouch in the grounded of a grand square of moon-sun-venus-mars. Could of course also have Been a night of grand passion. But the emotions we're Very high and volatile, one Spark and there would BE an Explosion.

Did any of those conjunct your 9th harmonic (NOT your Birth Charts Placements) within 9 degrees?

[lumina]

My Parents Wedding Chart did Not have a sun moon aspects But a conjunction of Juno and ceres to the NN with the NN Bein in the midpoint of Juno and ceres.


Also interestingly an exact conjunction of sun and chiron opposing Mercury. IT makes Sense though AS their marriage also Always dealt with caring for Others. I mean Like people with down Syndrom, Foster children, caring for basically dying Parents etc. Venus was in a Bit wider conjunction to sun and chiron But still within ORB.

[lumina]

My Brothers Wedding Chart has some partile conjunction

Moon-jupiter
Mars-Saturn
Mercury-chiron


Also avsorto of Mine Triangel. The orbs are to wide however sun as the apex IS in the Venus-neptune MP.

Well they have Not Been married for Long, so weit will See how that IS going to Work.


Ceres and Uranus in desc IS interesting, too. I Wonder If they might have a surprise second children. Since IT squared mercury-chiron there might be serious talking involved.

Mars Saturn IS unafflicted btw.

[Ava]

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[Ava]

Mar 29, 2018 9:57:46 GMT lumina said:

Ceres and Uranus in desc IS interesting, too. I Wonder If they might have a surprise second children. Since IT squared mercury-chiron there might be serious talking involved.

Hmm, astro.com doesn't show me a DSC. Should I just assume the point opposite ASC is DSC? Sorry if that's a dumb question but these angles just don't look normal. Like my ASC @ 10 Gem would give a 10 Sag DSC....fine, except my MC is 24 Scorpio!

That's an interesting prediction, though, and I love their partile conjunctions.

Thanks for your parents' data/analysis, too.

[Ava]

Upcoming 9th h. transit

Mystic Rectangle framing double yods:



This hits my 9th h. chart pretty strongly:

- Sun-Neptune on my Mercury
- Moon-Venus on my ASC
- Mars on my sun
- Uranus on my moon
- Jupiter on my Pluto

[Ava]

Oh wow, what a coincidence....just randomly decided to look at my sister's 9th harmonic chart:



See that? Almost the exact same pattern as the chart above. 

Her birth time unknown...but I see, her 9th h. Saturn conjunct natal sun-moon-Mercury.

[lumina]

Ava

"He had something he was excited about (new romance), and I was also excited (to exit his life and have nothing to do with it; to start again.)"

Yes. 
Well pretty Uranian to make a hasty decision. Sometimes the liberation seems intoxicating at first and later you regret the premature action.





"- My Taurus sun conjunct tr Saturn-Pluto

 My Taurus Venus conjunct tr Saturn

- My Scorpio MC (rectified) conjunct tr Uranus
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Makes sense to me that you were "hit" by the difficult configuration of that day, especially the involvement of Venus and of course your identity-markers.





"- His Leo NN conjunct tr sun

- His Sag Mercury conjunct tr Jupiter and Uranus

- His Cap Venus conjunct tr Aqua moon
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Hmm, to him this seemed to have been more exhilarating, at least felt like that at that time, exciting, liberating and like it was "meant to be", of course just at the time. 
But it seems you were hit harder by the transits. 


"Hard to draw any conclusions, especially with the wide orbs."
As long as we compare 9th to 9th 9 degrees for a conjunction is not a wide degree; it means that those planets are in 9th harmonic aspect in the natal chart within 1 degree at most.
Of course for other aspects the orbs need to reduced considerably, that is only true for the conjunction.




"I keep it basic and match from 9th to 9th conjunctions, but also can't help noticing 9th to natal conjunctions"
Yes. It might be a symbolic match, but is different from harmonic astrology. However if you compare 9th to natal the rules of orbs (9 degrees) do NOT apply, as those are not relating to any kind of 9th harmonic aspects in your natal chart, as the 9th harmonic chart itself does. 
It`s actually comparing apples with oranges, but in Vedic astrology this is done, treating both charts as symbolic charts, so it just depends on what perspective you take. 





