Asteroid astrology: why does it work?

[Ava]

I don't know. Do you know?

I liked the way this astrologer laid out her argument:

exceptionalpurpose.com/astrology-asteroids/#list

Rather than bookmarking the page, when I have too many bookmarks, I'm just leaving this here. And some of you might like that article (though it doubles as a sales pitch.) 

“Asteroids can provide a richer understanding of mind to empower the astrologer further through this fascinating system, a bio-science of resonant frequencies” — Kerrie Redgate

"Bio-science of resonant frequencies!"

Awesome  

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I cant speak for all asteroids but Karma,chiron,child, eros and psyche seem to have been prominent. I followed Karma alot and have some obervations.

to be continued....

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[Ava]

Thanks for answering vg .

That's another question I have: why does it seem that certain asteroids are more powerful than others? Is it just because of their size? Or perhaps their discovery charts carry some clues?

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Some quotes about astrology...

[Ava]

When I was a college student, reading a lot and smoking a lot of pot, I once wrote a poem that has this line:

"I can feel the conductors rusting in my hairnet of stars."

I wrote a lot of crazy poetry but I've always liked that line....I guess I was talking about feeling disconnected from a sentient universe. I was playing as if my brain were attached to the celestial sphere ("hairnet") by strands ("conductors"). I didn't even know real astrology back then.

But anyway, there's room for tons of asteroids in that metaphor. If we are each the universe as Tarnas invites us to consider, then it's all part of us, and why shouldn't all these components come together in a coherent way? There IS order in the universe, isn't there? So it seems that within that exalted, largely undetected order, we have asteroids spelling things out in very literal ways.

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There are just so many asteroids that I wouldn't even begin to understand how to figure out which one has a big effect on my chart. I don't know what's considered a good list to start off with. When people post their charts, some of them add asteroids that I don't even know the meanings of and then my head spins and the chart begins to look so confusing for me that I give up.

I've never put much emphasis on asteroids tbh, but maybe there is something to them... and what orbs are given for asteroids? 2 orbs? 3 maximum?

[Ava]

Hello @sopranosoul

I forget what got me started on asteroids. Possibly it was the fact that my progressed Juno was conjunct my husband's sun, exact to the minute, on our wedding day. Juno is associated with marriage.

Bit by bit I started playing around with them, learning one at a time, forgetting most of what I've learned, re-learning later. With several of them I just have a basic phrase or two in mind, like:

Pholus: butterfly effect
Pallas: pattern recognition, higher knowing
Kaali: electric, badass shock power
Hekate: witchcraft
Ceres: care and feeding, nurture
Vesta: strength in devotion
Urania: interest in astrology

Some might argue with my simplification, but I know I'm close to the standard accepted meaning.

Name asteroids are particularly interesting and often present themselves in straightforward ways.

I look them up here:
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi

Many of these asteroids I'm just playing around with, it's a loose mental orientation where it's all for fun until something seriously resonant pops up.

I think most astrologers try to stay under 2° for major aspects, and under 1° for minor aspects.

All in good fun

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Ava

Hmmm, interesting!

I just looked up those asteroids and put them in my chart, this is what it looks like



WELL! I have hekate conjunct my ascendant, square my Uranus almost exact and square my Chiron exact. It also hits all my angles! 

Urania conjunct my moon but out of sign, and Ceres square both my moon and Urania. Urania also opposes Neptune.

Pallas sextiles Pluto.

Pholus trines Hekate.

Interestingly enough Kaali makes a grand trine with Vesta and Uranus.

Kaali also squares Pholus

[Ava]

Your chart's extraordinary, all those planets right on the angles!

Hekate conjunct ASC I'm sure this is a very good thing.