". Do trines even count? "
Within the 9th harmonic chart comparision? Yes, if they are pretty close in orb (2-3 degrees).
A trine in the 9th harmonic chart is a 27th harmonic aspect in your natal chart, whatever that means. lol 
But of course the 9th harmonic is a trine-chart-on-steroids itself (3 times a trine), so I suppose trines might be particularly smooth and flowing, though in a very subtle way. 

As I said the trine in a 9th harmonic chart is really another way of saying the planets are in 27th harmonic aspect in natal chart, and according to Cochrane the 27th harmonic is about this:
"The 27th harmonic indicates a deep need for peace and
 comfort. A strong pacifist tedency and an unwillingness to be

involved in hostilities. A tendency to become ill or distraught
 from being in an inharmonious atmosphere (Cochrane)."

www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

So to me that means synastrically it might highlight a lot of comfort with each other, probably in an unspoken way. 


"Like his 9th Cap Venus-Mars and possibly moon all trine my 9th Taurus sun-Venus."
This sounds absolutely lovely. 

[lumina]

Mar 30, 2018 0:58:25 GMT Ava said:

Mar 29, 2018 9:57:46 GMT lumina said:

Hmm, astro.com doesn't show me a DSC. Should I just assume the point opposite ASC is DSC? 

Yes, DESC is always opposite ASC; IC opposite MC, and SN opposite NN. 

MC and ASC can even coincide in these charts, that has to do with the calculation (the chart positions multiplied by 9); the harmonic chart actually is not a real chart in the sense of a natal chart as we know it, but a magnifying glass to see certain aspects more clearly (minor aspects). So it really is just about the aspects, strictly speaking. 

Non-strictly speaking the signbackground might still be a symbolic factor. However there cannot be houses drawn from this kind of chart unless you use equal or whole sign houses. 

[lumina]

Also if the birthtime is unknown, it might be a tad difficult to do the 9th harmonic chart, as 1 degree difference can make 9 degrees difference in the 9th harmonic chart over the day.

[lumina]

BTW last friday 9th harmonic Uranus on 3 Sag was conjunct his 9th Sun on 2 Sag and my 9th Juno and Saturn on 2 Sag and my 9th DESC on 3 Sag.

Also, the stellium of Tr Mars-ASC (Jupiter) fell onto his 9th Uranus on 00 Aqua.

[Ava]

Mar 30, 2018 9:37:15 GMT lumina said:

BTW last friday 9th harmonic Uranus on 3 Sag was conjunct his 9th Sun on 2 Sag and my 9th Juno and Saturn on 2 Sag and my 9th DESC on 3 Sag.

Also, the stellium of Tr Mars-ASC (Jupiter) fell onto his 9th Uranus on 00 Aqua.

That is so exciting! How strange, you have DSC-Saturn in the 9th and he has it natally. 

His 9th sun is right on your 9th DSC?! You people always floor me.

I like the Mars-Uranus, too. Sparks flying. Moderate sparks, not too much or too little.

[lumina]

Mar 30, 2018 23:35:33 GMT Ava said:

Mar 30, 2018 9:37:15 GMT lumina said:

BTW last friday 9th harmonic Uranus on 3 Sag was conjunct his 9th Sun on 2 Sag and my 9th Juno and Saturn on 2 Sag and my 9th DESC on 3 Sag.

Also, the stellium of Tr Mars-ASC (Jupiter) fell onto his 9th Uranus on 00 Aqua.

That is so exciting! How strange, you have DSC-Saturn in the 9th and he has it natally. 

His 9th sun is right on your 9th DSC?! You people always floor me.

I like the Mars-Uranus, too. Sparks flying. Moderate sparks, not too much or too little.

Yeah, maybe so, but what does it help if he is being a bloody idiot?

I am not being entirely fair here, but I don`t want to be fair. I want to pout. And Sags do not do pouting quietly.  
lol just kidding - semi kidding at least. 