We can look up many asteroids here:

markandrewholmes.com/asteroid.html

But he doesn't have Hekate, oddly enough. So here's Jewel Mayberry:

"Asteroid Hekate #100 is a Goddess of the Moon and very special influence in the birth chart. Hekate is where we go for answers and seek direction when we are lost. This is an ancient Goddess that has morphed in myth over time. In Wicca, Hekate is the archetypal maiden, woman and crone in one. The Goddess of magic. The Goddess of knowing. The Goddess of birth, mating and death. She is deeply female. Known for ushering those who died and entered into the underworld, Hekate was the one who lit the way in the dark with her lantern and dared to go where no one else would. She was both in the know and brave as Heck- ate ( I am seriously sorry, I could NOT help it! This woman knew what others did not and it was revealed in the dark of Hades, the equivalent of the unconscious. Hekate stood at the crossroads of the living and the dead."

More at site: www.truthinaspectastrology.com/asteroid-hekate-100/

Can you relate to being seen as a Hekate type of person? I can see you like that. Well I like your book recommendations, they light a way in the dark.

Pholus trine Hekate, possibly good for luck, or quick reflexes when reacting to sudden changes.

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I like Urania conjunct your moon, I find Urania prominent in many astrologers' charts. I have it exactly conjunct Saturn.

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Your Mercury is novile (40°) Pallas, that's fortunate...

"Pallas Aspecting Mercury: The harmonious aspects (conjunction, sextile, or trine) are excellent for solving problems and communicating the solutions so that they will be accepted. This is an excellent position for anyone who has to work with words for a living (I have the sextile myself). The stressful aspects could indicate difficulties in communicating the results of your problem solving and pattern recognition. The house and sign positions will indicate the areas where this would be the biggest problem. "

He doesn't mention the novile, but it's a "mini trine," so it counts as harmonious.

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Kaali-Uranus-Vesta, holy smokes...not sure how to interpret that. I think it represents a potential for spiritual power. Consciously developed and directed it could elevate situations, according to your more inspired energy, and the way you consistently apply it (Vesta). It's interesting that you're seeing this triangle perhaps for the first time with transiting Sag Mercury @ 16°, converting that into a kind of mentally-actualized kite formation. I'd also be curious about how it works out for you when other planets transit the mid-degrees of fire signs.

My Mars and Jupiter are at 16° Gem and Aries, so it's just funny that I'm the one talking about this with you.

I'm really inexperienced with asteroids compared to other people like lumina, but I guess all it really takes is some interest, research, and thinking about how it all comes together and matches your life and goals.

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Thanks m'lady!

That's very insightful!

Dec 30, 2017 23:13:44 GMT Ava said:

Can you relate to being seen as a Hekate type of person? I can see you like that. Well I like your book recommendations, they light a way in the dark.

I would like to think that I am a Hekate type of person, even though that description sounds far too good. I try to see the light in darkness, but I haven't always been like that, and sometimes it isn't easy (though I am getting better at it gradually). The Biology of Belief, if that's one of the books you're talking about, can be considered as one such book that paves the light though, true! There's still quite a bit more work to do before I truly become a Hekate type.

Dec 30, 2017 23:13:44 GMT Ava said:

Your Mercury is novile (40°) Pallas, that's fortunate...

"Pallas Aspecting Mercury: The harmonious aspects (conjunction, sextile, or trine) are excellent for solving problems and communicating the solutions so that they will be accepted. This is an excellent position for anyone who has to work with words for a living (I have the sextile myself). The stressful aspects could indicate difficulties in communicating the results of your problem solving and pattern recognition. The house and sign positions will indicate the areas where this would be the biggest problem. "

He doesn't mention the novile, but it's a "mini trine," so it counts as harmonious.

I didn't know about 40º being a special degree, but reading about it it's included in the 9-point star, so that makes sense. I'm better at writing down words than talking on the spot imo.

Dec 30, 2017 23:13:44 GMT Ava said:

Kaali-Uranus-Vesta, holy smokes...not sure how to interpret that. I think it represents a potential for spiritual power. Consciously developed and directed it could elevate situations, according to your more inspired energy, and the way you consistently apply it (Vesta). It's interesting that you're seeing this triangle perhaps for the first time with transiting Sag Mercury @ 16°, converting that into a kind of mentally-actualized kite formation. I'd also be curious about how it works out for you when other planets transit the mid-degrees of fire signs.