[lumina]

Ava

since I do not know Lancelot`s exact birthtime, I checked how far the difference of the planets can get in the 9th harmonic chart, and partially it is pretty wide (though of course we allow an orb of 9 degrees for conjunctions, too - but I guess in most cases that means that we can only check conjunctions if the birthtime is unknown, as a trine for example might be compeltely out of orb, depending on the specific birthtime) 

So his "range" in 9th harmonic chart on his birthday is this: (leaving out Moon and angles of course)

Sun: 16-25 Virgo
Mercury: 22 - 24 Aqua (meaning he must have a very slow Mercury)
Venus: 26 Libra - 7 Scorpio
Mars: 13-20 Aries
Jupiter: 23 - 24 Pisces
Saturn: 10 Pisces 
Uranus: 1 Cap
Neptune: 3 Libra
Pluto: 10 Pisces
NN: 5 Gemini
Chiron: 12 Pisces
Ceres: 13-16 Sag
Pallas: 18 - 20 Aries
Juno: 7-12 Cancer
Vesta: 00 - 05 Pisces

The outers are just occupying the same degree also cause they are retrograde and near stationing in his chart I suppose. 

Seems he has Mars-Pallas, Saturn-Pluto-Chiron, possibly Uranus-Juno, in his 9th harmonic chart. 

Synastrically we have that in the 9th harmonic chart

if he was born later in the day, his Sun conjunct my Ceres (26 Virgo) and Chiron (00 Libra)

his Mercury definitely conjunct my Venus on 25 Aquarius and possibly also my Moon on 3 Pisces, at least if he was born later the day (and he once remarked his birth having disrupted his parent`s "dinner" ). 


if he was born really late, his Venus might be widely conjunct my Mercury-MC on 14-15 Scorpio


his Jupiter certainly opposite my Ceres and exactly trine my Sun on 23 Scorpio

his Saturn-Pluto-Chiron conjunct my Moon (widish, but within orb) 

his Uranus conjunct my SN on 1 Cap exact
his Uranus opposite my Neptune on 29 Gemini as well 

his Neptune conjunct my Chiron on 00 LIbra, and with a tadmore orb my Jupiter on 10 LIbra and Ceres on 26 Virgo, also exact trine my ASC


his NN conjunct my ASC - 2 degree orb in a 9th harmonic chart is REALLY close. 
his SN conjunct my Juno-Saturn with 3 degree orb (in the basic chart that is because my Juno falls onto his SN and my Saturn trines it almost precise)


his Ceres possibly conjunct my Pluto-Pallas on 21-22 Sag, esp. if he was born later that day - do you see a certain pattern emerge here, too? in terms of a possible birthtime? LOL 


his Pallas - Amor conjunct my Amor on 19 Aries - pretty close orbs here

his Vesta conjuncts my Moon-Venus, though more inclined to Moon than Venus

his Juno conjuncts my NN earlier that day for once (reason for it being that his natal Juno is on 9 Aries trine my natal NN exact) 

if later born the day, these aspects are closer

his Juno conjunct my Uranus on 12 Cancer and my Antivertex on 13 Cancer
his Juno opposite my Vesta on 12 Cap 


if later born the day, his Mars is also conjunct my Amor and trine my Pluto-Pallas

[lumina]

Ava

I just want to share the 9th harmonic transits (only conjunctions) of yesterday, with you. I also use Moon, ASC and MC, as I am going to be talking about the very moment where I "lost my nerve" a bit. So it was a very specific moment in time. 

First of all the 9th harmonic transit chart itself showed a Kite-formation of: 

Sun-Mercury 17 Cancer
Pluto 10 Cancer 

Neptune 14 Scorpio 

Mars 15 Pisces

Venus 16 Capricorn 
Pholus 12 Cap
Amor 11 Cap


The Sun-Mercury-Pluto is certainly in orb (being under 1 degree in the basic natal chart of yesterday, though the Sun-Pluto was closer and actually exact on saturday) 


Venus had been perfectly opposite Pluto somewhen on saturday, and by yesterday evening had applied to oppose Sun-Mercury. 

The Venus-Mars-Neptune certainly was also in orb, even though not conjunct in 9th harmonic, but the orb was so close (1 degree) that it certainly "counted". 

Even though not part of the minor triangle part of the Kite Jupiter was certainly conjunct Venus (5 degrees, so half a degree in natal chart) while Saturn was conjunct Mars (5 degrees as well), but out of orb for the triangle as well, though Jupiter was opposing Sun-MErcury, and Saturn was sextile Jupiter and trine Sun-Mercury. 