My Mars and Jupiter are at 16° Gem and Aries, so it's just funny that I'm the one talking about this with you.

 that is some coincidence, re: the 16ºC Merc in Sag as well as your Mars and Jupie! It's as if there are some things that we're meant to be told, and not just by anyone, but on top of that by certain people.

Thanks for the link too. I'll look up some asteroids and see which ones may resonate with me most.

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Sorry I am taking so long with my responses lately. I hope what i write is helpful and I hope readable. I have a habit of waffling(I am sorry)... I will focus on the asteroids. 

Karma is exactly on my chart-ruler, Venus. It's seems to have played a role, any thing hitting my karma will also hit my venus, but I have noticed transits of Karma having some impacts. Karma is in my 10th House

Natally Chiron is retro in gemini in my 8th

Natally My Psyche is on my anti-vertex in my 2nd house (any thing on my anti vertex makes a square to my natal Karma and Venus). My Eros is in my 10th conjunct my MC.

Natally my Juno is retro in Taurus in my 7th and is at the apex of a YOD involving my sun and Jupiter/Uranus. Juno is opposing Saturn. 

The is one relationship in Particular I have had where Karma is important. This is a relationship that I learned alot about myself, although saturn and pluto also played their roles here too....

I was with a man, T, for a relatively short amount of time(3 mths) in an actual relationship, but there was alot of push- pull going on for the best part of 2 years:

He is 3 years older than me and our Dr Karmas are conjunct to the degree and opposing my natal Jupiter/Uranus. His Natal Karma is on my ascendant.

First time we met
When we met first met was on my birthday through a colleague.  Tr Karma was going over his N Karma(and my ascendant). 
Transit Psyche was on my anti vertex(squaring my natal Karma/Venus) and conjunct my natal Psyche to the degree.   
Juno was about a degree away from my IC(in aqua). My Dr Juno is on his South Node and conjuncts his moon(in aqua).
North node was conjuncting my progressed Saturn. 
Eros was on his natal Destinn. 
 
When we started dating: 
Tr Karma(retro) was exact on my SN
Tr North Node was on my ascendant(and his N karma)
Tr Destinn was on my Eros
Tr Juno was on my Chiron
Tr Chiron had not long entered my 5th house 

The Day we broke up:
Tr Karma was on my SN
Tr Psyche was on my IC
Tr Juno was on my PoF(9th house) 
Destinn was on my Mercury(conj my Dr Jupiter/Uranus) and squaring my nodes exact

I dont want to go into the details of our breakup, it was painful and had an effect on me for quite sometime.

 We had a more than friends - less than bf/gf relationship after that for maybe the next 1.5 years, we weren't a couple, there was so much push pull, it was like we couldnt completely separate. During that time took me as a guest to a wedding and I met family members. It was weird(nothing physical but I cant really explain it). He then moved to another city but we kept in touch through work(we were in the same company). I went to visit him and I realised my feelings were turning into more of a friendship. I think for him too, i think he had been on dates with other women.
The transits on this particular trip: 
Tr Karma was on my natal Juno
Tr Psyche was on my pr NN
Tr Juno was squaring his nodes
Tr Atropos was on my 6th house cusp, leaving my 5th. 
Tr Destinn, Eros and Pluto where on our composite SN. 
I knew after that trip it was reaching the end of that story(as in feelings of romance).  


A few months later I moved countries and I met someone else. I agreed to a date(we were then on off for a few months and we dont talk any more). When I met this man Tr Juno was on my Sun(and activating my YOD) His progressed Juno was also on my Sun.   Tr Karma was on mine and T's composite NN. It was kind of like closing the book on that story. T is one of my best friends now. I learned alot about myself through that whole Saga, although it was v painful it was transformative for me.



The man I am currently with, our prg composite juno is on my natal juno. My prog juno is on his natal juno. Hope this helps I think considering there is a huge asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars, we would probably feel their energies(also if all the asteroids were combined I guess they would make a sizeable planet)

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[Ava]

That is such an intricate and fascinating study, vg ! The Karma-node contacts in transit are especially interesting to me, thanks for noticing and pointing that out. And best wishes with your relationship. It's nice to see Juno standing out as a relationship begins..almost like a good luck charm.

You've inspired me to take a more serious look at the asteroid Karma. I'm constantly returning to the end of my relationship with one ex, not that it matters so much anymore, but it was like the earth was cracking in half at the time (I have Sag Venus...dramatic .) Turns out his progressed Karma was exactly conjunct his pr Venus at the time, squaring my progressed sun.

Our composite Karma @ 23° Libra is exactly conjunct my Sun/Saturn midpoint. Hmm

Transiting Karma was exactly on my progressed DSC-NN (17-18° Scorpio). That's interesting because those degrees are prominent in my composite with my husband. Almost like, I had to leave this ex because Karma was putting me somewhere else. (My composite Karma with my husband @ 13° Cap is widely conjunct my sun.)

Anyway, my own natal and progressed Karma (17° and 20° Libra, respectively) weren't spotlighted with that breakup, not that I can see. Maybe I didn't accrue any bad karma then because I did the right thing by walking away. His natal Karma squares my Saturn exactly, so...that's pretty heavy.

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@sopranosoul

I feel the same way about Hekate, it's exactly on my Scorpio Uranus and I keep thinking, "Well that looks like a mandate. I should be doing something spooky. First I need to learn how."

"It's as if there are some things that we're meant to be told, and not just by anyone, but on top of that by certain people. "

That's exactly how I look at it, too!

Well it's funny, lately I've been getting into the work of a Scorpio astrologer, Maurice Fernandez. Then I realized transiting Mars-Jupiter is conjunct his sun, so how nice that I stumbled into him now. It all feels so resonant.

If you're curious about other asteroid placements but don't care to look them up one by one, serennu.com has an Astrological Ephemeris that generates a long list of asteroid placements for any date you select.

[lumina]

vg and Ava

interesting about KARMA: I`ve suspected it to be strong, but am amazed nevertheless.

The day of P`s and my 2nd First-meeting (well, I do not quite know how to call it honestly, but it was that one tiny step I did, attempting to bring the very weird (non)-connection onto a normal level - I just wanted to normalize it, before leaving it behind, but I suppose I had not been including HIM into my calculations lol)


Anyway that day there was

Tr Saturn 16 Scorpio
Tr Karma 17 Scorpio

Tr Venus 16 Capricorn

unbenknownst to me of course, and that Tr Saturn-Karma-conjunction fell exactly onto our composite MC, and the Tr Venus was conjunct composite Venus exact.


Incidentally it also made a transiting Kite with my natal Juno on 16°58 Pisces, my natal Saturn on 16°57 Cancer (and my LANCELOT on 16 Scorpio ).

and additionally a Yod to my own KARMA on 16°01 Gemini.


(it is beside the point but I just noticed that transiting Chiron was exactly on his natal Eros-Ceri-conjunction and opposing his Mars-Jupiter-Amor-P and squaring his Mercury; also being sextile his own Chiron.

In fact there was a transiting Yod of Tr Chiron on 9 Pisces sextile Tr Pluto on 10 Capricorn and quinkunx Moon on 11 Leo; well that Tr Chiron falling onto his natal Ceri-Eros and my natal Ceres-Jupiter; Tr Pluto falling onto my Spirit-Guinevere and his MErlin-Artus; I think I have some knight around 11 Leo, too, but have forgotten which one. lol Nevertheless that Tr Moon was falling onto your composite Karma in 7th house. lol)

[lumina]

Oh I just looked up the encounter we had one and a half year ago, that sort of changed my perspective of things a bit. (Not even I could pretend to not notice the fact he was pretty much x-raying me throughout that encoutner, even when he was theoretically talking to other people. lol)

Tr Karma 16 Gemini on my n Karma - I had a Karma-Return.lol opposing Tr Saturn on 14 Sag and making a square to the Moon/Jupiter/NN/MC-conjunction from 13-19 Virgo (the orbs are too wide, but it was exactly squaring the midpoint of this stellium, so I think it was imnportant. 