It is interestingly how Venus was conjunct Jupiter, and Mars conjunct SAturn - also since that seems to reiterate something that occurs in our natal synastry as my Jupiter is conjunct his Venus natally, and his Saturn squares my Mars, but also trines my Venus - actually we have a DW of VEnus-Saturn-trine, that was sort of activated yesterday, and well the transiting Mars-Saturn-conjunction is conjunct my Venus and trine his Saturn, 

Anyway other aspects, outside the Kite formation, in the 9th harmonic transit chart yesterday were: 

- Mars conjunct Saturn conjunct Chiron: 15, 20, 22 Pisces
- Moon separating from a conjunction to Ceres (27 Taurus - 18 Taurus: it must have been closer some time before)
- Karma conjunct ASC - 15 - 17 Leo
- Juno conjunct Uranus: 5 and 7 Sagittarius 
- Amor conjunct Pholus conjunct Venus: 11, 12, 16 Capricorn

[lumina]

As for the direct 9th harmonic transits that day:

Tr Sun-Mercury conjunct my Uranus-Avx
Tr Moon conjunct my ASC (and opposite my Sun) - which is interesting as for him Tr Moon had been opposing his Sun the day before, in natal chart; the same actually happened when we met last year, Tr Moon being either opposite or conjunct his Sun

Tr Venus conjunct my VErtex-Vesta

Tr Mars was out of orb, but had been on my Moon the day before

Tr Uranus-Juno conjunct my Saturn-Juno-DESC (actually in the night to yesterday I was having my Juno-return)

Tr Neptune conjunct my Mercury-MC virtually exact

Tr Pluto conjunct my Uranus-Avx

Tr Pholus-Amor conjunct my Vertex-Vesta virtually exact, too, opposing my Uranus exact


Tr Ceres conjunct my IC-Mars

Tr DESC conjunct my Venus (and Tr Karma was conjunct Tr ASC, and I have Venus conjunct Karma in my 9th harmonic chart, I found that interesting, considering we share a 1 degree Karma-Karma-conjunction as a basis for a grand trine with my Moon and his Pluto natally)



For him the transits were like this:

Tr IC conjunct his Venus (would have been in orb no matter when he was born the day, though was pretty exact if he was born later that day)

Tr Mars-Saturn-Chiron conjunct his Jupiter, especially that Chiron

Tr Mars conjunct his Saturn-Pluto-Chiron (separating) 

Tr Vesta conjunct his Uranus

Tr Moon conjunct his NN (applying)
Tr URanus-Juno conjunct his SN (Tr JUno on his SN absolutely exact - and again reiterating the natal synastry of my Juno on his SN I think)


(Tr Eros) and Tr Pluto-Sun-Mercury conjunct his Juno (esp. Tr Pluto on Juno)
Tr Pholus-Amor and possibly Tr Venus oppospite his Juno 

[lumina]

BTW for the last time I met P, there were some 9th harmonic transits, too:

Tr Mercury conjunct my Pholus and his Saturn exact

Tr Venus conjunct my Jupiter (1) and opposite his Mars (0) and Pluto (3)

Tr Mars-ASC-Jupiter-SN conjunct his Pholus-Vesta-Uranus; the conjunction to Uranus being the tightest

Tr Saturn-Chiron conjunct his Avx (1)

Tr Uranus conjunct my DESC (0), my Saturn (0), my Juno (0) and his Sun (0)
Tr Vesta conjunct my DESC, my Saturn, my Juno and his Sun, too, but with a 4-5 degree orb, which still relates to an under 1 degree orb in natal. lol

Tr Neptune conjunct my Mercury-MC

Tr Pluto conjunct my Uranus-Avx, opposing my Vesta, conjunct his SN 

Tr Vertex conjunct his DESC-Venus-Saturn and my Pholus, albeit the Saturn-PHolus being almost at the outer range of orb

Tr AVX conjunct my Venus and his ASC - just one of those moments. lol 

Tr Ceres conjunct my Mars-IC, opposite my Mercury, 

Tr Pholus conjunct my Vesta-Vertex and opposing my Uranus, conjunct his NN - all within 1 degree orb in the 9th harmonic at most