And then on the first workshop, which certainly was a bit of a game-changer, too, Tr Karma was on 15 Virgo (this is getting creepy. lol)
trine the Mercury-Pluto-conjunction that fell onto our composite Venus. 



And then on the last concert before christmas, which almost felt like a bit of a combined repetition of the time of our 2nd first meeting and the encounter where he wouldn`t leave me out of his eyes for the whole time. 

Tr Karma 18 Scorpio (just a degree off Tr Karma at our 2nd first meeting, and falling onto his natal Venus/Jupiter and Venus/Mars-mp, oppopsing my name in my chart) sextile Pluto on 18 Capricorn, separating from composite Venus and being within a degree of conjunct the midpoint of the composite Moon-Venus-conjunction.



the day when I was asking P about why he had been adding the extras into a package to me (I did order something, but not that much), and he was stuttering a bit, and then obviously not knowing how to finish the sentence, and just being stroking my arm. 

Tr Karma on 4 Virgo conjunct Tr NN on 3 Virgo conjunct his n NN on 1 Virgo. the nodal return for him would happen a month later the very evening, he had been very publicly handing me back my caketin and letting the whole world know just how enthusiastic he had been about me bringing a banana bread for the last workshop. lol Thing is he has been getting a lot more cakes and sweets, but somehow it seemed special that I did that. 

Well the conjunction was even closer at that point Tr Karma 2 Virgo, tr and n NN 1 Virgo


And actually him putting some extras and a note into that package towards me happened just a day or 2 after one night we had a short and funny chat, and that particular chat came with a transiting of (not Karma Karma was still at 6 Virgo, 

but


Tr NN 3 Virgo
Tr Moon 1 Virgo
his n NN 1 Virgo
Tr Ceri 0 Virgo






and just to speak about something else, when I was first meeting Lancelot Tr Karma was on 8 Libra, far away from any of those mid degrees. or 1 Virgo. lol Well it was conjunct my Pluto. 

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Jan 7, 2018 14:33:21 GMT Ava said:

@sopranosoul

I feel the same way about Hekate, it's exactly on my Scorpio Uranus and I keep thinking, "Well that looks like a mandate. I should be doing something spooky. First I need to learn how."

"It's as if there are some things that we're meant to be told, and not just by anyone, but on top of that by certain people. "

That's exactly how I look at it, too!

Well it's funny, lately I've been getting into the work of a Scorpio astrologer, Maurice Fernandez. Then I realized transiting Mars-Jupiter is conjunct his sun, so how nice that I stumbled into him now. It all feels so resonant.

If you're curious about other asteroid placements but don't care to look them up one by one, serennu.com, has an Astrological Ephemeris that generates a long list of asteroid placements for any date you select.

Omg, Mars and Jupiter are actually conjunct exactly by degree and minute today.

With asteroids, I tried to play around with a few (from the markandrewholmes website that you sent to me), but when there are so many to choose from it makes me give up LOL. I'm going to use the ones you suggested. Interestingly, I didn't realise that Ceres, even though it's on astrodienst's "asteroid" list, it's actually a dwarf planet, much like Pluto. I think Ceres should be added to the natal chart by default and aspected like all the other main bodies.

[Violets]

I do agree that asteroid Karma seems to have a strong impact on people, from my observations. I don't follow its transits (where do you even find that information?), but I've noticed that whenever a strong planet like Saturn makes an aspect in transit to my Karma or someone else's, "stuff happens". That has been interesting to me, in addition to the fact that my aunt and I have our Karmas conjunct by degree, which I find odd. I mean, I have very close friends who are only months older or younger than I am, and we don't have a conjunction with that asteroid. Although I do have that with our lovely lumina, which is also very curious.

I'm not always sure about other asteroids or how much importance they play in my life, unless they're conjunct something in my chart natally, or make an exact(ish) aspect to a planet in my chart.

[lumina]

Jan 15, 2018 16:06:04 GMT Violets said:

I'm not always sure about other asteroids or how much importance they play in my life, unless they're conjunct something in my chart natally, or make an exact(ish) aspect to a planet in my chart.

I am the same. I like to see conjunctions or close to exact aspects with asteroids. 

In the case of KARMA it does occupy a degree for me that has quite some resonance, as a bunch of planets and asteroids fall onto the same or similiar degrees. 


KARMA 16 Gemini

Moon 17 Aquarius

Juno 16 Pisces

(Draco Sun 16 Aries)

my name 16 Taurus

Saturn 16 Cancer

(LANCELOT 16 Scorpio)


If something strongly knocks at my KARMA, chances are that a few of the other planets are strongly activated as well. And having Karma AND Saturn on the same degree (albeit in different signs) seems to pinpoint those 15-17 degrees of any sign as particularly "karmic" or serious stuff to me. 

Maybe that is what is making me so nervous about Lancelot, like I can just sense under the surface something karmic about him, or at least exhibiting something that might feel karmic to me; unlike P, who has just a vacancy at these degrees (except for mean Lilith and natural Lilith on 18 and 19 Virgo and Neptune on 20 Sag, though these might already be too wide in orb), Lancelot has a lot going on on these degrees himself. 

For example 

(Sun 19 Aries)

KARMA 17 Gemini

(asteroid Lilith and asteroid Lust on 16 Cancer)


natural Lilith 16 Leo
mean Lilith 19 Leo

NN 17 Virgo
(Moon 17 Virgo)

Pluto 17 Libra

(uranus 20 Scorpio)

(Neptune 20 Sag)


Ceres 18 Cancer


in Particular the fact that he has some objects falling onto these degrees in signs, that are missing in my 15-17 degree collection, I found interesting. 

And of course the fact that we do complete a Grand trine with each other, docking in on the double Karma on 16-17 Gemini and then involving my Moon and his Pluto. It`s at least interesting. 

[Ava]

^ This is all so karmic cuz my Karma is @ 17° Libra.

I just realized that I got married with transiting Karma @ 17° Aries.

Transiting Karma exactly opposing my Karma on my wedding day.

That is really bizarre.





Well my husband has sun-Saturn-Karma in a grand fire trine so I guess we weren't going to be doing things by halves.

[Ava]

@sopranosoul

" I think Ceres should be added to the natal chart by default and aspected like all the other main bodies."

I agree. Eris, Haumea, and Makemake are also dwarves...though I don't pay any attention to them. The latter two aren't even options at astro.com's Additional Objects list.


Haumea - the Hawaiian goddess of childbirth
Makemake - in the Rapa Nui mythology of Easter Island, is the creator of humanity, the god of fertility and the chief god of the "Tangata manu" or bird-man cult (this cult succeeded the island's more famous Moai era). - wikipedia

I think it's interesting that these are both dealing with fertility, and they were both discovered in the year after I had my third child. I had decided I was done having children. But now there were these new fertility planets affecting me...

My natal Haumea @ 15 Virgo is exactly trine my sun.
Natal Makemake @ 20 Leo exactly squares my nodes.

So I dunno, maybe that's why I wasn't done. I'm just goofing around but it IS a little funny to me.

[anela]

...and Saturn has been opposing my natal Karma, since I've been so stressed again. Ever since it approached/entered Capricorn. My Karma is at 1*Cancer, I think.

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Ava

Oh I didn't know about Haumea and Makemake!

I just looked mine up:
Makemake is conjunct my Venus in Virgo by 1 orb at 22º50" and oppose Jupiter almost exact
Haumea is in Virgo at 0º33" (I always seem to have something in Virgo whether it's a dwarf planet or an asteroid. Even my name asteroid is in Virgo)
Eris is in Aries at 16º37"

I wonder if Makemake conjunct Venus implies good fertility?